Naked fat black crippled dykes are hard to find...

[Bhurzum]

Judge Dredd gets the SJW treatment...



A sad day.

[MarcusAu]

I dunno. John Wagner is pretty left-wing and Alan Grant is an out-right anarchist. I don't think it would be too hard to find something from some of the old '70s or 80s stories that was critical of Ronald Regan or Maggie Thatcher for instance.

[Service Dog]

Judge Dredd gets the SJW treatment...



A sad day.

Foreshadowed in 2016, when the same comic book company published an intentionally 'homoerotic' GI Joe cover...

https://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content ... 00x911.jpg

[free thoughtpolice]

[KiwiInOz]

Fascist of a different sort has his continued existence hinge on the whim of physics.

Everybody forgets that the quickest path is a straight line and that f=ma. Both did very slow swings - yeah the haymaker by the big guy was poetic justice, but is easy to step back from or step into and put the guy on his back and take his arm out of its socket. Same with the guy and his rod.

[KiwiInOz]

Fascist of a different sort has his continued existence hinge on the whim of physics.

Big rush of schadenfreude, pleasure centres activated. Up to the point where pavement bound party gets a push. He was out instantly and still gets a push. I'm probably revealing myself as a totally pussy but the punch thrower must have known the guy was out on his feet and I would not be that upset if he were prosecuted in the event of a serious head injury. The way he went down after being pushed could easily have resulted in a lethal injury. I'd like to think I'd do something to ease the guy's fall rather than push him, being a bit averse to manslaughter as I am.

The general rule, when you're attacked with a deadly weapon is to make certain that the attacker is absolutely incapacitated. Factor in a bit of adrenaline, multiple attackers, and he's lookin' good. No curb-stomp even.

And he showed control in not taking out the woman in a rush of adrenaline.

But what he should have done, given that he chose to attack, was step in, block and wrap the lead arm at the elbow, knee up the groin and break his pelvis, and right hand to the throat to crush his larynx. This would have avoided any possible head injury. :whistle:

[Brive1987]

I have relatives who worked in the Tavistock in the 80s and 90s. They roll their eyes at the current trans wave sweeping through. My impression is that most of the difficulty is caused by people who have their eye on career advancement. A new growing area like this is a fast track up the ladder. By no means everybody there is ideologically possessed, or on the make. As with everywhere else though, nobody is interested in the opinions of those people and it wouldn't be consequence free for them to speak openly. It's heavily left wing, so most of this will probably be playing out as a battle between the old and new left.

One claim I heard is that trans is the first item on the list on their call handling system.

Blaire Witch wants his her hairy wizard bollocks back.



(Not sure what irks me about this 'woman' the most, the constant hair touching, the hand waving or that fucking annoying upward deflecting fake voice)

Jesus Christ. Dude goes chick-with-a-dick and nets a hubby. Now he wants to re-dude to pursue his life long ambition of a “traditional” family (a la Ayla). But he may have poisoned his swimmers with girl-poison .... ☠️ 🤡

One can only hope.

[shoutinghorse]

And he showed control in not taking out the woman in a rush of adrenaline.

But what he should have done, given that he chose to attack, was step in, block and wrap the lead arm at the elbow, knee up the groin and break his pelvis, and right hand to the throat to crush his larynx. This would have avoided any possible head injury. :whistle:

Now if he really wanted to disarm the guy.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Don't ever fuck with Mike.

[SM1957]

I can't keep track of American identity politics.

Somebody called Robert O'Rourke identifies as a Hispanic.

And somebody called Rafael Cruz, son of Rafael Bienvenido Cruz y Díaz , identifies as a WASP

Can this be correct?

[Kirbmarc]

I can't keep track of American identity politics.

Somebody called Robert O'Rourke identifies as a Hispanic.

And somebody called Rafael Cruz, son of Rafael Bienvenido Cruz y Díaz , identifies as a WASP

Can this be correct?

This is why identity politics are just for rubes.

[shoutinghorse]

[TheMudbrooker]

Pretty good tune....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4xZUr0BEfE
....but given what happened last time Mongolians went on a world tour, they may have trouble with ticket sales.

[DrokkIt]

I have relatives who worked in the Tavistock in the 80s and 90s. They roll their eyes at the current trans wave sweeping through. My impression is that most of the difficulty is caused by people who have their eye on career advancement. A new growing area like this is a fast track up the ladder. By no means everybody there is ideologically possessed, or on the make. As with everywhere else though, nobody is interested in the opinions of those people and it wouldn't be consequence free for them to speak openly. It's heavily left wing, so most of this will probably be playing out as a battle between the old and new left.

One claim I heard is that trans is the first item on the list on their call handling system.

Blaire Witch wants his her hairy wizard bollocks back.



(Not sure what irks me about this 'woman' the most, the constant hair touching, the hand waving or that fucking annoying upward deflecting fake voice)

Jesus Christ. Dude goes chick-with-a-dick and nets a hubby. Now he wants to re-dude to pursue his life long ambition of a “traditional” family (a la Ayla). But he may have poisoned his swimmers with girl-poison .... ☠️ 🤡

One can only hope.

Whilst the old python is back in working order, she'll be able to make a fortune doing porn, where it pays better if the chick's dick can get hard.

Life is strange.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

I don't understand:

What's your problem with Blaire? She wants to stop hormone therapy in order to increase her fertility and hopefully have kids. Sounds like the smart way to do it.

And if you want to go after Trans*, I'd expect Blaire to be one of the less likely targets out there.

[MarcusAu]

Things have changed.

Degeneracy is no longer the draw it once was. Sacrifices must be made if western civilisation is to prevail.

[free thoughtpolice]

Things have changed.

Degeneracy is no longer the draw it once was. Sacrifices must be made if western civilisation is to prevail.

Fads come and go. The trans thing is rapidly becoming uncool. Tattoos are next. You may want to invest in my upcoming chain of Tat removal studios right now and get in on the ground floor.

[some guy]

I think someone needs to explain to Blaire that a "chick-with-a-dick" and a "hubby" are going to have a rough time conceiving a child.

Is there someone around here who is up on the different types of gametes, and stuff like that?

[DrokkIt]

Things have changed.

Degeneracy is no longer the draw it once was. Sacrifices must be made if western civilisation is to prevail.

Fads come and go. The trans thing is rapidly becoming uncool. Tattoos are next. You may want to invest in my upcoming chain of Tat removal studios right now and get in on the ground floor.

This is actually a really solid business proposal. A friend of mine repairs stretched-out earlobes (from those massive gauges) for a living.

[shoutinghorse]

Obviously this rogue 'RoboCop' Bobby will be thrown out of the force immediately, ordered to release a humiliating apology and dragged through the courts for this blatant breach of these poor unfortunate toe rag's human rights.

[Steersman]

I think someone needs to explain to Blaire that a "chick-with-a-dick" and a "hubby" are going to have a rough time conceiving a child.

Is there someone around here who is up on the different types of gametes, and stuff like that?

:-) Though Blair DID say something about a surrogate at one point in the video (CFB, please note: I did at least watch SOME of it ....)

However, Blair may not really be clear on the concept of those "gametes" IF he thinks his hubby is going to be able to provide the ovum; rather doubt medical science has advanced to the point of creating one from the genetic material of another male.

In any case, apropos of which and in the partial interest of keeping tabs on the #TransLoonies & their fellow-travelers, an "interesting" article by one Katherine J. Wu - no apparent relation to Brianna, though both are peddling some questionable "woo" - at a Harvard University site which should know better:

Between the (Gender) Lines: the Science of Transgender Identity

....
Sex determination – the way we are “coded” into a biological sex – is complicated in and of itself. There are far more options than just “male” or “female,” and countless instances of species that can actually transition from one sex to another within a single lifetime. With most mammals, however, the majority of individuals are cisgender male or female; transgender individuals are estimated to comprise about 0.3% of the adult U.S. population. ....

Sure is a puzzle why so many - even here, though I'm gratified to see that at least some have seen the light ... ;) - seem so reluctant to actually define precisely what they mean by "male" and "female" ["produces ova"].

[Steersman]

I can't keep track of American identity politics.

Somebody called Robert O'Rourke identifies as a Hispanic.

And somebody called Rafael Cruz, son of Rafael Bienvenido Cruz y Díaz , identifies as a WASP

Can this be correct?

This is why identity politics are just for rubes.

Not entirely - bit of a weak reed to be putting much "faith" in, but identity does have some relevance and utility. Apropos of which, and in case you missed it, an interesting article of sorts (haven't YET read ALL of it ...) at Areo:

Identity: Knowing What It’s Like To Be Something

Like most people who hang around on social media, now and again I come across an exchange which goes like this: “I think such-and-such,” “How dare you think such-and-such? You’re not a so-and-so. I’m a so-and-so and because I’m a so-and-so I can tell you that you have no right to think such-and-such.” At the heart of such collisions is a serious question: how and to what extent does having a particular identity allow one to assert authority for one’s own truth claims as they relate to that identity and deny legitimacy to the truth claims of others? ....

Seems the article devolves from the What Is it Like to Be a Bat? trope, of sorts, that figures in the philosophy & "science" of consciousness:

"What is it like to be a bat?" is a paper by American philosopher Thomas Nagel, first published in The Philosophical Review in October 1974, and later in Nagel's Mortal Questions (1979). In it, Nagel argues that materialist theories of mind omit the essential component of consciousness, namely that there is something that it is (or feels) like to be a particular, conscious thing. ....

But there is some conflict and confusion there in the relative weight granted to those who might simply empathize with a bat - so to speak - and those who are actually bats - and those who are simply bat-shit crazy, e.g., many transactivists like Zinnia Jones.

[Steersman]

Judge Dredd gets the SJW treatment...



A sad day.

:-) Feet of clay and all that ... ;-)

But seems that even HRC - Herself! - is finally seeing the light, although some are not impressed by her volte-face:

[shoutinghorse]

I don't understand:

What's your problem with Blaire? She wants to stop hormone therapy in order to increase her fertility and hopefully have kids. Sounds like the smart way to do it.

And if you want to go after Trans*, I'd expect Blaire to be one of the less likely targets out there.

I have no problem with Blaire White as such, aside from I find her vacuous and extremely annoying, It's all fake and showy tits and she gets a free pass only because she's not a left wing loony tunes like the rest of the internet trannies. If that's how she/he wants to live her life then so be it I just don't go along with this 'Woman trapped in a man's body' crap, I never have, I can recognise that people have a mental issue with themselves and feel happier living as a female but at the end of the day they're just effeminate gay men who like to dress up and pretend to be a woman. As Brive alluded to, if she hadn't filled her system with hormonal toxins then she wouldn't be worrying now if she can father a child. And that's another thing, doesn't anyone think of the kids any more, growing up with daddy and tranny's going to be a barrel of fun right? We're heading for a future with some seriously mixed up kids IMO.
Call me a 'Transphobe' or a 'Dinosaur' I really don't care, I just don't believe in Transgenderism, I think it's all bullshit.

[Brive1987]

I don't understand:

What's your problem with Blaire? She wants to stop hormone therapy in order to increase her fertility and hopefully have kids. Sounds like the smart way to do it.

And if you want to go after Trans*, I'd expect Blaire to be one of the less likely targets out there.

I’ve not engaged with Blaire’s videos, I’m sure zir is special. Here though, we have public projection of mental dysfunction.

S/h/it has trodden the fringe, hacking and poisoning their way to a conventional feminine trope. They have embraced conservatism in an oxymoronic “look at me” POD. Now they display their cognitive strength by realising this trajectory is inconsistent with their desire for natural fatherhood, intersectional with odd maternal impulses. And all this too apparently occur within a desired “traditional” context. :lol: :lol: :bjarte:

That this state of affairs doesn’t conjure white uniformed medical staff is testament to a society which has lost its way.

[Brive1987]

It is our wedding anniversary today. We are going to Julius Caesar at the Opera House. I made the mistake of only just reading the reviews.

The only thing this production has going for it is the genuine embrace of colour- and gender-blind casting. Such diversity should be an unremarkable commonplace on our stages, and this takes us one step closer.

Otherwise, it’s an utter traducement of Shakespeare. And nothing is more likely to have critics stabbing you in the front

https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/th ... 4zsxq.html

I hope the post show French Restarant can salvage the situation.

[Hunt]

Pharyngulits have convinced themselves that "white man" "colonist" John Chau deserved to die. (His name was "Chau" idiots; get with the program.)

They really are a nasty lot.

https://web.archive.org/web/20181123221 ... rimitives/

[Brive1987]

PZ is pitching the line they are noble savages.

But most importantly, these aren’t some brutal, primitive tribe.

And their aggressiveness is not the mark of savagery. It just that their conception of outsiders is mostly framed by some foot-faced English pervert

[Brive1987]

I appear to inhabit the Goldilocks zone.

[shoutinghorse]

Nothing surprises me any more. :think:

[Keating]

It is our wedding anniversary today. We are going to Julius Caesar at the Opera House. I made the mistake of only just reading the reviews.

The only thing this production has going for it is the genuine embrace of colour- and gender-blind casting. Such diversity should be an unremarkable commonplace on our stages, and this takes us one step closer.

Otherwise, it’s an utter traducement of Shakespeare. And nothing is more likely to have critics stabbing you in the front

https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/th ... 4zsxq.html

I hope the post show French Restarant can salvage the situation.

You haven’t learned Bell Shakespeare productions are shit yet? My parents took me to a few in the early 2000s. I thought Shakespeare was overrated crap as a result until I saw it performed in the UK.

Still, an outing to the Opera House has got to be worth at least a hummer, especially if you did dinner too.

[AndrewV69]

In other news :

My grandfather had a bull who was "affectionately" nicknamed Satan (not his real name apparently) and managed to kill at least one man in his ongoing crusade to rid the world of all humankind.

I suspect this one is a steer.

[Hunt]

PZ is pitching the line they are noble savages.

But most importantly, these aren’t some brutal, primitive tribe.

And their aggressiveness is not the mark of savagery. It just that their conception of outsiders is mostly framed by some foot-faced English pervert

Let's review the evidence. They try to kill people on sight. They're known to murder people who attempt to contact them. They have an utterly callus, casual disregard for human life. So 140 years ago some jerk harassed them. Irrelevant. They're probably as close to the definition of "savage" as anyone will ever get. They're actually a fairly significant menace to any waylaid, wrecked or lost sailor or traveler who fortuitously happens upon them.

And now I'll debut my opinion that would really set anti-colonial SJWs aflame with irritation. I've never bought the "non-interferance" philosophy. We're not talking about aliens and the Prime Directive here. These are human beings. Moreover, they raise human children who have to suffer the life they impose on them. They're capable of murder for unjustifiable reasons; who knows what else goes on in their "culture".

I say forcibly integrate them into modern society post haste, and I think that would have the backing of moral analysis. They're not fucking animals in a zoo. They have a right to modern science and medicine and the inheritance of human accomplishment.

Cue SJW head explosions.

[Brive1987]

It is our wedding anniversary today. We are going to Julius Caesar at the Opera House. I made the mistake of only just reading the reviews.

The only thing this production has going for it is the genuine embrace of colour- and gender-blind casting. Such diversity should be an unremarkable commonplace on our stages, and this takes us one step closer.

Otherwise, it’s an utter traducement of Shakespeare. And nothing is more likely to have critics stabbing you in the front

https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/th ... 4zsxq.html

I hope the post show French Restarant can salvage the situation.

You haven’t learned Bell Shakespeare productions are shit yet? My parents took me to a few in the early 2000s. I thought Shakespeare was overrated crap as a result until I saw it performed in the UK.

Still, an outing to the Opera House has got to be worth at least a hummer, especially if you did dinner too.

Happy wife, happy life. But even she is complaining now it’s post Bell.

We got a black female Mark Antony. A black female Octavian. A black soy Caesar. An aboriginal someone or other. And a token white Cassius.

Peak edge.

Ho hum.

[AndrewV69]

PZ is pitching the line they are noble savages.

But most importantly, these aren’t some brutal, primitive tribe.

And their aggressiveness is not the mark of savagery. It just that their conception of outsiders is mostly framed by some foot-faced English pervert

Let's review the evidence. They try to kill people on sight. They're known to murder people who attempt to contact them. They have an utterly callus, casual disregard for human life. So 140 years ago some jerk harassed them. Irrelevant. They're probably as close to the definition of "savage" as anyone will ever get. They're actually a fairly significant menace to any waylaid, wrecked or lost sailor or traveler who fortuitously happens upon them.

And now I'll debut my opinion that would really set anti-colonial SJWs aflame with irritation. I've never bought the "non-interferance" philosophy. We're not talking about aliens and the Prime Directive here. These are human beings. Moreover, they raise human children who have to suffer the life they impose on them. They're capable of murder for unjustifiable reasons; who knows what else goes on in their "culture".

I say forcibly integrate them into modern society post haste, and I think that would have the backing of moral analysis. They're not fucking animals in a zoo. They have a right to modern science and medicine and the inheritance of human accomplishment.

Cue SJW head explosions.

Well, given the track record so far I doubt it would end well. I suppose we could just invade and slaughter all of them and put them out of their misery quickly, or let them die out slowly which appears to be their likely future either way.

Should not take all that long seeing as I see estimates that their total population is between 50 to 150.

I keep hearing that they are ancient. Razib has something to say about that : The People Of The Andaman Islands Are Not Genetic Fossils

They are hostile to the outside world. And this is probably why the Sentinelese are still around, as the outside world does not have a good track record with hunter-gatherers. The Andamanese as a whole had a reputation for being very hostile to outsiders, as traders knew not to stop too long for water.

Second, they are not the most “ancient” people. That doesn’t make any sense. We are all people who are equally ancient. We all descend by and large outside of Africa from a migratory wave that expanded ~60,000 years ago. Andamanese, Chinese, and Europeans. What is “ancient” about them is that they are hunter-gatherers who have continued to practice that mode of production down to the present. But that’s a matter of culture and not genetics.

My opinion is either kill them now because it would be a mercy.

Otherwise the long slow side to degeneration and eventual extinction with a constantly ramping up misery along the way.

Years ago I heard about the Jarawa. Their long slow slide has since started.

[Hunt]

I wouldn't say wipe them out, even in the figurative sense of evacuating their islands. What I'm saying is that the "hands off" philosophy has moral implications of its own that should be considered and reckoned with. Nobody has the slightest idea what these people are doing on their own time. They might as well be practicing human sacrifice. We would never know the better. Their callus attitude toward killing outsiders is certainly not a good indicator.

What about disease that they aren't isolated from? What about death in childbirth? Infant mortality? Cancer, heart disease...and so on. On what moral basis do we play the inverse of God and say we have no responsibility to alleviate suffering? These are not animals; they're humans. The fact that their numbers are dwindling would indicate that there is great tragic suffering happening, and for one reason or other, they (and we) are under the delusion that they're better off sliding into oblivion.

This is all very morally questionable to me. At very least, there should be some discussion, not the blind acceptance from decades ago that the ethically correct course is a hands-off policy.

[Hunt]

Several commenters on Pharyngula (and, I'm sad to say, on WEIT) have gone so far as to say Chau deserved to die, and PZ, by not challenging them, tacitly seems to agree. But think of it: they believe the desires of a people must be respected above all else. Do they know what goes on there? Hell no. It could be a patriarchy that practices slavery and sacrifice and kills the sick and elderly. They don't know otherwise.

This is exactly the insane PoMo moral relativism Harris railed against in The Moral Landscape. Remember in his preface how he conjured up a thought experiment about tolerating "Every third must die" (child sacrifice) and proposed it to some academic nutjob, and she agreed!

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Party in Paris!

[Kirbmarc]

I wouldn't say wipe them out, even in the figurative sense of evacuating their islands. What I'm saying is that the "hands off" philosophy has moral implications of its own that should be considered and reckoned with. Nobody has the slightest idea what these people are doing on their own time. They might as well be practicing human sacrifice. We would never know the better. Their callus attitude toward killing outsiders is certainly not a good indicator.

What about disease that they aren't isolated from? What about death in childbirth? Infant mortality? Cancer, heart disease...and so on. On what moral basis do we play the inverse of God and say we have no responsibility to alleviate suffering? These are not animals; they're humans. The fact that their numbers are dwindling would indicate that there is great tragic suffering happening, and for one reason or other, they (and we) are under the delusion that they're better off sliding into oblivion.

This is all very morally questionable to me. At very least, there should be some discussion, not the blind acceptance from decades ago that the ethically correct course is a hands-off policy.

There's a very pragmatic issue why it's better to leave them alone. They don't have anti-bodies for any kind of disease that are common in the world. You'd land on the island in sterile hazmat suits and to somehow capture all of them and pump them up with vaccinations and antibiotics before any kind of unexposed contact with the outside world. And even that might not be sufficient. Exposure to a single pathogen they're not immune to could easily wipe them out. They could die because of a cold.

This has happened many times before. The biggest cause of deaths among indigenous populations in the Americas were BY FAR European diseases.

I agree that moral relativism is very dumb. But it's practically impossible to do anything meaningful in this case. The population is already dying off due to isolation (which likely means a huge deal of inbreeding) and any exposure to pathogens might easily wipe them out.

[DrokkIt]

I don't understand:

What's your problem with Blaire? She wants to stop hormone therapy in order to increase her fertility and hopefully have kids. Sounds like the smart way to do it.

And if you want to go after Trans*, I'd expect Blaire to be one of the less likely targets out there.

I have no problem with Blaire White as such, aside from I find her vacuous and extremely annoying, It's all fake and showy tits and she gets a free pass only because she's not a left wing loony tunes like the rest of the internet trannies. If that's how she/he wants to live her life then so be it I just don't go along with this 'Woman trapped in a man's body' crap, I never have, I can recognise that people have a mental issue with themselves and feel happier living as a female but at the end of the day they're just effeminate gay men who like to dress up and pretend to be a woman. As Brive alluded to, if she hadn't filled her system with hormonal toxins then she wouldn't be worrying now if she can father a child. And that's another thing, doesn't anyone think of the kids any more, growing up with daddy and tranny's going to be a barrel of fun right? We're heading for a future with some seriously mixed up kids IMO.
Call me a 'Transphobe' or a 'Dinosaur' I really don't care, I just don't believe in Transgenderism, I think it's all bullshit.

Why stop there? Surely 'gayness' can also easily be denied as real on basis on one's belief as well? "

[Hunt]

I wouldn't say wipe them out, even in the figurative sense of evacuating their islands. What I'm saying is that the "hands off" philosophy has moral implications of its own that should be considered and reckoned with. Nobody has the slightest idea what these people are doing on their own time. They might as well be practicing human sacrifice. We would never know the better. Their callus attitude toward killing outsiders is certainly not a good indicator.

What about disease that they aren't isolated from? What about death in childbirth? Infant mortality? Cancer, heart disease...and so on. On what moral basis do we play the inverse of God and say we have no responsibility to alleviate suffering? These are not animals; they're humans. The fact that their numbers are dwindling would indicate that there is great tragic suffering happening, and for one reason or other, they (and we) are under the delusion that they're better off sliding into oblivion.

This is all very morally questionable to me. At very least, there should be some discussion, not the blind acceptance from decades ago that the ethically correct course is a hands-off policy.

There's a very pragmatic issue why it's better to leave them alone. They don't have anti-bodies for any kind of disease that are common in the world. You'd land on the island in sterile hazmat suits and to somehow capture all of them and pump them up with vaccinations and antibiotics before any kind of unexposed contact with the outside world. And even that might not be sufficient. Exposure to a single pathogen they're not immune to could easily wipe them out. They could die because of a cold.

This has happened many times before. The biggest cause of deaths among indigenous populations in the Americas were BY FAR European diseases.

I agree that moral relativism is very dumb. But it's practically impossible to do anything meaningful in this case. The population is already dying off due to isolation (which likely means a huge deal of inbreeding) and any exposure to pathogens might easily wipe them out.

You're probably right, tho much of that can be averted with modern medicine. I'm not going to argue that we should try to make them all Wall Street executives, or that their plight is anything but doomed. I just think it's rich how SJWs really go full retard when confronted with this issue. They very well may beat and rape their wives and kill the elderly (watch the video above; others note how oddly young all the Andaman islanders appear). I don't claim to know any of this is true, but they don't know it's false! They just seem clueless that there's might be any other dimension to this than colonial exploitation.

[Kirbmarc]

I wouldn't say wipe them out, even in the figurative sense of evacuating their islands. What I'm saying is that the "hands off" philosophy has moral implications of its own that should be considered and reckoned with. Nobody has the slightest idea what these people are doing on their own time. They might as well be practicing human sacrifice. We would never know the better. Their callus attitude toward killing outsiders is certainly not a good indicator.

What about disease that they aren't isolated from? What about death in childbirth? Infant mortality? Cancer, heart disease...and so on. On what moral basis do we play the inverse of God and say we have no responsibility to alleviate suffering? These are not animals; they're humans. The fact that their numbers are dwindling would indicate that there is great tragic suffering happening, and for one reason or other, they (and we) are under the delusion that they're better off sliding into oblivion.

This is all very morally questionable to me. At very least, there should be some discussion, not the blind acceptance from decades ago that the ethically correct course is a hands-off policy.

There's a very pragmatic issue why it's better to leave them alone. They don't have anti-bodies for any kind of disease that are common in the world. You'd land on the island in sterile hazmat suits and to somehow capture all of them and pump them up with vaccinations and antibiotics before any kind of unexposed contact with the outside world. And even that might not be sufficient. Exposure to a single pathogen they're not immune to could easily wipe them out. They could die because of a cold.

This has happened many times before. The biggest cause of deaths among indigenous populations in the Americas were BY FAR European diseases.

I agree that moral relativism is very dumb. But it's practically impossible to do anything meaningful in this case. The population is already dying off due to isolation (which likely means a huge deal of inbreeding) and any exposure to pathogens might easily wipe them out.

You're probably right, tho much of that can be averted with modern medicine. I'm not going to argue that we should try to make them all Wall Street executives, or that their plight is anything but doomed. I just think it's rich how SJWs really go full retard when confronted with this issue. They very well may beat and rape their wives and kill the elderly (watch the video above; others note how oddly young all the Andaman islanders appear). I don't claim to know any of this is true, but they don't know it's false! They just seem clueless that there's might be any other dimension to this than colonial exploitation.

That's because they're dumbass moral relativists who have no real principles, only "progressive stacks".

I'm skeptical that in this specific case there is a lot that can be done in practice, though.

[AndrewV69]

@Service Dog


The Crash and Burn of Dolce & Gabbana

If that link does not work the direct link to the NY Times article is here : https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/23/fash ... klash.html

[Ape+lust]

@Service Dog


The Crash and Burn of Dolce & Gabbana

If that link does not work the direct link to the NY Times article is here : https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/23/fash ... klash.html

Archive.today is usually better at extracting javascript-rendered content from websites.

http://archive.is/ssxgi

[shoutinghorse]

I don't understand:

What's your problem with Blaire? She wants to stop hormone therapy in order to increase her fertility and hopefully have kids. Sounds like the smart way to do it.

And if you want to go after Trans*, I'd expect Blaire to be one of the less likely targets out there.

I have no problem with Blaire White as such, aside from I find her vacuous and extremely annoying, It's all fake and showy tits and she gets a free pass only because she's not a left wing loony tunes like the rest of the internet trannies. If that's how she/he wants to live her life then so be it I just don't go along with this 'Woman trapped in a man's body' crap, I never have, I can recognise that people have a mental issue with themselves and feel happier living as a female but at the end of the day they're just effeminate gay men who like to dress up and pretend to be a woman. As Brive alluded to, if she hadn't filled her system with hormonal toxins then she wouldn't be worrying now if she can father a child. And that's another thing, doesn't anyone think of the kids any more, growing up with daddy and tranny's going to be a barrel of fun right? We're heading for a future with some seriously mixed up kids IMO.
Call me a 'Transphobe' or a 'Dinosaur' I really don't care, I just don't believe in Transgenderism, I think it's all bullshit.

Why stop there? Surely 'gayness' can also easily be denied as real on basis on one's belief as well? "

Rather pathetic reply seeing as I've already recognised they are effeminate gay men IMO. Which would suggest would it not that I recognise sexual preference as a human trait, I also recognise that some gay men aren't effeminate if that helps. Being gay and even having a sexual turn on for dressing as a woman are a far cry from actually believing you can become a woman which I recognise as mental illness.

[screwtape]

PZ is pitching the line they are noble savages.

But most importantly, these aren’t some brutal, primitive tribe.

And their aggressiveness is not the mark of savagery. It just that their conception of outsiders is mostly framed by some foot-faced English pervert

Let's review the evidence. They try to kill people on sight. They're known to murder people who attempt to contact them. They have an utterly callus, casual disregard for human life. So 140 years ago some jerk harassed them. Irrelevant. They're probably as close to the definition of "savage" as anyone will ever get. They're actually a fairly significant menace to any waylaid, wrecked or lost sailor or traveler who fortuitously happens upon them.

And now I'll debut my opinion that would really set anti-colonial SJWs aflame with irritation. I've never bought the "non-interferance" philosophy. We're not talking about aliens and the Prime Directive here. These are human beings. Moreover, they raise human children who have to suffer the life they impose on them. They're capable of murder for unjustifiable reasons; who knows what else goes on in their "culture".

I say forcibly integrate them into modern society post haste, and I think that would have the backing of moral analysis. They're not fucking animals in a zoo. They have a right to modern science and medicine and the inheritance of human accomplishment.

Cue SJW head explosions.

We are currently dismantling statues and renaming institutions because some people once thought they would try to help others in the way you outline. I'm not saying you're wrong (keeping a separate indigenous culture of permanent wronged-victim status and paternalistic subsidies and handouts is not treating people with the respect due to equals!) but the older I get the more I am impressed with the prevalence of unintended consequences.

[Hunt]

(keeping a separate indigenous culture of permanent wronged-victim status and paternalistic subsidies and handouts is not treating people with the respect due to equals!)

I think it even goes beyond that. What is a "hands off" policy other than creating a "preserve" not unlike an animal preserve where these people can live out their pastoral days chewing the cud. The hypocrisy is thick enough to cut with a knife. How can this not be racist? or some other "ist"? Don't these people deserve the full rights of humanity, which includes human progress?

[screwtape]

(keeping a separate indigenous culture of permanent wronged-victim status and paternalistic subsidies and handouts is not treating people with the respect due to equals!)

I think it even goes beyond that. What is a "hands off" policy other than creating a "preserve" not unlike an animal preserve where these people can live out their pastoral days chewing the cud. The hypocrisy is thick enough to cut with a knife. How can this not be racist? or some other "ist"? Don't these people deserve the full rights of humanity, which includes human progress?

Good idea for a book. We could call it 'Brave New World'.

I was referring in my quoted comment to the appalling policies we continue to follow in Canada, with, it must be said, the willing connivance of the indigenous people. But when it comes to the 'uncontacted' tribes who have no official knowledge of modern civilisation it is hard to know what to do. You are right that to leave them dying in their twenties of dental abscesses is cruel, but simply asking them whether they want some aid is also to change them irrevocably - by the time you have made friends, given gifts, learned the language and then asked the question you have already answered it yourself by changing them. I'm not some kind of Rousseau, and they are not noble savages, but I can see there is an ethical issue here and I don't know the answer. Probably best to be pragmatic and solve the issue with some nice variola-laden blankets.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Is it possible they're just a bunch of cunts?

[shoutinghorse]

(keeping a separate indigenous culture of permanent wronged-victim status and paternalistic subsidies and handouts is not treating people with the respect due to equals!)

I think it even goes beyond that. What is a "hands off" policy other than creating a "preserve" not unlike an animal preserve where these people can live out their pastoral days chewing the cud. The hypocrisy is thick enough to cut with a knife. How can this not be racist? or some other "ist"? Don't these people deserve the full rights of humanity, which includes human progress?

If there's only 50-100 (ish) left and on a tiny Island miles from anywhere then why not just leave them be, who are we to decide their outcome, they obviously fear outsiders and will attack anyone who approaches so stop interfering. With such a low population in any other animal species on earth then leaving them be would be the mantra spewed by many an eco-warrior.

Unless of course there's oil in them thar hills in which case send in the marines with flame throwers.

[Ape+lust]

Every time they meet, Blaire causes this psycho muppet to flip its shit. If he didn't look like a living Real Doll, Zinnia wouldn't give 2 craps about him. Thus, it is demonstrated that Blaire's tranny career benefits society.

https://i.imgur.com/bnOleI3.jpg

[DrokkIt]

Why stop there? Surely 'gayness' can also easily be denied as real on basis on one's belief as well? "

Rather pathetic reply seeing as I've already recognised they are effeminate gay men IMO. Which would suggest would it not that I recognise sexual preference as a human trait, I also recognise that some gay men aren't effeminate if that helps. Being gay and even having a sexual turn on for dressing as a woman are a far cry from actually believing you can become a woman which I recognise as mental illness.

As masterful an answer as that was, the question was essentially how do you know any of this?

If you "recognise" gayness is a human trait, then how is it functionally different from proclivity to want to be the other sex as a human trait? Other than you don't recognise it?

"They are just effeminate gay men" seems to be an astoundingly confident statement- how do you know it's true?

Feel free to simply insult me instead of respond though, of course.

[screwtape]

RIP Nicolas Roeg. Shall have to have a showing of Walkabout in memoriam.

[free thoughtpolice]

Screenwriter says using the term "anti-vax" is the same as using "nigger".
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing ... -to-n-word
I wonder what the S.....man thinks about this? :popcorn:

[free thoughtpolice]

Party in Paris!

Bloody violent lefties as usual.

[AndrewV69]

@Service Dog


The Crash and Burn of Dolce & Gabbana

If that link does not work the direct link to the NY Times article is here : https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/23/fash ... klash.html

Archive.today is usually better at extracting javascript-rendered content from websites.

http://archive.is/ssxgi

OK thanks! I will try and remember that.

[Bhurzum]

(keeping a separate indigenous culture of permanent wronged-victim status and paternalistic subsidies and handouts is not treating people with the respect due to equals!)

I think it even goes beyond that. What is a "hands off" policy other than creating a "preserve" not unlike an animal preserve where these people can live out their pastoral days chewing the cud. The hypocrisy is thick enough to cut with a knife. How can this not be racist? or some other "ist"? Don't these people deserve the full rights of humanity, which includes human progress?

If there's only 50-100 (ish) left and on a tiny Island miles from anywhere then why not just leave them be, who are we to decide their outcome, they obviously fear outsiders and will attack anyone who approaches so stop interfering. With such a low population in any other animal species on earth then leaving them be would be the mantra spewed by many an eco-warrior.

Unless of course there's oil in them thar hills in which case send in the marines with flame throwers.

Don't forget - it's the holy duty of Muslims to spread the religion of peace until it covers the globe! Send in the jihadi's, they'll square the place away.

Then we can brass the cunts right up.

Simples.

[AndrewV69]

(keeping a separate indigenous culture of permanent wronged-victim status and paternalistic subsidies and handouts is not treating people with the respect due to equals!)

I think it even goes beyond that. What is a "hands off" policy other than creating a "preserve" not unlike an animal preserve where these people can live out their pastoral days chewing the cud. The hypocrisy is thick enough to cut with a knife. How can this not be racist? or some other "ist"? Don't these people deserve the full rights of humanity, which includes human progress?

They have made it clear they want nothing to do with us. They have also been vigorous and consistent in prosecuting a very active expression of their decision.

Whatever their reasons for desiring zero contact, they are right because the end result of contact will be their extermination.

I see no difference between between the various reason offered as to why their wishes should be ignored. They all boil down to some variation of "it is for their own good".

[Steersman]

Screenwriter says using the term "anti-vax" is the same as using "nigger".
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing ... -to-n-word
I wonder what the S.....man thinks about this? :popcorn:

LoL. "He Who Must Not Be Named!!"

But sure a lot of people who are unclear on how definitions work, who seem - as I think Ophelia Benson suggested many moons ago - unclear on the "use-mention" concept. And who seem to think that any reference at all, even the most oblique, to a person's race is tantamount to the most egregious racism imaginable:



Shoddy and inept application of words and all that ...

[Steersman]

(keeping a separate indigenous culture of permanent wronged-victim status and paternalistic subsidies and handouts is not treating people with the respect due to equals!)

I think it even goes beyond that. What is a "hands off" policy other than creating a "preserve" not unlike an animal preserve where these people can live out their pastoral days chewing the cud. The hypocrisy is thick enough to cut with a knife. How can this not be racist? or some other "ist"? Don't these people deserve the full rights of humanity, which includes human progress?

They have made it clear they want nothing to do with us. They have also been vigorous and consistent in prosecuting a very active expression of their decision.

Whatever their reasons for desiring zero contact, they are right because the end result of contact will be their extermination.

I see no difference between between the various reason offered as to why their wishes should be ignored. They all boil down to some variation of "it is for their own good".

Not exactly an entirely untenable argument. I expect most parents, at some point in the raising of their kids, have had recourse to it in one form or another. Kind of irresponsible not to.