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Re: The Refuge of the Toads

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Post by Kirbmarc » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:37 pm

deLurch wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:Just checked - Lorretta Swit is 79 years old. I'll think I'll give the appearance-shaming a pass on this occasion.
"Hotlips" is proposing an end run around a fair election of the people to get her favored candidate into the seat of power. I think it is OK to take a few potshots at her looks. And I think she deserves to hear them. She deserves to feel bad about something.
What's actually in the video is that they want both Republican and Democrats to pick a "safe" Republican candidate (probably Evan McMullin) in large enough numbers so that the Congress would then pick the "bipartisan" candidate among the three candidates with most electoral votes.

This isn't done to get Clinton elected, it's done to keep Trump out of office. I think that even if such a plan succeeded (which I really doubt: they need to convince at least 37 Republican electors not to vote for Trump) it'd lead only to countless troubles, from Trump bringing the case to the Supreme Court to tensions in society, especially among Trump supporters.

While what those people are trying to promote is legal, it's unprecedented and it looks a lot like a coup through legal means. I don't think it's a very good idea, even though I don't like Trump. If Clinton were in the same position and Trump tried to pull the same trick you can bet your ass that they'd scream "fascist coup!" at the top of their lungs.

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Post by Tigzy » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:53 pm

KenD wrote:
Tigzy wrote:Also, my local picture house played this ad before Rogue One, which I have to admit, did bring a bit of a lump to the throat.

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You mean it nearly made you vomit too?

http://cf.collectorsweekly.com/uploads/ ... n-dead.jpg

Humbug.
No it brought a lump to the throat because the little birdy nearly died but the kind fisherman made him better so he could fly off gay and free and have his mince pie. *sob*

But anyways - the Victorians were notably weird when it came to Xmas cards: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/christmas/0/ ... ply-weird/

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Post by Tigzy » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:57 pm

Dear god, this one's utterly terrifying.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/ ... nGRumA.jpg

That's Hell, right there.

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Post by Kirbmarc » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:05 pm

Tigzy wrote:Dear god, this one's utterly terrifying.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/ ... nGRumA.jpg

That's Hell, right there.
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Post by KenD » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:10 pm

John D wrote:In the good old days they used to shoot song birds as a "fun" event at Xmas time. Is that the origin of the dead bird Xmas card?
Yep. The Victorians thought killing a few birds at Christmas would bring good luck for the new year. Sending someone a picture of an avian corpse was just a cheery Christmas greeting back then.

https://ttglibrary.files.wordpress.com/ ... d-bird.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Xgd8YwnmbYU/V ... 2Bcard.jpg
https://cdn0.rubylane.com/shops/942862/ ... -46.2L.jpg

In this one I think they're out for revenge:
http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-co ... 3__700.jpg

Although I've got no fucking clue what these are about.
http://hyperallergic.com/wp-content/upl ... xmas19.jpg
https://images.newrepublic.com/ecdd5ee7 ... pi=2&h=399
http://hyperallergic.com/wp-content/upl ... istmas.jpg

They were a strange bunch the Victorians, but I suppose future assholes will be saying that about us...
John D wrote:Now a few weirdos like me go out and count birds instead of shooting them. It's called the Christmas Bird Count and it has been going on for many years. It is a way to watch what is happening with winter bird populations over time. It's not very scientific, but it has some value.

So far the SJWs have not tried to change the name to the "Holiday Bird Count", or "Solstice Bird Count"...
I've not heard of that to be honest. I have taken part in butterfly counts during the summer, but I do wonder if they're more about raising awareness than actual science.

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Post by Tigzy » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:16 pm

Seasons greetings for your gay and dusky chums.

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Post by Sunder » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:24 pm

Trump's announced his buttfuck-retarded tax plan: "Simplify" the tax code by reducing the number of brackets from 7 to 3. This will reduce the length of the tax code by amount as many words as are in this post, and his chosen rates will blow up the deficit far more than anything Bush or Obama ever did (which I must stress is not automatically gloom and doom; tax cuts for high earners may be among the least effective forms of economic stimulus, but I always cringe seeing liberals turn into deficit hawks when Republicans are in office as it only ever weakens their own case for public spending later down the line; by all means hang them by their own words and call hypocrisy but don't actually profess to believe them).

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Post by Tigzy » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:27 pm

Just tuned into the BBC World Service, and there's a programme on about Gab.ai and free speech and that. Just heard one woman - who can't pronounce her 'r's - claim that Gab's 'gween fwog logo is pwoblematic.'

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Post by MarcusAu » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:27 pm

I remember seeing this as the Liverpool Museum of Slavery.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GwEuIaWSI74/S ... C04652.JPG

Weird and strange and awful all at the same time.

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Post by InfraRedBucket » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:37 pm

MarcusAu wrote:I remember seeing this as the Liverpool Museum of Slavery.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GwEuIaWSI74/S ... C04652.JPG

Weird and strange and awful all at the same time.
Guess which one of those guys was used for target practice.

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Post by Shatterface » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:45 pm

InfraRedBucket wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:I remember seeing this as the Liverpool Museum of Slavery.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GwEuIaWSI74/S ... C04652.JPG

Weird and strange and awful all at the same time.
Guess which one of those guys was used for target practice.
Malcolm?

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Post by dog puke » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:14 pm

Shatterface wrote:
InfraRedBucket wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:I remember seeing this as the Liverpool Museum of Slavery.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GwEuIaWSI74/S ... C04652.JPG

Weird and strange and awful all at the same time.
Guess which one of those guys was used for target practice.
Malcolm?
Is he in the middle?

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Post by HoneyWagon » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:23 pm

Really? wrote:Uh oh. There's another one:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/mus ... -1.2910944
Muslim college student who claimed Trump supporters attacked her on the subway under arrest for making story up
She made it all up — and now she’s under arrest.

The Muslim college student who claimed she was harassed on the subway by three men who shouted “Donald Trump,” called her a terrorist and tried to rip her hijab off her head has admitted to detectives that she concocted the entire story, the Daily News has learned.
This is the one who disappeared for three days.
When I first saw this story yesterday, I did feel initially vindicated for being skeptical in this age of SJ related hoaxes.
I also felt angry that someone did this with the result that actual victims of hate-based crimes will have a harder time getting sympathy/help.

Then I heard that her head was shaved by her parents, not sure if before she went missing for 3 days or after she was found at that time. The story being she has a Christian boyfriend or she was with her boyfriend and the hoax story was to cover that up because she violated her curfew...an adult woman going to college was afraid of violating her curfew.

Well, it looks like her head WAS shaved by her fucking parents
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/mus ... ?cid=bitly
(They added a shaved head pic)
http://i.imgur.com/voDBi0K.jpg

I know she won't charge her parents with assault and battery, but I wish someone would.
It is almost like she is suffering under PATRIARCHY and SHAME culture. I know tumblrinas people against patriarchy will be will be right on this....


I find I am not as mad at her, but pity her, because an adult woman shouldn't have to deal with this in the US.

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Post by KiwiInOz » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:23 pm

Sunder wrote:Trump's announced his buttfuck-retarded tax plan: "Simplify" the tax code by reducing the number of brackets from 7 to 3. This will reduce the length of the tax code by amount as many words as are in this post, and his chosen rates will blow up the deficit far more than anything Bush or Obama ever did (which I must stress is not automatically gloom and doom; tax cuts for high earners may be among the least effective forms of economic stimulus, but I always cringe seeing liberals turn into deficit hawks when Republicans are in office as it only ever weakens their own case for public spending later down the line; by all means hang them by their own words and call hypocrisy but don't actually profess to believe them).
To be fair, taxation at the Federal level is not about revenue raising. It is about adjusting the supply of money in the economy, influencing who has money to spend, and controlling inflation. The Government spends money into existence, and licences the banks to create money. Expect to see inflation rocket and inequality entrench the bimodal bell curve of haves and have nots under Trump's plans.

The federal Government deficit meanwhile means that there is a shit load of money floating around in the economy available for private accumulation and use.

The States on the other hand do require taxation to function as they are not fiat producers of the US currency.

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Post by CommanderTuvok » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:31 pm

HoneyWagon wrote:Well, it looks like her head WAS shaved by her fucking parents
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/mus ... ?cid=bitly
(They added a shaved head pic)
http://i.imgur.com/voDBi0K.jpg

I know she won't charge her parents with assault and battery, but I wish someone would.
It is almost like she is suffering under PATRIARCHY and SHAME culture. I know tumblrinas people against patriarchy will be will be right on this....


I find I am not as mad at her, but pity her, because an adult woman shouldn't have to deal with this in the US.
Very little concern for her situation from the SJWs. They were so animated last week, but the abuse of her from her parents is a little problematic for them to call out.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:41 pm

She's lucky she was in the US and not back in the old country or Dad might have cut off more than her hair.

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Post by fuzzy » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:42 pm

Over on the Orb Bit, Miwi Mowgewevsky in Bwoot Weason writes the title "Yes, We Did Fail to Empathize with Conservatives" followed by e.g. "not really, ha-ha, but we need to understand how these subhumans think so we can better fix their damaged minds" for over 2500 agonizing words. http://archive.is/DeiQL

My main take-away: Her 14-year-old brother is a Trump backer and this gives her a sad but is no longer trying to correct him.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:05 pm

fuzzy wrote:Over on the Orb Bit, Miwi Mowgewevsky in Bwoot Weason writes the title "Yes, We Did Fail to Empathize with Conservatives" followed by e.g. "not really, ha-ha, but we need to understand how these subhumans think so we can better fix their damaged minds" for over 2500 agonizing words. http://archive.is/DeiQL

My main take-away: Her 14-year-old brother is a Trump backer and this gives her a sad but is no longer trying to correct him.
She is like Commander Deanna Troi, a trained empath, clearly superior to her subjects:
And because I have a relatively high empathic ability, which I train for hours each day in the course of my job, I can actually put myself right into a hypothetical conservative’s shoes and see why they’d feel what they feel given the beliefs that they have. If I had those beliefs, I would also feel (and vote) the way they do.
She understands the tribal motivations of others, but is able to transcend bias herself.
Nothing immature or arrogant about her.

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Post by KiwiInOz » Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:16 pm

CommanderTuvok wrote:
HoneyWagon wrote:Well, it looks like her head WAS shaved by her fucking parents
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/mus ... ?cid=bitly
(They added a shaved head pic)
http://i.imgur.com/voDBi0K.jpg

I know she won't charge her parents with assault and battery, but I wish someone would.
It is almost like she is suffering under PATRIARCHY and SHAME culture. I know tumblrinas people against patriarchy will be will be right on this....


I find I am not as mad at her, but pity her, because an adult woman shouldn't have to deal with this in the US.
Very little concern for her situation from the SJWs. They were so animated last week, but the abuse of her from her parents is a little problematic for them to call out.
Why? Because they are skinheads?

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Post by BarnOwl » Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:25 pm

Tigzy wrote:Dear god, this one's utterly terrifying.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/ ... nGRumA.jpg

That's Hell, right there.
It's totes owl-some.

I'd like to order 20 please, with envelopes.

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Post by fuzzy » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:21 pm

I look at those owls and see Al, Peg, Bud, and Kelly
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Post by Wild Zontargs » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:35 pm

Is this just last-chance trolling, or what? Sheriff Joe Arpaio's years-long investigation into Obama's birth certificate claims to prove it's a forgery:

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I only skimmed the video, but wouldn't the same typewriter, using the same template, put the same letters in the same locations?

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Post by Billie from Ockham » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:39 pm

free thoughtpolice wrote:
fuzzy wrote:Over on the Orb Bit, Miwi Mowgewevsky in Bwoot Weason writes the title "Yes, We Did Fail to Empathize with Conservatives" followed by e.g. "not really, ha-ha, but we need to understand how these subhumans think so we can better fix their damaged minds" for over 2500 agonizing words. http://archive.is/DeiQL

My main take-away: Her 14-year-old brother is a Trump backer and this gives her a sad but is no longer trying to correct him.
She is like Commander Deanna Troi, a trained empath, clearly superior to her subjects...
[emphasis added]

Are her tits different sizes, forcing the people who dress her to only use asymmetrical outfits?

Just askin'.

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Post by Brive1987 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:48 pm

Guess what happens if you dare press "play"?

:shock:

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:57 pm

Billie from Ockham wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:
fuzzy wrote:Over on the Orb Bit, Miwi Mowgewevsky in Bwoot Weason writes the title "Yes, We Did Fail to Empathize with Conservatives" followed by e.g. "not really, ha-ha, but we need to understand how these subhumans think so we can better fix their damaged minds" for over 2500 agonizing words. http://archive.is/DeiQL

My main take-away: Her 14-year-old brother is a Trump backer and this gives her a sad but is no longer trying to correct him.
She is like Commander Deanna Troi, a trained empath, clearly superior to her subjects...
[emphasis added]

Are her tits different sizes, forcing the people who dress her to only use asymmetrical outfits?

Just askin'.
You don't want go on record that breasts are a binary feature do you?

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Post by Lsuoma » Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:28 pm

Billie from Ockham wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:
fuzzy wrote:Over on the Orb Bit, Miwi Mowgewevsky in Bwoot Weason writes the title "Yes, We Did Fail to Empathize with Conservatives" followed by e.g. "not really, ha-ha, but we need to understand how these subhumans think so we can better fix their damaged minds" for over 2500 agonizing words. http://archive.is/DeiQL

My main take-away: Her 14-year-old brother is a Trump backer and this gives her a sad but is no longer trying to correct him.
She is like Commander Deanna Troi, a trained empath, clearly superior to her subjects...
[emphasis added]

Are her tits different sizes, forcing the people who dress her to only use asymmetrical outfits?

Just askin'.
Someone was asking at work today why the left ball is smaller than the right ball on Amazon's biodome, so I told them that we employed an architect from Devizes.

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Post by Mr. X, Indeed » Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:29 pm

Brive1987 wrote:Guess what happens if you dare press "play"?

:shock:
Is she making videos for vore fetishists now? It's an honest living at any rate.

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Post by ConcentratedH2O, OM » Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:42 pm

Brive1987 wrote:Guess what happens if you dare press "play"?

:shock:
Alcohol is a very effective lens cleaner. Usually isopropanol, however, so she really shouldn't expect much more than a headache and some vomiting. Not sure he would notice any difference from her usual days.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:43 pm

I fucking hate you guys. :twisted:
Deanna only has 2 boobs, and you reacting to differently aligned pink monsters means you shit encrusted ass pimples* will go to no limit to find fault womyn. :bjarte:

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:45 pm

[*] Caine's non ableist description of people she is righteously angry with.

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Post by ConcentratedH2O, OM » Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:47 pm

Nerd has some non-correct views. Unfortunately he will not be called out for calling homosexuals "developmental abnormalities":

http://i.imgur.com/oLPwtLM.png

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Post by Sunder » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:02 pm

"The chromosomes can be overridden by the developmental process."

Which part of the developmental process has no genetic influence exactly?

Maybe "drinking while pregnant"?

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:03 pm

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Nerd has some non-correct views. Unfortunately he will not be called out for calling homosexuals "developmental abnormalities":

http://i.imgur.com/oLPwtLM.png
Isn't Nerd the notorious homophobe? gynephobe that started by "poof" to be dismissed, then was "sloosh", disrespectful of a healthy woman having wet orgasm?

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Post by Ape+lust » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:19 pm

Brive1987 wrote:Guess what happens if you dare press "play"?

:shock:

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Post by Billie from Ockham » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:31 pm

free thoughtpolice wrote:I fucking hate you guys. :twisted:
Deanna only has 2 boobs, and you reacting to differently aligned pink monsters means you shit encrusted ass pimples* will go to no limit to find fault womyn. :bjarte:
Depending on whether you think of her left or right boob as a single or "baseline" boob, she either has 1.9 boobs or 2.11 boobs.*

* nb. - this clearly implies that boobs are not binary

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Post by ROBOKiTTY » Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:48 pm

Wild Zontargs wrote:Is this just last-chance trolling, or what? Sheriff Joe Arpaio's years-long investigation into Obama's birth certificate claims to prove it's a forgery:

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I only skimmed the video, but wouldn't the same typewriter, using the same template, put the same letters in the same locations?
OMG those comments. :doh:

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Post by The Yeti » Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:55 pm

It looks like 2016 has claimed its first celebrity death by meme:
The Eichenwald Fox News/ twitter mental breakdown is the funniest thing I've seen on the internet all year.

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Post by HunnyBunny » Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:11 pm

An early Merry Christmas folks - I'm off to France for a month. Where I will not give a single thought to Trump, Brexit or any of the other shit that has made up 2016. Good riddance to a fucked-up year.

Have a happy Crimbo everyone and here's hoping 2017 is less weird than 2016.

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Post by Brive1987 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:21 pm

Ape+lust wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Guess what happens if you dare press "play"?

:shock:
:lol: :lol: The tunnel of love.

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Post by Keating » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:15 am

Brive1987 wrote:Guess what happens if you dare press "play"?

:shock:

[tweet.][/tweet]
You're off my Christmas card list.

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Post by Hunt » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:25 am

[quote="Lsuoma"
Someone was asking at work today why the left ball is smaller than the right ball on Amazon's biodome, so I told them that we employed an architect from Devizes.

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Post by MarcusAu » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:40 am

HunnyBunny wrote:An early Merry Christmas folks - I'm off to France for a month. Where I will not give a single thought to Trump, Brexit or any of the other shit that has made up 2016. Good riddance to a fucked-up year.

Have a happy Crimbo everyone and here's hoping 2017 is less weird than 2016.
Apparently it's appropriate to have a 'Joyeux Noël' where you are going (at least according to the online translator).

Have a good one - and all the best to you and yours for the holiday season.

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Post by Kirbmarc » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:44 am

fuzzy wrote:Over on the Orb Bit, Miwi Mowgewevsky in Bwoot Weason writes the title "Yes, We Did Fail to Empathize with Conservatives" followed by e.g. "not really, ha-ha, but we need to understand how these subhumans think so we can better fix their damaged minds" for over 2500 agonizing words. http://archive.is/DeiQL

My main take-away: Her 14-year-old brother is a Trump backer and this gives her a sad but is no longer trying to correct him.
Miri fails psychology and sociology 101, part I:
Empathy means understanding what someone thinks and feels from their perspective. It doesn’t mean feeling bad for them–it’s not the same thing as sympathy. It doesn’t mean patiently debating life-or-death issues with them. It doesn’t mean coddling them or doing what they want you to. It doesn’t even mean accepting their distortions of sociopolitical reality as fact.
Outraged emphasis aside, this isn't entirely false. What Miri is referring to is cognitive empathy, i.e. the ability to understand what others think. There are other meanings of empathy that include emotional content, like emotional empathy (feeling what someone else feels on an emotional level) and somatic empathy (feeling what another person feels at a corporeal level). Miri, as someone who has studied psychology and is a therapist (I think?) should have been more clear, but this paragraph is more or less an adequate start. Let's see if Miri truly can get into the mind of the Conservative Monster.
Overwhelmingly, white Americans–at least the ones who voted for Trump–think that people of color are the cause of their economic problems, and they feel afraid of them. They think that LGBTQ people are sinful and a threat to the proper order of things, and they feel disgusted by them. They think that women are asking for more than they deserve and that women are inherently deceitful and untrustworthy, and they feel threatened by them.
Apparently not so much. This is an over-generalization, which doesn't explain why white non college-educated women voted for Trump in droves, or why people in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania voted for Obama twice but then switched to Trump, or why a non insignificant percentage of minorities voted for Trump, too. Are we supposed to think that those women and minorities all hate themselves? Are we supposed to think that a white woman like Clinton is seen as more threatening than a black man like Obama?
And when I put myself in the headspace of a white conservative, and run a simulation in my mind of their beliefs and values, their support for Trump and other Republicans makes complete sense to me. There is nothing hypocritical about it at all. There’s little evidence that they voted “against their interests,” because as much of a failure as Trump will be at improving their economic circumstances, that wasn’t the only interest they had. They were also very interested in reducing the number of people of color (especially Muslims) in the United States, maintaining Christianity as the dominant American value system, making sure that women don’t take what isn’t theirs, and preventing LGBTQ people from further corrupting American culture. They accomplished all of this and more by electing Trump.
While there are some people who voted Trump for those reasons this analysis looks incredibly superficial. It is also a massive over-generalization and over-simplification, but since Miri seems to be all about making sweeping statements and doesn't provide evidence or analyze more nuanced patters I'll let that slide.

Anyway even as a sweeping generalization it is pretty inaccurate. Trump isn't especially religious and didn't campaign on an anti-LGBTQ message. Yes, he chose Pence (notoriously very religious and anti-LGTBQ) as a running mate, but the core of Trump's appeal was on other messages (the Wall, muslim ban, anti-Hillary and anti-establishment, protectionism and isolationism).

Ignoring the economic and anti-establishment motivations of Trump voters completely only to focus on racial bias is a serious lack of cognitive empathy on Miri's part.
And sure, there are a lot more factors in this election outcome than just the specific beliefs I listed as examples. Those are some major ones, but there are others, such as “government-run programs are wasteful and harmful in general and should be reduced or eliminated” and “climate change is a hoax” and “I admire Donald Trump’s business successes and would want someone with those skills as president.” Yes, you can be a Trump supporter without being primarily concerned with, say, reducing the number and influence of people of color in America. But as others have pointed out, every Trump supporter has heard his rhetoric about people of color and women and decided that that is acceptable on some level. So yes, you’re all racist and sexist. Every last one of you.
Again you'd expect that isolationism, anti-establishment messages and protectionism would get at least a cursory mention. But clearly Miri isn't interested in really understanding the conservative mind more than she is interested in assigning collective blame.

A clinical, detached analysis of mental states can't be all about repeating how horrible the person(s) you're trying to analyze is/are. Even psychiatrists who have to understand real criminals like serial killers or rapists (and not just people with different political opinions) have to at least momentarily abandon a moral judgment in a clinical assessment in order to really understand what makes them tick. Miri seems to be terrible at that, I wouldn't recommend her as a therapist.
So how do we stop misunderstanding and underestimating right-wingers? How do we have actual empathy towards them?
Let's see. How?
1. We take them seriously.

When someone tells you who they are, believe them. Trump has been telling us who he is for decades and people still won’t believe him. “Oh, he didn’t really mean that about grabbing those women.” “He didn’t literally mean that Mexican immigrants are rapists, just that there are probably some rapists among them, like any other group.” “He’ll probably surround himself with good people once he gets to the White House.” We’re now seeing how that’s turning out.

Same with Trump’s supporters. When they say that their jobs have been taken by immigrants, they mean that that’s what they believe. You are not going to win them over unless you either manage to convince them that this deeply-held, socioculturally-reinforced belief is false (good luck with that), or you tell them that you’re going to kick all the immigrants out so they can have their jobs back.
Many–not all–Trump voters have real economic concerns. But they have chosen a fundamentally racist way of explaining the origins of those problems, and they will not accept a solution that doesn’t get at what they see as the problem.
Does this include taking those people seriously if they claim to be motivated by other reasons, like concerns about crime or about industries relocating abroad? Does this include taking Trump seriously when he chooses Nikki Haley and Elaine Cho (two non-white women) as part of his staff? Does this include taking Trump seriously when saying that he loves Mexicans? No, that's (respectively) irrelevant, tokenism and face-saving.
2. We learn to read and listen critically.

On the other hand, we can’t take people’s statements so literally and interpret them so shallowly that we fail to understand what they actually mean. When Trump supporters said that they want to get rid of all the elites in the federal government, they didn’t mean that they wanted the next president to be someone who grew up in a Rust Belt town with ordinary non-politician parents, built their own small business from the ground up, and knows what it’s like to struggle financially. When right-wingers use words like “elites,” what they typically mean is urban liberals and/or Jews. So nobody should be surprised that most Trump voters seem totally okay with his own elite status and that of the people he’s filling his administration with.
So we should take people at their word when they say bigoted things, but always try to figure out their hidden bigoted motives when they express other concerns. This isn't empathy, this is projection your own interpretation of your political rivals onto them.

If a therapist disgusted by their patient projects their feelings of disgust in the therapy the therapy will be very inefficient. If you let your biases color your sociological research will be heavily flawed. This is Psychology101 and Sociology101. Miri seems to be determined not to question her biased assumptions and to even reinforce them.
3. We understand the powerful role of tribalism and identity.

Identity politics did cost Clinton this election. Specifically, identity politics won the election for Trump. This election was won by conservative white identity politics.

For white conservatives, things like opposing immigration (of non-white people), fearing Muslims, distrusting women, being disgusted by homosexuality, and believing that government programs and other institutions unfairly favor people of color aren’t just isolated opinions, like preferring summer to winter or liking a particular brand of frozen pizza.

Rather, those are strong markers of group identity. Even when presented with strong contrary evidence, you can’t just abandon them because then you’d be like Them, not like Us. And being like Them is unspeakably awful.

I’m not saying liberals don’t have their own versions of this, by the way. They sure do. But the point is that they underestimate the role this plays in our current political situation at their peril.

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When it’s a matter of group identity, that changes. Conservatives don’t simply believe that climate change is a hoax; they really, really need to believe that climate change is a hoax. If they stop believing that climate change is a hoax, they will lose part of their sense of who they are, not to mention cause conflict with their friends and family and also start fearing that we’re all literally going to die. That’s some powerful motivation to keep believing that climate change is a hoax. Avoiding cognitive dissonance is a much stronger drive than your calm and reasoned arguments can possibly provide.
So close, and yet so far. Of all the examples that Miri could have chosen climate change is probably the one less tied to traditional conservatives values and identities. It's a recent issue and it's not tied to religious or ethnic concerns. And she's both overplaying identity issues among Trump voters (generalizing all of them as racist/sexist/bigoted) and downplaying identity issues among "leftists" (which only get a cursory mention).

Anyway she also provides some advice on how to win elections:
1. Galvanize the left-wing base so that they turn the fuck up at the polls next time.

Stop with the “voting doesn’t really matter” fucking bullshit. We’re about to find out exactly how much it mattered. This is my main aim when I write and share things about Trump, about racism, about fascism, and so on. I’m not trying to convince conservatives. I’m trying to get progressives who can vote to get the fuck out there and vote. I fucking promise you there are progressives in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and literally every other red and swing state who could have voted in this election and chose not to.

Because I don’t believe that we can convince conservatives to stop supporting Trump (or other relatively less awful but still awful politicians), I believe that our best option is to strengthen our own base so that it can defeat conservatives in elections. And not just elections, of course.

I’ve just started hosting monthly letter-writing parties to get my friends and myself to write letters to our representatives and senators. Progressives need to start doing all of this kind of shit in much greater numbers and defeat conservatives with brute strength, not, ironically, brute reason.
How can I put this...does Miri really think that everyone in the Democratic Party thought that voting didn't matter? Does she realize all the things that the Dems did to get people out to vote? Does she ask herself why many people who voted for Obama in Pennsylvania or Michigan or Wisconsin didn't get out to vote for Clinton? No, no and no. Writing letters to representatives and senators is enough.
2. Do our best to educate young people.

Of course, brute strength isn’t a perfect or sustainable solution. As I said, we could’ve avoided a Trump presidency and prevented a lot of harm that way, but the shitty ideas would still be out there, ready to strike at any time. Kinda like Obama being president didn’t end racism.

We need to keep trying to reach young people before they develop a strong tribal conservative identity. That’s very hard to do, because these identities can form early. My 14-year-old brother is a passionate Trump supporter and there’s nothing any of us can do to talk him out of it now. Maybe there could’ve been years ago. Maybe I should’ve tried. But I had no idea this was coming. Now I know exactly what can happen, and how quickly.

(Yeah, yeah, he might “grow out of it” or whatever. But that’s not going to happen through arguments with me. I already tried that.)
I have a lingering suspicion that if Miri acted the way she does when she writes her posts her behavior and arguments may have actually driven her brother to sympathize with Trump voters.

Anyway how does she suppose that progressives can "get'em when they're young"? If people at 14 are already too old to be convinced to change their mind, when is the progressive indoctrination supposed to take place? Junior high? Grade school? Infancy? I see a boatloads of problems with that.
Too much of the commentary about this election has been focused on whether or not Trump supporters are _____-ist, or whether or not you can support Trump without being _____-ist, or how it makes Trump supporters feel to be called _____-ist. For the purposes of this discussion, it doesn’t matter what you call them. They have made their opinions very clear. Are we going to listen?
So the conclusion is to think that all Trump voters are completely irredeemable, abandon all hope and damn all the sinners non-progressives to hell. Wow, brilliant "analysis" Miri! I'm so surprised you're not writing for the New York Times!

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Post by paddybrown » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:57 am

OK, watched the interview with my old school chum Beller (as he was known back then). They also interviewed Arlene Foster straight after. My takeaway from it all:

The Renewable Heat Incentive was started in 2011 when Foster was minister at the Department for Trade and Investment (DETI), the department that ran it. She says none of her civil servants ever made her aware of any of the problems of the scheme, so she never had an opportunity to do anything about it. She moved to the Department of Finance and Personnel (DFP) in May 2015, and Bell replaced her at DETI. Bell says his attention was drawn to the problems within about a month, and he attempted to reduce the amount paid, but this was delayed by interference from special advisers from the DFP and the Office of the First Minister and didn't happen until November. Foster says that November was the date that Bell proposed, and it happened just as he wanted it.

He then announced it would be shut down in January 2016, and later announced it would be kept open for a couple of extra weeks, which saw a surge of applications from businesses who wanted to get on the gravy train before it was too late. He says he was forced to do this after a heated meeting with Foster, and regrets that he went along with it and didn't resign. Foster became First Minister in January 2016, but I'm not clear whether this was before or after Bell's announcement. After the assembly elections in May, Foster remained First Minister, the various departments were reorganised, and Bell, while still a member of the assembly, was no longer a minister.

So, in brief: Foster is responsible for this scandal, but is now First Minister and protected by the system to an extent. Bell shut it down, perhaps not as quickly as he could have done once he became aware of it, and in the process fell out with Foster, his party leader, which lost him his ministerial job. He probably suspects he's going to take the fall for it and is getting his retaliation in first, dressed up in some ostentatious religiosity. Foster is claiming ignorance, despite being the minister responsible for the scheme for four years, and is damselling a bit, claiming that Bell used his "bulk" to intimidate her.

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Post by Kirbmarc » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:08 am

paddybrown wrote:OK, watched the interview with my old school chum Beller (as he was known back then). They also interviewed Arlene Foster straight after. My takeaway from it all:

The Renewable Heat Incentive was started in 2011 when Foster was minister at the Department for Trade and Investment (DETI), the department that ran it. She says none of her civil servants ever made her aware of any of the problems of the scheme, so she never had an opportunity to do anything about it. She moved to the Department of Finance and Personnel (DFP) in May 2015, and Bell replaced her at DETI. Bell says his attention was drawn to the problems within about a month, and he attempted to reduce the amount paid, but this was delayed by interference from special advisers from the DFP and the Office of the First Minister and didn't happen until November. Foster says that November was the date that Bell proposed, and it happened just as he wanted it.

He then announced it would be shut down in January 2016, and later announced it would be kept open for a couple of extra weeks, which saw a surge of applications from businesses who wanted to get on the gravy train before it was too late. He says he was forced to do this after a heated meeting with Foster, and regrets that he went along with it and didn't resign. Foster became First Minister in January 2016, but I'm not clear whether this was before or after Bell's announcement. After the assembly elections in May, Foster remained First Minister, the various departments were reorganised, and Bell, while still a member of the assembly, was no longer a minister.

So, in brief: Foster is responsible for this scandal, but is now First Minister and protected by the system to an extent. Bell shut it down, perhaps not as quickly as he could have done once he became aware of it, and in the process fell out with Foster, his party leader, which lost him his ministerial job. He probably suspects he's going to take the fall for it and is getting his retaliation in first, dressed up in some ostentatious religiosity. Foster is claiming ignorance, despite being the minister responsible for the scheme for four years, and is damselling a bit, claiming that Bell used his "bulk" to intimidate her.
From what you've written it seems likely that Bell was utterly screwed over by Foster. I wonder if actually putting him in charge of DETI was part of a plan to deliberately scapegoat him.

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Post by MarcusAu » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:28 am

I see we have lost another - Dr Bombay has shuffled off...

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Post by Suet Cardigan » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:36 am

Tigzy wrote:Also, my local picture house played this ad before Rogue One, which I have to admit, did bring a bit of a lump to the throat.

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True story:
Last week I nipped out to the shed and forgot to close the back door. When I went back inside I found a Robin in the living room. How Christmassy. Then I noticed that the little bastard had shat on my carpet.

Christmas? Bah humbug!

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:01 am

It's been a while.

But Latsot never fails to deliver.

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Post by screwtape » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:07 am

Lsuoma wrote: Someone was asking at work today why the left ball is smaller than the right ball on Amazon's biodome, so I told them that we employed an architect from Devizes.

http://www.technobuffalo.com/wp-content ... 30x264.jpg
Devizes was the home of the local lunatic asylum, and to kids the phrase 'gone to Devizes' meant madness and being locked up for it. Maggie put an end to that with Care in the Community, giving us homeless people instead of a colourful local turn of phrase.

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:45 am

Ape+lust wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Guess what happens if you dare press "play"?

:shock:

[tweet.][/tweet]

Hey Ape you have a new fan. :lol:

http://i.imgur.com/byGpJRf.jpg


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Post by Snapfingers » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:32 am

Brive, that video was disgusting. Mykeru-level disgusting. Can we get back to Pizzagate and Sasquatch please?

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Post by deLurch » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:55 am

HoneyWagon wrote:
Really? wrote:Uh oh. There's another one:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/mus ... -1.2910944
Muslim college student who claimed Trump supporters attacked her on the subway under arrest for making story up
She made it all up — and now she’s under arrest.

The Muslim college student who claimed she was harassed on the subway by three men who shouted “Donald Trump,” called her a terrorist and tried to rip her hijab off her head has admitted to detectives that she concocted the entire story, the Daily News has learned.
This is the one who disappeared for three days.
When I first saw this story yesterday, I did feel initially vindicated for being skeptical in this age of SJ related hoaxes.
I also felt angry that someone did this with the result that actual victims of hate-based crimes will have a harder time getting sympathy/help.

Then I heard that her head was shaved by her parents, not sure if before she went missing for 3 days or after she was found at that time. The story being she has a Christian boyfriend or she was with her boyfriend and the hoax story was to cover that up because she violated her curfew...an adult woman going to college was afraid of violating her curfew.

Well, it looks like her head WAS shaved by her fucking parents
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/mus ... ?cid=bitly
(They added a shaved head pic)
http://i.imgur.com/voDBi0K.jpg

I know she won't charge her parents with assault and battery, but I wish someone would.
It is almost like she is suffering under PATRIARCHY and SHAME culture. I know tumblrinas people against patriarchy will be will be right on this....


I find I am not as mad at her, but pity her, because an adult woman shouldn't have to deal with this in the US.
Enjoy watching her original interview again.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/12/03/ ... on-subway/

She lied once and heavily played a stereotype for sympathy. What makes you think she is telling the truth now, instead of playing another stereotype for sympathy?

Also note, that she is no longer wearing her hijab as she did for her sympathy interview.

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Post by Sunder » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:56 am

While curious about the contents, I'm not clicking on a SomethingAwful link because those retards are responsible for a lot of this shit anyway and don't deserve to laugh it off.

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Post by deLurch » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:15 am

Sister's post verified by the NY Post.
http://nypost.com/2016/12/15/muslim-hat ... -the-nypd/

Probably best to skip other news organization's interpretation of what her sister stated, and read it straight from the horse's mouth.

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Post by Kirbmarc » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:29 am

Sunder wrote:
While curious about the contents, I'm not clicking on a SomethingAwful link because those retards are responsible for a lot of this shit anyway and don't deserve to laugh it off.
It's a satire of the SJWs written as if it were a Democratic candidate calling Trump supporters idiots and nazis, gloating at their misery and asking them to vote for the Dems in 2020. It's pretty funny, and it's eerily similar to most posts on FTB and the Orbit.

It starts like this:
I've had it.

You low down pieces of shit. You turds with swastika ribbons tied around your turdy waists. You Muslim-hating, homophobic, rape-endorsing megabigots had better get your shit together and vote for me in 2020.

I heard you're worried about losing your medicare and your social security. Morons. Guess what, dumbasses, you voted for it! You voted for the person who is going to take away all your healthcare and pay off his rich buddies with that money. And you know what? GOOD. I hope a bunch of you die of diabetes. Thin out the herd of stupids a little.

The rest of you can learn your damn lesson by watching the other dummies die. Because I deserve your vote in the Year of Your Lord 2020.
I could easily picture Caine or GAS or Miri or even PeeZie writing the exact same words but being completely serious.

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Post by Ape+lust » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:32 am

Brive1987 wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Guess what happens if you dare press "play"?

:shock:

[tweet.][/tweet]

Hey Ape you have a new fan. :lol:

http://i.imgur.com/byGpJRf.jpg
Haw! And that's why Paramore is un-trollable.

I hope Peez sees that. His impulse will be to shun her as noisily as possible. He can't though, because her sexual assault story was one he oooohed over during his season of grenade juggling. Steamed and stifled is an excellent way to cook Minnesota Putz :lol:

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Post by deLurch » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:33 am

On the Pat & Jude issue, it appears that the Cincinnati Police have arrested her former renter that was JUST PHYSICALLY EVICTED a few days prior to Thanksgiving.
Update#9 wrote:Well, good news! They have arrested a suspect! We are so happy! We are on our way to the grand jury to testify. It turns out he was an ex renter whose girlfriend gave us mis-information to get the apartment. Looks like he has a history of white racist acts. He did this to a church in 2013. I guess leopards never change there spots.... Don't know why we were their next victims. We were nothing but kind to them. Wish us luck!
https://www.gofundme.com/no-more-racism

As far as the misinformation goes provided by the girlfriend, Pat's eviction case against them was for a "Samual" instead of "Samuel." That should have been a bit of a dead give away. Of course the last time I rented out, I was asked for my Social Security Number, Photo ID (Driver's license) & pay stub. That would be a tad too difficult for the girlfriend to have all faked. Not to mention, assuming his name spelling was a typo and searching on the proper spelling for Samuel brought up his lengthy court records.

Again, these two renters absolutely should be punished and there is no excuse for what they have done.

But the slumlord landlord is absolutely bullshitting by playing like nothing was wrong in their relationship with the former renters.

Update #10 says this:
Update#10 wrote:We were so happy that the perpetrators were caught that I failed to
tell you all how much your support has meant to us. The insurance
will not cover as much as we thought it might, so you all having contributed
will be even more helpful than we imagined. I want to thank you all again and again
from the bottom of my heart for your love, support and donations, not only from
across the US, but from many other countries around the globe. Our faith
in human kindness is being restored, and we are filled with gratitude for the
sense of community we're able to feel again. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Up, I bet insurance is not going to cover more than the $35k they paid for the house. And they are not going to see the $55k sale to their daughter as a valid valuation.

It look like the total raise is leveling off at aourn $67,870.

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Post by paddybrown » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:50 am

Kirbmarc wrote:
paddybrown wrote:OK, watched the interview with my old school chum Beller (as he was known back then). They also interviewed Arlene Foster straight after. My takeaway from it all:

The Renewable Heat Incentive was started in 2011 when Foster was minister at the Department for Trade and Investment (DETI), the department that ran it. She says none of her civil servants ever made her aware of any of the problems of the scheme, so she never had an opportunity to do anything about it. She moved to the Department of Finance and Personnel (DFP) in May 2015, and Bell replaced her at DETI. Bell says his attention was drawn to the problems within about a month, and he attempted to reduce the amount paid, but this was delayed by interference from special advisers from the DFP and the Office of the First Minister and didn't happen until November. Foster says that November was the date that Bell proposed, and it happened just as he wanted it.

He then announced it would be shut down in January 2016, and later announced it would be kept open for a couple of extra weeks, which saw a surge of applications from businesses who wanted to get on the gravy train before it was too late. He says he was forced to do this after a heated meeting with Foster, and regrets that he went along with it and didn't resign. Foster became First Minister in January 2016, but I'm not clear whether this was before or after Bell's announcement. After the assembly elections in May, Foster remained First Minister, the various departments were reorganised, and Bell, while still a member of the assembly, was no longer a minister.

So, in brief: Foster is responsible for this scandal, but is now First Minister and protected by the system to an extent. Bell shut it down, perhaps not as quickly as he could have done once he became aware of it, and in the process fell out with Foster, his party leader, which lost him his ministerial job. He probably suspects he's going to take the fall for it and is getting his retaliation in first, dressed up in some ostentatious religiosity. Foster is claiming ignorance, despite being the minister responsible for the scheme for four years, and is damselling a bit, claiming that Bell used his "bulk" to intimidate her.
From what you've written it seems likely that Bell was utterly screwed over by Foster. I wonder if actually putting him in charge of DETI was part of a plan to deliberately scapegoat him.
I reckon so. But he's managed to get his side out without looking spiteful, so unless Foster has something more on him he has the moral high ground. We shall see how it develops. There's a vote of no confidence in Foster coming up, and a lot depends on how Sinn Fein decide to play it.

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