Pretty sure it's a nerd/geek thing, but nerdy/geeky has recently become trendy and hip, and so has their language.Jan Steen wrote:Is it a false impression of mine, or is the verb "to grok" really only used by Social Justice Warriors? Is it one of their shibboleths?
I've never seen a size above 4 or 5X and I live in America and shop at big box stores for clothes sometimes.Tony Parsehole wrote:No. I want more.JacquesCuze wrote:make him stop.
More narcissistic fatty selfies! More mockery! Never let a day go by without a chortle at tumblr!
BTW. I didn't know size 10XL shirts were even available. That's really....um... big.
I have such sights to show you.dog puke wrote:
You've definitely stepped over the line this time James.
Cut it out.
Alert sent.
I didn't really have a problem with his quotes - they are only problematic to racist SJWs who equate Islam with 'the stuff that all people with brown skin believe' and see any outspoken criticism of that religion as some kind of white supremacist cultural attack.Kirbmarc wrote:All of them after 2009: the ones I posted a couple of posts above are from 2010 and there were a couple from 2011 and even 2012.Just for the record, were the Islamophobic quotes from before or after 2009 - because if they were after 2009 and he now insists he's a changed person that Humanist Award of the Year belongs to Evil Peezus, not the one who has now seen the light.
So yes, the Humanist of the Year 2009 was kolnnauzer.
I doubt whether any of PZ's horde have the concentration to read right through Stranger in a Strange Land (never mind the full length version published after RAH's death that reveals his true intentions for the novel). Such folk have no right to the verb 'grok'.Sunder wrote:I highly doubt SJWs and Heinlein fans overlap significantly so I can only assume they just heard the term somewhere and have no idea where it comes from.
Child. Read the book.Oglebart wrote:I seem to remember it being used in 2000AD quite a bit when I was a kid, although maybe it was 'grokk'?
It was Drokk - one of the made up swear words in 2000AD, along with Stomm and Grud. images/smilies/icon/ugeek.gifOglebart wrote:I seem to remember it being used in 2000AD quite a bit when I was a kid, although maybe it was 'grokk'?
I have no problem with his old quotes, either. I simply find it insane that now that he has "converted" to SJW-ism he's repudiating his old quotes as if they were heresy that he has abandoned.I didn't really have a problem with his quotes - they are only problematic to racist SJWs who equate Islam with 'the stuff that all people with brown skin believe' and see any outspoken criticism of that religion as some kind of white supremacist cultural attack.
I think you need to be familiar with the source of the satire. I mean, look at us here: there are jokes referencing jokes that reference jokes. If you don't know the background you aren't going to understand, say, the joke a while back about women as toilets. If you are new here and you see the words 'fuck you into the ground with a rusty porcupine' that's going to look like a threat if you don't know what it's sending up.screwtape wrote:Just brought my intelligent and highly-qualified spouse up to date on the Charlie Hebdo issue (she has been absorbed by a motor vehicle accident causing a head injury to one of her kids in her orphanage in Kenya). Her estimate as a psychiatrist is that only 20% of a population will get the 'meta' meaning of satire, and she evinces no surprise that most people, when confronted with a Charlie Hebdo cover, will take away only the superficial inference that they are racist, sexist, classist, elitist etc. If so, shall we be kind to the idiots who see the magazine as having those qualities and try to educate them, or shall we rub their miserable misshapen noses in the stuff they do not begin to understand?
I never thought of satire as an intelligence test, but perhaps I'm simply displaying my brain privilege.
Grok is from Stranger in a Strange Land.Oglebart wrote:I seem to remember it being used in 2000AD quite a bit when I was a kid, although maybe it was 'grokk'?
I don't think Myers understands the book any more than Charles Manson did.Grok means to understand so thoroughly that the observer becomes a part of the observed—to merge, blend, intermarry, lose identity in group experience. It means almost everything that we mean by religion, philosophy, and science—and it means as little to us (because of our Earthling assumptions) as color means to a blind man.
Drokk!!, yeah that was what I was thinking of!Suet Cardigan wrote:It was Drokk - one of the made up swear words in 2000AD, along with Stomm and Grud. images/smilies/icon/ugeek.gifOglebart wrote:I seem to remember it being used in 2000AD quite a bit when I was a kid, although maybe it was 'grokk'?
Je Suis kolnnauzerKirbmarc wrote:I have no problem with his old quotes, either. I simply find it insane that now that he has "converted" to SJW-ism he's repudiating his old quotes as if they were heresy that he has abandoned.I didn't really have a problem with his quotes - they are only problematic to racist SJWs who equate Islam with 'the stuff that all people with brown skin believe' and see any outspoken criticism of that religion as some kind of white supremacist cultural attack.
kolnnauzer is simply Old PZ. I don't think that the New SJW PZ still deserves the award that he received when he was a real humanist.
This flow chart is giving me some flashbacks (PTSD?!?) to my interactions with individuals I strongly suspect have Narcissistic Personality Disorder.Biohazard wrote:Don't know if this has been posted before but I found it to be amusing:
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/ori ... 23/e90.jpg
Judge Dredd also has 'Grud!' which is an expletive meaning 'God!' or the slightly stronger 'Christ!'Oglebart wrote:Drokk!!, yeah that was what I was thinking of!Suet Cardigan wrote:It was Drokk - one of the made up swear words in 2000AD, along with Stomm and Grud. images/smilies/icon/ugeek.gifOglebart wrote:I seem to remember it being used in 2000AD quite a bit when I was a kid, although maybe it was 'grokk'?
And it's the name of an album by Geoff Barrow from Portishead and Ben Salisbury
http://drokk.bandcamp.com/
Given that my father and grandfather were engineers and that my son is officially (and quite definitely) autistic for which I am no doubt responsible, as well as the fact I'm deaf (left ear dead, right so-so thanks to childhood streptomycin), I'm not sure how we will communicate. Shall we try? We don't have all those pesky non-verbal cues in the way so we should manage.Shatterface as Guest wrote:I have Aspergers so I have to work at interpretation of intent, especially in spoken conversation where I'm largely oblivious to non-verbal cues; not so much a problem in print where I'm on more of a level playing field.
I despair when people who ostensibly dont have autism treat intent as irrelevant; it's acting autistic. It's as offensive as pretending to be deaf.
Shatterface
Whatever is me, and yes, they certainly deleted some of my comments.Really? wrote:Looks like JT Eberhard may be deleting comments. (Commenter "whatever" seems to think hyr comments have been deleted.) Here's a capture of the page just for the record.
https://archive.today/xgVUw
You're autistic—simply high functioning! Congrats.Brive1987 wrote:I actually think I have inverse autism. I find surface chatting boring so I tend to layer conversation with meta and irony that usually only I get.
Makes me come across sometimes (quite rightly) as a bit odd.
By non-verbal cues I mean subtle or micro-expressions (rather than, say, grinning), body language and (though I guess you could call it 'verbal') voice pitch or tone.screwtape wrote:Given that my father and grandfather were engineers and that my son is officially (and quite definitely) autistic for which I am no doubt responsible, as well as the fact I'm deaf (left ear dead, right so-so thanks to childhood streptomycin), I'm not sure how we will communicate. Shall we try? We don't have all those pesky non-verbal cues in the way so we should manage.Shatterface as Guest wrote:I have Aspergers so I have to work at interpretation of intent, especially in spoken conversation where I'm largely oblivious to non-verbal cues; not so much a problem in print where I'm on more of a level playing field.
I despair when people who ostensibly dont have autism treat intent as irrelevant; it's acting autistic. It's as offensive as pretending to be deaf.
Shatterface
As far as I can tell a change happened when he went full SJW. Something like this:Kirbmarc wrote:I have no problem with his old quotes, either. I simply find it insane that now that he has "converted" to SJW-ism he's repudiating his old quotes as if they were heresy that he has abandoned.I didn't really have a problem with his quotes - they are only problematic to racist SJWs who equate Islam with 'the stuff that all people with brown skin believe' and see any outspoken criticism of that religion as some kind of white supremacist cultural attack.
kolnnauzer is simply Old PZ. I don't think that the New SJW PZ still deserves the award that he received when he was a real humanist.
It's safer to assume everything on this forum is ironic. The alternative would be terrifying.screwtape wrote:You're autistic—simply high functioning! Congrats.Brive1987 wrote:I actually think I have inverse autism. I find surface chatting boring so I tend to layer conversation with meta and irony that usually only I get.
Makes me come across sometimes (quite rightly) as a bit odd.
Brive1987 wrote:I actually think I have inverse autism. I find surface chatting boring so I tend to layer conversation with meta and irony that usually only I get.
Makes me come across sometimes (quite rightly) as a bit odd.
The good thing about them was they were tough and cheap. Mine took a hell of a beating and kept going, but it was never a great camera. I used to take it as a decoy camera to demonstrations, back in the day. Photograph the carnage with one camera (including cops who'd removed their numbers so they could do a bit ultraviolence without begin' bovvered) then, when the cops demanded the camera, ripped out the film and threw the camera to the ground, it was the old Praktica that was handed over and copped it. The other camera was a bit more compact, so it stayed in the jacket.Jan Steen wrote:I think Prakticas aren't worth their weight in scrap metal nowadays. Good, hand-made cameras or rare models are still collectible, but a Praktica is neither.On a complete unrelated note, I've been sorting through some boxes of stuff, and I found an old Pentacon Praktica Super TL 35mm SLR camera. Early 1970s vintage, made in Dresden in the former GDR, belonged to my ex-boyfriend's stepfather, who gave it to me when he upgraded to a newer camera. There's a Vivitar telephoto lens that goes with it. I used it a couple of times years ago, but I've forgotten how to use it now (there is an instruction manual auf Deutsch, which I can probably figure out).
Should I keep it and try playing with it (assuming I can find some film)? Does anyone even buy these things any more? One of my uncles, now deceased, collected old cameras, but he was just a hoarder, not a photographer.
I use "grok" (as a verb) quite often. However, I've been finding that fewer and fewer young people have any idea what it means.Jan Steen wrote:Is it a false impression of mine, or is the verb "to grok" really only used by Social Justice Warriors? Is it one of their shibboleths?
Back to Heinlein!Shatterface as Guest wrote:The Man Who Fell to Earth
Shatterface
I've got both, and they are pretty much the same. Sony has a better store, and the PS4 is only backwards compatible if you buy their Playstation Now service. The touchpad is a gimmick now, but may work more later. Games are good, but you get a lot of indie titles, only some of which are worth playing (imo). The controller is really, really cheaply made. Still can't get party chat to work. Xbox One has (to me) a more solid controller (you need to buy the rechargeable batteries). Store is confusing. Kinect works, somewhat - works well for Fantasia (a rock band style game where you move your arms to the music, like Mickey in Fantasia). The PS4 has the copy protection turned on, and if you are recording you can turn it off for some, but have to turn it on to watch youtube or netflix. X1 doesn't have protection, which is great if you are recording, but there is apparently some issue with DRM still (something is going on with Far Cry 4 at the moment, not sure what). Both allow a lot of friends (1000 or so, IIRC), but xbox lets you follow people (so you can have more friends than you probably need) without having the person have to approve you (which can be good or bad). The X1 can connect to your tv and you can watch tv through the console. Neither one can run 3d blu-ray, last I heard. My PS4 is good about automatically updating games, while the XB1 has issues. With the PS4 you can change the internal drive, but can't store games on an external drive. The X1 can store games on an external drive but you can't change the internal drive.Oglebart wrote:I enjoyed watching the Parklife video this morning, I'd not seen that for a few years. Did you know Alex James is an award-winning cheesemaker these days?
http://www.alexjamespresents.co.uk/
On a different tangent, I finished Max Payne 3 today, and I have to say I really enjoyed it. I'm not a cutting edge gamer by any means, I play consoles these days, not on a PC. The convenience just suits me. Being a bit behind the times is a good position to be in now for value for money. The amount of great games available on Xbox 360 for very little money is huge now, and I've got a long list that I'll doubt I'll get through. Next one for me know is L.A. Noire that cost me £5!!
I haven't seen anything from the Xbox One or PS4 yet that has convinced me that they are worth buying for me, is anyone here playing one? If so what do you think? I would probably be leaning towards the PS4 now, especially as Xbox doesn't have backward compatibility, which I think is a shitty move. I've also been playing Dishonored, but I've abandoned it for the moment, I know everyone raves about it but I don't know, just not feeling it really.
OK, people, I suspect that one of the spam RBLs is misbehaving, but I can't tell which one unless you post the who of the error message you get when it bites you. Please copy and post the whole of the error message, which appears above the edit box when you get blocked.screwtape wrote:Back to Heinlein!Shatterface as Guest wrote:The Man Who Fell to Earth
Shatterface
Autism has been a rag-bag diagnosis involving epilepsy and brain damage as well as an underlying, but clinically similar set of individuals. When you sift out the birth anoxias, the uncontrolled seizure disorders and so on, what is left is the folks we generally think of as autistic. Probably not the place to get into whether Asperger's and autism are the same (DSM V has finally concluded they are, just a matter of degree. I have a quick and dirty test for differentiating the two that I will explain to anyone interested.) What remains, after removing the poor kids who were brain damaged at birth, are pretty much always explicable by genetics. I used the word 'responsible' deliberately. I wouldn't inflict my genes on someone if I knew it would hurt them, but there is no doubt that my genes have resulted in his diagnosis. He is entirely OK with that, and wouldn't become a 'typpie' if he could. He likes being focussed and not distracted by sex, social media etc. I don't think of it as a matter of blame as there was no intent, no mens rea as M'sieu Steersman might say if that language has penetrated that far west. Merely a matter for remark, cogitation and remembrance.
BTW, thanks to whoever it was that posted the Hitchens/Rushdie/PEN youtube link. Sad that Hitch didn't think to mention Disraeli when asked about authors who became statesmen. All the same, I hadn't seen it, so thanks again. FT note: I tried to link to that fine video but this forum's software said it was from a domain belonging to a known spammer. No doubt you are right in some respects, but all the same—it won't do. I can't even post the link with an underscore (à la Steers) in front of it. You must be a fascist or summat.
The one that I dug up about Islam being worse than Anglican Christianity was from April 2013. Not even two full years ago. And the horde definitely tore that one to pieces.Shatterface as Guest wrote:
Just for the record, were the Islamophobic quotes from before or after 2009 - because if they were after 2009 and he now insists he's a changed person that Humanist Award of the Year belongs to Evil Peezus, not the one who has now seen the light.
Shatterface
:shock:John Greg wrote:Fuck me, but the lack of self awareness of these morons is priceless.
Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk- says:
Giliell is also spreading the hilarious disinformation that we are now making Ophie our new hero, which, of course, the Horde accept without question or doubt.Ah, grewgills ... Giliell’s law: the more ridiculous the spelling of my Nym gets, the more ridiculous the argument gets.
Right-o! Here we go:Lsuoma wrote: OK, people, I suspect that one of the spam RBLs is misbehaving, but I can't tell which one unless you post the who of the error message you get when it bites you. Please copy and post the whole of the error message, which appears above the edit box when you get blocked.
Very common in UNIX/Linux circles.Billie from Ockham wrote:I use "grok" (as a verb) quite often. However, I've been finding that fewer and fewer young people have any idea what it means.Jan Steen wrote:Is it a false impression of mine, or is the verb "to grok" really only used by Social Justice Warriors? Is it one of their shibboleths?
Ho, ho, ho!screwtape wrote:The message I got was the one full of red ink that says the domain is a spammer, your ISP doesn't try hard enough etc. Does that help?
Yeah, I've had the same experience. Also, they won't get off my lawn.Billie from Ockham wrote:I use "grok" (as a verb) quite often. However, I've been finding that fewer and fewer young people have any idea what it means.Jan Steen wrote:Is it a false impression of mine, or is the verb "to grok" really only used by Social Justice Warriors? Is it one of their shibboleths?
I thought it was Fuckke? As in Fuckkere, or Fuckkenne, or having been Fuckkedde? :think:piero wrote:I disagree. True, the ending consonant is usually duplicated (stop, stopper, etc.) in order to preserve the pronunciation of the preceding vowel. But "x" is already a double consonant: k + s. So, duplicating it serves no purpose; it's like duplicating the "ck" in "fuck": fuck, fuckcker? Don't be ridiculous. Unless it happened to be an extraordinary fuckck.screwtape wrote:Basic rule of English, ennit?
I want to report The Lousy Canuck as having an undercover Pit account, please.Badger3k wrote:I thought it was Fuckke? As in Fuckkere, or Fuckkenne, or having been Fuckkedde? :think:piero wrote:I disagree. True, the ending consonant is usually duplicated (stop, stopper, etc.) in order to preserve the pronunciation of the preceding vowel. But "x" is already a double consonant: k + s. So, duplicating it serves no purpose; it's like duplicating the "ck" in "fuck": fuck, fuckcker? Don't be ridiculous. Unless it happened to be an extraordinary fuckck.screwtape wrote:Basic rule of English, ennit?
Wasn't Heinlein on the list of Verbotten Authors? Didn't PZ say he was sexist or something and therefore writer-non-grata?Really? wrote:This is a point of annoyance for me because "grok" was a shared part of culture for an oppressed minority: virgin science fiction nerds. The term originated in a Heinlein book and was famously used during the attempts to get NBC to renew Star Trek, the ultimate watch-because-you-don't-have-a-date-on-Friday-night show.Jan Steen wrote:Is it a false impression of mine, or is the verb "to grok" really only used by Social Justice Warriors? Is it one of their shibboleths?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok
http://s.ecrater.com/stores/138203/4e10 ... 38203b.jpg
I want to report The Lousy Canuck as having an undercover Pit account, please.screwtape wrote:I thought it was Fuckke? As in Fuckkere, or Fuckkenne, or having been Fuckkedde? :think:Badger3k wrote:I disagree. True, the ending consonant is usually duplicated (stop, stopper, etc.) in order to preserve the pronunciation of the preceding vowel. But "x" is already a double consonant: k + s. So, duplicating it serves no purpose; it's like duplicating the "ck" in "fuck": fuck, fuckcker? Don't be ridiculous. Unless it happened to be an extraordinary fuckck.piero wrote:
It would be so helpful to have a guide to acceptable targets of satire. Oh, look:
Thank you. But was the last word a joke? ;)screwtape wrote:You're autistic—simply high functioning! Congrats.Brive1987 wrote:I actually think I have inverse autism. I find surface chatting boring so I tend to layer conversation with meta and irony that usually only I get.
Makes me come across sometimes (quite rightly) as a bit odd.
He was an obsessive sign-poster.Oglebart wrote:Brive1987 wrote:
Are you John [meta} Morales?? :confusion-confused: [meta]
I don't really have an NFL team, but I love to watch football. I really dislike Scam Newton, so I'm happy to root for your Seahawks.Lsuoma wrote:Settling down with chips and beer.
http://www.raceforasoldier.org/sites/de ... 0exp_0.png
I stand corrected, more or less; mea culpa. But you had said the following, which is probably what I was thinking of, in response to a previous comment of mine suggesting that "nager" was a corruption or colloquial modification of "nigger" (which Urban Dictionary supports but that is probably not saying much), to wit:ROBOKiTTY wrote:I recall doing no such thing. You might be thinking of someone or something else.Steersman wrote: ... Although I seem to recollect that ROBOKiTTY wasn’t much impressed with the logic there, with that particular analogy – despite not offering much in the way of a credible rebuttal ….
However, somewhat en passant, I am curious as to what you think of my conjecture, my hypothesis, my analogy that "cunt is to sexism as nigger is to racism" - i.e., that the validity to the charge of sexism or racism depends, in each case, on the context: the epithets applied to the whole class then of course, but applied to individuals - probably not.Steers, I'm afraid this is unsupported by any linguistic research and reflects a problem endemic to African studies, in that many try to spin just about everything to attribute as much as possible to ancient African civilizations. In this case, the evidence is scant, though I would like to see their sources.
I'm assuming this is an awful case of cultural appropriation and that you really mean crisps.Lsuoma wrote:Settling down with chips and beer.
I'm concerned that he's engaging in what criminal psychologists call "grooming." He gets himself some chips, turns on the game to establish rapport with himself, makes himself lose his inhibitions with some beer...bhoytony wrote:I'm assuming this is an awful case of cultural appropriation and that you really mean crisps.Lsuoma wrote:Settling down with chips and beer.
It's worse than rape!
