The Refuge of the Toads

[Really?]

He’s taken “Dear Muslima” and amplified it with a graphic image and an even more odious comment. And he’s still completely unaware of what’s wrong with it.

I'm completely unaware of what's wrong with it too. I wish PZ would take the time to explain.

I honestly have no idea what those people are thinking. They must feel as though their problems (heavy metal T-shirts, manspreading) are comparable to those suffered by women in the shit countries. And the fact that PZ doesn't think to explain the problem, that no one thinks to explain the problem, just demonstrates they are all on the same page in their own echo chamber where thought and explanations are not even necessary.

[Sulman]

I'm confused - is this person talking about Peez or 'The Dawkbro?'

http://i.imgur.com/8nEl3OI.png

It's not very..self aware, is it?

[Cnutella]

Are these Return of Kings numpties for real? They sound like a right bunch of wankers.

They're all about the Plato and bitches who are 10s.

[Spike13]

He’s taken “Dear Muslima” and amplified it with a graphic image and an even more odious comment. And he’s still completely unaware of what’s wrong with it.

I'm completely unaware of what's wrong with it too. I wish PZ would take the time to explain.

What wrong is that peezy would need to explain why more feminist keystrokes were made about a casual party shirt than were made about a brutal execution of a defenseless human being.

Who would want to write that essay? You would look like a callous monster.

The firstest of first world problems versus mankind at its very worst. We know where fashion feminism places it's attention.

[DaveDodo007]

Apparently all of that posting tentacle rape porn images, sexually harassing volunteers while in a position of power as a conference speaker, urging his readers to watch a song about raping Ken Ham, calling his spouse "the trophy wife",endorsing a book of short stories including some about non-consensual sex, personally for a misogynist (TF00t) to be a blogger on FfTB and then later kicking a female POC off the same network...yeah. All of that was some part of his master feminist-since-childhood plan to fight for equal rights for women. Or, a gallon of opportunistic hogwash if you prefer, which seems to have rather badly splashed back all over him as he tried to throw it (thank you, Great God La-Den).

Come now. If Tim Hunt gets to be sarcastic about calling himself a "chauvinist monster" then surely we can cut PZ slack on the trophy wife joke. The rest is fair game, but self-deprecating humor should get a free pass.

For that to be true he would still be using it, he doesn't as it is probably badthink or something.

[Sunder]

This is what PZ misses:

It's not merely that shirts get some attention when there's more pressing issues. You're absolutely allowed to care about arguably less important issues that hit close to home.

But the problem is that shirts get MASSIVE amounts of attention, and ritual murder gets little to none.

So the feminist counterargument that they care about both falls pretty fucking flat.

Oh, and "shirts are part of a bigger problem, guys."

Yeah, guess what? Murder is also part of a bigger problem. It's also a pretty godfuckingdamned big problem all by itself.

[DaveDodo007]

FFS :nin: by a penis shaped fungi, I didn't even know the fuckers could move.

[Sunder]

DXman or whoever on Twitter has got to be one of the dumbest fucks on PZ's side.

His counterargument? If you're not fighting ISIS in Syria RIGHT NOW you're a hypocrite and have no right to argue that other people have shit priorities.

He says this while being part of the contingent of whiny pissants who have been trying to shift the priorities of A/S for years.

[Brive1987]

Looks like Novella better settle in for a bout of well deserved sealioning.

[Really?]

Gabriel is clearly talking to Peez, but he's not smart enough to know what he's actually writing:

More regularly than I’d like, I get mistaken for someone hostile to the atheist movement, a Chris Stedman or CJ Werleman. When I roll my own eyes at the Dawkbros, it’s because I need a godless community—because my atheist movement is about helping survivors of spiritual abuse, giving apostates safe places, fighting the exploitation of children; about secular mental health support, civil rights work and social provision. I take on infighting because it’s necessary, because I’m invested in building the environment without which I and others can’t manage.
The people who used Chapel Hill as one more excuse to tear atheism down? I’ve never seen them doing that work. When I look at any of them, I don’t see people building a better movement—or to build anything. I never see them highlighting the parts of our community that deserve praise, or holding religion’s feet to the fire. I see beneficiaries of exceptionalism, pandering to anti-atheist sentiment, signing book deals with religious presses, appearing on Fox News, chewing the fat with believers about how vile the nasty, movement atheists are while letting religion off every hook.
I don’t know what the faitheists are here for. It’s hard enough building an antitheism that isn’t terrible without being erased—hard enough fighting the Dawkbros, making the case for an atheist movement progressives respect, without having one’s work pissed on—but I don’t know what their investment is in criticising a movement they treat as irredeemable; don’t know why they bother at all, except to cash cheques with the religious. Atheism matters to some of us, and our criticism is constructive. If others have nothing to contribute, I wish they’d just fuck off.

http://archive.is/kMqoq

I guess I missed the part where they were supporting apostates. It seemed to me like they were silently tolerating Nasreen because booting her for loving the Dawkbros would make them look bad.

[Scented Nectar]

Muslim does what Steersman asks:
[.youtube]-2cjYaXC1sg[/youtube]

:-) Well he didn't actually piss on it, that I saw - just a promise to burn it - but I'll take that as a hopeful harbinger, an encouraging sign. And I've noticed many more ex-Muslims and in-the-closet ones doing similarly - may their tribe increase.

So, Sweden denies this ex-muslim refuge, even though he would be persecuted for his atheism back in Egypt, and even though he's happy to integrate and embrace modern secular democracy with its freedom of religion, but they are allowing others who don't need refuge and who don't want a modern secular democracy. What the fuck is wrong with this picture?

By the way, in honour of that fucking religion, I am trying a new recipe. It's a potato onion casserole that has bacon drippings/scrapings in it. If it turns out good, I will impose my recipe-ocracy on you all later. It's inspired by someone else's recipe, but I've made so many changes that it's my own now. :)

[Really?]

Peez burps up an explanation as to why he is angrier about Dawkins on Twitter than Cologne:

Ally Fogg makes a very good point.

The first recourse of the racist fearmonger has always been to point to one atypical incident, a riot, a murder, a rape, and hold it to be typical, to be both representative of an entire population and the responsibility of that entire population. The left cannot win by pretending there are no criminals, no thugs, no rapists, no damaged people among the shifting sands of humanity. We can win by unequivocally condemning inappropriate and criminal behaviour while simultaneously and correctly insisting that we will not allow ourselves to judge the many by the sins of the few. We will not allow ourselves to be distracted and diverted from our humanitarian obligations by fear, because history shows us where that leads. We will not allow ourselves to turn our backs on those in desperate need, because we are smarter than that and we are better than that. That is the only way the argument can be won.

I would add that one thing that’s become obvious is that if you hesitate to condemn an act because the perpetrator is a member of an oppressed group, the racist fearmongers will then turn around and use that to condemn the entirety of the left of conspiring with the group that they hate. It’s what they do, and they’re very good at it — you might even say it is the dominant trait of fearmongers, that they’re adept at smearing everything into a giant category of blame.
It’s one of the things that makes addressing them difficult: anything you do will get you swept up into the burning shitpile of hatred they keep aflame. So you might as well just do the right thing.

http://archive.is/0aoiI

[Sunder]

As David Mitchell says:

"Bacon. This is a food so delicious, it's been specifically banned by two major religions. What greater seal of approval could it have? It's right up there with fornication!"

[Dave]

So, Binks is the abiused party.

Granted, no one condones nor supports threats of violence, death etc.( the fact that we have to put in such disclaimers or be accused of " supporting through silence" pisses me off no end)
But any critisism she received was more than well earned.

You had a perfectly reasonable man being screamed at, berated and otherwise treated as if they were something you would scrape off your boots.

She isn't a victim, she's the perpetrator. Shills for intersectional feminism are so shackled by their own orthodoxy that they can't even make the concession that her behavior was abominable.

The beauty of this is that they will keep behaving like bully's. Like most supporters of bad ideas they will do most of the work discrediting their non sense.

She was punching up, speaking truth to power. Shes a brave hero.

Any behavior is acceptable as long as its aimed at those "more privileged."

Her harassers were exploiting their privilege to keep a poor brave woman down.

Its all about the framing.

[Karmakin]

He’s taken “Dear Muslima” and amplified it with a graphic image and an even more odious comment. And he’s still completely unaware of what’s wrong with it.

I'm completely unaware of what's wrong with it too. I wish PZ would take the time to explain.

I honestly have no idea what those people are thinking. They must feel as though their problems (heavy metal T-shirts, manspreading) are comparable to those suffered by women in the shit countries. And the fact that PZ doesn't think to explain the problem, that no one thinks to explain the problem, just demonstrates they are all on the same page in their own echo chamber where thought and explanations are not even necessary.

What are they thinking?

Generally speaking, it's Neo-Feminism first and foremost. That the problem is men and male culture, and all of it....outside of their own tribe...is this horrible disgusting thing that's looking to hold down and abuse and oppress women at every opportunity they can get. So by saying it's a problem with say "Islamic Culture", it's taking away from the REAL problem, which is again, men and masculinity.

The problem of course, for most people, is that male culture is simply unrecognizable. It's a characterization, something that we look at and we think...what the fuck are you talking about? Maybe there's a few people out there, a few true-wool misogynists who think like that. But the vast majority of people don't. Our culture simply isn't arranged that way. There was a comic I saw that compared how SJW viewed social interactions vs. the reality of social interactions.

http://blog.collegehumor.com/post/12724 ... hopper-and

That pretty much is it. PZ believes that most men other than himself act more according to the "Movie" side than the "Real Life"...anybody in disagreement that he's closer to the "Movie" side than most people?

It's this theoretical...who is to say how much they ACTUALLY believe it..image of men and masculinity that is at the core of the virtue that must be signaled. And when people say well no. It's Islamic Supremacist (let's call a spade a spade) culture or Binge Drinking Party culture or whatever, that opinion must be destroyed.

[VickyCaramel]

He’s taken “Dear Muslima” and amplified it with a graphic image and an even more odious comment. And he’s still completely unaware of what’s wrong with it.

I'm completely unaware of what's wrong with it too. I wish PZ would take the time to explain.

What wrong is that peezy would need to explain why more feminist keystrokes were made about a casual party shirt than were made about a brutal execution of a defenseless human being.

Who would want to write that essay? You would look like a callous monster.

The firstest of first world problems versus mankind at its very worst. We know where fashion feminism places it's attention.

Exactly, the reason for their outrage "goes without saying", because if anybody did go and say it, they would look a complete cunt and actually give us something we could argue against.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

If one of those defending Bink ever loses a loved one, I hope someone will create an army of socks to go put on their blog "CRY ME A RIVEEER!"

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Scratch that. "CRY ME A RIVER" should be the systematic response to anything SJWs complain or grieve about, until the point sinks in.

[deLurch]

Michael Nugent takes a 2nd stab at the Dawkins/NECSS issue:
http://www.michaelnugent.com/2016/02/01 ... -decision/

He says he plans to follow up on a 3rd point latter on.

[comhcinc]

If one of those defending Bink ever loses a loved one, I hope someone will create an army of socks to go put on their blog "CRY ME A RIVEEER!"

I didn't know who people were talking about until this point.

You are spelling her name wrong.

And let's just call her Big Red. That way everyone is on the same page and it is less like doxing and yes I understand she may not be going by her birth name.

[SM12]

Peez burps up an explanation as to why he is angrier about Dawkins on Twitter than Cologne:

Ally Fogg makes a very good point.

The first recourse of the racist fearmonger has always been to point to one atypical incident, a riot, a murder, a rape, and hold it to be typical, to be both representative of an entire population and the responsibility of that entire population. The left cannot win by pretending there are no criminals, no thugs, no rapists, no damaged people among the shifting sands of humanity. We can win by unequivocally condemning inappropriate and criminal behaviour while simultaneously and correctly insisting that we will not allow ourselves to judge the many by the sins of the few. We will not allow ourselves to be distracted and diverted from our humanitarian obligations by fear, because history shows us where that leads. We will not allow ourselves to turn our backs on those in desperate need, because we are smarter than that and we are better than that. That is the only way the argument can be won.

I would add that one thing that’s become obvious is that if you hesitate to condemn an act because the perpetrator is a member of an oppressed group, the racist fearmongers will then turn around and use that to condemn the entirety of the left of conspiring with the group that they hate. It’s what they do, and they’re very good at it — you might even say it is the dominant trait of fearmongers, that they’re adept at smearing everything into a giant category of blame.
It’s one of the things that makes addressing them difficult: anything you do will get you swept up into the burning shitpile of hatred they keep aflame. So you might as well just do the right thing.

http://archive.is/0aoiI

So why was Peezus getting upset about ONE T-shirt, if he thinks getting upset about one picture of an execution is fear-mongering.

All those German women buying pepper sprays, who mongered their fears?

[tina]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 41161.html

Mainstream media picking it up now....also The Times, but behind a paywall.

[Billy The Hillbilly]

It could just be that I haven't slept in 36 hours, but wouldn't it be a complete mindfuck if Big Red was Dawkins' replacement at NECSS?
Then some MRAs would start heckling her and she goes ballistic and has to be removed by security.

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

[DaveDodo007]

Peez burps up an explanation as to why he is angrier about Dawkins on Twitter than Cologne:

Ally Fogg makes a very good point.

The first recourse of the racist fearmonger has always been to point to one atypical incident, a riot, a murder, a rape, and hold it to be typical, to be both representative of an entire population and the responsibility of that entire population. The left cannot win by pretending there are no criminals, no thugs, no rapists, no damaged people among the shifting sands of humanity. We can win by unequivocally condemning inappropriate and criminal behaviour while simultaneously and correctly insisting that we will not allow ourselves to judge the many by the sins of the few. We will not allow ourselves to be distracted and diverted from our humanitarian obligations by fear, because history shows us where that leads. We will not allow ourselves to turn our backs on those in desperate need, because we are smarter than that and we are better than that. That is the only way the argument can be won.

I would add that one thing that’s become obvious is that if you hesitate to condemn an act because the perpetrator is a member of an oppressed group, the racist fearmongers will then turn around and use that to condemn the entirety of the left of conspiring with the group that they hate. It’s what they do, and they’re very good at it — you might even say it is the dominant trait of fearmongers, that they’re adept at smearing everything into a giant category of blame.
It’s one of the things that makes addressing them difficult: anything you do will get you swept up into the burning shitpile of hatred they keep aflame. So you might as well just do the right thing.

http://archive.is/0aoiI

That's all very well but they are not condemning it. What the regressive left is doing is being apologist for the criminal behaviour and claiming the host country's population is just as bad as the criminals. It is textbook 'how not to win friends and influence no one.'

[Tigzy]

Peez burps up an explanation as to why he is angrier about Dawkins on Twitter than Cologne:

Ally Fogg makes a very good point.

The first recourse of the racist fearmonger has always been to point to one atypical incident, a riot, a murder, a rape, and hold it to be typical, to be both representative of an entire population and the responsibility of that entire population. The left cannot win by pretending there are no criminals, no thugs, no rapists, no damaged people among the shifting sands of humanity. We can win by unequivocally condemning inappropriate and criminal behaviour while simultaneously and correctly insisting that we will not allow ourselves to judge the many by the sins of the few. We will not allow ourselves to be distracted and diverted from our humanitarian obligations by fear, because history shows us where that leads. We will not allow ourselves to turn our backs on those in desperate need, because we are smarter than that and we are better than that. That is the only way the argument can be won.

I would add that one thing that’s become obvious is that if you hesitate to condemn an act because the perpetrator is a member of an oppressed group, the racist fearmongers will then turn around and use that to condemn the entirety of the left of conspiring with the group that they hate. It’s what they do, and they’re very good at it — you might even say it is the dominant trait of fearmongers, that they’re adept at smearing everything into a giant category of blame.
It’s one of the things that makes addressing them difficult: anything you do will get you swept up into the burning shitpile of hatred they keep aflame. So you might as well just do the right thing.

http://archive.is/0aoiI

Oooh. Peez thinks Ally makes a good point there, does he? You know, with a few small inversions...

The first recourse of the regressive-left fearmonger has always been to point to one atypical incident, a remark about ladies in the lab, an invitation for coffee, a rumour of someone taking upskirt photos, and hold it to be typical, to be both representative of an entire community and the responsibility of that entire community...

...I wonder what Peez would think of it then? 'A patently dishonest misrepresentation,' the fat fool would no doubt snort.

[comhcinc]

Peez burps up an explanation as to why he is angrier about Dawkins on Twitter than Cologne:

Ally Fogg makes a very good point.

The first recourse of the racist fearmonger has always been to point to one atypical incident, a riot, a murder, a rape, and hold it to be typical, to be both representative of an entire population and the responsibility of that entire population. The left cannot win by pretending there are no criminals, no thugs, no rapists, no damaged people among the shifting sands of humanity. We can win by unequivocally condemning inappropriate and criminal behaviour while simultaneously and correctly insisting that we will not allow ourselves to judge the many by the sins of the few. We will not allow ourselves to be distracted and diverted from our humanitarian obligations by fear, because history shows us where that leads. We will not allow ourselves to turn our backs on those in desperate need, because we are smarter than that and we are better than that. That is the only way the argument can be won.

I would add that one thing that’s become obvious is that if you hesitate to condemn an act because the perpetrator is a member of an oppressed group, the racist fearmongers will then turn around and use that to condemn the entirety of the left of conspiring with the group that they hate. It’s what they do, and they’re very good at it — you might even say it is the dominant trait of fearmongers, that they’re adept at smearing everything into a giant category of blame.
It’s one of the things that makes addressing them difficult: anything you do will get you swept up into the burning shitpile of hatred they keep aflame. So you might as well just do the right thing.

http://archive.is/0aoiI

That is actually a fair point.

I also think it's true that there are people who normally don't give a fuck about rape who are using the shit in Germany to push an agenda. The thing is if the regressive left would have jumped on the story like they do every other rape story then nobody could say shit.

They are so concern about raging about rape that the fact they didn't say anything was noticeable by everyone.

[katamari Damassi]

"Email in use" is a problem for guests. Again.

Here's a contribution:

Julia Galef weighs in.

facebook. com/julia.galef/posts/10102245846532342

Oh, she doth teach the torches to burn bright. Smart lady.

Holy shit, D.J. Grothe is amazing in the comments against Dan Fincke.

From that same thread:

Melody Hensley
The woman in the video is a real woman who is getting harassed. A woman that is often used in memes with memes of me to trash feminism. We have gotten our lives threatened, threats of rape and told we should kill ourselves EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. for many years. Dawkins has made this movement divisive and made these gender terrorists feel that it is okay to dehumanize us and attempt to ruin our lives. I'd like you to go through the same thing with Dawkins stirring up your harassers and stalkers and then decide if a video with you in it calls for outcry.

John Kwok
I hope you were as outraged Melody, when, nearly six years ago, journalists Chris Mooney and Sheril Kirshenbaum were threatened by a delusional fan posting at PZ Myers's Pharyngula blog who said that they should be raped and killed with a rusty knife. Myers treated it as a joke, even referring to it in one of his subsequent blogs, and had the gall to confront Sheril at her blog, taunt and humilate her, when she complained bitterly about that threat and pointed out that it did not foster greater public understanding of science.
I am certain some at NECSS were aware of this, and yet, Myers was invited to speak. IMHO there is a double standard, and that standard is, if you're popular with a certain segment of the New Atheist community and still commit outrageous acts, then it's okay for you to speak at NECSS. Myers has never apologized for his abysmal behavior, while Dawkins acted swiftly to make amends when he heard that the cartoon depicted the woman in question.

Melody Hensley
John, I don't know the details about this incident from six years ago. Don't try to pull me into one of your vendettas.

John Kwok
Melody Hensley, I suggest you read Sheril's blog: (puts in links to blogs that can't post here, but the titles are
"Strengthening Public Interest In Science?" By Sheril Kirshenbaum and
Skepsheik: The PZ Myers guide to violent sexual threats.

Melody Hensley
John, this is completely off topic. I am really upset here. I'm not going to read old blogs. I'm more likely to block you. Do you know what I have been through? I have PTSD because of these people. So back off.

I'm probably going to be flamed for this(and rightly so), but I think there's a case to be made for Melody killing herself.
1. She would live on as a shining beacon of intersectional feminism. She would join the pantheon of SJW saints and martyrs. Kickstarter campaigns would be started with the intention of creating Melody endowments, scholarships, even institutions. in her name; with plaques, and portraits, and statues! Some of theses projects might actually get started. You know, when the Kickstarter people find the spoons-you can't donate those.

2. It would show us. All of us haters would feel terribly guilty and sad. We'd change our ways and adopt intersectional feminism-or as it would then be called "Hensleyism". We would pelt Dawkins, and the old CFI honchos with rotten eggs. I will be wailing the loudest at Melody's funeral. I will through myself onto her casket as it defends into the earth, screaming "WHY FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER, WHY? TAKE ME INSTEAD!" This, I pinky swear.

[katamari Damassi]

Oh for fuck sakes autocorrect. I guess I really should use the preview feature, but who has the time?

[Tigzy]

Aw c'mon - look at this last comment from Zenlike here. Definite touch of the Parsehole there. This has got to be a troll.

http://i.imgur.com/5LEWl5l.png

[Old_ones]

He’s taken “Dear Muslima” and amplified it with a graphic image and an even more odious comment. And he’s still completely unaware of what’s wrong with it.

I'm completely unaware of what's wrong with it too. I wish PZ would take the time to explain.

I honestly have no idea what those people are thinking. They must feel as though their problems (heavy metal T-shirts, manspreading) are comparable to those suffered by women in the shit countries. And the fact that PZ doesn't think to explain the problem, that no one thinks to explain the problem, just demonstrates they are all on the same page in their own echo chamber where thought and explanations are not even necessary.

I think the key is that they don't have any honest concern for women or anyone else. Most of the SJW ideology and MO are just a variable mix of self-promotion, virtue signaling, and vindictiveness. You never see the SJWs promoting anything that helps women or an "oppressed group" unless it has a negative effect on white men or someone else - the SJWs aren't the ones fundraising for breast cancer research, they are the ones shaming people for using "save the boobies" as a catch phrase. So SJW feminists don't do anything to help women in Islamic theocracies, because how would that give them the opportunity to stick it to privileged white men? If they start railing against Muslim men as a group, then that starts to get awkward, and anyway, trying to help Muslim women might actually be difficult and require some kind of work. Its not as simple as trying to get a white dude fired for making some questionable comments. What the want is to find someone to hurt, and preferably gain some status or clicks in the process.

The whole thing is basically a softer version of the Charles Manson plot. Charles Manson didn't try to start a race war because he gave a fuck about the plight of black people. He thought he'd figured out a cute way to apply his murderous tendencies to aggrandize himself.

[John D]

Shit! One of my coworkers just killed himself. Super nice guy. Religious. White and in his mid 50s - married with kids. He worked here for years and was well liked.

The day started out with the announcement of his death and a bunch of people were in tears. No one knew why he died as of this morning. Now the message is going around by word of mouth that he killed himself. This place is gonna be a wreck.

I have no idea if people knew he was having problems. People often hide their struggles. I didn't know him that well and had no idea.

Middle aged white men have a high suicide rate in the US.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

Shit! One of my coworkers just killed himself. Super nice guy. Religious. White and in his mid 50s - married with kids. He worked here for years and was well liked.

The day started out with the announcement of his death and a bunch of people were in tears. No one knew why he died as of this morning. Now the message is going around by word of mouth that he killed himself. This place is gonna be a wreck.

I have no idea if people knew he was having problems. People often hide their struggles. I didn't know him that well and had no idea.

Middle aged white men have a high suicide rate in the US.

Sorry to hear it, John. Despite what SJWs seem to believe, sometimes being a middle-aged white guy ain't all that great.

[Tigzy]

Well, troll or not, Zenlike truly is one of those gifts that just keeps on giving.

http://i.imgur.com/1kVGxu1.png

[Dave]

Well, troll or not, Zenlike truly is one of those gifts that just keeps on giving.

http://i.imgur.com/1kVGxu1.png

Was that pun intentional?

[Tigzy]

@Dave

Why yes. Yes it was. But wasted on Mr Potato Head over there, of course.

[Dave]

@Dave

Why yes. Yes it was. But wasted on Mr Potato Head over there, of course.

Well, I enjoyed it, if that makes you feel any better.


In a totally unrelated note, Im just going to leave this here, because I know you misogynistic fucks will get a kick out of it:
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-x ... e=5739F141

[jimthepleb]

Well, troll or not, Zenlike truly is one of those gifts that just keeps on giving.

http://i.imgur.com/1kVGxu1.png

LOL
:burn: :burn: :burn:

[Billie from Ockham]

@Dave

Why yes. Yes it was. But wasted on Mr Potato Head over there, of course.

I liked it, too. :clap:

[Snapfingers]

Ally Fogg made a fairly decent post about balancing xenophobia and cologne. i don't agree but he is making a good point and allowing opposing views in his comment section.

But PZ quotemined the fuck out it. Will he allow for opposing views? :cdc:

[Kirbmarc]

Shit! One of my coworkers just killed himself. Super nice guy. Religious. White and in his mid 50s - married with kids. He worked here for years and was well liked.

The day started out with the announcement of his death and a bunch of people were in tears. No one knew why he died as of this morning. Now the message is going around by word of mouth that he killed himself. This place is gonna be a wreck.

I have no idea if people knew he was having problems. People often hide their struggles. I didn't know him that well and had no idea.

Middle aged white men have a high suicide rate in the US.

That's horrible. You're right, people often hide their problems. Opening up with someone you trust about your suicidal ideas or your issues in general is very hard thing to do for many reasons, and it's probably harder when you're a parent and you think that others should rely on you, not vice versa.

[Scented Nectar]

I did, and I still do but this is absurd. He (or she) is not undergoing hormone treatment (obviously), he/she's not transitioning. He/she looks exactly the same as he/she did before he/she made the announcement and that was a year ago. The point about trans is that you don't feel comfortable in your body, isn't it? So you make the change. Not "I'm trans" and not do a bloody thing.

This was Dave Muscato.

[.img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b398/ ... 15x345.png[/img]

This is Danielle Muscato.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QCum9J0lURM/maxresdefault.jpg
Give me a fucking break.

Muscato is trying a little bit. He's shaved off his hands' hair and grown his fingernails. His autogynephilia fetish seems limited to only wanting girly hands.

If he bent over you'd probably get a glimpse of his fat arse sliding out of his pink silk plus-sized panties.

I couldn't stop myself from googling "man wearing women's underwear panties" and found these lovely ladies...

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/defaul ... 52a887.jpg

http://hewearspanties.com/wp-content/up ... anties.jpg

Another one that bugs me, and is never mentioned is Antony, from Antony and the Hopkins fame. Who refers to himself as a woman, insists on female pronouns, but hasn't bothered with even a sniff of a hormone tablet. But because he's cool with the hipster twats for producing shite music, everyone seems ok with his shtick of claiming to be a woman.

http://patriksandberg.com/wp-content/up ... atured.jpg

Why, she's stunning!

[jimthepleb]

Sorry about your news John D.

[Lsuoma]

When the communist party in Australia fell apart many went into the green parties

I'm ashamed to admit I was a member of the Greens for a few years at the end of university. Of course, Bob Brown was the leader then. I formally resigned when they nominated Clive Hamilton for Costello's seat. In one of those "it's a small world" things, I went to pre-school with Hamilton's daughter.

In Portugal, they call the Green Party "Watermelons" - Green on the outside, Red on the inside.

[Scented Nectar]

By the way, in honour of that fucking religion, I am trying a new recipe. It's a potato onion casserole that has bacon drippings/scrapings in it. If it turns out good, I will impose my recipe-ocracy on you all later. It's inspired by someone else's recipe, but I've made so many changes that it's my own now. :)

BURP!!!
It was way too rich and greasy, so no recipe today. Tasty though.

[gurugeorge]

PZ's mad "I can’t take no more" Blocks and unfollows Richard Dawkins.

Richard must be devastated.

I've responded to Myers' post that you linked with the following:-

It’s not in appropriate at all. If “feminism” were a logically consistent movement based on the principles of reason, individualism and equality, then most of “feminists”‘ efforts, their fire, their vitriol, their energy, most of their bandwidth, would logically and morally have to be directed at stopping the murder-of-innocent-Muslim-women type things, and by comparison, the dude-in-the-shirt type things would merit nothing more than a chuckle or a snort of mild derision, hardly worth even a comment.

But because “feminism” is based on a Marxoid analysis of society in terms of peoples’ membership of oppressor/oppressed groups, defined by their closeness to or distance from “power” (arbitrarily defined – usually gender, race, etc.), then it’s necessary for them to direct most of their energy, their fire, their vitriol, their bandwidth, at dude-in-the-shirt type things, because:-

a) they need to stay consistent with their own gender-based analysis based on Marxoid principles, because sticking with that analysis is what earns them kudos and money, whereas peeling away from it earns them the baleful gaze of the heresy-hunter, and nobody likes being called names;

b) they need to stay aligned with the “oppressed” group of Muslims against the “oppressor” group of the West; and

c) dudes-in-shirts are easier targets than dudes-with-Kalashnikovs – there’s little likelihood of any actual, life-threatening blowback from criticizing dudes-in-shirts.

What’s not to like? It’s a win-win all round – except of course for the dudes in shirts and the innocent Muslim women who continue to get raped and murdered.

[Scented Nectar]

As David Mitchell says:

"Bacon. This is a food so delicious, it's been specifically banned by two major religions. What greater seal of approval could it have? It's right up there with fornication!"

Pork on a Friday is a nice fuck off to 3 religions. Islam (pork and Friday is their holy day so extra bad), judaism (pork), and some christians ( the types who don't eat meat on Fridays).

Vee has a video up about halal meat and some restaurants that are refusing to cater to that shit.

"McDonalds KFC and a PIZZA HUT say no to halal meat. Muslims are outraged"
[youtube]4230PvvC5sw[/youtube]

[Kirbmarc]

Peez burps up an explanation as to why he is angrier about Dawkins on Twitter than Cologne:

Ally Fogg makes a very good point.

The first recourse of the racist fearmonger has always been to point to one atypical incident, a riot, a murder, a rape, and hold it to be typical, to be both representative of an entire population and the responsibility of that entire population. The left cannot win by pretending there are no criminals, no thugs, no rapists, no damaged people among the shifting sands of humanity. We can win by unequivocally condemning inappropriate and criminal behaviour while simultaneously and correctly insisting that we will not allow ourselves to judge the many by the sins of the few. We will not allow ourselves to be distracted and diverted from our humanitarian obligations by fear, because history shows us where that leads. We will not allow ourselves to turn our backs on those in desperate need, because we are smarter than that and we are better than that. That is the only way the argument can be won.

I would add that one thing that’s become obvious is that if you hesitate to condemn an act because the perpetrator is a member of an oppressed group, the racist fearmongers will then turn around and use that to condemn the entirety of the left of conspiring with the group that they hate. It’s what they do, and they’re very good at it — you might even say it is the dominant trait of fearmongers, that they’re adept at smearing everything into a giant category of blame.
It’s one of the things that makes addressing them difficult: anything you do will get you swept up into the burning shitpile of hatred they keep aflame. So you might as well just do the right thing.

http://archive.is/0aoiI

Ally isn't completely wrong, but he misses the point IMHO.

Yes, racists will use the Cologne incident to attack all migrants. Yes, the many cannot be judged by the sins of the few.

However the Cologne incident isn't an isolated case. It's part of continuum: Rotherham, Goteborg, and many others cases when young Muslims have treated Western women like garbage, or assaulted LGBT people while the left closed its eyes and claimed that "Islam is a religion of peace" (ALL Islam). It's part of culture (Islamic conservatism, mostly of Wahabi/Salafi orgin) that encourages misogyny and sexual assaults by calling women who don't cover up "whores" and by saying that "infidels" do not have rights.

It should suggest that we have to integrate Muslims better, that we need to counter the misogynistic narrative in Islam.

However what the left has done is deny that there is such a misogynistic narrative, or that it is any worse than "normal dudebro behavior". The left, in its struggle to always criticize "the West" and "imperialistic capitalism", hasn't done enough to promote the liberation of Muslim women, to condemn Islamic conservatism, to support ex Muslims,Muslim women and LGBT Muslims by shutting down Sharia councils, etc.

Instead we've heard the left repeat ad nauseam that there is no problem with Islam, that it's just bigoted people who think that Islam needs to change and adapt to Western values, that Islam is a religion of peace, etc.

I think that Islam MIGHT eventually change and adapt, but it takes a lot of time and effort from both Muslims and non-Muslims. And the left has to stop supporting Islamists and Muslim apologists like Reza Aslan, who say that there is nothing wrong with Islam and that any Western criticism of Islam is just bigotry and "Islamophobia".

Leftist atheists should be the ones who point out the huge flaws in Islamic culture, who ask for an end of Sharia councils (which go against secularism and liberalism), who question where the funds for Islamists come from (usually Saudi Arabia or other Muslim states), who educate Muslim women and Muslim LGBT people about their rights, who suppot ex-Muslims, who allow tribunals to know whether a Muslim who cliams to be underage is really underage, etc.

Instead we get either deafening silence (because "Muslims are oppressed, and to criticize them is to fan the flames of hatred") or meaningless slogan like "the Western Patriarchy is just as bad". We get countless hours devoted to T-shirt, manspreading, Rey toys, video games, etc., generic condemnations of Islamist crimes in Muslim-majority countries and little to no mention of the problems within Muslim communities in the West.

This is why the left and the moderate right are losing and the far right is winning (which is something that creeps me out just like Myers says). People buy into racist myths because the police uses water gun on Pedgida protesters but not on the crowds of immigrant harassers, because the police looked away while the Rotherham and Goteborg attacks happened, and because the Guardian says that the "poor Muslims" are so disenfranchised that they're inspired to rape those rich women with i-pads.

Furthermore Muslims in the West aren't oppressed by the state or by society at large because they're Muslims. They suffer from some social problems because a)they're poorer than the average population and socially isolated and b) individual racists and racist groups target them.

Point b) is best dealt with by punishing those racists. I'm all for giving harsh sentences to individuals or groups who murder, attack, beat up, harass (really harass, not FTB harass) or incite to murder or beat up Muslims. That is fucked up and needs to be dealt with. Anyone who murders others in cold blood needs to get a life sentence. Anyone who attacks and beats up others needs a very stiff sentence. And I'm OK with people being fired or even sentenced for inciting others to beat up, harass (again, really harass, not FTB harass) or murder Muslims. That is hate speech, racism, white supremacy, etc. and is just as barbaric as Islamist supremacy.

Point a) is best dealt with by integrating Muslims within liberal secular societies. Which means teaching them the language and the laws of the place where they live, teaching Muslim women and LGBT Muslims their rights, protecting those rights, protecting the rights of ex-Muslims, criticising Islam supremacy, creating opportunities and jobs, watching out for Wahabi/Salafi infiltrations and keeping an eye on their surces of income, survelling schools and punishing attempts of the Islamists to use them to spread their message, and giving anyone the opportunity to criticize, mock and satirize Islam without coddling the "offended feelings" of the Islamists.

However this requires the left to abandon identity politics, to do something other than keyboard wars, to be willing to call out and dissociate from Islamists who preach ideas that go against secular liberalism and democracy. It also requires Western politicians to no longer see immigrants just as sources of cheap labor or votes, and to work a lot to favor real integration, not the self-segregation of Muslim ghettoes.

It's not enough to condemn the Cologne attacks (but doing it loudly, clearly and with no "but..." or "the west is just as bad" arguments would have been a nice start). Integration of immigrants and especially of Muslim immigrants is a complex problem, which takes a lot of time and effort. Quick slogans and moral equivalences to the "Western patriarchy" are useless. And since it is such a long, complex and time-consuming problem maybe (just maybe) some time could be taken from the discussion of some admittedly less important issues like shirts, toys, video games and polite requests for coffee.

This is what Dawkins is saying with his tweets. This is what he already said with "Dear Muslima". But the regressive left refuses to listen, and prefers to disinvite him, call him a racist and a white supremacist, call people who agree with him "Dawk-bros" and cosy up with Reza Aslan.

Myers has called Charlie Hebdo racist and has felt smug about it. He has called Ayaan Hirsi Ali someone who has "fatwa envy" and has ignored what she said. He has been silent on what happened to Maryam Namazie. He devotes pages and pages of his blog to shirts, toys, "cultural appropriation", shitting on Dawkins and Harris, calling Hitchens a genocidal madman, etc.

If that's "doing the right thing" it's no surprise that the "fearmongers" are winning.

[screwtape]

By the way, in honour of that fucking religion, I am trying a new recipe. It's a potato onion casserole that has bacon drippings/scrapings in it. If it turns out good, I will impose my recipe-ocracy on you all later. It's inspired by someone else's recipe, but I've made so many changes that it's my own now. :)

BURP!!!
It was way too rich and greasy, so no recipe today. Tasty though.

No offense to eaters of real bacon (after all, I am one), but fake bacon bits might get around that problem. I use them in pea soup that my vegetarian better half will be eating.

[AndrewV69]

Oh, and yes, re: an earlier post - Nathan Lean is an Islamist-enabling little cunt, who approves of calling liberal Muslims "porch monkeys" and "Uncle Toms", etc. He is a close friend of CJ Werleman and all his little socks/fleas. He is also matey with Glenn Greenwald. The same pattern.......

Ironic thing is, TellMAMA appointed an anti-Muslim bigot onto their board.

Those fuckers will be the first ones to be thrown off tall towers if the islamists take over their neck of the wood. They really haven't learned their lesson from communist dictatorship. The fervent, useful idiots are the first to go, lest their fervor disturbs the new power.

Who likes a toady suck up? At any rate after the Iran revolution up to 30,000 were executed and which pretty much included all the Socialists /Marxists they could lay their hands on which was around 10,000.

So yep. They will be dealt with once their usefulness is over.

*cackles*

No cookies for the Feminists/SJW. Not even a thank you. Just a big Fuck off and Die. Literally.

[Sunder]

I have a hard time feeling sympathetic for Ally Fogg, because despite occasionally talking sense, he's still willing to curl up at PZ's feet and throw a few potshots at the witch of the week.

[Kirbmarc]

How to use SJ buzzwords to call them out on their hypocrisy. Dawkins does it like a boss:

[windy]

Matthew Yglesias decides to race-bait over a tweet by CH Sommers, hilarity ensues.

[Kirbmarc]

Also, this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaJM2RcWIAII7Mo.jpg

[AndrewV69]

He seems to be obsessed with MRAs.

It's weird, The proportion of actual MRAs in the online culture wars is tiny and yet SJWs seem to spot them hiding under every blade of grass and act like they are running some giant conspiracy against equal rights for women.

Speaking of that tiny proportion - I notice occasional pitter franc hoggle has started writing acticles for AVFM.

That does surprise me, but you're right. Wow.

One thing I was a bit disgusted by, was that at least two MRAs I'm vaguely aware of suggesting that Cologne was a hoax. i.e. That the German government / media arranged this in order to implicate that men are evil.

I understand Dean Esmay is still associated with AVFM:
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You have heard the criticism that MRAs are just the flip side of Feminists?

[Scented Nectar]

By the way, in honour of that fucking religion, I am trying a new recipe. It's a potato onion casserole that has bacon drippings/scrapings in it. If it turns out good, I will impose my recipe-ocracy on you all later. It's inspired by someone else's recipe, but I've made so many changes that it's my own now. :)

BURP!!!
It was way too rich and greasy, so no recipe today. Tasty though.

No offense to eaters of real bacon (after all, I am one), but fake bacon bits might get around that problem. I use them in pea soup that my vegetarian better half will be eating.

Nope. It's got to be real bacon for me. I ended a 35 year vegetarian phase in December when I realized I had no good reason for it any more, so real meat is still a delicious novelty to me after such a long absence. :D

I think it had too much overall grease. It had the leftover grease and pan scrapings left over from cooking up 5 slices of normal bacon (not Canadian back bacon or that UK stuff calling itself bacon) plus some olive oil. Next time I'll just leave out the olive oil. The bacon grease gave it a great flavour and is probably the right amount of grease for the dish on its own.

[Guest_bd26422e]

My local KFC (and Subway...Mcdonalds left town) is Halal. I have to go to the Huddersfield (oodersfilled, as we say around here) one for my lady friend's kids occasional greasy treat. Most lamb in the "normal" butchers shops is Halal because it is more profitable for the slaughter houses to just do it all that way.

Vegan bacon bits are fantastic! In fact, I believe the main "Bacon bits" brand is veggie if not vegan.

[Eskarina]

Well, troll or not, Zenlike truly is one of those gifts that just keeps on giving.

http://i.imgur.com/1kVGxu1.png

Is that David Miscabbage's body on the shoop? The cross like the Scientology one.

[comhcinc]

Shit! One of my coworkers just killed himself. Super nice guy. Religious. White and in his mid 50s - married with kids. He worked here for years and was well liked.

The day started out with the announcement of his death and a bunch of people were in tears. No one knew why he died as of this morning. Now the message is going around by word of mouth that he killed himself. This place is gonna be a wreck.

I have no idea if people knew he was having problems. People often hide their struggles. I didn't know him that well and had no idea.

Middle aged white men have a high suicide rate in the US.

That's horrible. You're right, people often hide their problems. Opening up with someone you trust about your suicidal ideas or your issues in general is very hard thing to do for many reasons, and it's probably harder when you're a parent and you think that others should rely on you, not vice versa.

Yeah. It is.

[comhcinc]

By the way, in honour of that fucking religion, I am trying a new recipe. It's a potato onion casserole that has bacon drippings/scrapings in it. If it turns out good, I will impose my recipe-ocracy on you all later. It's inspired by someone else's recipe, but I've made so many changes that it's my own now. :)

BURP!!!
It was way too rich and greasy, so no recipe today. Tasty though.

No offense to eaters of real bacon (after all, I am one), but fake bacon bits might get around that problem. I use them in pea soup that my vegetarian better half will be eating.

[comhcinc]

Vegan bacon bits are fantastic!