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Post by Steersman » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:45 am

Lsuoma wrote: I don't know how many of the regulars here remember when Ol' Daydays first turned up with his disingenuousness and bad-faith attitude. He was a regular patronizing cunt back then, all holier-than-thou, and I don't see much has changed. franc is on the money here.
Did I miss out on the day's Two Minutes of Hate? ....

Franc may well have justifications for being distraught as a result of having to look after an aging parent that he had rather less than a great relationship with - "Family: The Ties That Bind ... and Gag" as Erma Bombeck put it. But it kind of looks like his venting spleen is about to blow a gasket ...

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Post by Bhurzum » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:54 am

DrokkIt wrote:
MarcusAu wrote: You could always kill him.

That or get him to think of this from his kids perspective.
You kinda can't tell some people anything, you know?
Have you explained to him that as a parent, he owes it to his kids to try everything and anything in order to beat the condition?

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Post by Ape+lust » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:55 am

Of course he had his mind changed for him. No time to think, he's working on the new book.

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Post by DrokkIt » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:59 am

free thoughtpolice wrote:
DrokkIt wrote:
MarcusAu wrote: You could always kill him.

That or get him to think of this from his kids perspective.
You kinda can't tell some people anything, you know?
A good percentage of people have invested in in false and/or irrational beliefs to the point they would rather die than change their minds.
Try walking into a church and tell the congregation to grow up and stop believing in the supernatural and instead of praying (talking to your imaginary friend) they might want to do something concrete to better their condition.
If you have ever been in the situation where a senile loved one ditches their meds for some goofy diet supplement you may come to really detest the woo peddlers.
Yup. This chap is certainly in the older age bracket (somewhere around retirement) and is very susceptible to this kind of woo woo horseshit.

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Post by Bhurzum » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:00 pm

Steersman wrote: Did I miss out on the day's Two Minutes of Hate? ....
Shut your festering gob, y'tit! Your type makes me puke, you vacuous, toffee-nosed, malodorous pervert!

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Post by Steersman » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:21 pm

Bhurzum wrote:
Steersman wrote: Did I miss out on the day's Two Minutes of Hate? ....
Shut your festering gob, y'tit! Your type makes me puke, you vacuous, toffee-nosed, malodorous pervert!
:lol: Better late than never I guess ... ;)

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Post by Steersman » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:26 pm



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Post by d4m10n » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:27 pm

Lsuoma wrote: I don't know how many of the regulars here remember when Ol' Daydays first turned up with his disingenuousness and bad-faith attitude. He was a regular patronizing cunt back then, all holier-than-thou, and I don't see much has changed. franc is on the money here.
First turned up? When did you start commenting at ERV, again?

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Post by Ape+lust » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:29 pm

Looks like the window of opportunity for your app is wide open, but starting to close, Steersman. Better get it to market quick :D

https://i.imgur.com/prFjdmT.png

https://i.imgur.com/XbAXKWO.png

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/78673 ... e-assault/

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Post by Bhurzum » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:39 pm

Steersman wrote:
Bhurzum wrote:
Steersman wrote: Did I miss out on the day's Two Minutes of Hate? ....
Shut your festering gob, y'tit! Your type makes me puke, you vacuous, toffee-nosed, malodorous pervert!
:lol: Better late than never I guess ... ;)
Sorry, I'm on a Monty Python binge and that line (from the "argument clinic" sketch) was wedged in my skull.

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Post by Steersman » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:59 pm

Bhurzum wrote:
Steersman wrote:
Bhurzum wrote:
Steersman wrote: Did I miss out on the day's Two Minutes of Hate? ....
Shut your festering gob, y'tit! Your type makes me puke, you vacuous, toffee-nosed, malodorous pervert!
:lol: Better late than never I guess ... ;)
Sorry, I'm on a Monty Python binge and that line (from the "argument clinic" sketch) was wedged in my skull.
No problemo - figured there was a "back-story" of sorts there ... :-)

Reminds me though of an old cartoon series - think it featured a witch of sorts - that featured an "Insult Exchange" that was probably along the same line as MP.

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Post by Driftless » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:01 pm

Ape+lust wrote: Of course he had his mind changed for him. No time to think, he's working on the new book.

https://i.imgur.com/lhJvBcy.jpg
I have seen the video of PZ humiliating that woman at a conference with his joke about her having sex with him. That's far worse than looking at someone's bare upper arm in my opinion, but what do I know.

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Post by Steersman » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:03 pm

Ape+lust wrote: Looks like the window of opportunity for your app is wide open, but starting to close, Steersman. Better get it to market quick :D

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/78673 ... e-assault/
:-) I was going to comment on the article but they don't allow sign-ins with Facebook or the like so it's not worth the effort. But others are welcome to post what I was going to say, or variations thereof:
LoL.

Might I suggest an iPhone App that actually records the entire "festivities", from preliminaries to "Main Event", to denouement (bitter recriminations or not)?

https://web.archive.org/web/20160209043 ... f=3&t=5336
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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:15 pm

Thank gods. I was worried I was wrong about Little Paul throwing him under the bus, but he finally returned to his loathsome form.

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Post by MarcusAu » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:16 pm

It sounds like just the sort of thing that would not hold up in court.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:22 pm

Ape+lust wrote: Looks like the window of opportunity for your app is wide open, but starting to close, Steersman. Better get it to market quick :D

https://i.imgur.com/prFjdmT.png

https://i.imgur.com/XbAXKWO.png

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/78673 ... e-assault/
But, as the text suggests, the app won't really hold up in court. Besides, in Steersman's case, he can always use receipts.

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Post by comhcinc » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:32 pm

Tumblr is going to ban all porn. That site's only use is no more.

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Post by Stankeye » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:46 pm

Steersman wrote:
Lsuoma wrote: I don't know how many of the regulars here remember when Ol' Daydays first turned up with his disingenuousness and bad-faith attitude. He was a regular patronizing cunt back then, all holier-than-thou, and I don't see much has changed. franc is on the money here.
Did I miss out on the day's Two Minutes of Hate? ....

Franc may well have justifications for being distraught as a result of having to look after an aging parent that he had rather less than a great relationship with - "Family: The Ties That Bind ... and Gag" as Erma Bombeck put it. But it kind of looks like his venting spleen is about to blow a gasket ...
Agreed, but the alternative is reading about how men with Vasectomies don't produce sperm. :think:

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:51 pm

Bhurzum wrote:
Steersman wrote:
Bhurzum wrote:
Steersman wrote: Did I miss out on the day's Two Minutes of Hate? ....
Shut your festering gob, y'tit! Your type makes me puke, you vacuous, toffee-nosed, malodorous pervert!
:lol: Better late than never I guess ... ;)
Sorry, I'm on a Monty Python binge and that line (from the "argument clinic" sketch) was wedged in my skull.
No it wasn't.

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Post by ConcentratedH2O, OM » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:51 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Thank gods. I was worried I was wrong about Little Paul throwing him under the bus, but he finally returned to his loathsome form.
Problem is, grenades are notoriously difficult to control once thrown.

Unless the thrower is such an incompetent, bumbling fuckwit that they forget to pull the pin beforehand.

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Post by Phil_Giordana_FCD » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:53 pm

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:51 pm
Bhurzum wrote:
Steersman wrote:
Bhurzum wrote:
Steersman wrote: Did I miss out on the day's Two Minutes of Hate? ....
Shut your festering gob, y'tit! Your type makes me puke, you vacuous, toffee-nosed, malodorous pervert!
:lol: Better late than never I guess ... ;)
Sorry, I'm on a Monty Python binge and that line (from the "argument clinic" sketch) was wedged in my skull.
No it wasn't.
That's not an argument!

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Post by Driftless » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:56 pm

Bhurzum wrote:
Steersman wrote:
Bhurzum wrote:
Steersman wrote: Did I miss out on the day's Two Minutes of Hate? ....
Shut your festering gob, y'tit! Your type makes me puke, you vacuous, toffee-nosed, malodorous pervert!
:lol: Better late than never I guess ... ;)
Sorry, I'm on a Monty Python binge and that line (from the "argument clinic" sketch) was wedged in my skull.
You need getting hit on the head lessons.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:02 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Pretend pirate and leading candidate for the stupidest baboon in the FTB troupe Nathan Hevenstone does NOT forgive Tyson's lecherous behavior and furthermore takes a run at the slymepit. FTB is apparently giving us an Xmas gift. They haven't so much juicy stuff for ages.
http://archive.is/PmlEf
For a bit of history, a couple years ago, an astrologer named Tchiya Amet accused Neil deGrasse Tyson of raping her in grad school. People liked to use the fact that she’s an astrologer and believes in chakras to discredit her allegations. PZ Myers reported on it because Tchiya contacted him, as she was exploited by Slymepitters and sent to him by them, as a weird sort of “gotcha” because, despite the evidence, Slymepitters to this day refuse to believe that Michael Shermer is anything other than a saint.
If some scoundrel from here contacted Amet and sicced her on PZ I've forgotten it or hadn't been aware. Possibly he could be talking about a generic pitter, but it's nice he still thinks of us. :drool:
Good post though, definitely worth a read.

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Post by some guy » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:20 pm

free thoughtpolice wrote: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Pretend pirate and leading candidate for the stupidest baboon in the FTB troupe Nathan Hevenstone does NOT forgive Tyson's lecherous behavior and furthermore takes a run at the slymepit. FTB is apparently giving us an Xmas gift. They haven't so much juicy stuff for ages.
http://archive.is/PmlEf
For a bit of history, a couple years ago, an astrologer named Tchiya Amet accused Neil deGrasse Tyson of raping her in grad school. People liked to use the fact that she’s an astrologer and believes in chakras to discredit her allegations. PZ Myers reported on it because Tchiya contacted him, as she was exploited by Slymepitters and sent to him by them, as a weird sort of “gotcha” because, despite the evidence, Slymepitters to this day refuse to believe that Michael Shermer is anything other than a saint.
If some scoundrel from here contacted Amet and sicced her on PZ I've forgotten it or hadn't been aware. Possibly he could be talking about a generic pitter, but it's nice he still thinks of us. :drool:
Good post though, definitely worth a read.
A quick pit search led me to this post, where it seems to be discussed.
viewtopic.php?p=333787#p333787

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Post by Driftless » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:27 pm

free thoughtpolice wrote: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Pretend pirate and leading candidate for the stupidest baboon in the FTB troupe Nathan Hevenstone does NOT forgive Tyson's lecherous behavior and furthermore takes a run at the slymepit. FTB is apparently giving us an Xmas gift. They haven't so much juicy stuff for ages.
http://archive.is/PmlEf
For a bit of history, a couple years ago, an astrologer named Tchiya Amet accused Neil deGrasse Tyson of raping her in grad school. People liked to use the fact that she’s an astrologer and believes in chakras to discredit her allegations. PZ Myers reported on it because Tchiya contacted him, as she was exploited by Slymepitters and sent to him by them, as a weird sort of “gotcha” because, despite the evidence, Slymepitters to this day refuse to believe that Michael Shermer is anything other than a saint.
If some scoundrel from here contacted Amet and sicced her on PZ I've forgotten it or hadn't been aware. Possibly he could be talking about a generic pitter, but it's nice he still thinks of us. :drool:
Good post though, definitely worth a read.
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Post by ConcentratedH2O, OM » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:28 pm

Tigzy mentioned over the last few days his part in this. He'd be the one able to clarify.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:39 pm

Stankeye wrote: Ship
Agreed, but the alternative is reading about how men with Vasectomies don't produce sperm. :think:
If they've had vasectomies, then according to Steers, they are no longer men. I suspect the worth of a man is in tiny gametes, most of them swimming towards oblivion. But Steers has yet to enlighten us with the terms for former-men and former-women-maybe for men, borrow the term for a castrated bull, that seems fitting...

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Post by Stankeye » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:46 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Stankeye wrote: Ship
Agreed, but the alternative is reading about how men with Vasectomies don't produce sperm. :think:
If they've had vasectomies, then according to Steers, they are no longer men. I suspect the worth of a man is in tiny gametes, most of them swimming towards oblivion. But Steers has yet to enlighten us with the terms for former-men and former-women-maybe for men, borrow the term for a castrated bull, that seems fitting...
Yes but what he says is objectively wrong at least as far as vasectomies are concerned. He states "The brute facts are that people produce EITHER sperm OR ova (ergo male or female)", then goes to list men with vasectomies next to intersex, trans, etc.. in his pie chart. Men with vasectomies still produce sperm so they need a new pie slice on his chart, again like you say he would need a new term. Which I can't wait for!

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:05 pm

Stankeye wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Stankeye wrote: Ship
Agreed, but the alternative is reading about how men with Vasectomies don't produce sperm. :think:
If they've had vasectomies, then according to Steers, they are no longer men. I suspect the worth of a man is in tiny gametes, most of them swimming towards oblivion. But Steers has yet to enlighten us with the terms for former-men and former-women-maybe for men, borrow the term for a castrated bull, that seems fitting...
Yes but what he says is objectively wrong at least as far as vasectomies are concerned. He states "The brute facts are that people produce EITHER sperm OR ova (ergo male or female)", then goes to list men with vasectomies next to intersex, trans, etc.. in his pie chart. Men with vasectomies still produce sperm so they need a new pie slice on his chart, again like you say he would need a new term. Which I can't wait for!
Exactly. And what if a female person, I hesitate to say woman, calls herself such, but a spot-check reveals she is gametes-less...perhaps monopause or even something more dastardly sinister...do we assign prison time? Death penalty with no appeal? Or do we just have a "Logan's Run" sort of thing? We can't have people misrepresenting themselves, because of misapplication of words, it's wondrous or something something.

I would propose gamete checks for people. Cards should be issued, and spot-checks to ensure compliance.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:09 pm

Steersman, enlighten us with the terminology you propose for the gamete-less folk. Also the penalties for misrepresenting oneself.

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Post by Driftless » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:14 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Stankeye wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Stankeye wrote: Ship
Agreed, but the alternative is reading about how men with Vasectomies don't produce sperm. :think:
If they've had vasectomies, then according to Steers, they are no longer men. I suspect the worth of a man is in tiny gametes, most of them swimming towards oblivion. But Steers has yet to enlighten us with the terms for former-men and former-women-maybe for men, borrow the term for a castrated bull, that seems fitting...
Yes but what he says is objectively wrong at least as far as vasectomies are concerned. He states "The brute facts are that people produce EITHER sperm OR ova (ergo male or female)", then goes to list men with vasectomies next to intersex, trans, etc.. in his pie chart. Men with vasectomies still produce sperm so they need a new pie slice on his chart, again like you say he would need a new term. Which I can't wait for!
Exactly. And what if a female person, I hesitate to say woman, calls herself such, but a spot-check reveals she is gametes-less...perhaps monopause or even something more dastardly sinister...do we assign prison time? Death penalty with no appeal? Or do we just have a "Logan's Run" sort of thing? We can't have people misrepresenting themselves, because of misapplication of words, it's wondrous or something something.

I would propose gamete checks for people. Cards should be issued, and spot-checks to ensure compliance.
Everyone will be required to produce gametes on demand? Carrier will be happy to comply.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:26 pm

I mean, it absolutely makes perfect sense to overturn the language usage of millennia to have a more accurate, scientific definition of a person's gamete state. You'd know instantly a person's reproductive status, which is necessary for most social interaction. No more trannies sneaking away terminology, no more menopausal females misrepresenting themselves as "women." We would achieve a scientific, precise society, wherein words would clearly denote your current gamete production.

Now, some people say Steersman's quest is a cruel overreaction to the trans lobby eroding the term "woman," and it is an impractical and ultimately quixotic quest to redefine language to his own particular meaning. That it simply goes too far. I say it doesn't go too far enough. And if you don't agree, I'm suspicious of your ability to actually make those smaller gametes, if you catch my drift.

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Post by comhcinc » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:33 pm

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote: Tigzy mentioned over the last few days his part in this. He'd be the one able to clarify.
I think I might have sent an email or a tweet. I don't remember.

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Post by ConcentratedH2O, OM » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:37 pm

comhcinc wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote: Tigzy mentioned over the last few days his part in this. He'd be the one able to clarify.
I think I might have sent an email or a tweet. I don't remember.
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Post by comhcinc » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:39 pm

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
comhcinc wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote: Tigzy mentioned over the last few days his part in this. He'd be the one able to clarify.
I think I might have sent an email or a tweet. I don't remember.
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but really I don't remember.

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Post by MarcusAu » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:51 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: I mean, it absolutely makes perfect sense to overturn the language usage of millennia to have a more accurate, scientific definition of a person's gamete state. You'd know instantly a person's reproductive status, which is necessary for most social interaction. No more trannies sneaking away terminology, no more menopausal females misrepresenting themselves as "women." We would achieve a scientific, precise society, wherein words would clearly denote your current gamete production.

Now, some people say Steersman's quest is a cruel overreaction to the trans lobby eroding the term "woman," and it is an impractical and ultimately quixotic quest to redefine language to his own particular meaning. That it simply goes too far. I say it doesn't go too far enough. And if you don't agree, I'm suspicious of your ability to actually make those smaller gametes, if you catch my drift.
Some options could include Eunuch, Drone (cf Worker Bees), Bitch (cf female dog in heat), Stud, Gelding, Chad, Stacy, Incel - and 'Person waiting for the blessed release of death, so that this conversation is finally over'.

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:11 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: I mean, it absolutely makes perfect sense to overturn the language usage of millennia to have a more accurate, scientific definition of a person's gamete state. You'd know instantly a person's reproductive status, which is necessary for most social interaction. No more trannies sneaking away terminology, no more menopausal females misrepresenting themselves as "women." We would achieve a scientific, precise society, wherein words would clearly denote your current gamete production.

Now, some people say Steersman's quest is a cruel overreaction to the trans lobby eroding the term "woman," and it is an impractical and ultimately quixotic quest to redefine language to his own particular meaning. That it simply goes too far. I say it doesn't go too far enough. And if you don't agree, I'm suspicious of your ability to actually make those smaller gametes, if you catch my drift.
Not so simple. Gamete production is on a spectrum, and totals mount over the years. Perhaps each of us should wear a sign of some sort. :think:

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Post by Steersman » Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:17 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Ape+lust wrote: Looks like the window of opportunity for your app is wide open, but starting to close, Steersman. Better get it to market quick :D

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But, as the text suggests, the app won't really hold up in court. Besides, in Steersman's case, he can always use receipts.
:lol: "For everything else there's Master Card" ...

Though you might note some of the specifics:
"Evidence of pre-recorded consent is clearly relevant and something a jury could consider . However, even if consent was freely given, such recordings could never provide a blanket defence."

Judging how a court of law would interpret a "consent video", she added: "A 'yes', pre-recorded or not, can be just as ambiguous as some men suggest a 'no' is."

And Katy Thorne QC added that a video was nothing more than evidence and could not always determine consent.

She added: "The use of video or audio recorded consent is a very unromantic way to ask and [may] not be the cast iron protection the minor celebrity seeks, in fact texts and social media messages before and after the encounter might be as compelling."
But since consent can clearly be revoked right up until it's no longer relevant - though some "feminists" seem to want to make it retroactive - that provides some "justification", or at least a rationale, for a complete recording of the entire process.

Kind of sucks that the battle-of-the-sexes has generally escalated, or degenerated, to such an extent, but, short of taking a page from the Quran and declaring a woman's [?] testimony is worth 1/2 or 1/4 that of a man [?], it's hard to see workable alternatives.

You may wish to take a gander at a recent WEIT post on the topic of DeVos & Title IX - kind of sucks that the nature of the interaction tends to minimize the likelihood of witnesses but "believe the woman" turns out to be rather decidedly "problematic".

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Post by KiwiInOz » Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:30 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Stankeye wrote: Ship
Agreed, but the alternative is reading about how men with Vasectomies don't produce sperm. :think:
If they've had vasectomies, then according to Steers, they are no longer men. I suspect the worth of a man is in tiny gametes, most of them swimming towards oblivion. But Steers has yet to enlighten us with the terms for former-men and former-women-maybe for men, borrow the term for a castrated bull, that seems fitting...
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Post by some guy » Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:33 pm

Men are continually making gametes, but women (if you can call them that) only make one gamete a month.

So, are they women only on the day of the month they make a gamete?

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Post by Steersman » Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:43 pm

Stankeye wrote:
Steersman wrote: <snip>
Did I miss out on the day's Two Minutes of Hate? ....

Franc may well have justifications for being distraught as a result of having to look after an aging parent that he had rather less than a great relationship with - "Family: The Ties That Bind ... and Gag" as Erma Bombeck put it. But it kind of looks like his venting spleen is about to blow a gasket ...
Agreed, but the alternative is reading about how men with Vasectomies don't produce sperm. :think:
So reading my missives on that topic is, in comparison to franc's venting at least, a "fate worse than death"? Ohhhkayyy ....

But one might still reasonably wonder if you think that, for example - analogously ("the core of cognition"), a car manufacting plant could be said to produce cars if, during the manufacturing process, they were ALL broken into scrap and recycled well before they went out the door, much less were actually delivered to the customer for USE ...


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One can, of course, choose which definitions one thinks are relevant. But you might consider that the choice isn't entirely arbitrary, that it depends heavily on the context. And that rejecting that principle can reasonably be construed as intellectually dishonest at best. See:
Equivocation

In logic, equivocation ('calling two different things by the same name') is an informal fallacy resulting from the use of a particular word/expression in multiple senses throughout an argument leading to a false conclusion. Abbott and Costello's "Who's on first?" routine is a well known example of equivocation.

It is a type of ambiguity that stems from a phrase having two distinct meanings, not from the grammar or structure of the sentence.

Some examples of equivocation in syllogisms (a logical chain of reasoning) are below:

Since only man [human] is rational,
and no woman is a man [male],
Therefore, no woman is rational.[1]

....

All jackasses have long ears.
Carl is a jackass.
Therefore, Carl has long ears.
Here, the equivocation is the metaphorical use of "jackass" to imply a simple-minded or obnoxious person instead of a male donkey.

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Post by KiwiInOz » Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:03 pm

Steersman wrote: vasectomy

But one might still reasonably wonder if you think that, for example - analogously ("the core of cognition"), a car manufacting plant could be said to produce cars if, during the manufacturing process, they were ALL broken into scrap and recycled well before they went out the door, much less were actually delivered to the customer for USE ...

/vasectomy
They are still producing cars. It's just that you no longer run the risk of having an accident in one of those cars.

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Post by Steersman » Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:13 pm

KiwiInOz wrote:
Steersman wrote: vasectomy

But one might still reasonably wonder if you think that, for example - analogously ("the core of cognition"), a car manufacting plant could be said to produce cars if, during the manufacturing process, they were ALL broken into scrap and recycled well before they went out the door, much less were actually delivered to the customer for USE ...

/vasectomy
They are still producing cars. It's just that you no longer run the risk of having an accident in one of those cars.
:-) Well padded; plenty of air-bags ...

Though, as the JPGs & links suggest, the context is "USE in the biological process of REPRODUCTION".

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Post by Steersman » Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:28 pm

some guy wrote: Men are continually making gametes, but women (if you can call them that) only make one gamete a month.

So, are they women only on the day of the month they make a gamete?
Maybe kind of moot. But one might reasonably ask whether you think that a car manufacturing plant could still be said to "produce" cars even if there wasn't a continuous stream of them coming off the production line, maybe akin to a steel rolling mill:



"produce" seems only to denote a more or less regular process without entailing any necessary interval between successive "products". Seems all that is required is that there is something that "periodically" comes off the "production line" and is able to be USED downstream in some OTHER "physical, biological or chemical process".

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Post by Keating » Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:46 pm

Hey Phil, have you been fitted with a yellow vest yet? And are you ready for the glorious Sixth Republic?

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:26 pm

some guy wrote: Men are continually making gametes, but women (if you can call them that) only make one gamete a month.

So, are they women only on the day of the month they make a gamete?
some guy wrote: Men are continually making gametes, but women (if you can call them that) only make one gamete a month.

So, are they women only on the day of the month they make a gamete?
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If they pull the headache thing they are clearly unable to procreate, and cease to be women.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:28 pm

damn autocorrect quote fuck. :cdc:

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:41 pm

Let's consult the experts on this weighty question:


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Post by free thoughtpolice » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:01 pm

Steersman wrote:
some guy wrote: Men are continually making gametes, but women (if you can call them that) only make one gamete a month.

So, are they women only on the day of the month they make a gamete?
Maybe kind of moot. But one might reasonably ask whether you think that a car manufacturing plant could still be said to "produce" cars even if there wasn't a continuous stream of them coming off the production line, maybe akin to a steel rolling mill:



"produce" seems only to denote a more or less regular process without entailing any necessary interval between successive "products". Seems all that is required is that there is something that "periodically" comes off the "production line" and is able to be USED downstream in some OTHER "physical, biological or chemical process".
Some Steers robot porn. Yes we know that many of your components are made of high quality rolled steel and we are all enthralled at looking at the video of your conception. :P

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:08 pm

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Post by Couch » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:11 pm

DrokkIt wrote: Question for the pit:

Does anyone have any first-hand experience in dealing with alt-medicine cults harming people you know?

A friend of mine (who is an old hippy) has announced he plans on treating his stage 3 esophageal cancer with what amounts to organic soup veganism. I really think he will die a la Steve Jobs. There's no use me lecturing him on this, but he has kids and this is some bleak shit to watch happen.

Is there anything I can do beyond ignoring it?
I ran into this sort of thing a couple of years back. School friend - not in touch much - he announced on FB he had been diagnosed with bowel cancer and strongly hinted he was going down some woo-ish alternative medicine path involving eschewing radiotherapy and going on a retreat heavy with cleanses and enemas.

We exchanges some PMs. I tried to keep it light, but got nowhere.

I eventually asked him if he was able to imagine any evidence or argument which would dissuade him from his avoiding conventional nuclear treatment. I pulled the old skeptics trick of, when he inevitable replied 'no', pointing out this meant his belief was indistinguishable from faith.

I got no response, and that was out last PM, and he went quiet on the topic on FB - until several months back mentioned in passing he was in remission - but gave no more details. No wife or kids, but he was his mum's primary carer.

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Post by Steersman » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:15 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: Steersman, enlighten us with the terminology you propose for the gamete-less folk. Also the penalties for misrepresenting oneself.
You might consider the definition for "nominally": "in name only; officially though perhaps not in reality". In which case, one might say, if one wanted to be precise or other than loosey-goosey, "gamete-less folk" are nominally male or female but are not so "in reality".

But it is really kind of curious, kind of amusing, though "problematic", that so many "men" seem so reluctant to face the implications of those definitions. I can kind of understand that with women whose claim to "female" is even more tenuous once they reach menopause, although given the nature of "the curse" I'm surprised that more aren't happy to see the end of inclusion in that category. But in both cases it seems that reluctance causes no end of problems - largely a case of identity politics writ large.

More particularly, it seems that many "men" and "women" are attached to some rather wooish definitions for the terms that are little better than stereotypes at best if not outright straightjackets. You may wish to take a gander at this tweet which, I think, neatly summarizes the issue:



So while your "gamete checks for people" and "people misrepresenting themselves" are kind of amusing - even if little more than red herrings and moving the goalposts, and while I can certainly appreciate that a "nominal" use of the terms "male" and "female" - and of "man" and "woman" - is more or less implied, I really don't think it helps anyone at all to refuse to be precise in our definitions - and those ones in particular. One might even reasonably argue that the stereotypes that are thereby entailed, and which many seem to accept as the norm if not de rigueur, are part and parcel of the trauma that many "dysphoric" kids experience and which lead to some rather life-threatening choices.

In addition, while my "quest is [maybe] a cruel overreaction to the trans lobby eroding the term woman", I rather doubt the #TransLoonie tide will be turned until people make some effort to be precise in the relevant defintions. Though it is hardly a case of me "redefining language to [my] own particular meaning" since the standard definitions on the books for both "male" & "female" are clearly predicated on the actual production of corresponding gametes - for ACTUAL reproduction.

It is of course - or maybe - moot why the production of gametes should be considered the sine qua non for those categories; after all, those types of cells weren't really identified until fairly recently. Though I wonder which other criteria or attributes you might suggest as alternatives - maybe you would include "possessing a penis" for "female"? But it has clearly been obvious for much longer that there were two categories of people - of all animals for that matter - that were essential to reproduction. And that there was also an additional but related category of those who weren't able to be part of that process - the infertile.

But all that modern biology has added to that definition has been a precise specification of the fundamental elements they possess that were most essential, a refinement of the definition. None of which really should be considered beyond the pale, particularly given that, for example, the definitions for forces and particles have also evolved tremendously; rather "anti-scientific and anti-intellectual" to think the principle shouldn't apply to more mundane categories.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:36 pm

Steersman, you didn't answer the question. In fact, you seem sorta hostile. You've defined a problem, but propose no solutions. Indeed, you've rather denigrated your own proposition of defining people by their gametes. I really want to hear what your proposed terms are for people that are done producing gametes, whether through accident or age. You seem very set on these precise definitions, so by all means, set the stage for your proposed new classes of former large&small gamete producers. Also, it would be good if you informed us as to how this new language will work in practice, seeing as how it might induce some hostility to let former women know that they are no longer such after menopause. I'm going to suggest, as it's your idea, you be the one to tell them.

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Post by Steersman » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:13 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: Steersman, you didn't answer the question. In fact, you seem sorta hostile. You've defined a problem, but propose no solutions. Indeed, you've rather denigrated your own proposition of defining people by their gametes. I really want to hear what your proposed terms are for people that are done producing gametes, whether through accident or age. You seem very set on these precise definitions, so by all means, set the stage for your proposed new classes of former large&small gamete producers. Also, it would be good if you informed us as to how this new language will work in practice, seeing as how it might induce some hostility to let former women know that they are no longer such after menopause. I'm going to suggest, as it's your idea, you be the one to tell them.
Think I answered “the question” pretty directly & completely; maybe you’re not paying attention, or are unwilling to consider the facts of the matter laid out in some detail, and the conclusions that follow. Maybe you can lead some people to syllogisms but you can’t actually make them think.

You may wish to review closely what I’ve said – maybe a “Coles Notes” summary might help:
  • I’ve “proposed” that people can continue to use “man” and “woman”, “male” and “female” if they want. As long it is understood that, technically at least, that may be only “nominally” true – “officially though perhaps not in reality”;
  • If people want to fool themselves, or try to pull the wool over other people’s eyes, or peddle untenable or unrealistic stereotypes instead of those then the consequences are on their heads;
  • As alternatives, I’d suggest deprecating those terms unless the context suggests that gamete production is relevant; “person”, or variants thereof, seems a better bet than creating artificial divisions – identity politics writ large;
  • It’s NOT me that’s “defining people by their gametes” but a whole raft of dictionaries & encyclopaedias – see The Imperative of Categories;
  • I’m NOT set on those “precise definitions” – just pointing out that those ARE the ones “in play”, and that they generally hold quite a bit of water; still ready, willing, able to consider YOUR kick at the kitty – which you seem reluctant to address much less take a shot at;
  • That the foregoing may “induce some hostility” in some “former women” – and clearly in some “former men” – is hardly proof that the definitions are null and void; still waiting for some evidence and argument from you that they are – you have either?

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:35 pm

What should they call themselves to be accurate, Steersman ol' chum?

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Post by Steersman » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:29 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: What should they call themselves to be accurate, Steersman ol' chum?
To be really accurate - ol' chum, they could simply call themselves "people", or "persons", or "ex-females" or "ex-women" (like ex-Muslims), or even "menopausees" if want to really "own" their actual state.

Or, less so, even "women" if they want to or are prepared to accept an implicit prefix of "nominally".

You don't quite seem to get - or maybe I haven't explained in enough detail ... - that the criteria that determine categories - and the names we apply to them - are, generally speaking, not at all arbitrary: there IS some - actually a great deal of - rhyme and reason to the process, largely that which is encapsulated in the SCIENCE of taxonomy: i.e., "defining and naming groups of biological organisms on the basis of shared characteristics".

And the essential "shared characteristics" that are most relevant when we're talking about reproduction is the gametes we produce - which leads to the corresponding categories of "male" and "female". And, maybe, "infertz" if we're talking about people who don't produce either.

But you may wish to take a gander at a comment by one "Winston Smith" [AKA Philosoraptor]- and my response - to the Areo article, Alice Dreger’s Middle Finger: Sex, Gender and Unhelpful Hair-Splitting, for some further elaborations.

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Post by Brive1987 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:42 pm

Aussie counter terrorism.

Tradie with a machine gun, a camo helmet and hi-vis for OHS.

:lol:

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:44 pm

None of your support links go so far as to re-label women based on menopause, Steers. Have you ever considered that you may be a little...off?

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:45 pm

Brive1987 wrote: Aussie counter terrorism.

Tradie with a machine gun, a camo helmet and hi-vis for OHS.

:lol:

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Aussies and fashion crimes are hardly news.

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Post by Steersman » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:47 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: None of your support links go so far as to re-label women based on menopause, Steers. Have you ever considered that you may be a little...off?
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: None of your support links go so far as to re-label women based on menopause, Steers. Have you ever considered that you may be a little...off?
Like I've said, you can lead some people to syllogisms but you can't actually make them think ...

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