Naked fat black crippled dykes are hard to find...

[Brive1987]

Not within the context of post internet modern society. I under stand the 15 century environment posed some different but possibly worse challenges. Armenia in the First World War was bleak. Then there was the whole Treblinka thing .......

Really I struggle at times to maintain my sunny disposition. I don't think the issue will be settled until there is a death match.

Chicken Little - is well out of her weight class but is a battler none the less.

Pollyanna on the other hand may well be a pacifist, so her defense will be weak at best.

Seems timely then.



Just out of interest, Brittany got banned from her new alt-patreon provider for retweeting this. Something that was obviously a parody of her “MSM Barbie the Refo Burner” libel.

Even when alt-patreon eventually acknowledged the joke .... the ban remained. The boundaries of free speech are highly constrained in our liberal wunderland.

[free thoughtpolice]

There is a difference between liberal and authoritarian leftist. The same way that there is a difference between a conservative and a fascist.
Calling conservatives fascists is the sort of thing the FTB and antifa crowd do. Branding left wing extremist /authoritarian types as liberal is also dishonest.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

I actually fully agree that deplatforming various folk for political disagreements is unethical and will ultimately strengthen the causes they're trying to stifle. They're not going to actually do much damage to the alt-whatever and give credence to their victim narratives.

I have to wonder why most every (every?) major internet platform/payment/hosting site is fully left-wing. Why are their no major conservative internet infrastructure?

[Brive1987]

What I’m seeing is a weird fusion of authoritarianism within elite social thinking, media vehicles, mainstream political structures and commercial trusts. All operating within our alleged liberal democracy.

Parse that as you will. PZ is a burning example of a secular-liberal transitioning to this hybrid state. And without signing up to the black mask hard left.

[Brive1987]

I actually fully agree that deplatforming various folk for political disagreements is unethical and will ultimately strengthen the causes they're trying to stifle. They're not going to actually do much damage to the alt-whatever and give credence to their victim narratives.

I have to wonder why most every (every?) major internet platform/payment/hosting site is fully left-wing. Why are their no major conservative internet infrastructure?

I’d pursue the ‘commercially beneficial virtue signalling’ theory (within a millennial brand bubble) over the Soros argument.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Barn

Hi BarnOwl!! Great to see you. For me: I am working on getting a living donor for a liver transplant. It is very promising right now. More to follow as it becomes clearer.

Don't try to tell me you couldn't see this one cominghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp-pU8TFsg0

It may have come to my attention previously, yes.

But I find it offensive to the trans* community, and will be blocking you immediately.

*plant

[free thoughtpolice]

What I’m seeing is a weird fusion of authoritarianism within elite social thinking, media vehicles, mainstream political structures and commercial trusts. All operating within our alleged liberal democracy.

Parse that as you will. PZ is a burning example of a secular-liberal transitioning to this hybrid state. And without signing up to the black mask hard left.

He doesn't speak for many secular folks and he isn't a liberal and doesn't identify as one either as far as I've seen. You are slandering secular liberals by saying PZ is one.

[Kirbmarc]

What I’m seeing is a weird fusion of authoritarianism within elite social thinking, media vehicles, mainstream political structures and commercial trusts. All operating within our alleged liberal democracy.

Parse that as you will. PZ is a burning example of a secular-liberal transitioning to this hybrid state. And without signing up to the black mask hard left.

It's the perfect storm of a combination of outrage academia, social media, corporate media and corporations in general.

Outrage academia, or "grievance studies" as Lindsay, Boghossian and Pluckrose have called them, are all about "deconstructing" anything as racist/sexist/problematic, and about finding hot takes about how everything is oppressive or how some weird thing will solve racism. It's mostly utter garbage, but it's useful to get tenure while watching TV and labeling yourself an academic because you wrote three articles on how anal sex is associated with black people or glacier porn will cure sexism in glaciology.

Outrage academia produces some people who can't find jobs in academia, so recycle themselves as media experts, journalists, or professional bloggers/activists.

Social media are an extremely good tool for organizing outrage campaigns for professional activists: you just need memes or a hashtag, and suddenly you have thousands or tens of thousands of people yelling along with you. Controversial themes about popular things and concepts are the best way to get attention.

Corporate media not only include in their stuff lots of people who studied in outrage studies, but they THRIVE on clickbait, and there's little as good for clicks are discussions of race, gender and sexuality. Controversy sells very well in the media. Hot takes about how "popular thing X" is secretly racist/sexist/"problematic" attract LOTS of attention, so LOTS of clicks.

Megacorps who cater to the young or to families, on the other hand, need to sell "woke" merchandise and messages (think Nike, Starbucks, etc) because a) "wokeness" sells well to young, hipster-ish people who are part of their target audience and b) they want to keep things squeaky-clean, because that's how you avoid long, costly, and reputation-damaging lawsuits. Lots of corporate outlets follows the same rules: avoid any controversy and keep everything as "nice" as possible. See how the Simpsons handled the "Racist Apu" scandal. Removing the character was the smart financial move.

So you get people who think that everything is caused by the Patriarchy shouting on social media about everything is problematic, corporate media turning those shrieks into news (and money) and corporations trying their hardest to avoid being dragged down in a controversy. All megacorps care about is avoiding a public controversy, they're not really on board with the SocJus ideology. See also how James Damore was quickly fired by Google for causing a controversy, but later Google used some ideas of his memo in some of its outreach campaigns. Damore had become a potential liability so he was let go. His ideas were useful, at least in part, so they were quietly used with enough non-controversial jargon to avoid trouble.

Basically the authoritarian streak is nothing more than corporations covering their asses from an environment where saying the "wrong" thing costs time, reputation and money. The outrage ideology isn't really in charge of anything other than online outrage campaigns. No one really cares about implementing the ideas of the SocJus. All care about not letting the shrieking mob make them look like monsters online.

Case in point: Pettibone's patreon ban. While I despise Pettibone (she's a partisan hack who is spreading genuinely bad ideas) it's still easy for me to see that the likely reason why she was banned by her Patreon provider wasn't ideological, at least not directly, but a corporate practice. She retweeted a photoshop about Barbie, a trademarked property, being associated to her ideas.

A very likely scenario is that someone saw that, reported it, and the Patreon provider kicked her out rather than have Mattel riding their ass for allowing an internet nobody to smear their name.

[Kirbmarc]

Corporate media are often "woke" because "wokeness" attracts attention, and because, let's face it, lots of "woke studies" graduates become journalists. Journalism is one of the best careers you can get with a humanity/communication/woke degree, and today the clickbait model has allowed many outraged bloggers to become outraged columnists. "Woke" is controversial, and controversy sells. Incidentally the right-wing papers use the alt-right memes (and, to a lesser extent, alt-right rage bloggers) in the same way.

Megacorps aren't really ideological, but they're ruthlessly interested in keeping up an image of fake "niceness" and a squeaky-clean reputation. They find "wokeness" to be a good way to signal their virtue. Nike can use Kaepernick's face and a slogan to look virtuous while they use child labor in the third world. Starbucks can claim that they're going to hire 10,000 refugees and keep the wages of their employees down. Youtube can avoid being called a wretched hive of scum and villainy by demonetizing anything that is deemed "not suitable for advertisers". Etc.

In the world of information, reputation is everything.

The strength of the "woke" is that they cry, stomp their feet, get attention, and people use them to their advantage. They're never going to get anything done other than scream online, but online scream is good for the media and a trap to avoid for the corporate elite.

THey might call themselves "socialists" but they're really only corporate tools, in many different sense of the word.

[Kirbmarc]

"Wokeness" is also used in politics as a substitute for actual political content. No need to tackle wage issues, or healthcare, if you can signal hard enough how virtuous you are. You can make shady deals with corporate powers and still present yourself as a "leftist" as long as you speak the right language and are ready to implement some identity-based cheap rule to make the wokes happy (see, for example, Title IX and the "Dear Colleague" letter). People who think that the US are a Patriarchy that needs to be smashed will vote for you, along with minority groups which think you're their only choice because the other party is the Racist Party.

It's the same thing that the GOP used to do with "family values", and which now Trump does with "America first". They're empty placeholders, that inform politics lacking any actual plan or strategy. They're mostly useful as a political football to motivate voters. Make some noise about outlawing abortion and the alleged "war on Christmas" and you can make as many deals with your corrupt cronies as you want. Shout about building a wall and making Mexico pay for it and you can get away with graft and nepotism on an unprecedented scale. Not to mention getting rid of pesky agencies that might control that you're following expensive rules, or getting tax cuts.

People who think that every sperm is sacred, or that Obama was a secret muslim, will vote for you in droves.

Ideologies are often little more than tools for corporate interests/cronyism these days. The last thing the "wokes" want is to solve issues, because that reduces the chances to rant about AmeriKKKa. The last thing the GOP wants is to actually get rid of abortion, because how can you motivate some poor religious rubes to vote for the party of the 1% otherwise? And the last thing Trumps want is people who actually hold him accountable for his promises. Blaming the media or Soros works as an excellent distraction.

Between the Dems and the GOP, though, the Dems have at least SOME ideas about SOME viable reforms, even if it's all swamped by the Woke Virtue-Signalling in the media. And as Obama or Sanders have shown they can sometimes tone down the rhetoric if it's not working to get votes. And, you know, the economic, healthcare and environmental policies of the Dems seem to mostly make sense.

The GOP, on the other hand, is thoroughly the Party of Trump and his lolcows by now. They have no economic policy except "Trumped up trickle down" (one of the few effects zingers that Clinton had in her debate, credit where credit is due). They have no environmental policy except gutting the EPA and getting "beautiful, clean coal". They have no principles except the Cult of Trump and scaremongering about an invasion/replacement scheme by the left. They're a bunch of incompetent buffoons who are only good at lining their pockets with corporate support.

[free thoughtpolice]

[Kirbmarc]

The right is FUBAR, because it's little more than identitarian scaremongering, cult of personality, angry rants, memes to "tribber libs" and deals with corporate cronies.

The left is also pretty fucked up because of the SocJus and the neoliberal corporate cronyism, but at least beyond the idiotic "culture wars" there's room to discuss real issues. Hopefully once Trump is gone, and his brand of politics as "triggering the libs" goes with him, the left can be refocused on wages, environment, healthcare instead of discussing whether Halloween costumes are racist.

[Brive1987]

I’m scenting the stench of “no true Scotsman liberal”

I’m seeing an immediate uncontrolled escalation into walls of text - which stifle repartee and kills the conversation.

I’m see Kirb making bullshit up about trademarks when the provider specifically said why they banned Pettibone (hint it wasn’t from fear of Mattel).

In short I see another day on the Pit.

[Brive1987]

What I’m seeing is a weird fusion of authoritarianism within elite social thinking, media vehicles, mainstream political structures and commercial trusts. All operating within our alleged liberal democracy.

Parse that as you will. PZ is a burning example of a secular-liberal transitioning to this hybrid state. And without signing up to the black mask hard left.

He doesn't speak for many secular folks and he isn't a liberal and doesn't identify as one either as far as I've seen. You are slandering secular liberals by saying PZ is one.

Agreed - as at now.

PZ identifies as a “lefty”. Whatever that may be. He is nervous that “classical liberalism” means freeze peach.

This is what I mean by authoritarian liberalism. He wants the freedom of the individual to be at the centre of politics. Especially that freedom retarded by a lack of privilege. He wants the government to protect the weak and for it to remove inequitable obstacles in the pursuit of happiness. He recognises that government is a necessary evil. He is a liberal.

But. He also wants his opponents to be stomped on until they cease making strange gurgling noises. Just so long as it’s someone else who gets their boots wet. He would ban Pettibone in an instant in the name of defended liberalism.

[Keating]

The pit is full of NPCs and Russian bots.

[free thoughtpolice]

What I’m seeing is a weird fusion of authoritarianism within elite social thinking, media vehicles, mainstream political structures and commercial trusts. All operating within our alleged liberal democracy.

Parse that as you will. PZ is a burning example of a secular-liberal transitioning to this hybrid state. And without signing up to the black mask hard left.

He doesn't speak for many secular folks and he isn't a liberal and doesn't identify as one either as far as I've seen. You are slandering secular liberals by saying PZ is one.

Agreed - as at now.

PZ identifies as a “lefty”. Whatever that may be. He is nervous that “classical liberalism” means freeze peach.

This is what I mean by authoritarian liberalism. He wants the freedom of the individual to be at the centre of politics. Especially that freedom retarded by a lack of privilege. He wants the government to protect the weak and for it to remove inequitable obstacles in the pursuit of happiness. He recognises that government is a necessary evil. He is a liberal.

But. He also wants his opponents to be stomped on until they cease making strange gurgling noises. Just so long as it’s someone else who gets their boots wet. He would ban Pettibone in an instant in the name of defended liberalism.

The root definition of liberalism is freedom. Authoritarian liberalism is a oxymoron.
I am a liberal. I don't agree with PZ.

[Lsuoma]

If she ever fucks up a trick and needs to take a Mulligan, is that a Didga-redo?

[free thoughtpolice]

I had a really cool cat that would do tricks, not as impressive as this guy.

[Brive1987]

The root definition of liberalism is freedom. Authoritarian liberalism is a oxymoron.
I am a liberal. I don't agree with PZ.

It shows the compromising spectrum caused by real politik on theoretical constructs. Your liberalism is not that we are seeing being applied.

It’s like the ‘democratic fascism’ people are apparently seeing in AfD.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

The pit is full of NPCs and Russian bots.

I am here to view the 123-meter spires.

[free thoughtpolice]

The root definition of liberalism is freedom. Authoritarian liberalism is a oxymoron.
I am a liberal. I don't agree with PZ.

It shows the compromising spectrum caused by real politik on theoretical constructs. Your liberalism is not that we are seeing being applied.

It’s like the ‘democratic fascism’ people are apparently seeing in AfD.

Sorry Brive. Your pedantic assault on the truth shall not prevail, to use a Churchillian phrase.

It shows the compromising spectrum caused by real politik on theoretical constructs.

I believe that you are trying to make a real point here, but I guess I'm just to ignorant to find it among the Steersisms.

Your liberalism is not that we are seeing being applied.

Another painfully worded statement, which I gather means you disagree with my definition of liberalism.
SJWs don't usually identify with liberals. The semi moderate ones call themselves progressives and the more extreme ones go activist. Liberal as a derogatory label, at least from a North American perspective came out in the 1970s and 80s where Republican operatives like Atwater and Gingrich came up with the strategies of "talking points" and defining your "opponents" .
What reason do you have to use "liberal" to define people you don't agree with like PZ when they don't even label themselves as such? To me it makes you look like as someone that likes to parrot it as an insult when you don't seem to understand the meaning of the word.

[Brive1987]

The root definition of liberalism is freedom. Authoritarian liberalism is a oxymoron.
I am a liberal. I don't agree with PZ.

It shows the compromising spectrum caused by real politik on theoretical constructs. Your liberalism is not that we are seeing being applied.

It’s like the ‘democratic fascism’ people are apparently seeing in AfD.

Sorry Brive. Your pedantic assault on the truth shall not prevail, to use a Churchillian phrase.

It shows the compromising spectrum caused by real politik on theoretical constructs.

I believe that you are trying to make a real point here, but I guess I'm just to ignorant to find it among the Steersisms.

Your liberalism is not that we are seeing being applied.

Another painfully worded statement, which I gather means you disagree with my definition of liberalism.
SJWs don't usually identify with liberals. The semi moderate ones call themselves progressives and the more extreme ones go activist. Liberal as a derogatory label, at least from a North American perspective came out in the 1970s and 80s where Republican operatives like Atwater and Gingrich came up with the strategies of "talking points" and defining your "opponents" .
What reason do you have to use "liberal" to define people you don't agree with like PZ when they don't even label themselves as such? To me it makes you look like as someone that likes to parrot it as an insult when you don't seem to understand the meaning of the word.

Because you apparently have the reading comprehension of a 5 year old, I will spell out “shut up you are being fucking stupid” in pictures.

http://i.imgur.com/AzzgXWE.jpg

[free thoughtpolice]

Because you apparently have the reading comprehension of a 5 year old, I will spell out “shut up you are being fucking stupid” in pictures.

You said it all.

[Brive1987]

Because you apparently have the reading comprehension of a 5 year old, I will spell out “shut up you are being fucking stupid” in pictures.

You said it all.

You know I wrote that with a friendly grin.

[free thoughtpolice]

[AndrewV69]

The pit is full of NPCs and Russian bots.

Нет. Теперь заткнись.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Did...did the Pit die?

[Kirbmarc]

Did...did the Pit die?

It's resting. Pining for the Shermans.

[shoutinghorse]

Did...did the Pit die?

Not dead but still on the mile maybe, I believe we have Ape & his shoops to thank for an 11th hr reprieve.

[free thoughtpolice]

Because you apparently have the reading comprehension of a 5 year old, I will spell out “shut up you are being fucking stupid” in pictures.

You said it all.

You know I wrote that with a friendly grin.

Actually, I didn't know that was friendly.
As for the "Godless Liberal" thing. Maybe you have considered by now that it isn't how PZ self identifies, but what he thinks his religious opponents call him.
As for my reading comprehension, I guess I could change your mind about it if I started writing awkward, unnecessarily pedantic sentences to impress you, but I perceive people that do that are just pretending to be smarter than they are because they think that's how smart people communicate and I don't want to be one of those folks.

[free thoughtpolice]

This should elevate the mood here.
http://archive.is/K4vOD
PZ writes:

One other thing I’m going to be missing is the start of our big legal fundraiser. Skepticon will be putting out a call later today, as will The Orbit, because we just got a big bill from our lawyer, and let me tell you, my heart stopped when I saw all those zeroes, and then it tried to crawl up my throat, muttering threats and imprecations against that petty weasel, Richard Carrier. I think it was ready to bounce all the way to Ohio and choke an unemployed bible scholar, but I told it I needed it and wrestled it back into my chest, where it now rests sullenly. Carrier can thank my cardio-pulmonary needs that there isn’t a small, black, grisly lump of meat pounding on his door right now. Trick or treat, m_____f_____.

He needs a moderator to encourage him to not write such violent, hateful imagery. :lol:

[John D]

This should elevate the mood here.
http://archive.is/K4vOD
PZ writes:

One other thing I’m going to be missing is the start of our big legal fundraiser. Skepticon will be putting out a call later today, as will The Orbit, because we just got a big bill from our lawyer, and let me tell you, my heart stopped when I saw all those zeroes, and then it tried to crawl up my throat, muttering threats and imprecations against that petty weasel, Richard Carrier. I think it was ready to bounce all the way to Ohio and choke an unemployed bible scholar, but I told it I needed it and wrestled it back into my chest, where it now rests sullenly. Carrier can thank my cardio-pulmonary needs that there isn’t a small, black, grisly lump of meat pounding on his door right now. Trick or treat, m_____f_____.

He needs a moderator to encourage him to not write such violent, hateful imagery. :lol:

Listening to PZ sputter and cry makes me laugh. It makes me feel like the identity politics we are suffering with can eventually be defeated.

[Kirbmarc]

This should elevate the mood here.
http://archive.is/K4vOD
PZ writes:

One other thing I’m going to be missing is the start of our big legal fundraiser. Skepticon will be putting out a call later today, as will The Orbit, because we just got a big bill from our lawyer, and let me tell you, my heart stopped when I saw all those zeroes, and then it tried to crawl up my throat, muttering threats and imprecations against that petty weasel, Richard Carrier. I think it was ready to bounce all the way to Ohio and choke an unemployed bible scholar, but I told it I needed it and wrestled it back into my chest, where it now rests sullenly. Carrier can thank my cardio-pulmonary needs that there isn’t a small, black, grisly lump of meat pounding on his door right now. Trick or treat, m_____f_____.

He needs a moderator to encourage him to not write such violent, hateful imagery. :lol:

Ahahah he wants SO MUCH to be an internet tough guy and can't even bring himself to write "motherfucker".

Molluscs Feeler vs Semen Thrower: whoever wins, we lulz.

[Brive1987]

Because you apparently have the reading comprehension of a 5 year old, I will spell out “shut up you are being fucking stupid” in pictures.

You said it all.

You know I wrote that with a friendly grin.

Actually, I didn't know that was friendly.
As for the "Godless Liberal" thing. Maybe you have considered by now that it isn't how PZ self identifies, but what he thinks his religious opponents call him.
As for my reading comprehension, I guess I could change your mind about it if I started writing awkward, unnecessarily pedantic sentences to impress you, but I perceive people that do that are just pretending to be smarter than they are because they think that's how smart people communicate and I don't want to be one of those folks.

You have clearly never tried to pack in ideas into a confined sentence. You also appear to need anger management lessons. Put down your rotting bone and accept more wholesome treats.

......

The idea that PZ hasn’t worn the label “godless liberal” like a medal is a long bow indeed. :lol: It’s part of his anti-hero bat persona.

[Bhurzum]

The pit is full of NPCs and Russian bots.

It's the goats I'd be worried about...

[Steersman]

The root definition of liberalism is freedom. Authoritarian liberalism is a oxymoron.
I am a liberal. I don't agree with PZ.

It shows the compromising spectrum caused by real politik on theoretical constructs. Your liberalism is not that we are seeing being applied.

It’s like the ‘democratic fascism’ people are apparently seeing in AfD.

Sorry Brive. Your pedantic assault on the truth shall not prevail, to use a Churchillian phrase.

It shows the compromising spectrum caused by real politik on theoretical constructs.

I believe that you are trying to make a real point here, but I guess I'm just to ignorant to find it among the Steersisms.

Your liberalism is not that we are seeing being applied.

Another painfully worded statement, which I gather means you disagree with my definition of liberalism.

SJWs don't usually identify with liberals. The semi moderate ones call themselves progressives and the more extreme ones go activist. Liberal as a derogatory label, at least from a North American perspective came out in the 1970s and 80s where Republican operatives like Atwater and Gingrich came up with the strategies of "talking points" and defining your "opponents" .

What reason do you have to use "liberal" to define people you don't agree with like PZ when they don't even label themselves as such? To me it makes you look like as someone that likes to parrot it as an insult when you don't seem to understand the meaning of the word.

LoL - "Steersisms". You mean quoting dictionaries?

Although I tend to agree with your later "awkward, unnecessarily pedantic sentences" as a criticism of Brive; I mean "the compromising spectrum caused by real politik on theoretical constructs" has take the cake in that department - "full of sound & fury, signifying nothing".

But, more generally (plenty of blame to go around), I don't think many people, if not most people, get that their "arguments" are frequently little better than "subjective narratives", particularly when they don't define what the terms they use actually mean by reference to some actual facts; hardly better than theological blather. Which is why I have frequent recourse to the dictionary - and to the "Point-Reason-Example-Summary" [PRES] framework for my arguments.

And which is also largely why I wrote a Mathematica program on Sudoku - readily downloadable and easily installable, similar to PDFs with Adobe's PDF Reader - to illustrate the "paradigms" of logic & inference. And also the classic, reductio ad absurdum.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

This should elevate the mood here.
http://archive.is/K4vOD
PZ writes:

One other thing I’m going to be missing is the start of our big legal fundraiser. Skepticon will be putting out a call later today, as will The Orbit, because we just got a big bill from our lawyer, and let me tell you, my heart stopped when I saw all those zeroes, and then it tried to crawl up my throat, muttering threats and imprecations against that petty weasel, Richard Carrier. I think it was ready to bounce all the way to Ohio and choke an unemployed bible scholar, but I told it I needed it and wrestled it back into my chest, where it now rests sullenly. Carrier can thank my cardio-pulmonary needs that there isn’t a small, black, grisly lump of meat pounding on his door right now. Trick or treat, m_____f_____.

He needs a moderator to encourage him to not write such violent, hateful imagery. :lol:

And yes, folks, he does indeed come over all coy at the end with that censored "motherfucker". For such a tough guy, he really is a pussy when it comes down to it. Makes me think he should move back to Washington state as he keeps bleating about, he'd fit right in shouting things at cops who have to stand there and take it.

[Brive1987]

What a load of crap.

You have nice unicorn rainbow theories. Like liberalism.
You try and apply them in the real world which demands compromises. Realpolitik.
You end up with a spectrum of RL application - formed around which compromises are adopted.
This spectrum is a flawed delivery of the base idea.

When the flaws are point out, you end up with a repetitive “no true Scotsman” defence. As rolled out by Freethought.

Simple. And fairly self-evident.

I could reword my original sentence into something more wordy. But the message is there. A spectrum of application, the impact of realpolitik and divergence from the base theoretical construct.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

What a load of crap.

You have nice unicorn rainbow theories. Like liberalism.
You try and apply them in the real world which demands compromises. Realpolitik.
You end up with a spectrum of RL application - formed around which compromises are adopted.
This spectrum is a flawed delivery of the base idea.

When the flaws are point out, you end up with a repetitive “no true Scotsman” defence. As rolled out by Freethought.

Simple. And fairly self-evident.

I could reword my original sentence into something more wordy. But the message is there. A spectrum of application, the impact of realpolitik and divergence from the base theoretical construct.

All sound and fury, signifying nothing. Keep it to the political threads, or the bickering will likely be the end of the Slymepit.

[Brive1987]

Where were you when Kirb was writing his walls of text up-thread? You’ve always been very selective mandating who gets a say on given topics. :lol:

If the Pit closes, team CFB-FTP-Kirb will get a dedicated chapter labeled “Applied toxicity”.

[Steersman]

What a load of crap.

You have nice unicorn rainbow theories. Like liberalism.
You try and apply them in the real world which demands compromises. Realpolitik.
You end up with a spectrum of RL application - formed around which compromises are adopted.
This spectrum is a flawed delivery of the base idea.

When the flaws are point out, you end up with a repetitive “no true Scotsman” defence. As rolled out by Freethought.

Simple. And fairly self-evident.

As it's "fairly self-evident" that Allah is the Grand High Poohbah of the Universe and that Mohammed [piss be upon him, and on his psychotic rape-manual Quran] is his prophet?

Looks like all you've got there - with your "rainbow theories" and "flawed delivery" is a bunch of ipse dixits, and undefined terms. That you apparently think mean something, and that should be seen as the gospel truth.

I could reword my original sentence into something more wordy. But the message is there. A spectrum of application, the impact of realpolitik and divergence from the base theoretical construct.

Yes, you could. And you could also read that Quillette article on subjective narratives, although I doubt you will, as it has some relevance, although I doubt you're willing to consider that either. But if you do then for bonus points you might also read my Medium article, Horns of a Dilemma: Tyrannies of the Subjective and Objective Narratives; the embedded cartoon is also of some relevance.

But you could also try quoting my comments for clarity and reference.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

Where were you when Kirb was writing his walls of text up-thread? You’ve always been very selective mandating who gets a say on given topics. :lol:

If the Pit closes, team CFB-FTP-Kirb will get a dedicated chapter labeled “Applied toxicity”.

You continue posting your political stances here, forcing people to answer you here or have this become a maga subreddit. You have been asked by many posters not to, from Matt, Phil, so many others. Have a little courtesy.

[free thoughtpolice]

Behold Mekkadeath!

[Tigzy]

This should elevate the mood here.
http://archive.is/K4vOD
PZ writes:

One other thing I’m going to be missing is the start of our big legal fundraiser. Skepticon will be putting out a call later today, as will The Orbit, because we just got a big bill from our lawyer, and let me tell you, my heart stopped when I saw all those zeroes, and then it tried to crawl up my throat, muttering threats and imprecations against that petty weasel, Richard Carrier. I think it was ready to bounce all the way to Ohio and choke an unemployed bible scholar, but I told it I needed it and wrestled it back into my chest, where it now rests sullenly. Carrier can thank my cardio-pulmonary needs that there isn’t a small, black, grisly lump of meat pounding on his door right now. Trick or treat, m_____f_____.

He needs a moderator to encourage him to not write such violent, hateful imagery. :lol:

Consider it elevated.

Now that's the stuff. That's more like it.

Even better is that Catpeezle's lawyer is a total bro. :D

[MarcusAu]

Spectrum is Green!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW8bGwx8TVQ

[Hunt]

This should elevate the mood here.
http://archive.is/K4vOD
PZ writes:

One other thing I’m going to be missing is the start of our big legal fundraiser. Skepticon will be putting out a call later today, as will The Orbit, because we just got a big bill from our lawyer, and let me tell you, my heart stopped when I saw all those zeroes, and then it tried to crawl up my throat, muttering threats and imprecations against that petty weasel, Richard Carrier. I think it was ready to bounce all the way to Ohio and choke an unemployed bible scholar, but I told it I needed it and wrestled it back into my chest, where it now rests sullenly. Carrier can thank my cardio-pulmonary needs that there isn’t a small, black, grisly lump of meat pounding on his door right now. Trick or treat, m_____f_____.

He needs a moderator to encourage him to not write such violent, hateful imagery. :lol:

If you look at his donation page, there's still enough of the Horde left to cough up quite a bit of cash. One guy came up with $1000. Now that's commitment.

I can kind of sympathize with poor PZ (poor, poor PZ...). There is a particular horror about having your accounts drained by a litigious creep. My brother lost $6000 to a career litigious scam artist. Once the guy won (in collusion with the judge, I'm quite sure), he levied my brother's bank account, something lots of people are unaware can happen. Once you've got a monetary judgement against you, all your assets are vulnerable.

Yes, it's all fun and games until you have to come up with the loot. PZ et al.'s fatal misstep was to pick a guy who could actually see a profit in litigating against them. Shermer saw that it was a losing proposition, but Carrier was a different story. There's a lesson in there somewhere, don't fuck with desperate people.

[Hunt]

It's going to be really bad for poor Peez if Carrier wins anything like his proposed settlement. If that happens... no blog posts, no silly banter. Just dead silence and searing red hot hatred that never ends.

[Brive1987]

Where were you when Kirb was writing his walls of text up-thread? You’ve always been very selective mandating who gets a say on given topics. :lol:

If the Pit closes, team CFB-FTP-Kirb will get a dedicated chapter labeled “Applied toxicity”.

You continue posting your political stances here, forcing people to answer you here or have this become a maga subreddit. You have been asked by many posters not to, from Matt, Phil, so many others. Have a little courtesy.

You will note I have been active on the specialised silos. But as you are also aware ‘everything is political’. Are you going to police all of our freeze peach? Or just the stuff you disagree with? I note the Overton window and PZ’s descent into a post-liberal mindset is apparently verboten.

A list of CFB approved thread topics may be in order eh wot? Have a chat with FTP + Kirb and maybe table a draft? :mrgreen:

[CommanderTuvok]

This should elevate the mood here.
http://archive.is/K4vOD
PZ writes:

One other thing I’m going to be missing is the start of our big legal fundraiser. Skepticon will be putting out a call later today, as will The Orbit, because we just got a big bill from our lawyer, and let me tell you, my heart stopped when I saw all those zeroes, and then it tried to crawl up my throat, muttering threats and imprecations against that petty weasel, Richard Carrier. I think it was ready to bounce all the way to Ohio and choke an unemployed bible scholar, but I told it I needed it and wrestled it back into my chest, where it now rests sullenly. Carrier can thank my cardio-pulmonary needs that there isn’t a small, black, grisly lump of meat pounding on his door right now. Trick or treat, m_____f_____.

He needs a moderator to encourage him to not write such violent, hateful imagery. :lol:

PZ and the rest of the Orbit/FTB crazies facign a LARGE legal bill, and no doubt Carrier must be facing one too.

I now need a new pair of underpants.

[some guy]

Black face: always racist? Or okay if you are altering your skin tone to match the character of your costume?

Discuss.

[free thoughtpolice]

Tuvok wrote:

PZ and the rest of the Orbit/FTB crazies facign a LARGE legal bill, and no doubt Carrier must be facing one too.

I now need a new pair of underpants.

Fortunately for PZ and unfortunately for Dr. Carrier, Carrier had his tubes tied and lost out on the lucrative sperm trade and will likely be having problems with his legal bills.
:rimshot:

[free thoughtpolice]

Also kd how have you been?

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

It's going to be really bad for poor Peez if Carrier wins anything like his proposed settlement. If that happens... no blog posts, no silly banter. Just dead silence and searing red hot hatred that never ends.

Has anybody been following this on PACER? I can't imagine that Carrier would win, as badly as I want to see Little Paul spanked for his constant defamation. I'd also like to know how a couch-surfing loser like Carrier can afford this kind of legal representation.

[Ape+lust]

Consider it elevated.

Now that's the stuff. That's more like it.

Even better is that Catpeezle's lawyer is a total bro. :D

Remember when Peez claimed Radford hired a lawyer so rancid that Stollznow was having trouble finding one willing to deal with him?

It's hard to believe no one kicked him out of the thread for jabbering like a 3-year-old.

:lol:

Gosh, how fanciful would Peez have gotten if Radford hired someone whose other client was an avowed Nazi? :think:

https://i.imgur.com/lcaX9W8.png

[TheMudbrooker]

This should elevate the mood here.
http://archive.is/K4vOD
PZ writes:

One other thing I’m going to be missing is the start of our big legal fundraiser. Skepticon will be putting out a call later today, as will The Orbit, because we just got a big bill from our lawyer, and let me tell you, my heart stopped when I saw all those zeroes, and then it tried to crawl up my throat, muttering threats and imprecations against that petty weasel, Richard Carrier. I think it was ready to bounce all the way to Ohio and choke an unemployed bible scholar, but I told it I needed it and wrestled it back into my chest, where it now rests sullenly. Carrier can thank my cardio-pulmonary needs that there isn’t a small, black, grisly lump of meat pounding on his door right now. Trick or treat, m_____f_____.

He needs a moderator to encourage him to not write such violent, hateful imagery. :lol:

And yes, folks, he does indeed come over all coy at the end with that censored "motherfucker". For such a tough guy, he really is a pussy when it comes down to it. Makes me think he should move back to Washington state as he keeps bleating about, he'd fit right in shouting things at cops who have to stand there and take it.

No doubt he's worried it would be considered cultural appropriation.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpzJx1Bq4Vk
Besides, he just doesn't pack the gear to do it convincingly.

[Keating]

Where were you when Kirb was writing his walls of text up-thread? You’ve always been very selective mandating who gets a say on given topics. :lol:

If the Pit closes, team CFB-FTP-Kirb will get a dedicated chapter labeled “Applied toxicity”.

You continue posting your political stances here, forcing people to answer you here or have this become a maga subreddit. You have been asked by many posters not to, from Matt, Phil, so many others. Have a little courtesy.

Eh, I've never minded having political discussions in the main thread. The main thing that bugs me is how few people are prepared to address the issues honestly.

We could probably all do with a refresher of Jonathan Haidt's work. Peterson is also trying to address the underlying problem. The political disagreements come down to differences in our moral axioms.

[Ape+lust]

Also, how the hell is everyone?

HEY BarnOwl!! It's so great to see you again :dance: :dance:

[Tigzy]

Remember when Peez claimed Radford hired a lawyer so rancid that Stollznow was having trouble finding one willing to deal with him?

It's hard to believe no one kicked him out of the thread for jabbering like a 3-year-old.

:lol:

Gosh, how fanciful would Peez have gotten if Radford hired someone whose other client was an avowed Nazi? :think:

I know Peez isn't really one for being very self-aware, but I hold out hope that he has enough awareness to really feel the burn of having to resort to the likes of Randazza in order to stave off absolute penury at the sticky hands of the spunk-slinging hobbit.

Though at this rate, abject poverty is more likely to come about via Randazza's bills.

Oh Peez. What a bind, eh? :D

[Brive1987]

Consider it elevated.

Now that's the stuff. That's more like it.

Even better is that Catpeezle's lawyer is a total bro. :D

Remember when Peez claimed Radford hired a lawyer so rancid that Stollznow was having trouble finding one willing to deal with him?

It's hard to believe no one kicked him out of the thread for jabbering like a 3-year-old.

:lol:

Gosh, how fanciful would Peez have gotten if Radford hired someone whose other client was an avowed Nazi? :think:

https://i.imgur.com/lcaX9W8.png

As well as this.

http://i.imgur.com/Xbm5ZSc.jpg

This was pre the incredibly disappearing 60K. PZ was fucking things up for his maiden and had to mop up his own vomit.

[Brive1987]

I’m not exactly sure Redfords case was going to be “she’s a slut who had to be punished”.

I think it was more along the lines of “she is a lying dangerous bitch who needs to be punished”.

Subtle difference. But it’s there.