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d4m10n wrote: My apologies to everyone for the interruption, this is the only way I know to reliably get a message through to The Other Side, what with being blocked on Twitter and endungeonated and all that. Please carry on.
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Re: STFU about Zimmerman. Nobody else gives a crap.

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Ape+lust wrote:
comhcinc wrote:Since we are talking about movies.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-v ... ill-753470
Will Smith, Tom Hardy, Margot Robbie and Jared Leto are officially set to star in Suicide Squad, Warner Bros. announced Tuesday.


David Ayer's 'Suicide Squad' to Shoot in Toronto For Warner Bros.

Also cast in the movie based on the DC Entertainment villains-forced-to-be-heroes are Jai Courtney and Cara Delevingne. Much of the castings have been previously reported, but the studio also confirmed which characters the actors will play.
Smith will play Deadshot, best known as a Batman villain, while Hardy plays the group's leader, Rick Flagg.
Leto will take on the Joker, while Robbie will play Harley Quinn, his on-and-off girlfriend. Courtney will be Boomerang, while Delevingne, the model-turned-actress who is also in Warners' Pan tentpole, will play Enchantress, a sorceress.
David Ayer is writing the script as well as directing.
I think the mistake that DC/Warner Bros. is making that Marvel(now Disney) figured out is it's better to an actor who doesn't have so much "Star Power" so the character they are playing shines through better.
Harley Quinn is going to be in the movie? Maybe Zvan can get a consulting gig. She thinks she is Harley Quinn, since they're both dangerously devious.

/laughably_deluded

http://imgur.com/fpQyfco.png

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That is weird. I am not going to pretend to know Harley Quinn's full history but I think if you were to ask most people what her origin is they would tell you that she was a psychiatrist that fell in love with the Joker and followed him into an insane life of crime. She is literally the pawn of an abusive insane man.

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Re: STFU about Zimmerman. Nobody else gives a crap.

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Here is a Christmas gift for Southern. Piss off the rest of you Grinches.

http://gianthamster.com/wp-content/uplo ... istmas.jpg

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Re: STFU about Zimmerman. Nobody else gives a crap.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Eric Idle would make a great Bond.

(I really like Craig in Casino Royale. Not so much in Quantum of Solace. The movie was lacking).
I loved Casino Royale. It was a Bourne film in the era of Bourne films.

The Bonds all follow the same trajectory. Strong start, then slide into cheese.

Mike Myers didn't fuck the franchise, as Craig suggests. The franchise fucked the franchise.

Quantum was boring; Skyfall was boring and tacky.

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Have to admit, I really kind of resent this. She doesn't contribute to society in any measurable way, from my perspective, yet people pay to fly her around the globe and wine and dine her.

Humans are dumb.

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Re: STFU about Zimmerman. Nobody else gives a crap.

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Shatterface as Guest wrote:
dogen wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote: Purple Noon
Breathless
The Rules of the Game
The Wages of Fear
Au Revoir Les Enfants
Man on of the Spring
Amelie
With a Friend Like Harry(love this movie)
Le Pacte Des Loups
The Wild Reeds(my favorite gay movie)
Leon
Le Femme Nikita
Tell No One
Happenstance
He Loves Me Not(big Audrey Tatou fan)

That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure I'm leaving out a few thousand.
City of Lost Children FTW.
Cœur fidèle, Rififi, Les Diaboliques, Le Silence de la Mer, Le Beu Serge, Les Cousins, Le Pont du Nord, Quatre Cents Coups, Tirez sur le pianiste, Jules et Jim, Antoine et Colette, The Soft Skin, Baisers volés, Domicile conjugal, Anne & Muriel, A Gorgeous Bird Like Me, The Last Metro, L'Homme qui aimait les femmes, Army of Shadows, Le Cercle Rouge, Le Quai des Brumes, Breathless, Pierrot le Fu, Le Mepris, Last Year in Marienbad, The Last Battle, Subway, Nikita, The Big Blue, Betty Blue, etc.

They're just some of those I have on Blu-Ray (I keep lists on my phone so I can show people what not to get me for Christmas: I'm a cinema buff)

Shatterface.
Jules et Jim and The Last Metro are excellent; also try The Bride Wore Black, if you like Truffaut. Alphaville and the 1960 Breathless are two of my favorite films.

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Post by Nicest of The Damned »

comhcinc wrote:
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That is weird. I am not going to pretend to know Harley Quinn's full history but I think if you were to ask most people what her origin is they would tell you that she was a psychiatrist that fell in love with the Joker and followed him into an insane life of crime. She is literally the pawn of an abusive insane man.
Pretty much. She was an independent career woman who gave it all up to put on too much make up, follow a man around and do whatever he says. Very feminist. She's also depicted in various incarnations of being terrified of him at times. Of course, he's the Joker, so that's perfectly reasonable, and villains are generally not kind to sidekicks and henchwomen, but it does give off a DV kind of vibe with those two.

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BarnOwl wrote: Have to admit, I really kind of resent this. She doesn't contribute to society in any measurable way, from my perspective, yet people pay to fly her around the globe and wine and dine her.

Humans are dumb.

This kind of bullshit peeved me ever since I was a little kid when I realized that actual skill counts for nothing when people are impressed with the abilities of sociopaths to bullshit their way through life. Social skills uber alles.

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another lurker wrote:
This kind of bullshit peeved me ever since I was a little kid when I realized that actual skill counts for nothing when people are impressed with the abilities of sociopaths to bullshit their way through life. Social skills uber alles.
She doesn't come across as personable or engaging in her videos, but she must have something, because people keep inviting her for these international gigs. PeeZus also must have some charms that utterly escape me. I'm often mystified by how certain people can be attractive or interesting to many others, so maybe there's something wrong with me. :?

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Re: STFU about Zimmerman. Nobody else gives a crap.

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BarnOwl wrote:
another lurker wrote:
This kind of bullshit peeved me ever since I was a little kid when I realized that actual skill counts for nothing when people are impressed with the abilities of sociopaths to bullshit their way through life. Social skills uber alles.
She doesn't come across as personable or engaging in her videos, but she must have something, because people keep inviting her for these international gigs. PeeZus also must have some charms that utterly escape me. I'm often mystified by how certain people can be attractive or interesting to many others, so maybe there's something wrong with me. :?
L. Ron Hubbard was called charming, mesmerizing and charismatic by his fans, and managed to steal Jack Parson's girlfriend away from him.
Looking at him and hearing recordings of him...I do not get that at all.

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Re: STFU about Zimmerman. Nobody else gives a crap.

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Wait, Harley Quinn? Gymnast? Anti-feminist's nightmare? What the hell is she on about?

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Post by katamari Damassi »

BlueShiftRhino wrote:Here:
[youtube]QdM3qsCNQYY[/youtube]
I'll give them one thing; they've learned to keep the camera tight on the speaker so as not to reveal that there's only 6 people in the audience.

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Re: STFU about Zimmerman. Nobody else gives a crap.

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BarnOwl needs to reinvent xirself as a mystical guru:


[youtube]WoWmNAS16fY[/youtube]

Start working on that body hair and that tan.

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Truffault sucks ass.

Perfume was a good film and a good book.

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comhcinc wrote:
Ape+lust wrote: Harley Quinn is going to be in the movie? Maybe Zvan can get a consulting gig. She thinks she is Harley Quinn, since they're both dangerously devious.
That is weird. I am not going to pretend to know Harley Quinn's full history but I think if you were to ask most people what her origin is they would tell you that she was a psychiatrist that fell in love with the Joker and followed him into an insane life of crime. She is literally the pawn of an abusive insane man.
Now that you mention it...

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Quick question: what's the UN good for?
The ICAO, IMO, WHO and WMO standards?
Gridlock in Manhattan.

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another lurker wrote:BarnOwl needs to reinvent xirself as a mystical guru:


[youtube]WoWmNAS16fY[/youtube]

Start working on that body hair and that tan.
That movie looks totes excellent!

Kinda sad though that so many people just desperately want someone to listen to them or to pay attention to their mundane details.

Bah, humbug ... Xmas season brings out the most misanthropic tendencies in me. Hate the whole freakin' month.

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Brain representations of social thoughts predict autism diagnoses:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 144827.htm
For the study, Just and his colleagues scanned the brains of 17 adults with high-functioning autism and 17 neurotypical control participants. The participants were asked to think about 16 different social interactions, such as "persuade," "adore" and "hug."

The resulting brain images showed that the control participants' thoughts of social interaction clearly included activation indicating a representation of the "self," manifested in the brain's posterior midline regions. However, the self-related activation was near absent in the autism group. Machine-learning algorithms classified individuals as autistic or non-autistic with 97 percent accuracy based on the fMRI thought-markers.

"When asked to think about persuading, hugging or adoring, the neurotypical participants put themselves into the thoughts; they were part of the interaction. For those with autism, the thought was more like considering a dictionary definition or watching a play -- without self-involvement," Just said.
http://images.sciencedaily.com/2014/12/ ... -large.jpg

What about pouncehugs? Or -tugs?

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Jesus fuck :drool: ing Christ! I had a metaphorical nap and dream that said Steersman is Andy! :o
I would never wish a horrific thought on anybody.

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another lurker wrote:
BarnOwl wrote: Have to admit, I really kind of resent this. She doesn't contribute to society in any measurable way, from my perspective, yet people pay to fly her around the globe and wine and dine her.

Humans are dumb.

This kind of bullshit peeved me ever since I was a little kid when I realized that actual skill counts for nothing when people are impressed with the abilities of sociopaths to bullshit their way through life. Social skills uber alles.
Is it even fair to say that RW has good social skills? Every time someone links to one of her youtube videos, I see someone with a dull personality. She is never excited about anything. She is never animated. Her "humor" is always sarcastic and never funny, and when she is talking she is usually complaining about something. I get the feeling she could suck the life out of a tombstone by osmosis.

I often wonder why she is still getting speaking/conference gigs, because she also has a thin resume and never seems to be insightful or informative. I used to think she was going to vanish off the face of the earth as soon as people forgot about elevatorgate, but strangely that hasn't happened. Could it be that the organizers of these things are afraid of being witch of the week if they decide to stop inviting Watson? It seems far fetched, but I'm at a loss for what else it could be. Maybe some of it is just name recognition from people who don't really know what they are inviting, or a lack of better women sketptics who are well established in the community, but it seems like there is another ingredient as well, and I can't imagine it being her magnetic personality.

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The BEST Bond...

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Ophelia Benson says

December 3, 2014 at 3:37 PM

I’ve always thought it was an asshole custom. I remember a specific moment of fuming about exactly what you say – the deliberate lying. I thought it was a very shitty trick to play on children, and me in particular. This is because I had said…”but it’s just a story, right? Isn’t it?” And the adults had gone on swearing up and down, “oh no, it’s true.”

Yeah. Not cute at all.
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abear says

December 3, 2014 at 6:47 PM

Was it Santa that motivated you to mistrust men? Yeah, I felt hurt, lost, and betrayed when I remembered how I was lied to. It took me years to trust men with long white beards, and now that I am an old man with a long white beard it triggers me when I look in the mirror. So I don’t.
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Re: STFU about Zimmerman. Nobody else gives a crap.

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Post by ConcentratedH2O, OM »

Meyers incites The Herd to laugh at a man nearly dying.

http://i.imgur.com/Jp5t7J7.png

The article he links to:

http://i.imgur.com/8L1DDT7.png

Meyers's post archived (200+ comments, including a hilarious series where a user called Azkyroth gets called Askyroth and loses it, including some vague racism overtones if I the whole follow up correctly):

https://archive.today/thVPn

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^^

"Accusations", not "overtones", really.

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Post by katamari Damassi »

DJ Earworm's annual pop music mash-up:

[youtube]BjYWwZYLYEs[/youtube]


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Post by katamari Damassi »

Okay Brits, what the fuck is going on in your country? Why can't porn depict a man pissing on another man? Does this have something to do with Prince Harry?

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/12/02/in ... making-it/

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I blame the kyriarchy for Hollywood always casting an able bodied, cis het white male in the role of James Bond.

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Old_ones wrote:
another lurker wrote:
BarnOwl wrote: Have to admit, I really kind of resent this. She doesn't contribute to society in any measurable way, from my perspective, yet people pay to fly her around the globe and wine and dine her.

Humans are dumb.

This kind of bullshit peeved me ever since I was a little kid when I realized that actual skill counts for nothing when people are impressed with the abilities of sociopaths to bullshit their way through life. Social skills uber alles.
Is it even fair to say that RW has good social skills? Every time someone links to one of her youtube videos, I see someone with a dull personality. She is never excited about anything. She is never animated. Her "humor" is always sarcastic and never funny, and when she is talking she is usually complaining about something. I get the feeling she could suck the life out of a tombstone by osmosis.

I often woender why she is still getting speaking/conference gigs, because she also has a thin resume and never seems to be insightful or informative. I used to think she was going to vanish off the face of the earth as soon as people forgot about elevatorgate, but strangely that hasn't happened. Could it be that the organizers of these things are afraid of being witch of the week if they decide to stop inviting Watson? It seems far fetched, but I'm at a loss for what else it could be. Maybe some of it is just name recognition from people who don't really know what they are inviting, or a lack of better women sketptics who are well established in the community, but it seems like there is another ingredient as well, and I can't imagine it being her magnetic personality.
Maybe it's cuz she pulls trains.

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katamari Damassi wrote:Okay Brits, what the fuck is going on in your country? Why can't porn depict a man pissing on another man? Does this have something to do with Prince Harry?

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/12/02/in ... making-it/
This country has always been extremely prudish. If it were not for the internet only soft core porn would be allowed as was the case only a few years back. I think this was the law that was proposed supposedly to protect women by banning depictions of rape. Like all laws here it ended up being much more than that. The same happened with the hate speech laws. We often get lied to by politicians here which is why we have one of the lowest voting turnouts in the world.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:I blame the kyriarchy for Hollywood always casting an able bodied, cis het white male in the role of James Bond.
We need Ironside.

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Meyers incites The Herd to laugh at a man nearly dying.

http://i.imgur.com/Jp5t7J7.png

The article he links to:

http://i.imgur.com/8L1DDT7.png

Meyers's post archived (200+ comments, including a hilarious series where a user called Azkyroth gets called Askyroth and loses it, including some vague racism overtones if I the whole follow up correctly):

https://archive.today/thVPn
This is the same post as the one I quoted above where Myers says its totes alright to laugh and mock idiots.

Without a blush of self awareness.

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Post by Suet Cardigan »

katamari Damassi wrote:Okay Brits, what the fuck is going on in your country? Why can't porn depict a man pissing on another man? Does this have something to do with Prince Harry?

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/12/02/in ... making-it/
The new law only applies to porn produced in the UK, so you can legally watch videos featuring all the banned acts on the internet if the videos were produced abroad. Which makes a lot of fucking sense, doesn't it? images/smilies/icon/rolleyes.gif

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Meyers incites The Herd to laugh at a man nearly dying.

http://i.imgur.com/Jp5t7J7.png

The article he links to:

http://i.imgur.com/8L1DDT7.png

Meyers's post archived (200+ comments, including a hilarious series where a user called Azkyroth gets called Askyroth and loses it, including some vague racism overtones if I the whole follow up correctly):

https://archive.today/thVPn
Sobriety checkpoints are a violation of the 4th Amdt., which requires probable cause AND a warrant stating what or who is to be searched or seized. For probable cause, they say, 'it's a Saturday nite and you're out, so you've probably been drinking.' They skip the warrant part for obvious reasons.

At pharyngulu, conga boy @27 tries to make this point, but omits the warrant part. He also complains the stops are used "to find undocumented immigrants, as ways to enter vehicles to search for drugs or other contraband", implying he considers these less illegal than DUI.

Conga boy, a defense attorney btw, of course gets ripped a new one, gets dear muslima'd by that idiotic cunt, raging bee -- who also makes the classic right wing argument for govt encroachment on civil liberties. Schmott Guy calls him an asshole before informing him that stating what the Constitution says is not a valid reason for implementing it!!!

Another defense attorney, Ronald Couch, comes in to back up conga boy, and gets shat on, too. Come on over to the 'Pit, lads!

One thing's clear about the Horde: they fascists and they are dumb ignorant fascists.
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Maybe of some interest: I’ve been fiddling with a program to illustrate the concept of “it’s more of a guy thing” in the case of heights, something which both Stephen Pinker and Sam Harris have discussed in some detail, and which is analogous to many other parameters as well:

http://i62.tinypic.com/1zb827l.jpg

Shown above are very rough models [no effort to consider asymmetries] of the height distribution for both men and women based on this US Census table but with Imperial data [inches, feet] converted to centimeters using the conversion factor of 2.54 cm = 1 inch. Females have a mean of about 165 cm [5’ 4.5”] while males have a mean of about 175 cm [5’ 9”], and both distributions have standard deviations of 10 cm [about 4”]. The area under each curve between the two markers or vertical grid lines – at 185 & 190 cm [about 6’2 & 6’4] – give the percentage of the populations with heights in that range. And in the case shown, 1.65% of the female population and 9.18% of the male population are within those ranges: i.e., heights between 185 & 190 cm [a narrow if not “problematic” category as many of them are], “it’s more of a guy thing” (by a factor of about 6:1).

I don’t know offhand how that process would translate into something like religiosity - and the "atheist movement", but I think that graph at least suggests some underlying elements, concepts, and processes.

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http://i.imgur.com/EE2fiTx.png

What shitlord did TPM hire who mansplained this?

http://i.imgur.com/cO4yFD5.png

Of course if a Dawkins said that it would just be the misogyny of a 73 year old man.
If a Republican said that they would be at war with women.

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BarnOwl wrote: Have to admit, I really kind of resent this. She doesn't contribute to society in any measurable way, from my perspective, yet people pay to fly her around the globe and wine and dine her.

Humans are dumb.
[shrugs]

I went to New Zealand once, but it was closed.

This was in 1989, before the place was overrun with Lord of the Rings geeks. I recall there being two TV channels, one radio station (that could be picked up in the Bay of Plenty area), two brands of beer, and everything closed at four in the afternoon.

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BarnOwl wrote:
another lurker wrote:
This kind of bullshit peeved me ever since I was a little kid when I realized that actual skill counts for nothing when people are impressed with the abilities of sociopaths to bullshit their way through life. Social skills uber alles.
She doesn't come across as personable or engaging in her videos, but she must have something, because people keep inviting her for these international gigs. PeeZus also must have some charms that utterly escape me. I'm often mystified by how certain people can be attractive or interesting to many others, so maybe there's something wrong with me. :?
We live in the era of Paris Hilton.
'Nuff said.

Then again, I'm trying to imagine if Paris Hilton were a rapidly aging, bespectacled, alcoholic, RadFem...Okay, I'm as puzzled as you are.

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Post by Gefan »

For the hat-trick, on the subject of magnificent French Films:

I concur with many of those already cited and would add:

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Le* Retour de Martin Guerre. Excellent movie, remade by Hollywood as Sommersby and starring Richard Gere.

Justinien Trouvé Ou Le Bâtard de Dieu, is also very good.

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BarnOwl wrote:
another lurker wrote:
This kind of bullshit peeved me ever since I was a little kid when I realized that actual skill counts for nothing when people are impressed with the abilities of sociopaths to bullshit their way through life. Social skills uber alles.
She doesn't come across as personable or engaging in her videos, but she must have something, because people keep inviting her for these international gigs. PeeZus also must have some charms that utterly escape me. I'm often mystified by how certain people can be attractive or interesting to many others, so maybe there's something wrong with me. :?
The 'Skeptics Guide to the Universe' podcast is very popular in Australia and New Zealand.
I think if you only knew Watson from her contribution to the SGU you might have a different view of her.
On the SGU she is (or at least was - I haven't listened for quite a while) laid back, jokey and non confrontational. I've seen her try various things - online feminist, science reporter/writer, radio show host, etc, and she has never come across as being outstanding (or even proficient) in any of them. Where she does seem to have some degree of ability, is in acting the humorous foil for the SGU panel. The SGU seems to work as a show because it has a mixture of expertise (Steve Novella) with some geeky enthusiasm (the other Novellas and Evan Bernstein.) Watson seemed to be able to add something extra to the show, both in terms of making jokes (usually at the expense of the guys on the panel) and in making the panel a little less sausage-festy.

I suspect that if Watson gave up her SGU place and made her home completely within the SJW scene, her invites to Australia would rapidly dry up.

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'I went to New Zealand once, but it was closed.'
Hah, old joke. Seriously, Rebecca Watson will be in my city tomorrow! What were NZ Skeptics thinking?

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Meyers incites The Herd to laugh at a man nearly dying.

http://i.imgur.com/Jp5t7J7.png

The article he links to:

http://i.imgur.com/8L1DDT7.png

Meyers's post archived (200+ comments, including a hilarious series where a user called Azkyroth gets called Askyroth and loses it, including some vague racism overtones if I the whole follow up correctly):

https://archive.today/thVPn
Sobriety checkpoints are a violation of the 4th Amdt., which requires probable cause AND a warrant stating what or who is to be searched or seized. For probable cause, they say, 'it's a Saturday nite and you're out, so you've probably been drinking.' They skip the warrant part for obvious reasons.

At pharyngulu, conga boy @27 tries to make this point, but omits the warrant part. He also complains the stops are used "to find undocumented immigrants, as ways to enter vehicles to search for drugs or other contraband", implying he considers these less illegal than DUI.

Conga boy, a defense attorney btw, of course gets ripped a new one, gets dear muslima'd by that idiotic cunt, raging bee -- who also makes the classic right wing argument for govt encroachment on civil liberties. Schmott Guy calls him an asshole before informing him that stating what the Constitution says is not a valid reason for implementing it!!!

Another defense attorney, Ronald Couch, comes in to back up conga boy, and gets shat on, too. Come on over to the 'Pit, lads!

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Fascinating reading the comments.

Applause for this one that fact-checked the report (links in the original not carried over here):
qwints in comment 34 wrote: This story makes no sense. I-287 isn’t in Texas. In Texas, DUI is a minor with any detectable amount of alcohol. Drunk driving is a DWI. And DWI checkpoints are unconstitutional in Texas. Holt v. Texas 887 S.W.2d 16 (Tex.Crim.App. 1994) .
The best guess I’ve got is that they’re talking about State Highway 287 and a driver’s license checkpoint. Driver’s license checkpoints are worth protesting because they’re being used to harass suspected undocumented immigrants.
Love Owlmirror fact-checking, over multiple posts & with multiple links to prior posts at Pharyngula, Azkyroth's claim that "NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON WHO WASN’T ALREADY AN ASSHOLE" ever misspelled A's nym at Pharyngula. Then being told by chigau to back slowly away from the keyboard.

Amusing to think of some of the comments applied to other situations involving alcohol:
Ichthyic in comment 114 actually wrote:...people get impaired when they are drunk (half the reason TO drink FFS!), and end up making rather poor decisions. If there had been a checkpoint for drivers leaving Magic Mountain that night, I would likely have peen pissed off about it, but compared to the near calamity that actually happened? I say, bring on the fucking checkpoints and fuck the libertarian asses who haven’t got a clue.
Ichthyic in some alternate universe might have wrote:...people get impaired when they are drunk (half the reason TO drink FFS!), and end up making rather poor decisions. If there had been a checkpoint for people leaving the party with a potential sexual partner that night, I would likely have peen pissed off about it, but compared to the near calamity that actually happened? I say, bring on the fucking checkpoints and fuck the libertarian asses who haven’t got a clue.

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I am all for drunk-driving checkpoints. I hate drunk drivers.

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Old_ones wrote:
another lurker wrote:

This kind of bullshit peeved me ever since I was a little kid when I realized that actual skill counts for nothing when people are impressed with the abilities of sociopaths to bullshit their way through life. Social skills uber alles.
Is it even fair to say that RW has good social skills? Every time someone links to one of her youtube videos, I see someone with a dull personality. She is never excited about anything. She is never animated. Her "humor" is always sarcastic and never funny, and when she is talking she is usually complaining about something. I get the feeling she could suck the life out of a tombstone by osmosis.

I often wonder why she is still getting speaking/conference gigs, because she also has a thin resume and never seems to be insightful or informative. I used to think she was going to vanish off the face of the earth as soon as people forgot about elevatorgate, but strangely that hasn't happened. Could it be that the organizers of these things are afraid of being witch of the week if they decide to stop inviting Watson? It seems far fetched, but I'm at a loss for what else it could be. Maybe some of it is just name recognition from people who don't really know what they are inviting, or a lack of better women sketptics who are well established in the community, but it seems like there is another ingredient as well, and I can't imagine it being her magnetic personality.
Being an Aussie I'm seeing a lot of photos of the various conferences and meetups on twitter. I've seen a couple of RW photos in hallways but I've not yet seen a photo of her on stage, where there are a lot of photos of the rest of the SGU guys on stage. I wonder if she has treated this as a paid holiday and has pissed of the organisers by only putting in minimal appearances.
Also there are photos of the SGU guys sightseeing but RW isn't with them.

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katamari Damassi wrote:Okay Brits, what the fuck is going on in your country? Why can't porn depict a man pissing on another man? Does this have something to do with Prince Harry?

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/12/02/in ... making-it/
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HoneyWagon wrote:
BarnOwl wrote:
another lurker wrote:
This kind of bullshit peeved me ever since I was a little kid when I realized that actual skill counts for nothing when people are impressed with the abilities of sociopaths to bullshit their way through life. Social skills uber alles.
She doesn't come across as personable or engaging in her videos, but she must have something, because people keep inviting her for these international gigs. PeeZus also must have some charms that utterly escape me. I'm often mystified by how certain people can be attractive or interesting to many others, so maybe there's something wrong with me. :?
L. Ron Hubbard was called charming, mesmerizing and charismatic by his fans, and managed to steal Jack Parson's girlfriend away from him.
Looking at him and hearing recordings of him...I do not get that at all.
Charm is a weird thing. Remember John Major? The very dull man who was Prime Minister after Thatcher? When his affair with Edwina Currie came out, suddenly every woman in politics and the media was saying that, in person, he's charm personified, it just doesn't come across on TV.

Or what about Ian Paisley? How would you characterise him from his public appearances? Obnoxious, right? Scary? The kind of man you'd be nervous about speaking your mind in front of in case he exploded with outrage? The wife of a former co-worker of mine, a west Belfast Catholic, had to look after him at a work function once, and by the end of the night she said, and I quote, "I wanted to roll him over and tickle his tummy".

Sometimes, some people are immune to a particular person's charm. Tony Blair would be a good example in my case - I couldn't believe how many people fell for what seemed to me to be his obvious insincerity. I think most of us on the pit, more or less by definition, are immune to whatever charms Rebecca Watson possesses. But she does seem to have some, because they appear to work on her target audience.

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There's an interesting thread on Jerry's WEIT about euthanasia and the AMA's views on it. I'd be very interested in getting the opinions of our resident MDs.

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com ... uthanasia/

For what it's worth, I am 100% pro euthanasia (or assisted suicide, as I'd prefer to call it).

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windy wrote:Brain representations of social thoughts predict autism diagnoses:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 144827.htm
For the study, Just and his colleagues scanned the brains of 17 adults with high-functioning autism and 17 neurotypical control participants. The participants were asked to think about 16 different social interactions, such as "persuade," "adore" and "hug."

The resulting brain images showed that the control participants' thoughts of social interaction clearly included activation indicating a representation of the "self," manifested in the brain's posterior midline regions. However, the self-related activation was near absent in the autism group. Machine-learning algorithms classified individuals as autistic or non-autistic with 97 percent accuracy based on the fMRI thought-markers.

"When asked to think about persuading, hugging or adoring, the neurotypical participants put themselves into the thoughts; they were part of the interaction. For those with autism, the thought was more like considering a dictionary definition or watching a play -- without self-involvement," Just said.
http://images.sciencedaily.com/2014/12/ ... -large.jpg

What about pouncehugs? Or -tugs?
Autistics frequently suffer from alexithemia - the inability to understand our own emotions as well as others.

There's a good chapter in VS Ramachandran's The Tell-Tale Brain which discusses autism as a disorder of the self - or at least the sense of selfhood - which Ramy then uses as a springboard for discussing embodied cognition.

It's a superb book: I recommend it, together with Ramy's earlier Phantoms of the Brain, for anyone who enjoys Oliver Sacks or Pinker's books on linguistics. His Reith lectures are available to download on iTunes too.

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I wish there were someone around here to discuss autism from experience...

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So Theo has turned up at MN's with a withering appraisal of Michael's post:

'@ Michael Nugent

Thank you for your response to my comments.

If I can just make one small criticism with regard to the style your response, it would be that it is a little too wordy. A few hundred words should have done the trick, by my estimation. But in excess of 4000 words, and it tends to get a little verbose.

I have a suggestion right out of the gate – that is to say, in the very first line: “Theophontes, a pseudonymous commenter here and on PZ Myers’ blog,”

The word “pseudonymous” seems entirely superfluous and should have been omitted. Most commenters post pseudonymously, so this may be seen as the rule, rather than the exception. On the other hand, perhaps you think you are making a meaningful point thereby.

The only people making an issue of others pseudonymous writings,in my experience, tend to be some very smug bloggers/commenters, who use their real life names in online discussions.

Michael, if you feel comfortable putting your name out there, good for you. If you enjoy the privilege of living in a country that does not look ill upon the freedom of expression, then I am truly happy for you. I long, and struggle, for a time when such is universally accepted.

Tonight, again, I write from the barricades. My words shan’t be any less heartfelt, or meaningful, if I do so with the nym I have used online for the past many years.'


If I never needed an example of obfuscation and missing the point I'd know where to look.
Jesus these people are reprehensible.

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comhcinc wrote:[youtube]lfhseUDFI04[/youtube]
So has this founce be brought up?
Not here. The guy didn't want a high profile, so I can't blame him for bailing on his userids.

As far as his attack-attack-attack stance... well he really didn't seem to push that approach in his prior videos. And the whole, strong stance, yes-no binary thinking approach... Hey may be right. But I don't oppose SJWers just so I can end up being the polar opposite mirror image of them. Because that would be equally crap. I want less crap, not more.

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another lurker wrote:That Man From Rio
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0058203/
Worth watching?

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comhcinc wrote:[youtube]QdM3qsCNQYY[/youtube]
free thoughtpolice wrote:Take this haters!
[youtube]QdM3qsCNQYY#t=1938[/youtube]
Quite sucking at the internets.
Anything interesting in that video, because I really don't want to listen to her whine for half an hour if there isn't.

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d4m10n wrote: My apologies to everyone for the interruption, this is the only way I know to reliably get a message through to The Other Side, what with being blocked on Twitter and endungeonated and all that. Please carry on.
Any time d4m10n. You are always welcome here.

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BarnOwl wrote: Have to admit, I really kind of resent this. She doesn't contribute to society in any measurable way, from my perspective, yet people pay to fly her around the globe and wine and dine her.
Humans are dumb.
So not jealous. If you are unhappy with what Watson has, go out and make your own life better.

I'll agree that I think it is foolish that people want to hear her talk. But if there are people who are willing to pay, that is their own thing. I would be hard pressed to find situations where speech should be suppressed no matter how stupid it is (i.e. someone telling a crowd ready to riot that they should burn the bitch down). I don't have to pay to support it, and I can use my money to do things I love.

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because they appear to work on her target audience.
Charm is all a matter of choosing the right target audience. If you watch a video of any of Hitler's speeches he can look awkward, even downright goofy to a modern audience from a democratic country. And yet he was insanely popular at his times.

Charming someone is the art to make them think that you understand them, that you're on their side, and that you think they're well worth your attention. Different people react in different ways to different messages. A relaxed, mellow person won't be impressed by a rant, but someone with a chip on their shoulder might be.

Rebecca Watson has a huge appeal on the kind of people who are atheists but still want to feel morally superior to others, to improve society through their activism, and to punish those they consider to be immoral. She and PZ Myers charm people who feel wronged by society for one reason or another and dream of revenge.

Liberal arts students think that they deserve a good job because they achieved academic success. Society teaches you that if you study hard and get an advanced education then you'll succeed professionally. However this is only true if the skills you acquired through your studies are valued highly in the job market. Engineers, doctors and lawyers are paid well, and the latter two professions are seen as glamorous and highly attractive. Someone who does really well in medical school or law school is likely to get a good job.

Social or gender studies, on the other hand, are pretty much useless to find jobs, let alone good ones. This is true for almost any branch of liberal arts. So someone who has done well academically but still struggles to get a job feels cheated of a prize. The cultural settings in liberal arts degrees is predominantly leftist, so this kind of people already attribute most social problems to the Patriarchy.

Enter Myers, Watson and the SJWs. Their message is all about how society is flawed because old white males have too much power, and other groups are horribly oppressed and deprived of what is rightfully theirs. It's a message that contains some degrees of truth, but it's simplistic, brought to extremes and dogmatic. However it appeals to someone who feels bitter and struggles to get by. If you're a woman or a member of a minority who has been a good student but fails to get what they want, it's not your fault because you picked the wrong degree. It's the oppression of the Patriarchy.

If you're a white man who has been through the same process and feels the same way, you're not useless. You can be an ally in the fight against oppression. Sure they don't give you cookies but you still matter, you're still better than the rabble, your posts on the Internet are meaningful activism, and you can be proud of yourself to a certain degree.

It's a really powerful message for someone who already leans towards leftist positions and struggles with feeling of uselessness and inadequacy. Myers & co coddle their audience, give them an identity, a purpose in life. Of course activism needs an enemy, and here the "harassers", the "dudebros" come in handy. Anyone who isn't a devoted follower is an enemy, and has to be fought in any possible way.

The Horde is insulated by external influences by a liberal use of the banhammer. Hatred against the ideological enemies is justified and encouraged. Critical thinking and freedom of speech are derided and substituted by memes and by the "shut up and listen" approach. SJW dogmas are not to be questioned.

And so anyone who invents a witty insult against the dudebros, or rants about his woes, is celebrated, offered pouncehugs and affection. The aforementioned liberal arts student who struggles professionally becomes a hurting warrior, even a tragic hero.

Sure, there's always the risk of falling short and be cast aside because of your sinful patriarchal thoughts. But there's an easy solution for that: make more and more outrageously extremist claims, agree with everything that the leaders say, and use your Twitter weapons to fight the good fight.

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biblia wrote:'I went to New Zealand once, but it was closed.'
Hah, old joke. Seriously, Rebecca Watson will be in my city tomorrow! What were NZ Skeptics thinking?
Exactly. The last time it was closed was in the Muldoon era. It was all on after 1984 when Labour came into power and gave two fingers up to the American military/government.

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BarnOwl wrote:She doesn't come across as personable or engaging in her videos, but she must have something, because people keep inviting her for these international gigs. PeeZus also must have some charms that utterly escape me. I'm often mystified by how certain people can be attractive or interesting to many others, so maybe there's something wrong with me. :?
Her original charm was that of the side-kick. Someone not so serious. Now she pretty much acts as a totem. A flag in the ground that stands for 'women are oppressed.' And that is why people go.

That and she was already over in that neck of the woods because Skeptic's Guide to the Universe was invited to do a show. She will always get an invite to those gigs. Rebecca may suck at a lot of things, but she has learned how to try and capitalize on opportunities to do more talks when she travels around. If she is in the area, or traveling through, she will try to line up extra speaking gigs. Smart & savvy. And all she has to do is stand up and talk about how drunk she got last night, and how drunk she will get tonight. A number of her events appear to be a quiz show. She is light comic entertainment at best.

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Poor, poor AlexSeanChai on the A+ Forums. It seems that procrastination is robbing him of teh spoons required for college life. However, his struggle with neuroatypicality allows some insight into the calendar and college life of a latter-day Rik from The Young Ones.

Five pieces of coursework are due by 8am, at least according to the A+ time stamps on Alex's posts. Relying on those might just be my time zone privilege showing - I'll check it tomorrow, or yesterday, or whatever. Anyway the deadline and our young hero hasn't left himself enough time.
Two and a half hours until the Long Critical Essay, the DIY Field Trip Film, and the last Ethnic Studies journal are due. Not to mention the remaining two discussion posts for Queer Studies week nine.

The DIY Field Trip: Film I could theoretically do right now. Also the discussion posts. But for the Long Critical Essay, I have half an hour of film to go. And for the last journal, I have probably an hour to an hour and a half of film to go; I haven't checked, but the assigned viewing is Act II of a documentary that is like four hours in total.

Why do I procrastinate? Why, why, why do I procrastinate? THIS ALWAYS HAPPENS. I can't focus and then I run out of time.

The aggravating thing is I picked the films for Critical Reviewing. The one I have half an hour to go on is Rodgers and Hammerstein's Cinderella (the one starring Brandy). It's a fantastic film. I love it. But it's such a chore.

Okay. Never mind the field trip, it's worth fifteen points, and the final draft of the LCE will be worth a hundred. And never mind the journal, there just isn't time, and it's only five points. The discussions are thirty-five for all the posts and responses together, which isn't a terrible lot either, so never mind them. (Three different scoring systems here, mind.) So I can do all that tomorrow. But I need to unpause Cinderella and watch the last half hour, and then I need to write the essay.

...I think I need a cup of tea. Procrastinating again...
I think a lot of procrastinators could have managed at least watching their own movie choice, even if the essay was a bridge too far. Surely no one else on the course has to deal with this level of affliction?

And then (nearly 8 hours after the deadline has elapsed), an atrocity occurs, creating further setbacks:
I couldn't focus so I went to bed. And then discovered someone used my toothpaste and came back down to write a complaining email to all the potential culprits (I mean, I'm pretty sure by now it's my youngest sister, but she swears it isn't her) and also my parents, and then stayed up another hour, and still didn't finish the film or attempt any of the remaining homework.

I'm just pissed off at myself, mostly. And I still need to do the homework.

ETA: There is actually only one LCE submitted for workshop so far. So I'm not the only one late. *phew*
About six and a half hours later, the essay gets turned in and it's the third essay submitted. I imagine that when your degree includes course options like " Violence Against Women, Studies in Writing, Sustainability for the Common Good, Yoga, Giving and Voluntarism, Queer/Trans People of Color Arts and Activism, or Women, Weight, and Body Image" then your subconscious must be perpetually aware that it really doesn't matter what you do. I also suspect that Giving & Volunteerism involves neither.


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