Happy 3rd Pit Birthday!

[Brive1987]

Here is Sharon Hill's article on the demise of JREF and the end of her involvment with the organisation.

http://doubtfulnews.com/2015/09/jref-ch ... ackground/

Becoming a backroom funder must leave DJ with a wry smile. Remember he was ousted to make way for the elusive public education revolution. What a con.

From all of a whole year ago:

This restructuring is part of an enhanced educational agenda aimed at inspiring an investigative spirit in a new generation of critical thinkers by engaging children and their parents, as well as educators and the general public, in how to think about the many extraordinary claims we hear every day.

[Kirbmarc]

I guess that it's not for us to judge whether Butts committed a crime, but in my humble opinion there is enough room to start an investigation. I think that at the very least there is enough evidence to justify a warrant to seize Butts' hard drives and computers.

This is a serious situation and he law system is surely better equipped at dealing with the case than a bunch of people on the Internet. However even if the pictures that Butts collected are within the limits of the law she remains someone I wouldn't let close to children, and her denunciation of child porn reeks of hypocrisy.

The fact that someone who clearly has some issues with her deviant sexual attractions and her behavior thinks it's within her rights to pontificate about other people's non-deviant sexual desires and perfectly legal behaviors (like playing video game with big-titted characters) is pretty hypocritical, too.

[jimthepleb]

Here is a web tool that will check your writing is kept politically correct.
alexjs.com/
LMFAO

[jimthepleb]

Introduction
Whether your own or someone else

[d4m10n]

Here is Sharon Hill's article on the demise of JREF and the end of her involvment with the organisation.

http://doubtfulnews.com/2015/09/jref-ch ... ackground/

Becoming a backroom funder must leave DJ with a wry smile. Remember he was ousted to make way for the elusive public education revolution.

Oddly enough, they don't specify what happens to TAM.

Well, at least we still have Skepticon.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Skepticon is very close, phonetically, to the French "ces p'tits con", which translates to "those little cunts".

Just sayin'.

[Tapir]

Here is a web tool that will check your writing is kept politically correct.
alexjs.com/
LMFAO

http://i.imgur.com/ZUnxRpk.jpg

[windy]

Those of you who are bitching about the hypocrisy surrounding certain people asking Yes or No questions need to stop beating around the bush (whether it be shaved or naturally hirsute) and clearly state where you stand on trans* answers. Is a trans*Yes response a true Yes or not? Is a trans*No response a true No or not? And please don't tell me that my query, as worded, begs the question. That kind of sophistry pisses me off.

Stop trying to impose your colonial "yes or no" binary on us. Assent and dissent exist on a spectrum.

[dogen]

Here is a web tool that will check your writing is kept politically correct.
alexjs.com/
LMFAO

http://i.imgur.com/ZUnxRpk.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/YkNKEpn.png

[Cnutella]

However, I do wonder what a police investigation would reveal. I wonder what the encrypted hard drives really contain. I bet she has already burned her hard drives to the ground.

That's my reading too... srhbutts is extremely creepy and If all the chat logs are exactly as reported then I am sure she probably had quite the CP collection. But if you' have the sense to store it on an encrypted external HD then you are also smart enough to have done everything reasonably possible to cover your tracks online and to thoroughly overwrite the data and pulverize/trash the drive platters the moment these allegations started being talked about (or at least once they started toget traction.

I suspect the only way srhbutts is going to get busted is if she was already part of an ongoing investigation, or if she ever messed directly with her niece.

This has to be an even bigger nightmare than allegations like this would usually be for that kid and her family - not only are the accusations now out in public, you're also dealing with the Internet justice steam train.

[jimthepleb]

The lyrics to Colored Spade from Hair:

I'm a
Colored spade
A nigger
A black nigger
A jungle bunny
Jigaboo coon
Pickaninny mau mau

Uncle Tom
Aunt Jemima
Little Black Sambo

Cotton pickin'
Swamp guinea
Junk man
Shoeshine boy

Elevator operator
Table cleaner at Horn & Hardart
Slave voodoo
Zombie
Ubangi lipped

Flat nose
Tap dancin'
Resident of Harlem

And president of
The United States of Love
President of
The United States of Love

(and if you ask him to dinner you're going to feed him:)

Watermelon
Hominy grits
An' shortnin' bread
Alligator ribs
Some pig tails
Some black eyed peas
Some chitlins
Some collard greens

And if you don't watch out
This boogie man will get you
Booooooooo!



Alex's verdict:

Uncle may be insensitive, use Relative instead
Aunt may be insensitive, use Relative instead
boy may be insensitive, use kid, child instead
him may be insensitive, use their, theirs, them instead
him may be insensitive, use their, theirs, them instead

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Mmmmhhh... Can someone run Cannibal Corpse's "Fucked With a Knife" or "Addicted to Vaginal Skin" through this Alex thing? It would be fun.

[jimthepleb]

Cannibal Corpse Fucked with a knife. (Get Fucked with a knife ringtone(I lol'd))

No escape from your fate
Destined to be mine
Every night I want to see
In the night, watching

Stalking your every move
I know when you're alone
All alone

Tied tight to the bed
Legs spread open
Bruised flesh, lacerations
Skin stained with blood

I'm the only one you love
I feel her heart beating
My knife deep inside
Her crotch is bleeding

She liked the way it felt inside her
Fucking her, harder, harder
She liked the way it felt inside her
Fucking her, harder, harder

Stick it in, rip the skin
Carve and twist torn flesh
From behind, I cut her crotch
In her ass I stuck my cock
Killing as I cum


her may be insensitive, use their, theirs, them instead
Her may be insensitive, use Their, Theirs, Them instead
She may be insensitive, use They, It instead
her may be insensitive, use their, theirs, them instead
her may be insensitive, use their, theirs, them instead
She may be insensitive, use They, It instead
her may be insensitive, use their, theirs, them instead
her may be insensitive, use their, theirs, them instead
her may be insensitive, use their, theirs, them instead
her may be insensitive, use their, theirs, them instead

[jimthepleb]

I'm seeing a theme here.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Karmakin]

I guess that it's not for us to judge whether Butts committed a crime, but in my humble opinion there is enough room to start an investigation. I think that at the very least there is enough evidence to justify a warrant to seize Butts' hard drives and computers.

This is a serious situation and he law system is surely better equipped at dealing with the case than a bunch of people on the Internet. However even if the pictures that Butts collected are within the limits of the law she remains someone I wouldn't let close to children, and her denunciation of child porn reeks of hypocrisy.

The fact that someone who clearly has some issues with her deviant sexual attractions and her behavior thinks it's within her rights to pontificate about other people's non-deviant sexual desires and perfectly legal behaviors (like playing video game with big-titted characters) is pretty hypocritical, too.

What concerns me, although this isn't a new concern as it's 100% expected, is the tribalism at play. There's no such thing as ethics, values or standards to these people. All that counts is your social status and affiliation. That's it. One set of rules for the in-group, another set of rules for the out-group.

This is actually what people are complaining about. Everything comes back to that. That's what we've seen with FTB, that's what we've seen with GG, that's what you see everywhere.

Actual moralists, honestly, I don't mind. They tend to be earnest and in the end they're looking for progress and solutions, even if I disagree with them. Tribalists...not at all. Progress and solutions? No. It's all about flying the right flag.

Which I find annoying as fuck.

[jimthepleb]

What concerns me, although this isn't a new concern as it's 100% expected, is the tribalism at play. There's no such thing as ethics, values or standards to these people. All that counts is your social status and affiliation. That's it. One set of rules for the in-group, another set of rules for the out-group.

This is actually what people are complaining about. Everything comes back to that. That's what we've seen with FTB, that's what we've seen with GG, that's what you see everywhere.

Actual moralists, honestly, I don't mind. They tend to be earnest and in the end they're looking for progress and solutions, even if I disagree with them. Tribalists...not at all. Progress and solutions? No. It's all about flying the right flag.

Which I find annoying as fuck.

This is the crux for me. White working class boys are falling way behind in education here in the UK but no'one is talking about it. These blue-haired middle-class twinks will kick up an enormous stink if you try. Class is the one issue they won't touch because they gain 0 oppression points. Ophelia Benson is an inveterate social snob and all the SJW's I've seen are intellectual snobs of the worst kind.

[Ape+lust]

Continuing with the Wimmens on our Moneees series:

http://imgur.com/LjOegur.jpg

[jimthepleb]

:clap:

Continuing with the Wimmens on our Moneees series:

http://imgur.com/LjOegur.jpg

:clap:

[Ape+lust]

:clap:

Continuing with the Wimmens on our Moneees series:

http://imgur.com/LjOegur.jpg

:clap:

Thank kyew Jim! :dance:

[Scented Nectar]

Posting this in the main thread since I want it to get maximum eyes.

Thought re doxxing.

Yes, there is almost always an element of uncertainty about it, so making a bright-line rule is next to impossible. Overall the Pit actually does a pretty damn good job about policing and preventing it. I don't want it to be seen as a fetishistic thing, since that just gives DayDays, Flanhead, etc., something to hang their pissing and whining on and try and play gotcha! games.

So, here you go:

I, as Pit Digger in Chief, frown very, very strongly on doxxing and sharing personal/private/IRL information that is not trivially found at all times. If I believe it's done with malicious intent that is even worse. I expect everyone to use common sense when posting stuff - if you are including details in your post that a reasonable person would expect that the subject would not want shared, think very carefully before you do so. You could end up with a ban. If you make an honest mistake, PM me or one of the mods and we'll try to put the genie back in the bottle, but can't guarantee so to do.

If a newbie does something, unless it's particularly, egregious, they MAY get a free one-time pass. Or maybe not. If a regular does something, no excuses - you fucked up, and you're gone.

None of us (except DayDays, Steerzo, Flanhead, and Colon) is perfect, so there may be mistakes. I rely on the collected wisdom of the Pit to help out here. I've been a dick in the past and will likely do so again. But together we can get it jut about right.

I'd appreciate comments and thoughts on this from regulars who post in good faith. Any holier-than-thou cunts can fuck off. Trying to parse every edge case is a worthless exercise, and I'm going to ignore comments from turds who are trying to lay oh-so-clever traps.

You run this place quite well. I may be a complaining whinger sometimes, but the only real complaint I have with you is that your tits are nicer than mine.

[Sunder]

Dont miss the latest JREF wind down news.

http://web.randi.org/home/jref-status

Predictably Peez is celebrating the demise of old white TAM-centric skepticism. Apparently its never been the same since the squealing skepchicks decamped.

Been a while since he could celebrate something.

If I've been ninja'ed, meh.

You have to feel a little bad for Randi since he's likely to die having seen his namesake organization get tanked by awful, awful people.

That said, I'd celebrate the demise of the entire "skeptical" conference scene, or at least seeing it dry up for a few years. The whole thing needs a fresh start without the current crop of anti-skeptic parasites clinging on.

[Service Dog]

Now you can say "no SJW can ever be reasonable because I define SJWs as unreasonable" but all you've done there is either invoke tribalism or (more charitably) defined all the reasonable extreme liberals out of the "SJW" camp.

Except I never said that. You said that. I said the exact-opposite: that to draw a distinction between "feminists" and "radfems" is to pretend there is a significant camp of "feminists" who aren't "radfems". I say no such camp exists.

Likewise, I think "SJW" is a red-herring term, if-- by drawing attention to the obvious clowns-- you give cover to the Orwellian design flaws among the-types-of-liberals who you call "reasonable extreme liberals".

In other words: when someone like me tries to critique Social Justice, it's not sufficient for someone like you to say 'well, sure, the social justice WARRIORS are bad...' Saying-that isn't exculpatory of the SJ's who lack a W. Saying-that just fails to meet my criticism of Social Justice head-on.

If an SJW is just an unreasonable liberal by definition, then basically none of the people I have touted as "reasonable SJWs" count as "SJW" under this definition. They're liberals or shitlibs or extreme libs.

SJW as a term is very poorly defined because it's a sort of mutation/mockery. Much like "feminazi" it has both valid and invalid applications. I believe Rush Limbaugh popularized the term "feminazi." Rush would call a woman fighting for her abortion rights a feminazi slut, but that doesn't mean that someone calling FEMEN "feminazis" is necessarily wrong to use that term.

Likewise, SJW has FREQUENTLY been used in the right-wing parts of the internet as a term for ANY liberal who says anything right-wingers find objectionable. That definition of an SJW is bullshit. But calling PZ an SJW would be very accurate, because he sees himself as some champion of the oppressed, while continually acting like a fucking asshole to everyone and jacking himself off over how tolerant he is.

I'm not trying to speak reasonable SJWs into existence. They already exist depending on how you define your terms.

If both you & Rush Limbaugh agree that "feminazi" can accurately be applied to FEMEN, then that-much is stipulated & we can stop talking about fucking FEMEN. If Rush then contends that "a woman fighting for her abortion rights" is also a feminazi... and you disagree... then the thing to do debate whether she's indeed a feminazi.

The thing NOT to do-- is what you do-- reiterate that the abortion-slut isn't a FEMEN, and end your defense of her there.

Your penchant for doing-that is especially-lame, given-that you choose the opposite tactic when it comes to MRAs. In that case, you're perfectly happy to point to Aurini the nazi... and use your broad brush to paint non-Aurini MRAs as essentially-the-same as Aurini. You draw no distinction, when it suits your agenda.

[CommanderTuvok]

By the SJW standards of evidence when it comes to sexual crimes, srhbutts is a fucking nonce. Throw her in fucking prison with the other nonces.

[Tribble]

"Nigger" also invokes a bloody history of human rights abuse and treating other humans like resources to be exploited. "Cunt" does not.

The industrial slave trade is one of the most immoral things to have happened in our (relatively) recent history, and I would think the same regardless of the color of people exploited, murdered, raped and left to die by neglect. The Middle Passage alone, holy shit.

I suppose a case could be made that the widespread deaths in WW1 and WW2 exceeded the horror of the industrial slave trade in sheer death and inhumanity, but WW2 at least had a moral rationale. The best one can do in defense of the industrial slave trade is Gul Darheel's "We needed your resources! Everything I did was for the greater glory of Cardassia!"

I can remember reading a history book a couple of decades back, that made the argument that slavery was partly the result of Christian moralizing over the fate of individuals who were on the losing side of internal African wars of the 16th to 19th centuries. The fate of these individuals was generally death and so taking them away - even if it meant their enslavement - was seen as a more moral option (hence many of the more prolific slavers were highly religious.)
I don't know if this is backed up by the facts - I suspect you will find opposing evidence if you look carefully.

Nope. It had to do with the extinction of the Arawak and Caribbean indians under Columbus and the Spanish. In fact, at first the slave trade was West-to-East, but the Indians exported to Spain kept dying of Western diseases so the Spanish Court (who was profiting off of Columbus) nixed further West-East slavery.

But once Columbus set up the Spanish plantation system, they started to import black slaves. Mostly because they'd killed off the native population. In his first two years of governing, Columbus killed over half the indians on Hispaniola (which today contains the nations of Haiti and the Dominican Republic. And this was not a little island. It's 29,000 + square miles and, at the time, had well over a quarter million indians living on it.

And that's as far as I'll go on Columbus. He was a vile shitstain of a human right up there with other horrible mass murders and I see no need to soil my mind with active remembrance of his atrocities.

[jimthepleb]

By the SJW standards of evidence when it comes to sexual crimes, srhbutts is a fucking nonce. Throw her in fucking prison with the other nonces.

NO! throw her in gen pop.
Reading about 'her' getting an erection while 'she's' around her cousin is causing me all kinds of cognitive dissonance. Does this make me a transphobe? Fuck it, I'm beyond caring these days. But from the pics I've seen of her she is making almost no effort to 'pass' besides the greasy long hair.
http://theralphretort.com/wp-content/up ... AAuFEA.png

[Tribble]

Re: Kim Davis.

Can anyone explain to me how she can be imprisoned for not carrying out her duties but not sacked?

As I recall she is an elected official. That might have something to do with it.

Isn't prison preventing her from carrying out the work she is elected to carry out?

If she stood down and was re-elected on a platform of non-compliance with gay marriage what would happen? Could someone be impeached for doing exactly what they said they'd do?

Impeachment is an indictment of a government official for crimes or failure to exercise the duties of their office. It doesn't actually remove them. That requires a separate trial by a legislative body or the Courts depending at the level (Federal, State, Local) and what the Constitutional/Charter requires.

And she could not only be impeached and subsequently removed from office (which is possible in Kentucky), but she could even barred from ever standing for election and holding a public office again if the Kentucky Charter/Constitution would allow that.

She is not imprisoned for not carrying out her duties. She is imprisoned for Contempt of Court because she refused to comply with a Court Order to do her job. It's a technicality, but it's also the reality.

[Service Dog]

However, I do wonder what a police investigation would reveal. I wonder what the encrypted hard drives really contain. I bet she has already burned her hard drives to the ground.

Didn't that takedown-video include chatlogs from years-ago, in which Nybergbutts said her hard-drives had already been seized?

[Sunder]

http://theralphretort.com/wp-content/up ... AAuFEA.png

Just in case it wasn't obvious, the wide shot is a shoop.

I can tell from the pixels and having seen quite a few shoops in my time. Also I saw the /cow/ thread where it was made.

[Sunder]

Also if you have an HDD barbecue and the police can't seize evidence does that not qualify as obstruction of justice?

[jimthepleb]

http://theralphretort.com/wp-content/up ... AAuFEA.png

Just in case it wasn't obvious, the wide shot is a shoop.

I can tell from the pixels and having seen quite a few shoops in my time. Also I saw the /cow/ thread where it was made.

Sorry yes the composition is shooped. The pic of #fuckbutts and the quotes are legit though. I assumed that would be obvious.

[KiwiInOz]

I'm sorry I called everyone assholes just now. I was going through a rough patch.

No, no, we're assholes.

Fuck you. Some of us are arseholes. Dont erase our existance.

[Tribble]

This will get ugly

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COCKoCgWUAAMSsu.png

I think it will be beautiful. But then art is always defined by the eye of the beholder. And I think this will be a masterpiece. Of course, I used to have this shirt which I used to wear to piss off the Hippies in Mendocino County:

https://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/59575 ... 098055.jpg

I loved that shirt.

[jimthepleb]

I think it will be beautiful. But then art is always defined by the eye of the beholder. And I think this will be a masterpiece. Of course, I used to have this shirt which I used to wear to piss off the Hippies in Mendocino County:

https://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/59575 ... 098055.jpg

I loved that shirt.

It will be ugly for the rest of her family. Especially her cousin and her immediate family.
Butts downfall will be a thing of beauty.

[fuzzy]

I'm sorry I called everyone assholes just now. I was going through a rough patch.

No, no, we're assholes.

Fuck you. Some of us are arseholes. Dont erase our existance.

Trans-asshole here. I used to be a really nice guy, but fuck that.

[Tribble]

Sarah Butts/Nyberg is definitely a shady character. I don't know if she's done everything that Milo talks about in the email posted above, but she there is some evidence that she defended the idea of sex with children and argued that the only reason why it's damaging for the children is because "our society is sex-negative". Even if she isn't an active pedophile she seems to be, at the very least, a pedophilia apologist.

If she's done what Milo says she's done she has committed several crimes and should be arrested and prosecuted.

That's the kind of thing peodophiles say. Despite all the evidence to the contrary that it does damage children emotionally and physically. And in some irony, the whole 'damaged thing, therefore SA victim not rapist-monster' is what gets the self-admitted child-rapist Ogvorbis a free pass.

Ogvorbis was raped as a child. Sympathy and understanding for that is the norm in society, including (as far as I can tell) the vast majority here in the 'Pit.

That Ogvorbis turned around and raped other children, however, is not acceptable by society and (as far as I can tell) the vast majority of the 'Pit.

Yet at FTB, the second is washed away. As if it doesn't matter. Well it did matter to the victims. It mattered a whole damn lot. And Oggies crying about it while wearing a hair shirt is no excuse to accept it in light of he's never, ever indicated that he's ever tried to make any kind of restitution or amends.

Of course, I don't believe his story, either. It seems like a confabulation and a variant of the Christian "I'm a sinner, look at my trials" gambit done for sympathy and manipulate people. A gambit much like the gambit (actually grounded in reality) Pastor Maury does at Cornerstone Church in Nashville when he trots out the luggage to represent the burden in life he carries for murdering a woman because she spilled paint on his boots.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

How did Klingons go from dudes with mustaches and beards to having those big tumor things on their heads? And speaking of mustaches and beards, how come the dudes from the parallel evil universe have them and the ones from the "good" universe are cleancut goodie goodies?
:think: :ugeek:

I know, right? The dudes in the evil parallel universe should've been wearing fedoras.

[Brive1987]

Here is Sharon Hill's article on the demise of JREF and the end of her involvment with the organisation.

http://doubtfulnews.com/2015/09/jref-ch ... ackground/

Becoming a backroom funder must leave DJ with a wry smile. Remember he was ousted to make way for the elusive public education revolution.

Oddly enough, they don't specify what happens to TAM.

Well, at least we still have Skepticon.

Sharon did a Sgt Shultz. But someone said the PCO was signed on for next year ....

[Matt Cavanaugh]

They've excused Ogvorbis' crimes because of his previous abuse and because he was a minor when he abused his victims, but I don't think that the same excuse is going to work with Butts. What Milo alleges, if true, is way too much for them to rationalize it as "she's the real victim", since she committed her crimes when she was 20 or even 22 and hasn't given any history of sexual abuse as an excuse.

The Gender Binary is a form of sexual abuse in itself.

[Tribble]

Maybe I'm mistaken, but if that was stated somewhere as the reason (is, on some pedophile web site), then I think that crosses the legal line and into child pornography. The children do not have to be undressed, from what I've read about the Jared situation.

OK. I am playing loose with interpretation, as in I was reading between the lines. Butts stated that she had photos of her cousin in states of undress (which in other statements boiled down to being in a swimsuit). In other statements Butts made, she stated that she had an encrypted drive of minors in "states of undress" which I assume to be an overstatement for 'skantily clad minors', which is a fucking hard concept for me to process, but I am lead to believe they were all dress reasonably, it was only her personal attraction that deemed them sexual in any way. I am making the accusation the she was using it as a spank bank; that was not stated. I don't believe she posted that on pedo specific boards or chat forums, or the odds are we would never have seen it. I suspect she posted it on chat forums where she thought no one would care or take her seriously. I suspect she was showing of a shot or two. I inferred she was hoping other people of her persuasion would add it to their collection.

No matter what the case, legal or illegal, it appear obvious that srsbutts has a strong unhealthy attraction to minors (as in around the age of 8), that would make her unfit to be around them, and is not being treated appropriately.[/quote]

Federal law is fairly clear, to the extent that clarity can be achieved, in that the child does not have be undressed and there does not have to explicit sexual conduct. It does have to be sexually suggestive. And that's where Butts is likely to get into trouble because when the jury sees those pictures and the chat logs, Butts will have made the case that the pictures were sexually suggestive.

Take this picture:

http://artofseductionchicago.com/wp-con ... 016web.jpg

If the woman in that picture was a minor, that could be considered child pornography by a zealous prosecutor and confirmed as such by a jury. Especially in the context (which matters) that it's being viewed (and possibly distributed) by a self-admitted pedophile who admits those pictures are erotic/sexually suggestive in nature.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2015 ... ycGbn.dpuf

Great. JT went all Dick Carrier-esque TMI about his polyamory. What the fuck is the matter with these people, that they must use a megaphone to announce their alternate lifestyles to the world? No, JT -- it does not impress me that you get to be a car in Heina Dhadabyoy's train if you ask your wife nicely first.

I sure want folks forming their opinion of A/S morals from Atheist Stars

[Brive1987]

I thought 175k followers was a bit keen for PZ.

According to twitteraudit 99k are fake.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

They've excused Ogvorbis' crimes because of his previous abuse and because he was a minor when he abused his victims, but I don't think that the same excuse is going to work with Butts. What Milo alleges, if true, is way too much for them to rationalize it as "she's the real victim", since she committed her crimes when she was 20 or even 22 and hasn't given any history of sexual abuse as an excuse.

The Gender Binary is a form of sexual abuse in itself.

The worst part is Butts seems to get a pass because they're trans*. Even if that's not the case, that's at least how it looks, reminding everyone that pedophilia is less of an issue than trans* acceptance.

[Lsuoma]

Skepticon is very close, phonetically, to the French "ces p'tits con", which translates to "those little cunts".

Just sayin'.

ces p'tits culs?

You just made the zebra cry...

[Brive1987]

- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2015 ... ycGbn.dpuf

Great. JT went all Dick Carrier-esque TMI about his polyamory. What the fuck is the matter with these people, that they must use a megaphone to announce their alternate lifestyles to the world? No, JT -- it does not impress me that you get to be a car in Heina Dhadabyoy's train if you ask your wife nicely first.

I sure want folks forming their opinion of A/S morals from Atheist Stars

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Skepticon is very close, phonetically, to the French "ces p'tits con", which translates to "those little cunts".

Just sayin'.

ces p'tits culs?

You just made the zebra cry...

Nope. "Culs" has a silent "L". It sounds more like "cue".

[Tribble]

Also if you have an HDD barbecue and the police can't seize evidence does that not qualify as obstruction of justice?

Yes.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

The industrial slave trade is one of the most immoral things to have happened in our (relatively) recent history, and I would think the same regardless of the color of people exploited, murdered, raped and left to die by neglect. The Middle Passage alone, holy shit.

I can remember reading a history book a couple of decades back, that made the argument that slavery was partly the result of Christian moralizing over the fate of individuals who were on the losing side of internal African wars of the 16th to 19th centuries.

Nope. It had to do with the extinction of the Arawak and Caribbean indians under Columbus and the Spanish. In fact, at first the slave trade was West-to-East, but the Indians exported to Spain kept dying of Western diseases so the Spanish Court (who was profiting off of Columbus) nixed further West-East slavery.

Nope. Nope. Nope.

The slave trade was just a means to the end of culturally appropriating barbacoa.

[jimthepleb]

Skepticon is very close, phonetically, to the French "ces p'tits con", which translates to "those little cunts".

Just sayin'.

ces p'tits culs?

You just made the zebra cry...

Nope. "Culs" has a silent "L". It sounds more like "cue".

Oh. I've always pronounced it 'coo'.

[Tribble]

OK. I am playing loose with interpretation, as in I was reading between the lines. Butts stated that she had photos of her cousin in states of undress (which in other statements boiled down to being in a swimsuit). In other statements Butts made, she stated that she had an encrypted drive of minors in "states of undress" which I assume to be an overstatement for 'skantily clad minors', which is a fucking hard concept for me to process, but I am lead to believe they were all dress reasonably, it was only her personal attraction that deemed them sexual in any way. I am making the accusation the she was using it as a spank bank; that was not stated. I don't believe she posted that on pedo specific boards or chat forums, or the odds are we would never have seen it. I suspect she posted it on chat forums where she thought no one would care or take her seriously. I suspect she was showing of a shot or two. I inferred she was hoping other people of her persuasion would add it to their collection.

No matter what the case, legal or illegal, it appear obvious that srsbutts has a strong unhealthy attraction to minors (as in around the age of 8), that would make her unfit to be around them, and is not being treated appropriately.

Federal law is fairly clear, to the extent that clarity can be achieved, in that the child does not have be undressed and there does not have to explicit sexual conduct. It does have to be sexually suggestive. And that's where Butts is likely to get into trouble because when the jury sees those pictures and the chat logs, Butts will have made the case that the pictures were sexually suggestive.

Take this picture:

http://artofseductionchicago.com/wp-con ... 016web.jpg

If the woman in that picture was a minor, that could be considered child pornography by a zealous prosecutor and confirmed as such by a jury. Especially in the context (which matters) that it's being viewed (and possibly distributed) by a self-admitted pedophile who admits those pictures are erotic/sexually suggestive in nature.

Fixed it. Sorry about the bad edit.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Oh. I've always pronounced it 'coo'.

Click on the tiny speaker:

https://translate.google.com/#fr/en/cul

[deLurch]

Federal law is fairly clear, to the extent that clarity can be achieved, in that the child does not have be undressed and there does not have to explicit sexual conduct. It does have to be sexually suggestive. And that's where Butts is likely to get into trouble because when the jury sees those pictures and the chat logs, Butts will have made the case that the pictures were sexually suggestive.

I did not know that.

I honestly, would have a hard time viewing any pictures of little kids as sexually suggestive. Now I do buy that from SRSButts own words, it can be determined that SHE saw them as sexually suggestive to herself.

So what is the standard? Does the jury or judge have to view the pictures as sexually suggestive? Or does the perpetrator have to view the pictures that way?

Take this picture:

http://artofseductionchicago.com/wp-con ... 016web.jpg

If the woman in that picture was a minor, that could be considered child pornography by a zealous prosecutor and confirmed as such by a jury. Especially in the context (which matters) that it's being viewed (and possibly distributed) by a self-admitted pedophile who admits those pictures are erotic/sexually suggestive in nature.

Well a little kid should never be dressed in what adults would consider sexy lingerie.

[deLurch]

- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2015 ... ycGbn.dpuf

Great. JT went all Dick Carrier-esque TMI about his polyamory. What the fuck is the matter with these people, that they must use a megaphone to announce their alternate lifestyles to the world? No, JT -- it does not impress me that you get to be a car in Heina Dhadabyoy's train if you ask your wife nicely first.

I sure want folks forming their opinion of A/S morals from Atheist Stars

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Seriously, does Lebanus sound like a legitimate name for an online Lebanese food shop? Or do I risk getting products that will taste like ass?

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

I'm part of a monogamous, heterosexual relationship. That obviously makes me a bastard, because reasons.

[James Caruthers]

If Butts has taken some photos of a child in states of undress and has posted or traded them on the Internet, as Milo writes in the email, then she has committed a crime even if she hasn't sexually abused a child. Possession and creation of child pornography are crimes.

If it can be proved that Butts has committed a crime then she should be prosecuted according to the evidence that Milo (or others) have gathered.

From the chat logs I have read, I think that case is overstated. The reference to "states of undress" when brought to their specifics, boils down to a bathing suit.

I have no desire to defend Butts. I think she is a vile person on many many many levels. But it is better off to start with the facts. Now that you mention it Butts mentioning "states of undress" should be sufficient for the police to do a full investigation of computer equipment.

I personally wonder if some of the allegations of child porn against 8chan.net might not have been seeded by someone like srsbutts (assuming she had a collection of illegal shit).

I agree.

If she has committed a crime, the police should investigate and form a conclusion. If she has not committed a crime, then people can comment on whether or not what she has committed is morally reprehensible to them.

What I would prefer not to see is a lot of moral high horsing about her various thought crimes. Thinking dirty thoughts about children is not by itself sufficient in my view to castigate her. BUT I am not familiar with what it can be proven that she has done.

As far as 8chan goes, anyone can be anything there and it's really easy for someone who hates 8chan to shitpost something offensive, cap it and present it as "those evil channers!"

Not that they'd need to, what with all the white nationalist trolling and support of lolicon/appearances of pedo shitposters, but they certainly can.

I always assume most of what people shitpost on the chans is either an offhand, tongue-in-cheek comment or b8.

I can't recall ever seeing child PORN on 8chan, unless one counts drawings. In which case, cuteboys is in some shit. Most of the actual pedo shitposters on pol used images of fully clothed children. There probably are secret pedo boards, but I never did find them.

[Tigzy]

- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2015 ... ycGbn.dpuf

Great. JT went all Dick Carrier-esque TMI about his polyamory. What the fuck is the matter with these people, that they must use a megaphone to announce their alternate lifestyles to the world? No, JT -- it does not impress me that you get to be a car in Heina Dhadabyoy's train if you ask your wife nicely first.

I sure want folks forming their opinion of A/S morals from Atheist Stars

[James Caruthers]

I guess that it's not for us to judge whether Butts committed a crime, but in my humble opinion there is enough room to start an investigation. I think that at the very least there is enough evidence to justify a warrant to seize Butts' hard drives and computers.

This is a serious situation and he law system is surely better equipped at dealing with the case than a bunch of people on the Internet. However even if the pictures that Butts collected are within the limits of the law she remains someone I wouldn't let close to children, and her denunciation of child porn reeks of hypocrisy.

The fact that someone who clearly has some issues with her deviant sexual attractions and her behavior thinks it's within her rights to pontificate about other people's non-deviant sexual desires and perfectly legal behaviors (like playing video game with big-titted characters) is pretty hypocritical, too.

The main distinction between this situation and Oggie as I see it is Oggie confessed to a crime. As an older child, he had sex with a much younger child and (IIRC) a sibling or two? His age should be a mitigating factor and maybe he wouldn't even do time at this point, but he should come forward and try to contact the victim and law enforcement.

I wouldn't let Ms. Butts near any kids, but her desire to fiddle kids by itself probably isn't criminal. So I'll be interested in reading the article to see what Milo comes up with. I found it strange that "supports white nationalism" and "called a black person 'blackie'" made his list of serious allegations, considering that Brietbart caters to a certain audience who are much more likely to be racist white nationalists as a general trend. The "blackie" allegation looked particularly lame. Milo needs to meet Steersbot.

[Service Dog]

Take this picture:

http://artofseductionchicago.com/wp-con ... 016web.jpg

If the woman in that picture was a minor, that could be considered child pornography by a zealous prosecutor and confirmed as such by a jury. Especially in the context (which matters) that it's being viewed (and possibly distributed) by a self-admitted pedophile who admits those pictures are erotic/sexually suggestive in nature.

What about this picture?...

http://i.imgur.com/ApCgIXz.jpg?1

If the Honda Dealership in that picture was a child, that could be considered child pornography by a zealous...

But I'd be especially-concerned about any a self-admitted pedophile who found the picture erotic/sexually suggestive in nature, When It's Still Just A Honda Dealership.

That's way worse.

[James Caruthers]

http://theralphretort.com/wp-content/up ... AAuFEA.png

Xe should be legally prevented from adopting kids.