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Re: Y'all come back now, y'hear?

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Hah, Peezus, you're so busted.

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yeah, that'll work.

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jugheadnaut wrote:
TiBo wrote:
In addition, the "reduces sexual function/pleasure" arguments may be somewhat correct, but you're talking about something that's hard to measure objectively. "Sexual pleasure" is a highly individual thing.
I made no such argument. Saying that the foreskin is a functional part of the body is based on facts (containing nerve cords, protecting the glans), not on merely subjective judgement. But if it's true (someone mentioned it) that there is a statistically significant number of circumcised people having problems performing the sex act, then their circumcision must be described as a disabilitating mutilation.
There's an increasing body of evidence that circumcision is associated with delayed orgasm. This study published last year showed an increase in frequency of delayed orgasm from 11.3% to 48.4% after adult circumcision. And while delayed orgasm might not sound like much of a problem, and maybe even a boon for women, that's really not the case. It makes sex stressful and less enjoyable for men and most women don't like being pounded away at for 30 minutes.
Apropos of which, a joke about the responses of 3 presumably stereotypical women during sex. Although I suppose it should be emphasized that the stereotypes are unlikely to be exhaustive, or unlikely to cover the entire population:

A nymphomaniac: “Are you finished already?”;
A prostitute: “Aren’t you finished yet?”
A wife: “I think I’ll paint the ceiling beige ....”

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jugheadnaut wrote:
TiBo wrote:
In addition, the "reduces sexual function/pleasure" arguments may be somewhat correct, but you're talking about something that's hard to measure objectively. "Sexual pleasure" is a highly individual thing.
I made no such argument. Saying that the foreskin is a functional part of the body is based on facts (containing nerve cords, protecting the glans), not on merely subjective judgement. But if it's true (someone mentioned it) that there is a statistically significant number of circumcised people having problems performing the sex act, then their circumcision must be described as a disabilitating mutilation.
There's an increasing body of evidence that circumcision is associated with delayed orgasm. This study published last year showed an increase in frequency of delayed orgasm from 11.3% to 48.4% after adult circumcision. And while delayed orgasm might not sound like much of a problem, and maybe even a boon for women, that's really not the case. It makes sex stressful and less enjoyable for men and most women don't like being pounded away at for 30 minutes.
You haven't met my wife!

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welch wrote:
Southern wrote:And there it goes David Wong again, riding the Sarkeesian bandwagon on Cracked. What a shock.

Why, oh God why, when these idiots talking about videogames and female protagonists never talk about Final Fantasy XIII? Jesus fucking Christ, that's three whole AAA games with two different female protagonists! The way he talks, it's like nobody saw a female protagonist in a huge game in this current generation, barring Mirror Edge. Fucking Bayonetta apparently didn't happen, either.

I won't even comment on the Atelier series because it's such niche (althought it's on its fiftteenth installment, with the 16th one to be released next month in Japan), but since the series went to the PS3, it has been 4 whole games (Atelier Rorona,Atelier Totori, Atelier Meruru, and Atelier Ayesha) with female protagonists. The last one has two main characters, male and female. In fact, the whole series always had female protagonists until Atelier Iris on the PS2 (the 6th title on the series).

Fucking research, how do it work? Right, Mr. Wong?

While the majority of video games use male protagonists, to make it seem like it's the entire industry, or that female protagonists are some weird aberration, that's really not correct. Off the top of my head, major current and past releases with female protagonists (that i know about/have played):

Baldur's Gate (all)
Neverwinter Nights (all)
Mass Effect (all)
Tomb Raider*
Metroid (Prime)*
Dragon Age (All)
Icewind Dale (all)
Silent Hill 3
parts of King's Quest
Resident Evil (may be all, unsure)
Pretty much every MMO ever
Elder Scrolls, (may be all, unsure prior to oblivion)
The SSI Gold Box D&D series
Saint's Row 4 (May be the others, only played that one)

*no male protagonist option

Those are some pretty major releases, even the older ones. None of them are cooking or barbie games.

Could game producers do better? Sure. But again, let us work with the ACTUAL issue, not the issue we want it to be.
You may wish to add Left 4 Dead and L4D2. The game utilizes team based play with no power difference between male and female characters.
Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas also come to mind as you can be male or female with no difference in game play.

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Post by Spike13 »

jimthepleb wrote:All you cut guys just a quick question...where do you store marbles?
According to my diction coach, my mouth.
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AndrewV69 wrote: Anyway, with my kids I noticed my disapproval alone seemed to be enough (most of the time anyway) to make them mend their ways so I eventually abandoned punishment as well. It never got beyond the "no dessert for you young man" stage.

What was very effective especially in the teenage years, was having a discussion. And I mean a real discussion, not exactly Robert's Rules but pretty formal and there was no penalty for them pointing out what they felt was wrongdoing on my part.
"Eventually, Billy came to dread his father's lectures over all other forms of punishment."
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windy wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote: Anyway, with my kids I noticed my disapproval alone seemed to be enough (most of the time anyway) to make them mend their ways so I eventually abandoned punishment as well. It never got beyond the "no dessert for you young man" stage.

What was very effective especially in the teenage years, was having a discussion. And I mean a real discussion, not exactly Robert's Rules but pretty formal and there was no penalty for them pointing out what they felt was wrongdoing on my part.
"Eventually, Billy came to dread his father's lectures over all other forms of punishment."
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I strongly suspect you nailed it. Actually, that is possibly an understatement when it came to some cases. Remember how time crawled when you were a kid?

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Hah, Peezus, you're so busted.
:lol: Oh ye of little faith! How could you doubt that a sweet young thing of 15 could be so charmed as to express her enthusiasm for the new and broad vista portrayed in THA? Rather like “Lunam” expressing her enthusiasm for a book of Carl Sagan’s, The Demon-Haunted World, she got for Christmas, the response to which on Reddit got Rebecca Watson’s knickers in twist (with maybe some justification).

In any case, while you provide some interesting evidence to suggest that Myers may have “penned” that missive himself, I wonder whether a troll may not be the more likely possibility. Interesting though that generally we frequently have to go on probabilities and potential payoffs or costs in determining whether the rustling leaves are due to a tiger stalking us or merely to the wind, whether Jesus was merely a misguided or deluded man or the myth was cut from whole cloth.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Hah, Peezus, you're so busted.
Self promoting, yes, but OUCH.

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Spike13 wrote:
jimthepleb wrote:All you cut guys just a quick question...where do you store marbles?
According to my diction coach, my mouth.
:rimshot:
Ah, the snotty faced, condescending comments about the speech of the lower orders begin to make sense now.

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Tony Parsehole wrote:So it turns out that the Twitter SJW's are only now coming to the shocking realisation that the #EndFathersDay hashtag was an elaborate troll by 4chan. A troll that they gladly went along with when they thought it was invented by one of their own.
Hence the new #YourSlipIsShowing tag where they can congregate and moan about how evil 4chan is for getting them to reveal their bigotry.
Check it out. Many LOLs and much butthurt abound.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/YourSlipIsShowing?src=hash
I hope this start the Online World War I: 4chan vs the SJW. I wonder who'll win: the people who are the embodiment of online trolling and offending people just for the lulz, or the easily offended schmucks with propensity to psychological problems and delusions of grandeur.

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bhoytony wrote:
Spike13 wrote:
jimthepleb wrote:All you cut guys just a quick question...where do you store marbles?
According to my diction coach, my mouth.
:rimshot:
Ah, the snotty faced, condescending comments about the speech of the lower orders begin to make sense now.
Does this explain people who speak as if they have a rag stuffed in their gob?

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AndrewV69 wrote:
bhoytony wrote:
Spike13 wrote:
According to my diction coach, my mouth.
:rimshot:
Ah, the snotty faced, condescending comments about the speech of the lower orders begin to make sense now.
Does this explain people who speak as if they have a rag stuffed in their gob?
Wot?

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Cunning Punt wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Hah, Peezus, you're so busted.
Self promoting, yes, but OUCH.
I didn't want to read the whole thing. So what's he saying? That PZ faked the letter?

(And someone remind me why I have Matt on ignore... Oh, I remember now... because he's a total shit.)

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Ophelia Benson wrote: Brocialists ... brocialists ... blah blah blah ...
This is quite a clever meme from the CPM. It's part of the absolute denial that anyone could possibly be a critic of feminism from an egalitarian standpoint. No man who works with women, socialises with women in a normal fashion, gets on with women, respects everybody based on their merits, loves and is loved by (a select few) women and has good social skills and relationships with women and men could possibly be other than a feminist ally. No Siree !

Any man who criticises feminism must be a "man's man", focussed on men, with male friends, in men-only clubs, with a men-only job. They might (begrudgingly) have some good points, it's just that they've never interacted with women.

In other news, in the light of a diagnosis from my doctor I can announce that you are all* Non-Diabetic BASTARDS !! I demand that you immediately cease oppressing me with you insulin-supremacist views which are worse than Hitler or GO AND DIE IN A RUSTY PORCUPINE'S ASS-FIRE !!!!

* Except of course, those insulin-producers who feel that,deep inside they are actually diabetics despite having normal blood sugar levels.

Oh - and you're all BANNED FROM THE INTERNET !!!!!

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Post by Spike13 »

bhoytony wrote:
Spike13 wrote:
jimthepleb wrote:All you cut guys just a quick question...where do you store marbles?
According to my diction coach, my mouth.
:rimshot:
Ah, the snotty faced, condescending comments about the speech of the lower orders begin to make sense now.
It appears that the feline has received deliverance from her textile confinement.

Yes I too once endured under the despotism of the syntax of the great unwashed.

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You still talk like a cunt.

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Post by real horrorshow »

welch wrote:
Mr Radio wrote:
Eskarina wrote:
You are strawmanning your own position here.
No. My entire position is thus: Both male circumcision and FGM are bad and both should end. End of story, and there you have it, that's all she wrote, etc.

Apparently there is something about this otherwise simple and straightforward concept that is incredibly complicated and/or contradictory and/or logically unsound to others here. For this, I apologize, but I just can't see why that is.
No, because as a part of that position, you have decided that the blatantly obvious reality that FGM is objectively worse than Circumcision is...somehow taking away from circumcision? Some kind of pro-cutter plot?

It is, in many ways, analogous to the radfems who are against any resources going to aid male victims of domestic abuse because somehow that means women victims will have resources removed from them.
Actually welch, it reads more like you are the one playing the zero-sum game while accusing others of it. Mr Radio's argument seems to be the same as mine: All non-consensual non-medically-necessitated genital mutilation is wrong and should be stopped.

You are the one insisting that FGM is always "worse" than MGM (which is not true) and therefore more emphasis must be placed on FGM. Even if it were the case that all FGM is "worse" than all MGM, or the other way about, or if both were always exactly equally bad they are both equally wrong in moral terms. They are both unnecessary violations of a non-consenting child's bodily autonomy.

Or are you making the rad fem's argument by claiming that attention drawn to MGM is a deliberate tactic to draw attention away from FGM? Some kind of pro-cutter plot?

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Post by Spike13 »

bhoytony wrote:You still talk like a cunt.
I am what I eat..

It all began when I purchased Dr.Marvin Monroe's " Subliminally Slim"

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Casual Nemesis wrote:PZ links to an article by Jen Gunter, where she is responding to an article by George Will.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... survivors/

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/an-ob ... ape-column

At about 750 words, it is 45% anecdote, and 22% excuses for women not to report that they’ve been raped. It was pretty much an emotionally-based, condescending “you just don’t get it” pieces that is common among the SJL/radfem axis. It’s no surprise that PZ thought it was significant.

I’m not a fan of George Will, and his piece ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html )
is pretty much just a broad but shallow slap at SJL/radfem infection of universities. He bounces across the field between mirco-aggressions and victim privilege, trigger warnings and speech codes, to arguing against long debunked radfem rape statistics, to low campus standards of evidence in reported rape situations. There are no brilliant insights in it, but it highlights the main SJL pain in the ass points pretty well.

At least its nice to see some mainstream pushback on their BS.
My first thought was "Will must be hurtin' for hits"

re-read it recently. Yep. Hitcounts were low, time to Dvorak this shit.

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windy wrote:
jimthepleb wrote: Any aesthetic consideration is beyond the pale. We don't tattoo or usually pierce our kids until they can consent. If little Billy wants to look like daddy then maybe, just maybe he can have elective surgery but only by his own request.
I've never understood the "little Billy will feel bad if his willy looks different from Dad's" argument anyway. It's not like it's going to look like a grown man's cock either way!? (excepting some developmental oddity of Hornbeckian proportions in the family)
:cdc:

I wonder if those folks also present their prepubescent kids with merkins so they can look more like Mom and Dad...
I just wonder what the fuck goes through someone's head when they use that argument. I mean besides a cool breeze.

Who the hell celebrates "Does your dick look like Dad's?" day? To this day, I could not tell you what my dad's dick looks like, and I'm pretty fuckin' happy about that. If my son can't identify mine on a bet, FUCKIN' A, BUBBA!

You want a reason to ban circumcision, the fact that even one person seriously used that excuse would be a good one. "Sorry, it creates too much stupidity."

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TiBo wrote:
welch wrote:
Doesn't seem to actually jibe with reality until somewhat recently in the case of circumcision, and I doubt it would even now. You might see the doc suspended, but double-digit sentences? Doubtful. (Note: this is not talking about if this is right or wrong. This is just talking about the likelihood of that happening.)
I think you've just switched between 2 cultural biases, one of them allowing religion to trample on peoples' rights, the other one society being way too lenient towards medical malpractice. Plus, you assumed that I was talking about a qualified medical doctor. I wasn't.
I'm sorry, I assumed you were being reasonable and talking about circumcision as it happens in the west in the vast majority of cases. I was unaware you were talking about something completely different, and so my comment was based more on the reality of the common practice, not an edge case. Clearly, my assumption was way off-base.

Never mind then, forget I said anything, whatever opinion you wish me to have that makes you feel better, by all means, that is the one I have.

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Tony Parsehole wrote:So it turns out that the Twitter SJW's are only now coming to the shocking realisation that the #EndFathersDay hashtag was an elaborate troll by 4chan. A troll that they gladly went along with when they thought it was invented by one of their own.
Hence the new #YourSlipIsShowing tag where they can congregate and moan about how evil 4chan is for getting them to reveal their bigotry.
Check it out. Many LOLs and much butthurt abound.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/YourSlipIsShowing?src=hash
BAAHAHAHAHAAHAH

"Wait, 4chan TROLLS people? EVEN ME? AAAAAAARGLEBAAAAARRRRRGLE!"

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Hah, Peezus, you're so busted.
Be interesting to compare that to PZ's handwriting and those of the other parts of the Minnesota FTB collective.

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John D wrote:
jugheadnaut wrote: There's an increasing body of evidence that circumcision is associated with delayed orgasm. This study published last year showed an increase in frequency of delayed orgasm from 11.3% to 48.4% after adult circumcision. And while delayed orgasm might not sound like much of a problem, and maybe even a boon for women, that's really not the case. It makes sex stressful and less enjoyable for men and most women don't like being pounded away at for 30 minutes.
You haven't met my wife!
It's also not about people circumcised as infants, but rather as adults. I would expect them to notice a difference. The question is, how much of it is actually measurable, and how much is what they "remember" it being.

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Southern wrote:I hope this start the Online World War I: 4chan vs the SJW. I wonder who'll win: the people who are the embodiment of online trolling and offending people just for the lulz, or the easily offended schmucks with propensity to psychological problems and delusions of grandeur.
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Spike13 wrote:FGM is just that. It involves removing the clitoris, and in many cases binding of the vagina.( to be opened upon the consummation of marriage)

This procedure is normally done upon a young woman reaching puberty, without any anesthetic.
Needless to say it is a brutal, nightmarish practice.

Male circumcisions don't come anywhere close to the level of pain and loss.(as long as the practicioner doesn't totally fuck up and cut off half the guys penis.)

The male is still left with a fully functioning penis. ( as well as a very sleek look)

Comparing the two procedures is pathetic at best and I believe only serves to allow the rad fem types to show what whiners the MRA types are.( and yes anyone making this argument will be portrayed as an MRA)
You are assuming that all FGM takes place on the floor of a mud hut and all MGM takes place in a Western hospital. You're wrong.

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Spike13 wrote:
welch wrote:
Southern wrote:And there it goes David Wong again, riding the Sarkeesian bandwagon on Cracked. What a shock.

Why, oh God why, when these idiots talking about videogames and female protagonists never talk about Final Fantasy XIII? Jesus fucking Christ, that's three whole AAA games with two different female protagonists! The way he talks, it's like nobody saw a female protagonist in a huge game in this current generation, barring Mirror Edge. Fucking Bayonetta apparently didn't happen, either.

I won't even comment on the Atelier series because it's such niche (althought it's on its fiftteenth installment, with the 16th one to be released next month in Japan), but since the series went to the PS3, it has been 4 whole games (Atelier Rorona,Atelier Totori, Atelier Meruru, and Atelier Ayesha) with female protagonists. The last one has two main characters, male and female. In fact, the whole series always had female protagonists until Atelier Iris on the PS2 (the 6th title on the series).

Fucking research, how do it work? Right, Mr. Wong?

While the majority of video games use male protagonists, to make it seem like it's the entire industry, or that female protagonists are some weird aberration, that's really not correct. Off the top of my head, major current and past releases with female protagonists (that i know about/have played):

Baldur's Gate (all)
Neverwinter Nights (all)
Mass Effect (all)
Tomb Raider*
Metroid (Prime)*
Dragon Age (All)
Icewind Dale (all)
Silent Hill 3
parts of King's Quest
Resident Evil (may be all, unsure)
Pretty much every MMO ever
Elder Scrolls, (may be all, unsure prior to oblivion)
The SSI Gold Box D&D series
Saint's Row 4 (May be the others, only played that one)

*no male protagonist option

Those are some pretty major releases, even the older ones. None of them are cooking or barbie games.

Could game producers do better? Sure. But again, let us work with the ACTUAL issue, not the issue we want it to be.
You may wish to add Left 4 Dead and L4D2. The game utilizes team based play with no power difference between male and female characters.
Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas also come to mind as you can be male or female with no difference in game play.
I kept it to games i'm fairly familiar with, but you're right, I left out quite a few.

Which again, brings us to how exaggerating a problem to piss people off, while effective in doing that, doesn't help actually solve the problem. I will freely agree that there's way too many male honky protagonists in video games in situations where the story doesn't require it.

I will also freely agree that oftentimes, game designers and devs make assumptions about the story that doesn't allow for any other possibilities.

But the implication that somehow, women or non-honkies are completely left out of major releases or series is just bullshit, and bullshit helps solve nothing.

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Post by welch »

real horrorshow wrote:
welch wrote:
Mr Radio wrote:
No. My entire position is thus: Both male circumcision and FGM are bad and both should end. End of story, and there you have it, that's all she wrote, etc.

Apparently there is something about this otherwise simple and straightforward concept that is incredibly complicated and/or contradictory and/or logically unsound to others here. For this, I apologize, but I just can't see why that is.
No, because as a part of that position, you have decided that the blatantly obvious reality that FGM is objectively worse than Circumcision is...somehow taking away from circumcision? Some kind of pro-cutter plot?

It is, in many ways, analogous to the radfems who are against any resources going to aid male victims of domestic abuse because somehow that means women victims will have resources removed from them.
Actually welch, it reads more like you are the one playing the zero-sum game while accusing others of it. Mr Radio's argument seems to be the same as mine: All non-consensual non-medically-necessitated genital mutilation is wrong and should be stopped.

You are the one insisting that FGM is always "worse" than MGM (which is not true) and therefore more emphasis must be placed on FGM. Even if it were the case that all FGM is "worse" than all MGM, or the other way about, or if both were always exactly equally bad they are both equally wrong in moral terms. They are both unnecessary violations of a non-consenting child's bodily autonomy.

Or are you making the rad fem's argument by claiming that attention drawn to MGM is a deliberate tactic to draw attention away from FGM? Some kind of pro-cutter plot?
See, I tried for some vague form of being reasonable on this before, even though I was pretty sure it was going to fail, because the issue is far too emotional. I was pretty right about the failure thing. So on this issue, you decide what and how you want me to think on it, and rest your worried mind that I do indeed think that to whatever limits make you most comfortable.

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Post by real horrorshow »

Tribble wrote:
welch wrote:
John D wrote:Just a thought... but I suspect that more children are permanently and seriously injured by ear piercings than injured by circumcision. I give the win to Welch. Carry on.
LOL...I'd be disinclined to agree with it, but I raised the point to show that as a culture, we're pretty fucking hypocritical about bodily autonomy. If one is going to be absolutist about it, then let us raise the age for any form of bodily...modification that is not of an immediate medical necessity to 18, and be done with it.

But when I see the rage over a procedure that at least has SOME medical value, and then those same ragers seem okay with one that has nothing beyond decoration?

Oh Humanity.
The argument for bodily autonomy for children is pretty much a laugh.. We immunize our children. We take them to the dentist and make them get their teeth cleaned and and sealed. We get them stitches when they bust open their chins and, in the case of my youngest daughter, it took myself and two nurses holding her down in a straight-jacket to get her stitches. She fought like we were trying to kill her.

We make them sit at the table until they eat their peas. We put them in time-out or even spank them. When they don't want to go to bed, we put them in bed anyway. When they don't want to sit in the car seat, we still strap the little fuckers in, even if it means pulling over on the side of the highway during rush hour.

It's called parenting. And as a parent, by gosh, you take these 'anti-body-autonomy' actions all the time. Because it's your job to make the decision and do what is necessary for the long-term health, safety and well-being of your child.
So anything you want to do to your kid is okay? Or is it only okay when it's for "for the long-term health, safety and well-being of your child"? Because those are two very different things. And genital mutilation does not conform to your modified criteria.

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John D wrote: One thing can be said.... absolutes are usually not useful. While I very seldom struck my kids, I have hit them.

I used to slap my child's hand when they were about to play with the electrical chords. I didn't hurt them much... just a slap on the hand. Why? Because I wanted them to associate a strong negative with the electrical chord. I did the same when they ran into the street.

Of course, it is best to add a positive, so a slap can be followed by a pleasant distraction. Divert the kid away from the chord by finding them a better toy... or playing with them.

I never punished my kids by spanking. I think it makes no sense. It is better to just give them a symbolic time-out, or delay their treat for a while. It usually doesn't take much.

However, I do know many very normal healthy adults who where spanked as a kid.... including me. You tend to survive these things.

I once spanked my kid on the ass when I was angry and it was a really poor choice. I felt terrible about it and I appologised. I never did it a second time. Haha. Guilt works on me. A child should only be punished as a way to modify their behavior. If you are punishing a child because you are angry then you know you are doing it wrong!
I do agree that absolutes are not often useful, and that sometimes violence may be justified to prevent a greater harm. Tackling a child who is doing or about to do something potentially life-threatening is bound to leave a scrape or two, but is very much preferable to the child getting hit by a car or electrocuting itself.

However, here I use spanking as synecdoche for the dazzling array of varieties of pointless corporal punishment, including whipping, thrashing, belting, caning, etc. Most people who get occasional mild corporal punishment do indeed survive fine into adulthood, but corporal punishment is not always mild, and it leaves scars for some people, including myself. Let me give a few personal examples.

When I was little, my parents were always busy at work and had no time for me. I would then often wander off to my early childhood nanny's home, since I had bonded with her and her family very well. However, my parents found this very embarrassing, partly because they were no longer paying her to babysit me (nor did they want to). So each time my parents picked me up, they gave me a thrashing, which only served to make me resent them more. Particularly since I did not understand why they got so mad about it.

Today, as a result of years of corporal punishment (not to mention the fact that they are right-wing fundamentalist loons), I have more contempt than respect for my parents. Whenever they raise their voices for whatever reason, I get triggered into an anxiety attack (this, incidentally, is part of what makes SJWs so contemptible to me). These days, when they're around, I always try to make sure that I am physically able to defend myself should they try to lay a hand on me again.

I recognize all of this is pretty dysfunctional, and I'm not proud of it, which is why I hate child abuse. This may even be a contributing factor in why I became otherkin, specifically robotickittehdeitykin.

As we both agree, corporal punishment on children doesn't always cause long-term issues. However, depending on the severity and frequency of the abuse, the circumstances of the child's upbringing, and the child in question's temperament, it definitely could. I suspect lifelong enmity between parent and child is the least of the possible consequences.

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To be sure certain rabbinical practices should be moved to a sterile medically supervised environment.
(As well as banning the removing of the foreskin with the mouth as is done by some sects)

But outside of making the procedure as medically sound as possible, I really can't get that worked up about it.

May Ex dated some character that read her the riot act about the horrors of circumcision.

She in turn started giving me shit about our sons having had it done. I asked her " I had one too, did you ever notice any problems?

I honestly wonder how much of this is grievance theatre and how much of it is resentment.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Hah, Peezus, you're so busted.
Not solid enough. However what teen sends mail that isn't in a normal envelope. That said, you missed the signs that there is writing on the back side of the scan. Also, something like this could have been done by a publisher/PR person in an attempt to boost sales. The half crease is something you get when someone folds a paper in half for either an interoffice memo envelope, or something a teen does when they shove a paper in a book.

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Spike13 wrote:

I worked with a gentleman ( now deceased) who had that procedure done years ago, his right ear got infected and had to be removed.

He wore a prosthetic until he developed an allergy to the glue used to hold it on. From that point on he would tape a square of gauss over his ear (hole? Stump?) to avoid staring or upsetting folks and only wore the prosthetic for formal occasions.

There is always a danger when you go under the knife. In the case of vanity sometimes you may end up worse than before.
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Post by Spike13 »

ROBOKiTTY wrote:
John D wrote: One thing can be said.... absolutes are usually not useful. While I very seldom struck my kids, I have hit them.

I used to slap my child's hand when they were about to play with the electrical chords. I didn't hurt them much... just a slap on the hand. Why? Because I wanted them to associate a strong negative with the electrical chord. I did the same when they ran into the street.

Of course, it is best to add a positive, so a slap can be followed by a pleasant distraction. Divert the kid away from the chord by finding them a better toy... or playing with them.

I never punished my kids by spanking. I think it makes no sense. It is better to just give them a symbolic time-out, or delay their treat for a while. It usually doesn't take much.

However, I do know many very normal healthy adults who where spanked as a kid.... including me. You tend to survive these things.

I once spanked my kid on the ass when I was angry and it was a really poor choice. I felt terrible about it and I appologised. I never did it a second time. Haha. Guilt works on me. A child should only be punished as a way to modify their behavior. If you are punishing a child because you are angry then you know you are doing it wrong!
I do agree that absolutes are not often useful, and that sometimes violence may be justified to prevent a greater harm. Tackling a child who is doing or about to do something potentially life-threatening is bound to leave a scrape or two, but is very much preferable to the child getting hit by a car or electrocuting itself.

However, here I use spanking as synecdoche for the dazzling array of varieties of pointless corporal punishment, including whipping, thrashing, belting, caning, etc. Most people who get occasional mild corporal punishment do indeed survive fine into adulthood, but corporal punishment is not always mild, and it leaves scars for some people, including myself. Let me give a few personal examples.

When I was little, my parents were always busy at work and had no time for me. I would then often wander off to my early childhood nanny's home, since I had bonded with her and her family very well. However, my parents found this very embarrassing, partly because they were no longer paying her to babysit me (nor did they want to). So each time my parents picked me up, they gave me a thrashing, which only served to make me resent them more. Particularly since I did not understand why they got so mad about it.

Today, as a result of years of corporal punishment (not to mention the fact that they are right-wing fundamentalist loons), I have more contempt than respect for my parents. Whenever they raise their voices for whatever reason, I get triggered into an anxiety attack (this, incidentally, is part of what makes SJWs so contemptible to me). These days, when they're around, I always try to make sure that I am physically able to defend myself should they try to lay a hand on me again.

I recognize all of this is pretty dysfunctional, and I'm not proud of it, which is why I hate child abuse. This may even be a contributing factor in why I became otherkin, specifically robotickittehdeitykin.

As we both agree, corporal punishment on children doesn't always cause long-term issues. However, depending on the severity and frequency of the abuse, the circumstances of the child's upbringing, and the child in question's temperament, it definitely could. I suspect lifelong enmity between parent and child is the least of the possible consequences.

Well put

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welch wrote:
real horrorshow wrote: Actually welch, it reads more like you are the one playing the zero-sum game while accusing others of it. Mr Radio's argument seems to be the same as mine: All non-consensual non-medically-necessitated genital mutilation is wrong and should be stopped.

You are the one insisting that FGM is always "worse" than MGM (which is not true) and therefore more emphasis must be placed on FGM. Even if it were the case that all FGM is "worse" than all MGM, or the other way about, or if both were always exactly equally bad they are both equally wrong in moral terms. They are both unnecessary violations of a non-consenting child's bodily autonomy.

Or are you making the rad fem's argument by claiming that attention drawn to MGM is a deliberate tactic to draw attention away from FGM? Some kind of pro-cutter plot?
See, I tried for some vague form of being reasonable on this before, even though I was pretty sure it was going to fail, because the issue is far too emotional. I was pretty right about the failure thing. So on this issue, you decide what and how you want me to think on it, and rest your worried mind that I do indeed think that to whatever limits make you most comfortable.
Right. Is it gaslighting or lampshading when you accuse those you disagree with of using the wonky argument that, actually, you are using. Maybe we should call it lamplighting? Or welching?

Still, I can see how pointing out a failure in logic is clear proof that I'm getting all emotional. And the most important thing is that you get to tell everyone you're more right than anyone else - xkcd meme. Oh, and to tell us all - once again - that you aren't taking part in the discussion while posting more than everyone else combined. What comes next "hA hA I TROLL U"? You're being so oolon I need a shit.

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Lsuoma wrote:
Spike13 wrote:

I worked with a gentleman ( now deceased) who had that procedure done years ago, his right ear got infected and had to be removed.

He wore a prosthetic until he developed an allergy to the glue used to hold it on. From that point on he would tape a square of gauss over his ear (hole? Stump?) to avoid staring or upsetting folks and only wore the prosthetic for formal occasions.

There is always a danger when you go under the knife. In the case of vanity sometimes you may end up worse than before.
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Holy Shit!
That image came up on the screen when I refreshed on my I-pad!

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ROBOKiTTY wrote:
John D wrote: One thing can be said.... absolutes are usually not useful. While I very seldom struck my kids, I have hit them.

I used to slap my child's hand when they were about to play with the electrical chords. I didn't hurt them much... just a slap on the hand. Why? Because I wanted them to associate a strong negative with the electrical chord. I did the same when they ran into the street.

Of course, it is best to add a positive, so a slap can be followed by a pleasant distraction. Divert the kid away from the chord by finding them a better toy... or playing with them.

I never punished my kids by spanking. I think it makes no sense. It is better to just give them a symbolic time-out, or delay their treat for a while. It usually doesn't take much.

However, I do know many very normal healthy adults who where spanked as a kid.... including me. You tend to survive these things.

I once spanked my kid on the ass when I was angry and it was a really poor choice. I felt terrible about it and I appologised. I never did it a second time. Haha. Guilt works on me. A child should only be punished as a way to modify their behavior. If you are punishing a child because you are angry then you know you are doing it wrong!
I do agree that absolutes are not often useful, and that sometimes violence may be justified to prevent a greater harm. Tackling a child who is doing or about to do something potentially life-threatening is bound to leave a scrape or two, but is very much preferable to the child getting hit by a car or electrocuting itself.

However, here I use spanking as synecdoche for the dazzling array of varieties of pointless corporal punishment, including whipping, thrashing, belting, caning, etc. Most people who get occasional mild corporal punishment do indeed survive fine into adulthood, but corporal punishment is not always mild, and it leaves scars for some people, including myself. Let me give a few personal examples.

When I was little, my parents were always busy at work and had no time for me. I would then often wander off to my early childhood nanny's home, since I had bonded with her and her family very well. However, my parents found this very embarrassing, partly because they were no longer paying her to babysit me (nor did they want to). So each time my parents picked me up, they gave me a thrashing, which only served to make me resent them more. Particularly since I did not understand why they got so mad about it.

Today, as a result of years of corporal punishment (not to mention the fact that they are right-wing fundamentalist loons), I have more contempt than respect for my parents. Whenever they raise their voices for whatever reason, I get triggered into an anxiety attack (this, incidentally, is part of what makes SJWs so contemptible to me). These days, when they're around, I always try to make sure that I am physically able to defend myself should they try to lay a hand on me again.

I recognize all of this is pretty dysfunctional, and I'm not proud of it, which is why I hate child abuse. This may even be a contributing factor in why I became otherkin, specifically robotickittehdeitykin.

As we both agree, corporal punishment on children doesn't always cause long-term issues. However, depending on the severity and frequency of the abuse, the circumstances of the child's upbringing, and the child in question's temperament, it definitely could. I suspect lifelong enmity between parent and child is the least of the possible consequences.
Yeah. I think we agree 100%. Sorry to hear about your parents. Sounds like they we not very skilled at raising you. I hope you can find some peace with their having failed you.

My wife's parents were pretty violent. Her mother was worse than her father. We are pretty sure her mother had an anxiety disorder or something. My wife was always afraid to get hurt by her parents. Her sisters sassed back so they would get pounded upon by her mom with kitchen utensils, stabbed by meat forks etc. My wife, on the other hand, was the quiet kid who played with her dolls in the closet. Her father had a more ritualized way of whipping them with a switch. All this took a tole on her. She has very complex feelings about her parents... a kind of love/hate thing. They were very unskilled parents and she has to work hard to get past some of that shit. My wife is a splendid mother in my opinion. She is evidence that you can stop the cycle of violence.

My folks are not naturally violent. The small amount of spankings I got hardly adds up to anything. Of course, I am old enough to have been spanked by a school teacher. Not often however. I can't complain really. My wife, on the other hand, she has a right to complain.

My mother-in-law lived with us for over two years. She had suffered heart failure and "died", was revived, and ended up with brain damage. She couldn't form new memories. It was like we had to tell her what happened every day of her life. On top of this she was mean as fuck. We took care of the old bitch because we knew she would die in a week in the nursing home. We doted on her and tended to her all the while she complained about her food, and her children, and her doctors.

One time my mother-in-law was mad at one of her daughters. She was staying in my house and I had a 4 year old and a 1 year old. So she calls the daughter and starts bitching her out over the phone.... She says"You fucking whore.... I expect you to take care of your brother. But all you do is backtalk me and shack up with assholes and have little nigger babies!!!! etc...etc...etc...." So my wife says "Mom your grandchild is here and she is only 4 years old! Stop talking like that!" and my mother-in-laws says "It's a free country and I can say whatever the fuck I want!" Haha. Oh boy. Good times!

My wife and I can't stand being with unskilled parents. It makes us feel a bit sick. and.... you can't do much about it, because everyone thinks they are good parents. We had to stop seeing one of our best friends when they had kids. We just couldn't stand watching them make one obvious mistake after the next. Now that their kids are older... and turned out to be ok... we started hanging out with them again.

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Spike13 wrote:To be sure certain rabbinical practices should be moved to a sterile medically supervised environment.
(As well as banning the removing of the foreskin with the mouth as is done by some sects)

But outside of making the procedure as medically sound as possible, I really can't get that worked up about it.

May Ex dated some character that read her the riot act about the horrors of circumcision.

She in turn started giving me shit about our sons having had it done. I asked her " I had one too, did you ever notice any problems?

I honestly wonder how much of this is grievance theatre and how much of it is resentment.
Have you considered any alternative possibilities? I mean, that some people object to it on sanely-reasoned ethical grounds? You might even find some posts about that right here if you were to look.

Here's a tip: If you're too cool to have an opinion, don't post it.

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The fact that I don't have a problem with circumcision (as well as the fact stated that my sons had it done)pretty much implies that I do have an opinion.

You can't help but notice the ethical grounds often stated. I was merely suggesting that some people may have other motives as well.

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real horrorshow wrote:
Spike13 wrote:To be sure certain rabbinical practices should be moved to a sterile medically supervised environment.
(As well as banning the removing of the foreskin with the mouth as is done by some sects)

But outside of making the procedure as medically sound as possible, I really can't get that worked up about it.

May Ex dated some character that read her the riot act about the horrors of circumcision.

She in turn started giving me shit about our sons having had it done. I asked her " I had one too, did you ever notice any problems?

I honestly wonder how much of this is grievance theatre and how much of it is resentment.
Have you considered any alternative possibilities? I mean, that some people object to it on sanely-reasoned ethical grounds? You might even find some posts about that right here if you were to look.

Here's a tip: If you're too cool to have an opinion, don't post it.
Spike made it clear that the tip is irrelevant to him.

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Spike13 wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
Spike13 wrote:

I worked with a gentleman ( now deceased) who had that procedure done years ago, his right ear got infected and had to be removed.

He wore a prosthetic until he developed an allergy to the glue used to hold it on. From that point on he would tape a square of gauss over his ear (hole? Stump?) to avoid staring or upsetting folks and only wore the prosthetic for formal occasions.

There is always a danger when you go under the knife. In the case of vanity sometimes you may end up worse than before.
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Holy Shit!
That image came up on the screen when I refreshed on my I-pad!
I thought that was a female orc from LOTR...

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Southern wrote:And there it goes David Wong again, riding the Sarkeesian bandwagon on Cracked. What a shock.

Why, oh God why, when these idiots talking about videogames and female protagonists never talk about Final Fantasy XIII? Jesus fucking Christ, that's three whole AAA games with two different female protagonists! The way he talks, it's like nobody saw a female protagonist in a huge game in this current generation, barring Mirror Edge. Fucking Bayonetta apparently didn't happen, either.

I won't even comment on the Atelier series because it's such niche (althought it's on its fiftteenth installment, with the 16th one to be released next month in Japan), but since the series went to the PS3, it has been 4 whole games (Atelier Rorona,Atelier Totori, Atelier Meruru, and Atelier Ayesha) with female protagonists. The last one has two main characters, male and female. In fact, the whole series always had female protagonists until Atelier Iris on the PS2 (the 6th title on the series).

Fucking research, how do it work? Right, Mr. Wong?
Characters Being The Same

Oh god, more of this bullshit. They spot what they think is a problem (artists expressing themselves and private companies designing mass-appeal products, oh no) and then selectively avoid looking at all exceptions to their retarded social justice criteria for what a "good game" would be.

Persona 4 has a trans and a gay person
Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne has a clearly asian lead character and recruitable party members from every major faith tradition :dance:
Farcry 3 has a supporting cast that's almost all non-white, and the main character being white makes sense because he's a loser tourist
Indie gaming is full of non-traditional heroes

Endless Combat

Yeah, this is a trap big developers fall into, because Hollywood is shit right now, and the game devs want to create Hollywood-type video games. Action is inherently fun, and game devs have forgotten that games should have rising and falling action. Ironically, this is similar to how film studios have forgotten this.

Like, as an example, in Metroid Prime, you explore the word and do some minor battling with hostile creatures, you solve some puzzles, get a weapon maybe, THEN you have a big arena fight against a giant monster. If the whole game was battling giant monsters with no breaks to do anything else, it would suck dongs. Even Shadow of the Colossus (ESPECIALLY SotC) does this. There's a large pause between each giant boss battle.

But this isn't OMG SEXISM, it's game developers chasing the massing returns that Hollywood blockbusters can take. Every game wants to be Call of Duty now (as regards sales figures.)

Refusing To Tell Serious Stories

This is just bullshit. Another example of selective SJW sampling. Totally dishonest. There are tons of games out there that tell serious stories. The line about having to hide a serious story in fun gameplay is more bullshit. It's a game. Games have to be fun. Spec Ops is a perfect example of a serious game that made no compromises to gameplay, and a lot of people didn't like it because it wasn't that much FUN to play (although I disagree.)

Game Mechanics Remind You It's A Game

No duh, Shercock. Because there isn't always a perfect way to integrate "here is your save button" into the in-game logic. But it varies by game. Some games do a great job marrying in-game logic to the mechanics, and some don't even bother. One isn't "good" and the other isn't "bad." This is more SJW absolutist bullshit. This pillock could find tons of games to suit his or her tastes if xe would look, rather than dishonestly sampling only from those games that choose not to bother with integrating mechanics.

"The way I like to play games is 100% the right way and only the type of games I like should be allowed to exist in ze vorld. Hiel Cracked!"

Epic Plots Devolve Into Fetchquests

This is a legit complaint, because most people find fetch quests boring and shitty, and they're clearly put into games to pad their length with minimal developer effort. It's cheap, lazy and obnoxious game design.

Moral Choices

Eh, I suppose it's an issue sometimes. I tend to mostly play games that do give meaningful moral choices, like the Souls games. Or Shin Megami Tensei. Shame the writer never heard of these games (apparently.)

TL:DR: Another whiny bitch who wishes he was talented enough to design his own indie games. But he's not, so he'll bawww about the fact that some people like games he doesn't like, and oh how horrible that developers and publishers might create games that don't cater to his personal tastes. What a baby.

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Spike13 wrote:The fact that I don't have a problem with circumcision (as well as the fact stated that my sons had it done)pretty much implies that I do have an opinion.

You can't help but notice the ethical grounds often stated. I was merely suggesting that some people may have other motives as well.
That's a valuable line of thinking. It seems to me that your repeated insistence that you're happy with your penis in its current state is a defense mechanism. It seems as though you've convinced yourself that you're happy with your penis in spite of whatever dysfunction you experience. And repeatedly failing to confront the ethical objection to genital mutilation is a smokescreen so we won't pick up on the fact that you're broken.

This "other motive" thing is fun!

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ROBOKiTTY wrote:Spanking children is not okay.
[carlin]Well fuck you I think it's hilarious so how about that?[/carlin] 8-)

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I do find some gamers to be a whiny and entitled lot,

Back in the Atari 2600 days,we could only dream of the wide array and quality of gameplay enjoyed today.

There definitely is something for everyone, all one needs to do is look.

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Tony Parsehole wrote:So it turns out that the Twitter SJW's are only now coming to the shocking realisation that the #EndFathersDay hashtag was an elaborate troll by 4chan. A troll that they gladly went along with when they thought it was invented by one of their own.
Hence the new #YourSlipIsShowing tag where they can congregate and moan about how evil 4chan is for getting them to reveal their bigotry.
Check it out. Many LOLs and much butthurt abound.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/YourSlipIsShowing?src=hash
Pretty hilarious. Feminists are just about the most easily trolled group on the internet. I thought the buttpains were sharp and loud enough on the #EndFathersDay tag when they realized they'd been tricked, but apparently they had to start another whole tag devoted to how well they got trolled by 4chan.

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Really? wrote:
Spike13 wrote:The fact that I don't have a problem with circumcision (as well as the fact stated that my sons had it done)pretty much implies that I do have an opinion.

You can't help but notice the ethical grounds often stated. I was merely suggesting that some people may have other motives as well.
That's a valuable line of thinking. It seems to me that your repeated insistence that you're happy with your penis in its current state is a defense mechanism. It seems as though you've convinced yourself that you're happy with your penis in spite of whatever dysfunction you experience. And repeatedly failing to confront the ethical objection to genital mutilation is a smokescreen so we won't pick up on the fact that you're broken.

This "other motive" thing is fun!
It appears that the feline has received deliverance from her textile confinement.

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Miss Misery ‏@Miss_Missouri11 wrote: Jun 14
The fact that #EndFathersDay is actually being used on twitter in a serious manner just further shows how stupid this generation is.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/EndFathersDay?src=hash

I don't think this generation is necessarily dumber than others. Our idiots just have a historically unprecedented ability to broadcast their idiocy to the the world at large.

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Damn, even on ignore, Welch is still fucking annoying...


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DeepInsideYourMind wrote:Damn, even on ignore, Welch is still fucking annoying...


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Youre just begging him to whine at you that youre not ignoring him properly, arent you?

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Spike13 wrote:
It appears that the feline has received deliverance from her textile confinement.
It wasn't funny the first time. Perhaps being able to talk isn't the only thing you need somebody to teach you.

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Southern wrote:
I hope this start the Online World War I: 4chan vs the SJW. I wonder who'll win: the people who are the embodiment of online trolling and offending people just for the lulz, or the easily offended schmucks with propensity to psychological problems and delusions of grandeur.
I envision it looking something like this:
[youtube]w9B_9YeVhsw[/youtube]

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Post by windy »

Dick Strawkins wrote: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... an-insult/
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From the original article quoted by Benson:
The controversy is over the fact that this sentence, when the piece originally appeared, contained a link to a tweet by Sarah Kendzior in which she referred to a “brocialist” who once leveled a rape threat against her.
The Sarah Kendzior seems an intellectually dishonest individual.
Brocialist is a rather nebulous term and like most pejoratives is not something anyone calls themselves.
Kendzior got a rape threat from someone on the internet and decided to label this threatener a 'brocialist'.
From another thread about that stupidity:
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/201 ... ong-people
I don’t think the Kendzior is under any duty to be “helpful.” She is a very private person, apparently, and she just didn’t want to be dragged into Jacobin’s attempts to be trendy and relevant. She’s more in the position of a crime victim whose picture gets published by the press as a side example of something or other just to increase page clicks. She pushed back requesting that her situation be treated seriously, not used capriciously in a way that put her in danger of further online abuse.
"A very private person" who tweets about a rape threat to her 25 000 followers, and then gets mad when someone refers to that tweet in another context. Hmm... :? The same commenter adds:
The thing that this is most reminding me of is the Rebecca Watson incident. Kedzior’s piece was a very mild rebuke, more like Watson saying “guys, don’t do that” about being accosted in elevators by strange men.
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bhoytony wrote:You still talk like a cunt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Sexe_qui_parle

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Just checking and yep, I'm on the block bot. Not sure what level, though.

The block bot is apparently the solution of choice for the easily-trolled twitter feminists bitching on #yourslipisshowing, which should tell you something about them as individuals.

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welch wrote:
John D wrote:
jugheadnaut wrote: There's an increasing body of evidence that circumcision is associated with delayed orgasm. This study published last year showed an increase in frequency of delayed orgasm from 11.3% to 48.4% after adult circumcision. And while delayed orgasm might not sound like much of a problem, and maybe even a boon for women, that's really not the case. It makes sex stressful and less enjoyable for men and most women don't like being pounded away at for 30 minutes.
You haven't met my wife!
It's also not about people circumcised as infants, but rather as adults. I would expect them to notice a difference. The question is, how much of it is actually measurable, and how much is what they "remember" it being.
For obvious reasons, it's necessary to use adult circumcision in studies that are looking for before/after trends. This study isn't definitive, but is a pretty solid piece of evidence. Delayed orgasm is more a discrete condition rather than a continuous one, such as if they asked about sensitivity, and this gives the survey participants answers on the subject more credence. And the numerical difference is pretty huge as well, so it's hard to believe something isn't going on.

Here are two additional studies that also showed an increase in delayed orgasm after adult circumcision.

http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/e ... 4.abstract
http://www.webmd.com/men/news/20040202/ ... erformance

I'd be interested to see a study that compared incidence of delayed orgasm in circumcised vs. intact population groups, but a quick search didn't reveal any.

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