Happy 3rd Pit Birthday!

#18721

@Kirbmarc

Even funnier is seeing renowned fembot nastyarse loony Anna claiming to be shocked at the rudeness - the rudeness, I say - of Kwon's response.

Here's Anna's pinned tweet:

#18722

Tigzy wrote:http://i.imgur.com/lliM6dy.png

http://i.imgur.com/1qwNPeo.png

http://i.imgur.com/LcIGqS7.png

http://i.imgur.com/7P1Dlqb.png

This level of self-abasement is pornographic.

There's no way he wasn't wanking as he wrote that.

#18723

By the way, folks, just in case you were wondering, I am really not Elyse at all at all. I mean, I do not over-self-medicate with booze, drugs, and dangerous liaisons at all. I do, well, did, when there was still some cash around, have wine/takeout food/movie long weekends, 1 to 3 times a month, but that's about it.

Anyway, I have taken to heart the many comments of support, and am looking into the PayPal thing, waiting on confirmation of the account.

If I make up my mind to go that route, I plan to write a TLDR type of note clarifying my difficulties and needs. I want to lay my cards on the table, and do not in any way whatsoever want to be a Rebecca Watson or a Greta ReGreta, or to be seen as a sit-on-my-ass eBeggar. I have not been sitting on my ass at all; I have simply not yet had any success in finding work, and my savings are all long gone, and I've pawned sold everything that is pawnable/sellable. But you folks have given me some gleam of hope.

No ~~cancer~~ Fluevog shoes for me!

#18724

Ape+lust wrote:
Billie from Ockham wrote:Now, I know that one needs to be careful when making inferences from global statistics to specific cases, but the odds of being raped four or more times as independent events is vanishingly small. Therefore, it makes sense to ask if some common factor across these events might be at least partly responsible.

And there I will stop, as one cannot mention the most obvious possibility without being a victim-blamer.
One of those 4 includes being held prisoner and used as a rape toy for months. If she's not lying about any of it, she's had a boggling history.

Her whole self-destructive behaviour, missing boundaries, acting out sexually - to put it mildly, it's not unbelievable to me that something happened to her in the past, something sexually traumatizing. I don't see much sense in speculating about the details, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case. And she has my empathy for that.
But that doesn't resolve her from her responsibility to seek therapy and to stop destroying herself and everyone around her, especially her kids.

#18725

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:I am having a really difficult time believing the Elyse story.

http://cdn.epicski.com/d/d1/438x400px-d ... eally.jpeg

#18726

Ape+lust wrote:
Billie from Ockham wrote:Now, I know that one needs to be careful when making inferences from global statistics to specific cases, but the odds of being raped four or more times as independent events is vanishingly small. Therefore, it makes sense to ask if some common factor across these events might be at least partly responsible.

And there I will stop, as one cannot mention the most obvious possibility without being a victim-blamer.
One of those 4 includes being held prisoner and used as a rape toy for months. If she's not lying about any of it, she's had a boggling history.

Whoa . That didn't result in a death, arrest, or an investigation?

Who walks away from months of kidnapping and rape, and wipes their hands and shrugs it off when they get free?

Dial 922 !!!!

#18727

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:I am having a really difficult time believing the Elyse story.

Would it help if she added a wheelchair and an elevator?

Just askin'.

#18728

Shatterface wrote: This level of self-abasement is pornographic.

There's no way he wasn't wanking as he wrote that.

Not impossible. I mean, just look at the cunt:

http://i.imgur.com/GlPCoh7.jpg

This, remember, is the dude who claimed D J Grothe wanted to drug and rape him. In a joking way, of course. But it still made Sasha uncomfortable cos, y'know, the gays clearly just can't keep their hands off this fine buck here.

This is also the bloke who started up a Kickstarter so he could leave his job as his boss was a bit of a cunt. lol.

#18729

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: Yeah, the room thing is weird, if true. But how does one get into that room from a public place without willingly and knowingly entering it? She was waiting, in a public place. Then in a room. To say I don't believe that is an understatement.

Yeah, that part is what can make many (including me) doubt that Mrs. Anders' story is accurate. However after traumatic events memory can be faulty, so I'm not excluding the possibility that Mrs. Anders actually suffered of memory loss for the event (especially since she has serious alcohol problems, which can also mess up her memory).

Yes, I hope the police do their job. But this story has so many problems. If I was the investigating officer, I would have done a blood test for date-rape drugs. If those are there, then there's a case. In any other situation, I'd hand her off to psych.

These kinds of things take up limited police resources and keep real victims from getting all the help they need.

If the man had sex with Elyse without her consent, as she writes later, then she was a real victim.

German StrutBoatsman wrote:No. 'I can't remember what happened or who initiated what' does not equal rape. Nor does she give any account how she was - against her will - being transferred from a public space to a hotel room.

By saying "if her account is true" I also include the part where she says that he had sex with her against her consent (as she writes later). That might be hard to prove since she has no recollection of the events but if true it means that the man was guilty of rape.

Also, no, at least I don't get it. The guy brings her to a hotel and allegedly rapes her. He then doesn't walk away. He doesn't stop her from leaving, as far as we know. He doesn't stop her from visiting the bathroom with her mobile phone. He doesn't stop her from talking to her friend on the speaker phone. He still doesn't leave when he knows people are coming to get her. When people arrive he is let gone, not hold or questioned or whatever. It doesn't make sense to me.

If the guy was convinced he could get away with it because he had something to do with her memory loss he might have been trying to gauge how lucid she was, how much she remembered, etc. It may look unlikely but it's not impossible. If what Mrs. Anders says is accurate he acted pretty suspiciously, refusing to let her know the number of the room, saying that he was going to bring her somewhere else before relenting when threatened with a charge of kidnapping, etc.

Anyway it's a moot point, because in this case the name of the man hasn't been revealed to the public and there's an investigation going on, so if there's no evidence that the guy is guilty of anything he'll probably be cleared of his charges and there will be no smears about him on the Internet.

This is a very different case from PZ's "hand grenade" post, where no investigation was started and PZ handled the revelation with as much ethics as The National Enquirer.

#18730

feathers wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:I am having a really difficult time believing the Elyse story.
http://cdn.epicski.com/d/d1/438x400px-d ... eally.jpeg

http://lolthulhu.com/wp-content/uploads ... _rlyeh.jpg

#18731

HunnyBunny wrote:
Parody Accountant wrote:Has anyone made plans to have their spouse/friend post on the pit in the event of their death.
I told my SJW-leaning son he can shit-post on all my accounts, as long as he doesn't take my priest on WoW and make it horde.

*shrug*

Why not try both? It can be very useful to spy out the lay of the land if you are planning on killing the bankers in Orgrimmer. On my non-PVP server I had both Alliance and Horde.

The only server I had only Horde was a PVP one.

#18732

The first thing that came to mind on reading Elyse's latest trauma (ambulance selfie was a nice touch....pretty sure all rape victims do that) was this Onion article.

Why Do All These Homosexuals Keep Sucking My Cock?

Look, I'm not a hateful person or anything–I believe we should all live and let live. But lately, I've been having a real problem with these homosexuals. You see, just about wherever I go these days, one of them approaches me and starts sucking my cock.

Take last Sunday, for instance, when I casually struck up a conversation with this guy in the health-club locker room. Nothing fruity, just a couple of fellas talking about their workout routines while enjoying a nice hot shower. The guy looked like a real man's man, too–big biceps, meaty thighs, thick neck. He didn't seem the least bit gay. At least not until he started sucking my cock, that is.

http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/why-do ... cock-10861

#18733

Ape+lust wrote:Mo' drama.

I Thought I Retired from Getting Raped

She did "everything right" and still she got raped. Therefore, it is un-possible to avoid rape. Rape is inevitable.

Of course, there's a big hole in her memory where the abduction/rape occurred.

Funny, her hubby and a friend had the guy. Had him. But, instead of holding him, they ran him off.

Wow. Just wow. It sounds like she has some kind of psychosis to me. (yes... internet doctoring is stupid... I realize). I don't know how you go from texting your friend to naked in a hotel in five minutes and have no memory of the event. Is she snapping in and out of reality? I can't think of a drug that can do this so quickly unless I am hopelessly uninformed.

What does a prosecutor do here? Her claims are public and on the internet and they don't even hold up to a basic "sanity" check.

I am also trying to figure out what the husband is doing in all this. Poor guy. Perhaps he is trying to save her from herself out of a sense of duty and commitment. I have to ask... does he think it is okay for her to see a guy in a bar for drinks just to "get to know him." I mean, it is innocent on its face, but more than a bit suspicious. Why does she know this guy? Are the working on some kind of project together? Do they have some kind of shared hobby or something? Maybe.... still.... kind of odd.

The ER story is equally bizarre. Would they really not let her husband help her and stay with her? I have never heard of such a thing. A rape victim who is isolated at an ER exam room after an attack? Really?

And... it is really hard to explain the guy's behavior. Why would he lie about the hotel room if he was acquainted with her already? Surely, there was no place for him to run to.

I think she needs help, but knowing how poorly psych meds work, she may be getting help but it is not working well.

I suppose it is possible that her drugged her drink and events unfolded in this just so sort of way. Hmmmmmm.

Like I said.... wow... just wow.

#18734

Lsuoma wrote:
feathers wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:I am having a really difficult time believing the Elyse story.
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#18735

John Greg wrote:[...] and do not in any way whatsoever want to be a Rebecca Watson or a Greta ReGreta, or to be seen as a sit-on-my-ass eBeggar.

I think nobody would have offered you support if they thought you were an eBeggar. So cut the crap and give us the PayPal details. Jeez....

#18736

I'm on mobile forgive the shittyness

#18737

Kirbmarc wrote:By saying "if her account is true" I also include the part where she says that he had sex with her against her consent (as she writes later). That might be hard to prove since she has no recollection of the events but if true it means that the man was guilty of rape.

How can she even know her state of consent when she has no recollections?

Some heavy rape apologizing, but here I go. Elyse's fueled up with prescription drugs and alcohol and gets into the mood where she's MoFo Anders who does crazy, dangerous things like bringing strangers to hotel rooms and couldn't give a shit about friends who just called they're on their way to pick her up. Dude goes with Elyse to the hotel. Sex follows. Elyse gets triggered for whatever reason (being a rape survivor that's not uncommon at all), gets a breakdown, guy is pissed, does not know what goes on, probably behaves like an asshole and is later facetious (and still pissed) when the drama hits 11. But he even stays until her friends pick her up. When Elyse comes back from her traumatic episode, her MoFo shtick is over and she can hardly recollect what's happened and why it's happened.

Just saying that it could've been that way. Makes more sense to me. And of course I hope the police does a thorough job on this. But until facts come out, I don't really believe Elyse's story.
Which also doesn't take away from the fact that she is seriously hurt and needs help. That includes someone should take away her cell phone and her internet priviledges and - if possible - check her into a institution specialized for problems like this.

#18738

Tapir wrote:The first thing that came to mind on reading Elyse's latest trauma (ambulance selfie was a nice touch....pretty sure all rape victims do that) was this Onion article.

Why Do All These Homosexuals Keep Sucking My Cock?

Look, I'm not a hateful person or anything–I believe we should all live and let live. But lately, I've been having a real problem with these homosexuals. You see, just about wherever I go these days, one of them approaches me and starts sucking my cock.

Take last Sunday, for instance, when I casually struck up a conversation with this guy in the health-club locker room. Nothing fruity, just a couple of fellas talking about their workout routines while enjoying a nice hot shower. The guy looked like a real man's man, too–big biceps, meaty thighs, thick neck. He didn't seem the least bit gay. At least not until he started sucking my cock, that is.
http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/why-do ... cock-10861

Old joke by Nathaniel Baimel:

'I saw a study that said 1/10 people are gay.
I've slept with 10 people.
Which really weirded me out cos statistically at least one of those guys must be gay.'

#18739

After reading her blog I have the following "internet diagnosis."

Elyse is a very hardy drinker. She is also very fond of having numerous sex partners.

Large quantities of alcohol and a tendency for having free sex is bound to lead to some events of alcohol induced amnesia and disorientation combined with sex.

She probably doesn't even look all that drunk to her "rapey" sex partners. Or, if she does act drunk, her fellow drunken partners are in no shape to judge her condition.

This diagnosis explains the entire account very well. Her hostility in the ER. The fact that the ER isolated her. The fact that Mr. Drunken Raper didn't know the room number, then lied, then stayed, then ran. The snap of her loss in memory.... (Yes - I have had this experience and lost some friends because of my actions).

Elyse writes that a monogamous relationship is "gross." Haha. Well... I will take my form of gross over her form of gross any day. I see people like her in dive bars all the time. Human train wrecks who are so emotionally damaged and alcohol addicted that they walk from one disaster to the next.

Okay.. end of obviously unqualified internet diagnosis.

#18740

German StrutBoatsman wrote:And of course I hope the police does a thorough job on this. But until facts come out, I don't really believe Elyse's story.

Here's where it's going to get worse, by my guess. Unless she lives in a place that I've never heard of (or could even imagine in the US), the police need to budget their investigative time. As soon as they have heard half of her story, they will know that the odds there being both a crime to investigate and a chance of conviction are close to zero (without saying which factor is more responsible for the final value), so this "case" will not receive much attention. This will then trigger (if I'm even allowed to use that word any more) a new flurry of outraged tweets.

#18741

Brive1987 wrote: I guess this is what 1946 felt like.

this would make a great new mast head for the Pit, just for those FTB peeps to see when they drop by.

#18742

and... she is on psych meds while admitting to drinking with this new man friend. This is a biochemical disaster waiting to happen. A person can pass out just taking two Benedryl and two shots of Jack!

Yep.... I am feeling very confident in my "diagnosis."

It makes her story completely believable. She is actually not lying. Her blog account is 100% true to the best of her memory.

#18743

I don't like the Elyse posts at all, especially when it seems she is on the spectrum of borderline and schizotypy. You harm her by posting and rubbernecking. Imagine she was your sister and she couldn't help herself and nobody was there for her to stop her. Would you like it that she is the village idiot?

#18744

John D wrote: I see people like her in dive bars all the time. Human train wrecks who are so emotionally damaged and alcohol addicted that they walk from one disaster to the next.

What are you doing hanging out in dive bars with human train wrecks?

#18745

Parody Accountant wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:I am having a really difficult time believing the Elyse story. She got abducted from a public place with no awareness of what happened? She blanked out the memories (which does happen, but not all that often and rarely completely) and has no idea how she got there? If she was drugged, there would be signs and she would not have come out of it that quickly. That whole story stretches credulity, past the breaking point for me.

I don't think Watson was cruel or wrong to dump Elyse. She really is a toxic trainwreck in progress. I feel for her kids.
Yeah I am starting to agree. Still there is no need for rw vicious parting shot.

This woman needs help, and her kids need even more. But it's hard to have sympathy when she continues to blame everyone for HER actions.

Yeah. If she could just make a simple acknowledgement that she is a grown adult who has behaved selfishly and failed her family, that might make it easier to sympathise with her. But no, everyone's expected to just feel sorry for HER because bad things only happen to HER and the world revolves around HER.

I do pity this woman, and I wish her the best, but her self-centered attitude is frankly repulsive. A little humility would go a long way.

#18746

From Elyse's blog....

I was tired before. I am exhausted now.

And after a week of hiding in my house, never once leaving except to run... because that is my coping mechanism... I went out. And in the 90 minutes that I was out of the house, I was so grotesquely objectified that I want to crawl out of my skin and never face the light of day.

You don't have to think I'm hot. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter your opinion of me at all. The fact is, the way I am treated is real. And it is not okay. And I should not have to shut down brazen advances from men in front of my husband and in front of my children and in front of my parents and especially not in front of any combination of the three.

I am exhausted. And if I am disgusting and not even hot enough to rape, imagine how the 99% of women who are way hotter than me must feel. And start doing better. Because this shit is unacceptable.

She's mental. Anyone who so much as looks in her direction is 'objectifying her'.

She's on the path to Lena Kochman land....

#18747

Wow again. I haven't really read Ms. MoFo's blog as much as some of you.... but now that I have I am even more certain of my diagnosis. Alcohol induced amnesia.

Here is her account of her first "rape" where she passed out after making out with some college dude after a party. She wakes up half dressed and goes to the hospital and gets a rape kit done. No semen was found so it sounds like lots of petting and no "sex" (probably because she passed out). Still.... she blames the dood for this whole incident, and she was 100% forsure raped, and no one helped her. This whole thing forced her to drop out of school for some reason. She really is a drunk with giant emotional instability. Just a drunk. Pretty sad really.

Hmmm. I am kind of ashamed for finding this so interesting.... like watching a car crash over and over. I guess I am gross.

http://www.elyseanders.com/blog/2015/4/ ... nt-consent

#18748

Aneris wrote:I don't like the Elyse posts at all, especially when it seems she is on the spectrum of borderline and schizotypy. You harm her by posting and rubbernecking. Imagine she was your sister and she couldn't help herself and nobody was there for her to stop her. Would you like it that she is the village idiot?

I just logged in for the first time today and started reading backwards like I always do. So I don't exactly know what this is about yet but It does seem that a lot of people seem to take a lot of pleasure pointing and laughing at her.

Being in hardtimes myself I really don't dig that much.

It's not like she is actively out there commenting on world events for payment like Benson, Myeres, or Watson. She seems mostly to be chronicling her life online like a lot of us do.

#18749

Ape+lust wrote:
Billie from Ockham wrote:Now, I know that one needs to be careful when making inferences from global statistics to specific cases, but the odds of being raped four or more times as independent events is vanishingly small. Therefore, it makes sense to ask if some common factor across these events might be at least partly responsible.

And there I will stop, as one cannot mention the most obvious possibility without being a victim-blamer.
One of those 4 includes being held prisoner and used as a rape toy for months. If she's not lying about any of it, she's had a boggling history.

Could she by any chance also be part of the BDSM crowd?

#18750

Anterograde amnesia:

This disorder is usually acquired in one of two ways: One cause is benzodiazepine drugs such as; midazolam, flunitrazepam, lorazepam, temazepam, nitrazepam, triazolam, clonazepam, alprazolam, diazepam, and nimetazepam; all of which are known to have powerful amnesic effects. This has also been recorded in non-benzodiazapine sedatives or "z-drugs" which act on the same set of receptors; such as zolpidem (also known as Ambien), eszopiclone (also known as Lunesta), and zopiclone (also known by brand names Imovane and Zimovane).[3] Another cause is a traumatic brain injury in which damage is usually done to the hippocampus or surrounding cortices. It can also be caused by shock or an emotional disorder.[4]

That might account for Elyse's blackout, especially as she stated she planned to do some drinking too. As others have mentioned, these two don't mix well. What are the possibilities that her largest problems are her alcohol/drug abuse and those idiot psychologists/neurologists are right that she has no "organic" mental disease, only a behavior disorder?
Also the benzos may be doing far more harm than good:

Main articles: Benzodiazepine dependence, Benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome and post-acute withdrawal syndrome
Tolerance, dependence and withdrawal

The main problem of the chronic use of benzodiazepines is the development of tolerance and dependence. Tolerance manifests itself as diminished pharmacological effect and develops relatively quickly to the sedative, hypnotic, anticonvulsant, and muscle relaxant actions of benzodiazepines. Tolerance to anti-anxiety effects develops more slowly with little evidence of continued effectiveness beyond four to six months of continued use.[9] In general, tolerance to the amnesic effects does not occur.[78] However, controversy exists as to tolerance to the anxiolytic effects with some evidence that benzodiazepines retain efficacy[79] and opposing evidence from a systematic review of the literature that tolerance frequently occurs[18][23] and some evidence that anxiety may worsen with long-term use.[9] The question of tolerance to the amnesic effects of benzodiazepines is, likewise, unclear.[80] Some evidence suggests that partial tolerance does develop, and that, "memory impairment is limited to a narrow window within 90 minutes after each dose".[81]

#18751

Oglebart wrote:
I've been reading a little bit of Manosphere stuff following the names dropped by James Carruthers in a few posts. I'd never really delved into it any depth so some of it is quite interesting to me. Roosh V forum has been the source of some reading material lately, some of the guys posting on there are really out there, and I've been treating it as "internet people watching" if you get that? That site has been down since yesterday, victim of a DDOS attack, and following the trail it seems it is a fairly common occurrence. So I read a little more and it seems Roosh has been the victim of many campaigns to bar him, no platforming, etc. There's no doubt that the forum is pretty sleazy, and I've not read much of his stuff at all, so I don't have a informed opinion on him personally, but this censorship angle that his radfem critics take is far more offensive to me. Just another instance of the preferred SJW tactic of debtating, shut it all down. It really is shitty and it is important to rail against it. Thin end of the wedge, indeed.

Oh, I quite agree. I would never support shutting down websites like RooshV forums, Stormfront or any other sort of congregation point for insane nutters.

YouTube is also pretty good for watching crazy people be crazy. Search "reptilians" "flat earth" or "illuminati proof" and enjoy.

#18752

comhcinc wrote:
John D wrote: I see people like her in dive bars all the time. Human train wrecks who are so emotionally damaged and alcohol addicted that they walk from one disaster to the next.
What are you doing hanging out in dive bars with human train wrecks?

Karaoke! Karaoke in dive bars is super fun. I never get sexually attracted to anyone there because I am super private about sex.... perhaps due to a lifetime of having one solitary sex partner. So, I stay out of trouble. I am also a small guy so I don't ever get in fights (and women don't find me to be very sexually attractive... it is a blessing in the long run). Guys don't usually beat up stupid little singing nerds as long as they like the song.... and I am a really good singer. Haha.

#18753

http://i.imgur.com/iSQERqc.jpg

#18754

Oglebart wrote:On the other hand, Davis Aurini and Warcorpse are really funny lolcows, fascinating to watch for me, so thanks James Carruthers. Do you have any other hidden gems of internet drama like those idiots? Too funny.

You might enjoy The Atheist Gamer. Don't forget Warcorpse has his own cooking show called "Dave's Cooking Show" which features a program called "Bitch Make Me A Sandwich." :burn: :dance: :burn:

The recent Jordan Owen "art" video (I think it's called "everything is fine" or something) is also a brilliant piece of lolcow material.

[youtube]e3dspTBT4vM[/youtube]

I DARE YOU to make it through this entire video without skipping ahead or muting.

I like Owen, but c'mon. This is hilarious. :lol:

I hope Davis isn't slowly turning Owen into a lolcow like him.

Oh! And I heard that KingofPol is still kicking around (the holocaust denying /pol/tard who actually takes pol seriously lol) under the alias "Cucken Johnson." He has interviewed Aurini according to Owen. :dance: Not sure where that happened though.

#18755

Billie from Ockham wrote:This will then trigger (if I'm even allowed to use that word any more) a new flurry of outraged tweets.

People getting triggered from tweets or words in old books - that's all quite shameful. But basically it just means you can have a traumatic reaction to something that is not trauma-inducing in itself at all. Especially if your trauma is centred on sexuality and intimacy.
So, Elyse's conclusion - I had a traumatic reaction so something traumatic must have been done to me - is at least questionable especially if she really has no recollections about what's happened. And especially when earlier trauma is mixed with meds and alcohol.

And with that unfortunately the whole rape claim goes poof.

#18756

Some dude is dating, using the internet or an app, openly looking for sex-- or at-least dropping conversational hints that he's frisky & not misrepresenting his intentions.

Gets a date with a woman who presents herself as flirty, doesn't mean she's a 'sure thing' but nothing indicates she's not on the same page as him. They go to dinner, she's open-- even braggy-- about her promiscuity & that being a married mother means she's not looking for attaching-strings, either.

From the start, she says she has other plans later. Dude thinks, 'maybe she does-- or maybe she just always says-that, to make it easier to gently exit, if she's not into it.' If she's into dude, she can freely choose to drop the other plans.

She seems a little 'off'. But he's not a mind-reader. Who knows if she's just batty from being home alone with a little kid all day, not-enough adult interaction. Auditioning a possible new sex-buddy is stressful... maybe she's just nervous. Or it could be meds... not just garden-variety anti-depressants, anti-anxiety, etc. --but a woman her age could have thyroid conditions, or all kindsa stuff. Or, yeah, maybe she's high or drunk... not slurring her speech, or unable to get-around on her own 2 feet... but it's hard to tell if someone you just met is sober, when you don't have previous interactions to make a comparison. If he knew for-certain she was wasted, he'd do the right thing & decline; but why cockblock himself on a wild guess? She's an adult. He's not her parent. One thing he doesn't know is that she's facing felony charges for assaulting two police officers last month, during a blackout/panic attack; and if she doesn't position herself as a victim real-quick/ she might go to jail like a perp.

The dude times his attack perfectly: the WalkingAmnesia drug he has has access to, & snuck into her drink, kicks-in right before he asks the waiter for the check. Pretending to escort her to her friend outside, he misdirects her into his car & absconds with her to a hotel. Pre-arranged? Or rented on the fly? He talks her out of her clothes, with charm or else threats, puts on a condom & starts fucking her. The drug wears off too soon, before he can finish & ditch her.

Still in the restaurant, she gets giddy. Starts calling Beyonce her 'bae', and saying she's way-into "butt stuff". On one hand, she's acting nutsy. On the other hand, she's laughing & teasing him with insults... so she doesn't seem afraid of him. Based on how many guys she says she's dating, he figures that she must do-this all the time: if these red flags were real/ she'd have already freaked-out on some other guy last week, or the week before. What are the odd's he's randomly going to get blamed for going-along with her naughty routine?

They're at the hotel, they're about to screw... or maybe they already started; when suddenly she acts like she just bounced-back from The Matrix to our world. She's all "where am I? Who are you?!" She grabs her phone & heads for the bathroom. He fears the worst-- says "hey, what do ya need your phone-for in-there?"

She's on the phone. It's hard to hear, sounds bad. She demands to know the name of hotel & room number. Fuck, is she calling the cops? Or is this a set-up? What they used to call a "honey trap", and now some Russian dude is going to show-up, act mad, and demand money from him-- under threat of violence or a rape claim.

He knows that not-giving out their location looks bad, but he intentionally gives the room-number next door; just to protect himself. (We know he didn't just legitimately get the room number wrong, because Elyse can read minds. And she certainly didn't garble "Room 922".)

Ok, her people are on their way. That's bad, but maybe it's better than her & him alone. Maybe they'll listen to reason. He sure knows he'd better not flee like a guilty-looking-dude. Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck....

They're here. Dude opens the door, "She's in here. See, she's ok!"

"You Straight White Cis-Males Are All The Same! Rape Culture! Check your Privilege!"

Oh, fock.

#18757

comhcinc wrote:
John D wrote: I see people like her in dive bars all the time. Human train wrecks who are so emotionally damaged and alcohol addicted that they walk from one disaster to the next.
What are you doing hanging out in dive bars with human train wrecks?

Who do you think the guy in Elyse's story was?

#18758

Aneris wrote:I don't like the Elyse posts at all, especially when it seems she is on the spectrum of borderline and schizotypy. You harm her by posting and rubbernecking. Imagine she was your sister and she couldn't help herself and nobody was there for her to stop her. Would you like it that she is the village idiot?

I'm sorry, but until people with serious mental-health issues are prevented from having significant effects on my life I will continue to marginalize them, such that the odds of them having future significant effects on my life is reduced.

Yeah, there are other ways for me to achieve my goal. And for all you know, I'm doing those, too. But the suggestion that I haven't thought enough about what I am doing and/or that there is no positive function to my posts about Elyse is hereby rejected with a hearty fuck off.

#18759

NoGodsEver wrote:
comhcinc wrote:
John D wrote: I see people like her in dive bars all the time. Human train wrecks who are so emotionally damaged and alcohol addicted that they walk from one disaster to the next.
What are you doing hanging out in dive bars with human train wrecks?
Who do you think the guy in Elyse's story was?

Ben Radford

#18760

Parody Accountant wrote:
NoGodsEver wrote:Who do you think the guy in Elyse's story was?
Ben Radford

Now you've awakened the BRIVE :shock:

#18761

German StrutBoatsman wrote:
Billie from Ockham wrote:This will then trigger (if I'm even allowed to use that word any more) a new flurry of outraged tweets.
People getting triggered from tweets or words in old books - that's all quite shameful. But basically it just means you can have a traumatic reaction to something that is not trauma-inducing in itself at all. Especially if your trauma is centred on sexuality and intimacy.
So, Elyse's conclusion - I had a traumatic reaction so something traumatic must have been done to me - is at least questionable especially if she really has no recollections about what's happened. And especially when earlier trauma is mixed with meds and alcohol.

And with that unfortunately the whole rape claim goes poof.

Triggering refers to PTSD. PTSD is when the memories of a traumatic event continually impose themselves on your consciousness, blocking out all else and preventing you from functioning.

There's no way events you can't remember constitute memories that drive out everything else except in movies made before Freud was discredited.

#18762

Ophelia Benson wrote:Absolutely. This kind of thing makes any kind of feminism seem like a pool of piranhas.

I think what the heresy-sniffing assholes at Purethought Blogs did to me will have a similar effect; I think all these eruptions have a similar effect. LOOK OUT!! DON’T GO NEAR!!

See more at: http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/201 ... /#comments

http://i.imgur.com/FAOavcS.jpg

Ophelia would surely enjoy Jan Steen's The Pharyngulanhas by now. How about making a self-referential episode, how Benson is at least acknowledging their lived experience as piranhas (and an url where to find the series). Maybe someone tweets it to her then, or posts it on her blog underneath (I'd try as well).

#18763

Aneris wrote:I don't like the Elyse posts at all, especially when it seems she is on the spectrum of borderline and schizotypy. You harm her by posting and rubbernecking. Imagine she was your sister and she couldn't help herself and nobody was there for her to stop her. Would you like it that she is the village idiot?

That's how I feel about it too. I don't know the person concerned, but in general when things get a bit too weird I try to err on the side of charity.

#18764

Ape+lust wrote:Mo' drama.

I Thought I Retired from Getting Raped

She did "everything right" and still she got raped. Therefore, it is un-possible to avoid rape. Rape is inevitable.

Of course, there's a big hole in her memory where the abduction/rape occurred.

Funny, her hubby and a friend had the guy. Had him. But, instead of holding him, they ran him off.

Wait, why is she going on dates with guys and then calling up her husband and friends to come save her from getting raped? This makes zero sense to me.

I'm guessing that this guy roofied her IF what she's saying is true. If what she's saying is true, then yeah it sounds like rape.

But it's really hard to know how much of her story is true and how much is the mad ramblings of an alcoholic drug-addict substance abuser.

I wonder what Rebecca Watson would say to this? Would she agree with Elyse and say yeah, you got raped? Or would she commiserate with us about how Elyse is a lying narcissist who drinks herself blind drunk, pops pills and then cheats on Mr. Banders?

#18765

Parody Accountant wrote:Jesus . Elyse. ... come on 5 times?

Stop dating people in blackouts. ..
You are a mom. Stay Your Ass HOME

Fuck those kids! FUCK THEM.

Mommy gotta get her drink on at a man's expense. God knows HoneyBanders don't do it for her. Househubby can keep his ass home and mind the sprats while she's chugging that booze.

#18766

Aneris wrote:I don't like the Elyse posts at all, especially when it seems she is on the spectrum of borderline and schizotypy. You harm her by posting and rubbernecking. Imagine she was your sister and she couldn't help herself and nobody was there for her to stop her. Would you like it that she is the village idiot?

Nope, we don't harm her by posting.

I don't like that she's the village idiot, but pretending she isn't-- doesn't solve the problem.

You see her as a victim. I see that as secondary to the men she's victimizing... This is the 3rd time her rape claims have reached the authorities, that we know-of.

#18767

Tigzy wrote:http://i.imgur.com/lliM6dy.png

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I would like to announce that I am the perfect feminist ally.

I have never once tried to "make it all about me" by agreeing or responding favourably with any feminist on twitter. I have never once showed my privilege by interacting in any way with a feminist on twitter.

Not one single time.

Where's my cookies ?

#18768

free thoughtpolice wrote:Anterograde amnesia:

*snip*

I've taken Lorazepam before, and I don't remember any episode of amne...

Oh...

Anyway, I'll join the side of "not cool". I don't it's our business.

#18769

Opie still can't extrapolate from her own experiences:

Zoé S. ‏@ztsamudzi
I’m so aghast at @AliceDreger’s list. But at this point, she and others are far too invested in structural violence to believe otherwise.
Too invested in structural violence? What can Zoé S mean by that? I wondered, so I looked at the whole long string of tweets about Alice Dreger’s piece. It’s full of that kind of thing.

Like this one:

Zoé S. ‏@ztsamudzi 7 hours ago
Trans women don’t need to be an ally to us cis women because it isn’t incumbent upon them to CODDLE VIOLENT OPPRESSORS.
What VIOLENT OPPRESSORS? Why is Zoé S claiming that cis women are VIOLENT OPPRESSORS? What can she possibly mean by saying that?

Why are so many people, including cis women, so enraged at cis women? Why are they claiming we are VIOLENT OPPRESSORS?

And this:

Zoé S. ‏@ztsamudzi 7 hours ago

Fellow cis women, be lucky that “TERF” is all you’re being called: violent patriarchal transmisogynistic abusive gatekeeper comes to mind.
And this:

Zoé S. ‏@ztsamudzi 7 hours ago

I don’t have any well-reasoned thing to say anymore. Just shut up with this violent understanding of sex & gender, leave trans women alone.
What is a “violent understanding of sex & gender”?

And this:

Zoé S. ‏@ztsamudzi 7 hours ago

We cis women owe our trans sisters OUR support because we are directly responsible for the state & interpersonal structures abusing them.
How? How are we directly responsible for that?

Maybe the answer is depressingly simple – we’re not, but it’s easy to rage and shout at cis women on Twitter while it’s much more difficult to do anything about state & interpersonal structures.

It’s easy, yes, but is it productive and useful? No, it’s not. It creates hostility where there doesn’t need to be any. Trans people need much better allies than this.

http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/not ... ByKVF.dpuf

Try replacing 'cis-women' with 'men' and 'trans' with 'women' Opie.

#18770

Shatterface wrote:Triggering refers to PTSD. PTSD is when the memories of a traumatic event continually impose themselves on your consciousness, blocking out all else and preventing you from functioning.

There's no way events you can't remember constitute memories that drive out everything else except in movies made before Freud was discredited.

Maybe I was unclear there but I do believe that Elyse got some kind of PTSD from a real event in the past. Don't know what to make of your last sentence.

#18771

John D wrote:After reading her blog I have the following "internet diagnosis."

Elyse is a very hardy drinker. She is also very fond of having numerous sex partners.

Large quantities of alcohol and a tendency for having free sex is bound to lead to some events of alcohol induced amnesia and disorientation combined with sex.

She probably doesn't even look all that drunk to her "rapey" sex partners. Or, if she does act drunk, her fellow drunken partners are in no shape to judge her condition.

This diagnosis explains the entire account very well. Her hostility in the ER. The fact that the ER isolated her. The fact that Mr. Drunken Raper didn't know the room number, then lied, then stayed, then ran. The snap of her loss in memory.... (Yes - I have had this experience and lost some friends because of my actions).

Elyse writes that a monogamous relationship is "gross." Haha. Well... I will take my form of gross over her form of gross any day. I see people like her in dive bars all the time. Human train wrecks who are so emotionally damaged and alcohol addicted that they walk from one disaster to the next.

Okay.. end of obviously unqualified internet diagnosis.

IMO the two possibilities are what you just laid out, OR he roofied her and everything she's saying is true, even the parts that don't make sense.

My father was an alcoholic and his amnesia+lies were a thing of beauty to behold. There is no bullshit so convincing as the lie you yourself believe. :lol:

Holy shit, Banders, you're going to turn me into a misogynist if you keep this up. Get a hold on your woman! Put her back in the kitchen until she dries out!

And Aneris, this discussion really isn't any different or worse than what people say about PZ, Surly or Rebecca. Stop tone-policing me, you SJW! :naughty:

I'm the only SJW allowed to do that around here. :snooty:

#18772

Service Dog wrote:
Aneris wrote:I don't like the Elyse posts at all, especially when it seems she is on the spectrum of borderline and schizotypy. You harm her by posting and rubbernecking. Imagine she was your sister and she couldn't help herself and nobody was there for her to stop her. Would you like it that she is the village idiot?
Nope, we don't harm her by posting.

I don't like that she's the village idiot, but pretending she isn't-- doesn't solve the problem.

You see her as a victim. I see that as secondary to the men she's victimizing... This is the 3rd time her rape claims have reached the authorities, that we know-of.

Why am I agreeing with Service Dog? Fuck.

Either she's an amazing magnet for rapists, which is possible since she's at so many bars getting sloshed all the time... Or she's a heavy drinker and she likes to sleep around, and in the process of that frequently forgets where she is or how she got there or if she consented, and ends up calling the cops on a similarly-drunk guy who had no real intention to rape.

Funny how Rebecca, who also loves sex and drinking, doesn't have nearly so many tales of rape.

#18773

The whole tone of Elyse's latest post is weird. The whole, half-jokey way she talks about how she thought she was done being raped in her life, and now she's raped again, oopsie! Just weird and off, but then, she's nuts, so what can one expect?

#18774

It's funny to remember that Elyse once lost her shit over being propositioned. She talks sex nonstop, her websites are clearinghouses for everything about poop, diarrhea, and enemas, she regularly has impromptu dates with guys who, judging from the pictures, are the 21st century equivalents of lounge lizards. But a few years ago, when a couple she knew from Facebook offered a threesome via calling card, she went ballistic. Made such a stink a psychologist named Marty Klein noticed and wrote an article about it. He suggested there was a difference between unwanted sexual attention and sexual harassment. This just notched her fury up and she blasted him again and again from the Skepchick website and her own. And THAT was such a spectacle an Australian newspaper noticed and wrote up an article mostly agreeing with Klein. Then an Aussie TV program had the author of the piece on for a short segment about Elyse's problem with swingers.

And of course, her "victimization" was used to fuel the Skepchick drive to foist fem-approved behavior policies on conferences.

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#18775

Jan Steen wrote:http://i.imgur.com/iSQERqc.jpg

They look great. Can I play with them?

#18776

James Caruthers wrote:
Parody Accountant wrote:Jesus . Elyse. ... come on 5 times?

Stop dating people in blackouts. ..
You are a mom. Stay Your Ass HOME
Fuck those kids! FUCK THEM.

That could be misinterpreted.

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#18777

James Caruthers wrote:
Service Dog wrote:
Aneris wrote:I don't like the Elyse posts at all, especially when it seems she is on the spectrum of borderline and schizotypy. You harm her by posting and rubbernecking. Imagine she was your sister and she couldn't help herself and nobody was there for her to stop her. Would you like it that she is the village idiot?
Nope, we don't harm her by posting.

I don't like that she's the village idiot, but pretending she isn't-- doesn't solve the problem.

You see her as a victim. I see that as secondary to the men she's victimizing... This is the 3rd time her rape claims have reached the authorities, that we know-of.
Why am I agreeing with Service Dog? Fuck.

Either she's an amazing magnet for rapists, which is possible since she's at so many bars getting sloshed all the time... Or she's a heavy drinker and she likes to sleep around, and in the process of that frequently forgets where she is or how she got there or if she consented, and ends up calling the cops on a similarly-drunk guy who had no real intention to rape.

Funny how Rebecca, who also loves sex and drinking, doesn't have nearly so many tales of rape.

Maybe when the money runs out

#18778

Funny how Rebecca, who also loves sex and drinking, doesn't have nearly so many tales of rape.

She gets lots of rape threats though. She probably is the type that attracts rapists that like to warn her beforehand.

#18779

I'm sure Pz is writing his blog post about elyse NEW rape.

She was a poster victim before. He simply must be taking a while to post it.

I mean if he doesn't post anything about the new rape, it kinda looks bad on him. Like he's intentionally not talking about it because he doesn't believe her.

Can someone please tweet pz the news.

#18780

Aneris wrote:I don't like the Elyse posts at all, especially when it seems she is on the spectrum of borderline and schizotypy. You harm her by posting and rubbernecking. Imagine she was your sister and she couldn't help herself and nobody was there for her to stop her. Would you like it that she is the village idiot?

I think we are all assuming that the baboon crowd has some degree of agency and control of their actions. What if Ophelia can't help it? What about P.Z.? They are creating situations based on their PoMo nonsensense, but I believe that even Elyse has the power to change, should she realize that course is wrong. Satire may help, nothing else seems to.