Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

[windy]

I'm sure some sort of smartphone app can be designed for legally documenting affirmative/enthusiastic consent - in addition to the obvious video capabilities. Maybe a selfie in bed with an overlay of signatures and fingerprints. Most people I know can't let go of their smartphones for more than about 30 seconds, so the app should always be available when "the time is right."

Good start, but a fingerprint wouldn't be enough, since consent can be revoked at any time. The app would need to have a dead man's (/woman's/transperson's/otherkin's) switch that needs to be pressed for the duration of the sex act.

[Really?]

I'm sure some sort of smartphone app can be designed for legally documenting affirmative/enthusiastic consent - in addition to the obvious video capabilities. Maybe a selfie in bed with an overlay of signatures and fingerprints. Most people I know can't let go of their smartphones for more than about 30 seconds, so the app should always be available when "the time is right."

Good start, but a fingerprint wouldn't be enough, since consent can be revoked at any time. The app would need to have a dead man's (/woman's/transperson's/otherkin's) switch that needs to be pressed for the duration of the sex act.

That's why I specified the knife and pre-dialed cell phone.

[welch]

Yes dear, whatever you say.

It's one thing that you're completely fed up with argueing certain issues, and therefor react in a dismissive manner, but it looks like that condition has meddled with your ability to comprehend things you just read. :geek:

yep.

[welch]

And judges, persecutors and lawyers will get paid to basically watch amateur porn all day. Damn, why didn't I go to law school?

No, that’s not the way it’s designed to work. The files wouldn't be released until there was a criminal accusation on the table – until then they’re totally encrypted; nobody gets to see them. Although the active parties themselves could do so if they, for example, wanted to improve their performances.

And, in passing, the system could be designed so that the files are deleted if both of the active parties agree after the fact to do so.

I'm not going to rehash what was a long, and actually kind of interesting argument. It's in the history here somewhere if you want to read it.

I think it's an interesting idea, but I don't think you could do it in any practical manner.

[John D]

Ahahahahaha, what the fuck is up my body?

When I had a so-called "pigtail" catheter in the wake of my kidney stone operation, I almost constantly felt like peeing, almost constantly in pain, and was almost never tired. At least, I did not feel tired enough to sleep. Now, a month later, when I've had the catheter removed, I don't always feel like peeing, I'm not constantly in pain, but now I feel more tired than ever before. And not only do I feel tired, but dizzy as well. Like I can hardly walk a meter before stumbling like a drunk.

It COULD be due to the drugs I had administered yesterday evening at the ER, when I felt some pain similar to kidney stone, where I got a shot of diclofenac intramuscular for the pain, a pill of oxazepam (oxascand in Swedish) to calm my nerves, and a dose of ketobemidone (ketogan in Swedish) intravenously to further reduce the pain which made me really, really, REALLY drowzy and nauseous, and I had to lie down on a bunk or I'd puke. When I said I was pain-free, they gave me some metoclopramide (primperan in Swedish) intravenously for the nausea, removed the needle, gave me some oxynorm (or oxycodone), metoclopramide in pill form and oxazepam and sent me on my way.

But it's been HOURS since then. I was there 'til 2 AM last night and now it's 9 PM. Surely it can't be in my system for that long? I just don't know what's happening right now. I feel EXHAUSTED. Is this really normal? Bloody hell. I hope it passes by tomorrow. (Oh yeah, sorry for using this as a blog, etc etc)

Oh shit. I hope you feel better soon. I think I may be on the road to recovery from what I am 90% sure were stones. I have no more pain, but I still have the feeling that I have to piss all the time. It is getting slowly better however.

My theory is that I had some stones that caused bladder and urethra inflammation. The inflammation causes the sensation of having a full bladder. My doctor is skeptical. I see him again Friday. Perhaps it is time to go to a specialist.... or perhaps I just wait since it feels like I am improving.

It is a bit funny, but every morning I wake up early. I get that regular morning erection and it makes me feel like I have to piss so much I wake up. Damn.

[Steersman]

I’ll concede that it is moot question about the extent of the problem, but I would say the efforts in California suggest that it is anything but a minor or trivial one. And for instance, you may recollect reading Ben Radford’s The Anatomy of False Accusations: A Skeptical Case Study:

<snip>

But in passing, it seems to me that if the active parties know that records of consent and the activities exist then they might be a little less likely to make bogus accusations or to cross the line. Win-win all around, I think.

Okay. Okay. You're right. This complicated problem requires a comprehensive solution.

1) Signed, notarized consent contract that is also signed by two witnesses.
<snip>
6) Once the sexual experience has concluded, each participant must participate in an exit interview.
....

PHEW! I think I've solved the problem. Maybe I'll make it into a graphic. Suggestions?

“By George, I think you’ve got it!” :-)

Although I might suggest that because it’s such a convoluted and complicated process it might be an idea to try to automate it somewhat – perchance an iPhone App? But as suggested, it seems that all that is essentially needed is for both parties to enter some password – maybe thumbprints could work. The data is then recorded and stored “on-the-fly” elsewhere, ready to be provided to “the authorities” if it turns out that someone has crossed a line or experiences some “buyer’s remorse” the next day. And then, as with other “commercial transactions” or purchases, both parties have several days to raise some objections, after which the files are more or less deleted.

But in passing, I might note there are already iPhone Apps in existence or planned whereby you can authorize other purchases or transactions.

[welch]

And judges, persecutors and lawyers will get paid to basically watch amateur porn all day. Damn, why didn't I go to law school?

Any local 'sex crimes' unit basically already does that. How do you think the undercover cops set up their stings?
And even though 'kiddy porn' (to include old, formerly legal porn, 16 and 17 year old boob shots and freaking anime drawings all of which I think are ridiculous) is such a bad thing that you can be prosecuted for merely stumbling across it or having a malicious app download it on your computer, we can surely trust our "Guardians of the Net" to watch anything that might help them in their righteous cause with not a HINT of prurient interest at all.

I'm surprised you didn't know this. Yes, we pay people good money to spend most of their days watching porn and pretending to be teenage and pre-teen girl and boy children. The amount of actual predators they catch is pretty miniscule, though. Mind you, by 'we' I'm talking of the US and sometimes Britain. Other places, your mileage might vary.

Porn ends up getting watched a lot in all kinds of places you'd not expect. Like people who make DVD player software that handles multi-angles. Turns out, there's really only one genre that ever got into multiple angles on a large scale. So a lot of companies have verrrrry soundproof rooms that require the signing of many waivers and things to get into, and basically, it's DVD player QA, where you spend a lot of time checking the same DVD from different angles. Watching porn. hour after hour, day after day.

It's a job given to n00bs, because no one else really wants it.

[Really?]

I’ll concede that it is moot question about the extent of the problem, but I would say the efforts in California suggest that it is anything but a minor or trivial one. And for instance, you may recollect reading Ben Radford’s The Anatomy of False Accusations: A Skeptical Case Study:

<snip>

But in passing, it seems to me that if the active parties know that records of consent and the activities exist then they might be a little less likely to make bogus accusations or to cross the line. Win-win all around, I think.

Okay. Okay. You're right. This complicated problem requires a comprehensive solution.

1) Signed, notarized consent contract that is also signed by two witnesses.
<snip>
6) Once the sexual experience has concluded, each participant must participate in an exit interview.
....

PHEW! I think I've solved the problem. Maybe I'll make it into a graphic. Suggestions?

“By George, I think you’ve got it!” :-)

Although I might suggest that because it’s such a convoluted and complicated process it might be an idea to try to automate it somewhat – perchance an iPhone App? But as suggested, it seems that all that is essentially needed is for both parties to enter some password – maybe thumbprints could work. The data is then recorded and stored “on-the-fly” elsewhere, ready to be provided to “the authorities” if it turns out that someone has crossed a line or experiences some “buyer’s remorse” the next day. And then, as with other “commercial transactions” or purchases, both parties have several days to raise some objections, after which the files are more or less deleted.

But in passing, I might note there are already iPhone Apps in existence or planned whereby you can authorize other purchases or transactions.

My concern is that it's too easy for someone to say, "My phone was stolen" or "My password was stolen." That's why I have witnesses and a notary and multiple camera angles. I've been thinking. The cell phone should be on the dead man's switch that was suggested. The woman can hold the phone button down; if she lets go, the police arrive.

[welch]

Holy Shit! I just finished watching the new Sarkeesian video. It was her most ridiculous video yet. It is so full of shit that I don't honestly see how anyone who has played any of the Open World games she referenced could possibly even begin to think her argument is even remotely reasonable. I am not exaggerating. It starts bad and just keeps getting worse and worse until she becomes Jack Thompson, Gail Dines and Andrea Dworkin all rolled into one.
REALLY!!

Her videos are basically the same thing, over and over. Just with different play videos in the background. If she were interested in doing this in a serious manner, she could have done an interesting, balanced series. But she's not, and she didn't. Pity.

[welch]

Aside from this being a really fucking dumb, overly complicated solution to a problem that does not really exist, who ya gonna trust with your sex videos?

And LOL at "totally encrypted"; that works so well in the age of NSA spying everybody, can you imagine a politician or other figure in a position of power recording, let's say, a BDSM session and "encrypting" it as per SteersKey so nobody sees it? Nobody will peruse it for political gain, I'm sure.

You really should take a look at the details of that encryption process envisioned (256 bit keys at a minimum which is still more than what even NSA can crack), and the way that “secret-sharing” works.

Besides, still, when conflict arise and you have to come [to court] and show your amateur porn video proving that you have enthusiastic consent, a third party, probably a judge, will have to take a look at it. ....

Which would you think is worse? Having someone see you in the act? Or going to the slammer for ten-to-twenty for a crime you didn’t commit? Or knowing that someone else was walking away after committing an egregious crime? Personally, I’d go with the alternative behind door one.

And something which judges do all the time. And they frequently view such things behind closed doors so the general public isn’t privy to those details.

The problem is less technical than people focus on. It's a fragile process with multiple single points of failure.

[EdwardGemmer]

Holy Shit! I just finished watching the new Sarkeesian video. It was her most ridiculous video yet. It is so full of shit that I don't honestly see how anyone who has played any of the Open World games she referenced could possibly even begin to think her argument is even remotely reasonable. I am not exaggerating. It starts bad and just keeps getting worse and worse until she becomes Jack Thompson, Gail Dines and Andrea Dworkin all rolled into one.
REALLY!!

The most ridiculous part (and this is saying something, being Anita Sarkeesian and all of her videos are ridiculous) was when she showed the various ways you could kill women in videogames. Oh, you could bash that prostitute with a baseball bat. Oh dear, that women just had her throat slashed. When will this violence against women end? She showed this, in open world games, where you can do pretty much whatever you want. Steal cars. Go on killing sprees. Blow up buildings. Nevermind the various ways you can kill the men (who, by the way, are a bunch of code carefully cobbled together) in the same fashion. But it's when the violence is directed towards these women avatars, well, that's when you've crossed a line. Utter. Fucking. Bullshit.

And then at the end, she says something like, and I'm paraphrasing here, it doesn't matter if you can do the same thing to a woman, or if playing as a woman do the same thing to a man, because men and women are still being treated differently in society as a whole. Oh, well, thank you so much for that wisdom, Anita. Except that means that whatever you've said up to this point has been a waste of time.

Actually, screw it. I'm going to enact the labour and quote her exactly because it's just THAT bad. (I almost tossed my surlies!)

Here it is, the timestamp:

The exact quote: "But even if sexualised NPC's were more prevalent, equal opportunity sexual objectification is still not the solution to this problem, especially considering the existing power differential between men and women in our society."

The fuck? What the fuck is she talking about? In her video, she shows instances of the protagonists of open world games killing women, an action that is completely optional and isn't even a requirement lest perhaps for a main questline, which considering the games she showcases (Saints Row, GTA 4 & 5, Red Dead Redemption, etc) there is maybe 1 or 2 that involves specifically women. And even if they did, so fucking what? She says "equal opportunity [whatever]" isn't the solution to the problem, so what is? She doesn't provide any alternative to this dilemma nor does she, it seems, intend to. Just a bunch of whining.

Anyone who watches her videos and knows the ins and outs of the games she's talking about knows she's talking utter shit. And still she is talking, monotonously, caked in make-up, trimmed eyebrows and hoop earrings, into the camera without a change of pace. She got nearly $160,000 for this, how about showing what that was worth? Go to different locations, talk to people, get THEIR perspective on things (and I don't just mean talk to people who agree with her but actually make the effort to make a polarising picture). In this and every other of her videos, she's speaking as if everything she says is fact. She says she's a fan of games, but then she actually has the gall to say that games influence sexism and "misogyny" in our society?

Yeah. Seems games has influenced a lot of things. School shootings. Prostitution rings. Marilyn Manson. Jack Thompson. Jesus.

It's unwatchable. Setting aside whatever disagreements one has with it, it's just a boring mess. Her earlier stuff was short, punchy, and entertaining. This seems like she is reading a really boring book juxtaposed with videogame scenes. She seems a lot like Phil Mushnick - going on and on about all the awful, no just awful, things that occur in videogames. Grand Theft Auto is an obvious satire - she might as well talk about how easy it is to run over pedestrians in the game without consequences. Maybe she did - I wouldn't know because her video was terrible and I'm not watching the whole thing.

[welch]

I’ll concede that it is moot question about the extent of the problem, but I would say the efforts in California suggest that it is anything but a minor or trivial one. And for instance, you may recollect reading Ben Radford’s The Anatomy of False Accusations: A Skeptical Case Study:

<snip>

But in passing, it seems to me that if the active parties know that records of consent and the activities exist then they might be a little less likely to make bogus accusations or to cross the line. Win-win all around, I think.

Okay. Okay. You're right. This complicated problem requires a comprehensive solution.

1) Signed, notarized consent contract that is also signed by two witnesses.
<snip>
6) Once the sexual experience has concluded, each participant must participate in an exit interview.
....

PHEW! I think I've solved the problem. Maybe I'll make it into a graphic. Suggestions?

“By George, I think you’ve got it!” :-)

Although I might suggest that because it’s such a convoluted and complicated process it might be an idea to try to automate it somewhat – perchance an iPhone App? But as suggested, it seems that all that is essentially needed is for both parties to enter some password – maybe thumbprints could work. The data is then recorded and stored “on-the-fly” elsewhere, ready to be provided to “the authorities” if it turns out that someone has crossed a line or experiences some “buyer’s remorse” the next day. And then, as with other “commercial transactions” or purchases, both parties have several days to raise some objections, after which the files are more or less deleted.

But in passing, I might note there are already iPhone Apps in existence or planned whereby you can authorize other purchases or transactions.

If you're talking about TouchID, that only works with the fingerprint data that is stored on the device. While, in theory, you can have multiple prints from multiple people, there's no way to prove that. The system assumes all 'prints are from the same person, and in any event, it doesn't record the actual fingerprint in say, a picture. The details are publicly available, you can find them with a bit of light googling.

In any event, it's not going to work for this kind of thing. It's a one person/device system. You could use passwords, but those are a huge problem in and of themselves.

There's also technical differences between devices that make implementing this on a wide scale really, really hard.

[deLurch]

Sikivu does it again.... but this time she tells her story uptown, at the Washington Post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/postevery ... -atheists/

Atheism has a big race problem that no one’s talking about

When all one has is a hammer, everything becomes a nail...

She complains about atheist not tackling black issues & the lack of social support services that churches offer. But atheism as established groups is hardly even there in the US. We might get a dozen or two to show up at a meet. We don't own or rent any buildings. We hardly have any communities to speak of.

There may be some issues that atheists would automatically support. But I suspect with her, it is an issue of supporting every idea without question, or you are not good enough.

In the article she bitches about tolkenism in the atheist community, but then she turns around and bitches about this:

Nonetheless, when it comes to educational equity in K-12 schools of color, atheist organizations have been MIA, ignoring the very race and class disparities that make STEM professions largely white male bastions in the first place.

So she is essentially promoting tolkenism again.

In the US, it is very difficult to get involved with race related issues, because there is a very strong vocal segment of social justice warriors who push back against any involvement from people who are not black. Same problem as with feminism. People are told to shut up and we have no way of understanding. People are told it is a black issue and to stay out. If you attempt to join in you will just be accused of being a racist. Now not all civil rights groups are like that. But if you attempt to get involved, you will inevitably get jumped on by these social justice warriors. If you are constantly told to shut up, then you are not part of the conversation. And if you are not part of the conversation, well... you are just not involved. People give up involvement early and quickly if nothing more but from a very sane instinct of self preservation. Social Justice Warriorism is again the root cause for people not getting involved in the US.

[deLurch]

And, in passing, the system could be designed so that the files are deleted if both of the active parties agree after the fact to do so.

Aside from this being a really fucking dumb, overly complicated solution to a problem that does not really exist, who ya gonna trust with your sex videos?

If that passes, I would not be surprised to see consent forms right next to the condom bowls & condom dispensers.

[windy]

Holy Shit! I just finished watching the new Sarkeesian video. It was her most ridiculous video yet. It is so full of shit that I don't honestly see how anyone who has played any of the Open World games she referenced could possibly even begin to think her argument is even remotely reasonable. I am not exaggerating. It starts bad and just keeps getting worse and worse until she becomes Jack Thompson, Gail Dines and Andrea Dworkin all rolled into one.
REALLY!!

The most ridiculous part (and this is saying something, being Anita Sarkeesian and all of her videos are ridiculous) was when she showed the various ways you could kill women in videogames. Oh, you could bash that prostitute with a baseball bat. Oh dear, that women just had her throat slashed. When will this violence against women end? She showed this, in open world games, where you can do pretty much whatever you want. Steal cars. Go on killing sprees. Blow up buildings. Nevermind the various ways you can kill the men (who, by the way, are a bunch of code carefully cobbled together) in the same fashion. But it's when the violence is directed towards these women avatars, well, that's when you've crossed a line. Utter. Fucking. Bullshit.

I just friended a new acquaintance on FB, and the first thing I see on his wall is praise for Sarkeesian's new vid. Oh, joy. :hand:

[Steersman]

<snip>
And LOL at "totally encrypted"; that works so well in the age of NSA spying everybody, can you imagine a politician or other figure in a position of power recording, let's say, a BDSM session and "encrypting" it as per SteersKey so nobody sees it? Nobody will peruse it for political gain, I'm sure.

You really should take a look at the details of that encryption process envisioned (256 bit keys at a minimum which is still more than what even NSA can crack), and the way that “secret-sharing” works. ....

The problem is less technical than people focus on. It's a fragile process with multiple single points of failure.

Sure; no system is perfect. Seat belts for example or fire alarms. Question of playing the odds, of determining if the net reduction in death and disaster is worth the cost of implementing the system in many venues.

[Lsuoma]

In the article she bitches about tolkenism in the atheist community, but then she turns around and bitches about this:

<snip>

So she is essentially promoting tolkenism again.

That's a really bad hobbit she's getting into...

[real horrorshow]

20 years ago, had I had a son, I probably would have been ok with a circumcision. But today, since I know better, I'd be against it. So, in that sense I can certainly see how someone with deep regrets on making a bad decision would hide behind douchery and accusations of emotionalism when the issue is brought up. Rationalizing a bad decision brings out the ugly and moron in people. And it's been full on fucking display here over the past few days.

Yeah, I believe I tried to make that point. The main thing now is to break through, as you so beautifully put it, the douchery and accusations of emotionalism.

We shouldn't cry over spilled foreskins; let's just try and prevent spilled foreskins in the future.

Now now. You don't welch to start telling you what's going on in your head too do you? His Internet telepathy is right up there with those SJWs who always know what you're thinking better than you do.

Besides, his mightiness has twice given us permission to assume that his opinions are whatever we please. (The possibility that someone might not give a fuck about his opinion being blasphemy of course.) In case you are interested though - from what I've read so far - the gospel according to welch is:

1) FGM is worse, so shut the fuck up.

2) It never did me any harm, so shut the fuck up.

[welch]

You really should take a look at the details of that encryption process envisioned (256 bit keys at a minimum which is still more than what even NSA can crack), and the way that “secret-sharing” works. ....

The problem is less technical than people focus on. It's a fragile process with multiple single points of failure.

Sure; no system is perfect. Seat belts for example or fire alarms. Question of playing the odds, of determining if the net reduction in death and disaster is worth the cost of implementing the system in many venues.

seat belts aren't perfect, but they're implementable in a consistent, reliable fashion. What you're talking about really could not be. The biggest problem is that to work, it would have to be consistently, reliably implementable across *all* mobile devices.

[welch]

In the article she bitches about tolkenism in the atheist community, but then she turns around and bitches about this:

<snip>

So she is essentially promoting tolkenism again.

That's a really bad hobbit she's getting into...

It comes with a lot of baggins

[Pitchguest]

In the article she bitches about tolkenism in the atheist community, but then she turns around and bitches about this:

<snip>

So she is essentially promoting tolkenism again.

That's a really bad hobbit she's getting into...

It comes with a lot of baggins

Doesn't really Shire a light on the subject.

[John Greg]

Sarkeesian actual reminds me, visually and presentation-wise, a little bit of Joe McCarthy. Seriously. The aching mouth, the puckered forehead, the stand-out brows, and so on. A feminised McCarthy. Maybe Ape+Lust or Steen can do a criss-cross?

[Dick Strawkins]

In the article she bitches about tolkenism in the atheist community, but then she turns around and bitches about this:

<snip>

So she is essentially promoting tolkenism again.

That's a really bad hobbit she's getting into...

I'm going to report that joke to elf and safety.

[Kirbmarc]

And even if they did, so fucking what? She says "equal opportunity [whatever]" isn't the solution to the problem, so what is?

She just wants to eliminate graphic fictional violence. She finds it "gross" (how Victorian of her). She wrote a paper once on how popular culture should be focused on nurturing and pacific solutions.

Action movies are a tool of the patriarchy. Fictional violence is a tool of the patriarchy. Under the new feminist overlords violence will be banned and finally the world will have peace and will talk only about peace.

Anyone who disagrees will die in a fire.

[Steersman]

[.quote="Steersman"]
You really should take a look at the details of that encryption process envisioned (256 bit keys at a minimum which is still more than what even NSA can crack), and the way that “secret-sharing” works. ....[/.quote]
The problem is less technical than people focus on. It's a fragile process with multiple single points of failure.

Sure; no system is perfect. Seat belts for example or fire alarms. Question of playing the odds, of determining if the net reduction in death and disaster is worth the cost of implementing the system in many venues.

seat belts aren't perfect, but they're implementable in a consistent, reliable fashion.

And so are condoms and birth control pills, although "reliable" is decidedly moot.

.... The biggest problem is that to work, it would have to be consistently, reliably implementable across *all* mobile devices.

I really don't see why that necessarily follows. Seems all sorts of Apps only work on specific platforms - people want the feature then they purchase the product it provides or do without.

And it seems that it is really only applicable to the iPhone in the context of the "Touch ID" capability" as a 16 character password is something that everybody should be able to come up with and remember - and that gives a 128 bit AES encryption which is virtually uncrackable, at least with current technology.

[real horrorshow]

No, that’s not the way it’s designed to work. The files wouldn't be released until there was a criminal accusation on the table – until then they’re totally encrypted; nobody gets to see them. Although the active parties themselves could do so if they, for example, wanted to improve their performances.

And, in passing, the system could be designed so that the files are deleted if both of the active parties agree after the fact to do so.

Aside from this being a really fucking dumb, overly complicated solution to a problem that does not really exist, who ya gonna trust with your sex videos?

I've always been under the impression that Steersman is being rather satirical with this suggestion. If you believe it is essential that all sexual encounters should have some form of legally admissible proof that there was continuous and explicit consent, then Steersy's App makes perfect sense.

If, on the other hand, you think that the SJWs with their "when in doubt its RAAAPE!" approach to human interactions are fucking nuts then, the App is an 'overly complicated solution to a problem that does not really exist'.

[Steersman]

In the article she bitches about tolkenism in the atheist community, but then she turns around and bitches about this:

<snip>

So she is essentially promoting tolkenism again.

That's a really bad hobbit she's getting into...

I'm going to report that joke to elf and safety.

'sauron, I'm outta here ...

[AndrewV69]

In other news: Why You Are Wrong

I disagree with you. I understand where you’re coming from, but I believe you’re mistaken, and I’ll explain why you are wrong.

First of all, the data backs up my point. I have facts out the waz. Your data are flawed, old, biased or incomplete. The people who collected your data are in prison for fraud or took funding from an evil billionaire who lives in a castle on a mountain where there is always lightning. My facts are bulletproof. They were gathered by humble grass roots researchers who love America and hate cancer. You can be forgiven for not having the same information that I do. People on “your side” don’t like to discuss data that annihilate their arguments.

[Dick Strawkins]

Holy Shit! I just finished watching the new Sarkeesian video. It was her most ridiculous video yet. It is so full of shit that I don't honestly see how anyone who has played any of the Open World games she referenced could possibly even begin to think her argument is even remotely reasonable. I am not exaggerating. It starts bad and just keeps getting worse and worse until she becomes Jack Thompson, Gail Dines and Andrea Dworkin all rolled into one.
REALLY!!

There's a big kerfuffle about this video on twitter from the sex work positive bunch. They are up in arms that she uses the term 'prostituted women' to describe female sex worker characters in various games but uses the more positive word 'gigolo' to describe male sex workers.
They are annoyed that she's strayed into sex negative rad fem territory.

The weirdest thing is to see various comments along the lines of "I liked her previous videos but I didn't like the face that she is embracing the sex work exclusionary feminist (SWERF) position."

How can it be a surprise?
:shifty:

[James Caruthers]

Twitter is absolutely hilarious at the moment. The baboon perimeter is filled with 4chan guerrillas, and they cannot tell friend from foe. It's fantastic how easily their ideology has been subverted.

There was this great star trek thing in deep space 9 *activate true nerd powers* where these aliens called "The Founders" could shape-shift into any form. Well, they were at war with the Federation, and they installed themselves as covert operatives to undermine the government. So everyone is going batshit insane OMG ANYONE COULD BE AN ALIEN SPY.

But eventually, the panic led to the brink of a (Federation) military takeover of Earth and the end of democracy in the Federation itself. Well, one of these Founder agents shows up to chat with Sisko, and asks Sisko how many shape-shifters are on Earth at the moment. On the whole planet.

Four.

There are only four.

I find that rather comparable with the #YourSlipIsShowing twitter witch hunts. Most of the people accused of being fake 4chan trolls are either twitter antifeminists or copycats. Who knows how many people were behind #EndFathersDay. One? A dozen? And probably a lot of the #EndFathersDay tweets were sent in all seriousness by SJW feminists.

They're just super butthurt that they were fooled so easily. :lol:

[welch]

That's a really bad hobbit she's getting into...

It comes with a lot of baggins

Doesn't really Shire a light on the subject.

She's pretty precious alright.

[welch]

20 years ago, had I had a son, I probably would have been ok with a circumcision. But today, since I know better, I'd be against it. So, in that sense I can certainly see how someone with deep regrets on making a bad decision would hide behind douchery and accusations of emotionalism when the issue is brought up. Rationalizing a bad decision brings out the ugly and moron in people. And it's been full on fucking display here over the past few days.

Yeah, I believe I tried to make that point. The main thing now is to break through, as you so beautifully put it, the douchery and accusations of emotionalism.

We shouldn't cry over spilled foreskins; let's just try and prevent spilled foreskins in the future.

Now now. You don't welch to start telling you what's going on in your head too do you? His Internet telepathy is right up there with those SJWs who always know what you're thinking better than you do.

Besides, his mightiness has twice given us permission to assume that his opinions are whatever we please. (The possibility that someone might not give a fuck about his opinion being blasphemy of course.) In case you are interested though - from what I've read so far - the gospel according to welch is:

1) FGM is worse, so shut the fuck up.

2) It never did me any harm, so shut the fuck up.

I should have asked you what I thought years ago.

[welch]

Sure; no system is perfect. Seat belts for example or fire alarms. Question of playing the odds, of determining if the net reduction in death and disaster is worth the cost of implementing the system in many venues.

seat belts aren't perfect, but they're implementable in a consistent, reliable fashion.

And so are condoms and birth control pills, although "reliable" is decidedly moot.

.... The biggest problem is that to work, it would have to be consistently, reliably implementable across *all* mobile devices.

I really don't see why that necessarily follows. Seems all sorts of Apps only work on specific platforms - people want the feature then they purchase the product it provides or do without.

And it seems that it is really only applicable to the iPhone in the context of the "Touch ID" capability" as a 16 character password is something that everybody should be able to come up with and remember - and that gives a 128 bit AES encryption which is virtually uncrackable, at least with current technology.

You can't have done tech support if you believe that.

[Kirbmarc]

Sarkeesian is just an incredible prude, like all "moral guardians" who believe that pop culture and entertainment is responsible for crimes and general evilness.

She's a feminist Jack Thompson.

[Clarence]

That's a really bad hobbit she's getting into...

I'm going to report that joke to elf and safety.

This is really hobbitlarious!

[Clarence]

In other news: Why You Are Wrong

I disagree with you. I understand where you’re coming from, but I believe you’re mistaken, and I’ll explain why you are wrong.

First of all, the data backs up my point. I have facts out the waz. Your data are flawed, old, biased or incomplete. The people who collected your data are in prison for fraud or took funding from an evil billionaire who lives in a castle on a mountain where there is always lightning. My facts are bulletproof. They were gathered by humble grass roots researchers who love America and hate cancer. You can be forgiven for not having the same information that I do. People on “your side” don’t like to discuss data that annihilate their arguments.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with any of the assumptions and facts in the above stated-paragraph.

:liar: :lol: :lol:

[KiwiInOz]

I send all my sex tapes to my mom...don't we all do that?

Yes, I think so. I've been sending all of my tapes to your mom too!

:clap:

[jugheadnaut]

Grats to your girlfriend and good luck with the event, Joggersnuts.
Sounds like it'll be a beautiful ride.
Pics or it doesn't happen!

Thanks! It looks like the weather will cooperate and it should indeed be a beautiful ride. I'll have some nice pics on Monday.

I almost forgot to post pictures from the charity bike ride (Enbridge Ride to Conquer Cancer) that I did a couple of weekends ago. Here's my handheld video of the last 2 minutes of the ride as I coast on a road next to the Niagara River to the finish near the lip of the Falls. This finish exceeded my expectations: I could hear huge cheers when I was about a minute away, and then drum beats before finally crossing the finish line under a huge video board. Definitely felt like I accomplished something! The organizers confirmed that over $20 million (CDN) has been raised so far from this one event.

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[Clarence]

Holy Shit! I just finished watching the new Sarkeesian video. It was her most ridiculous video yet. It is so full of shit that I don't honestly see how anyone who has played any of the Open World games she referenced could possibly even begin to think her argument is even remotely reasonable. I am not exaggerating. It starts bad and just keeps getting worse and worse until she becomes Jack Thompson, Gail Dines and Andrea Dworkin all rolled into one.
REALLY!!

There's a big kerfuffle about this video on twitter from the sex work positive bunch. They are up in arms that she uses the term 'prostituted women' to describe female sex worker characters in various games but uses the more positive word 'gigolo' to describe male sex workers.
They are annoyed that she's strayed into sex negative rad fem territory.

The weirdest thing is to see various comments along the lines of "I liked her previous videos but I didn't like the face that she is embracing the sex work exclusionary feminist (SWERF) position."

How can it be a surprise?
:shifty:

While I think Sarkeesian is a lying shit who doesn't really believe what she spews, the fact is her 'thing' has always been female victimhood. Female victim hood no matter if it is logically or factually consistent with reality or even other aspects of feminism . Your question is a very good one, and no, this is not a surprise. If you believe women have any power over or responsibility for their own life choices at all, you are guaranteed to find something Sarkeesian said or videos about to be 'problematic'.

[James Caruthers]

Holy Shit! I just finished watching the new Sarkeesian video. It was her most ridiculous video yet. It is so full of shit that I don't honestly see how anyone who has played any of the Open World games she referenced could possibly even begin to think her argument is even remotely reasonable. I am not exaggerating. It starts bad and just keeps getting worse and worse until she becomes Jack Thompson, Gail Dines and Andrea Dworkin all rolled into one.
REALLY!!

Her videos are basically the same thing, over and over. Just with different play videos in the background. If she were interested in doing this in a serious manner, she could have done an interesting, balanced series. But she's not, and she didn't. Pity.

More specifically, she's a professional con who doesn't give a shit about her field of interest, isn't qualified to talk about anything, hasn't played nearly as many games nearly as much as the average "girl gamer" and is only in this for the money.

So engaging with her material is doing her a service she does not deserve. Indie gaming and female devs already are, and have been, addressing any true gender inequalities. But it wouldn't matter if they weren't. If I'm a game designer and I want my main character to be a man, who the fuck are you or anyone else to tell me what I can't create? I'm the one creating, not you.

[Clarence]

Now now. You don't welch to start telling you what's going on in your head too do you? His Internet telepathy is right up there with those SJWs who always know what you're thinking better than you do.

Besides, his mightiness has twice given us permission to assume that his opinions are whatever we please. (The possibility that someone might not give a fuck about his opinion being blasphemy of course.) In case you are interested though - from what I've read so far - the gospel according to welch is:

1) FGM is worse, so shut the fuck up.

2) It never did me any harm, so shut the fuck up.

I should have asked you what I thought years ago.

Yes, you should have. It is always good to see when someone achieves personal enlightenment. :clap: :lol: :D

[BarnOwl]

I'm sure some sort of smartphone app can be designed for legally documenting affirmative/enthusiastic consent - in addition to the obvious video capabilities. Maybe a selfie in bed with an overlay of signatures and fingerprints. Most people I know can't let go of their smartphones for more than about 30 seconds, so the app should always be available when "the time is right."

Good start, but a fingerprint wouldn't be enough, since consent can be revoked at any time. The app would need to have a dead man's (/woman's/transperson's/otherkin's) switch that needs to be pressed for the duration of the sex act.

How about voice recognition for a "safe word" ... like ... cacao?

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[Karmakin]

Sarkeesian is just an incredible prude, like all "moral guardians" who believe that pop culture and entertainment is responsible for crimes and general evilness.

She's a feminist Jack Thompson.

Ding Ding Ding.

Instead her schtick isn't about general violence in society, it's specifically about "toxic masculinity".

[James Caruthers]

Incidentally, I've been working on some short stories, and most of the characters I've written so far are MEN. Some are even WHITE MEN.

If I were working in video games, I'd already have loud and angry feminist women and whipped feminist men lining up to accuse me of sexism.

Their lack of respect for artistic freedom is the #1 reason I despise Sarkeesians and their moral-panicking ilk. Fuck off, the lot of you. The feminist games you want to play ALREADY EXIST, you're just too fucking stupid to find them.

[Clarence]

More specifically, she's a professional con who doesn't give a shit about her field of interest, isn't qualified to talk about anything, hasn't played nearly as many games nearly as much as the average "girl gamer" and is only in this for the money.

So engaging with her material is doing her a service she does not deserve. Indie gaming and female devs already are, and have been, addressing any true gender inequalities. But it wouldn't matter if they weren't. If I'm a game designer and I want my main character to be a man, who the fuck are you or anyone else to tell me what I can't create? I'm the one creating, not you.

Yes, it's doing her a service. She never responds to points or any criticism of her videos, in her videos she never does any real research or shows any nuance or hell, often not even basic knowledge of the games she is critiquing. The "official" story is that SOLELY BECAUSE she was upfront about her intent of making a series on sexism in video games (a Hymn of Praise for the Brave, Heroic Anita is invariably sung at this point) she was attacked by rape and death threats. Tons and tons of them. How the poor thing escaped being triggered one never will know, but personally *I* find it a hopeful sign of the resiliance of the human spirit! Yes, you can puke now.

What's truly maddening is the number of gamer mags and gamer writers who've either fallen for her shit or support her out of ideological solidarity.

[Richard Dworkins]

Holy Shit! I just finished watching the new Sarkeesian video. It was her most ridiculous video yet. It is so full of shit that I don't honestly see how anyone who has played any of the Open World games she referenced could possibly even begin to think her argument is even remotely reasonable. I am not exaggerating. It starts bad and just keeps getting worse and worse until she becomes Jack Thompson, Gail Dines and Andrea Dworkin all rolled into one.
REALLY!!

There's a big kerfuffle about this video on twitter from the sex work positive bunch. They are up in arms that she uses the term 'prostituted women' to describe female sex worker characters in various games but uses the more positive word 'gigolo' to describe male sex workers.
They are annoyed that she's strayed into sex negative rad fem territory.

The weirdest thing is to see various comments along the lines of "I liked her previous videos but I didn't like the face that she is embracing the sex work exclusionary feminist (SWERF) position."

How can it be a surprise?
:shifty:

I find it odd that Sarkeesian, of all people, would take issue with women selling themselves since it seems she's plies a similar trade.

[Clarence]

Here's a young man who is hoping to work in the gaming industry and often explores Anita's misbehavior among other aspects of sexism (against both males AND females!) in video games and does so in a nuanced, respectful, and not hypocritical manner.

http://themalesofgames.blogspot.com/

[James Caruthers]

Other people's words are truly quite PTSD-inducing. It's amazing the poor girl is able to withstand the constant abuse of opinions which don't agree with her own.

Her trollfacing, raking in money and ignoring legitimate criticism are clearly defense mechanisms developed after years of thoughtrape oppression.

[Clarence]

Ya know what?
I've gotta put together a website (CAREFULLY researched) where I debunk lots and lots of these feminist lies about certain events, like Sarkeesian, Adria Richards and "Donglegate" , Rebecca Watson and etc. I dare to say that based on what I know I think most of the shit on geek feminism wiki is a downright lie when it comes to their vaunted 'timeline' of events.
These little incidences are lied about, exaggerated and then all brought together in an easy to digest place so that things will look much worse for 'women in tech' than they really are.

We need easy debunking sites as well. Unfortunately, debunking is much harder and takes much longer and needs much more evidence than the often mere baldfaced assertions these liars make again and again and again. But if I can make a place where many of their famous claims are debunked, people MIGHT start to doubt them. Right now, if feminists were much better at hiding their misandrous impulses, they'd be getting much more support rather than pushback. I can't believe the number of people who believe that all white men could vote before even a single woman (in the USA) or that men had a downright LEGAL right in the USA to sell their wives. Bad history and lots of noise about minor or even non-existent incidents seems to be what modern SJW feminism is all about :(

[Richard Dworkins]

Incidentally, I've been working on some short stories, and most of the characters I've written so far are MEN. Some are even WHITE MEN.

If I were working in video games, I'd already have loud and angry feminist women and whipped feminist men lining up to accuse me of sexism.

Their lack of respect for artistic freedom is the #1 reason I despise Sarkeesians and their moral-panicking ilk. Fuck off, the lot of you. The feminist games you want to play ALREADY EXIST, you're just too fucking stupid to find them.

Yes but it's not so much that you are selecting men and white men, it's the fact you are one. After all if you tried to write characters who were women or ethnicities outside of your own, they would recoil in horror at the audacity blab on about being "tone deaf" Racefail etc etc. And since white men have had the privilege of literacy all the way back to the Ur-White Men of Sumer it's time to let other voices be heard, varied voices from different cultures as long as those minorities toe the ideological line and don't get uppity.

As for video games, despite what she might think any games that do come out targeting the younger female market are not going to be Grifter Sociologist: The Patriarch Wars. They will have to conform to cultural norms in order to be profitable. The Triple A companies rather than indies. No doubt some feminist collective will knock up some half-arsed interactive emotion experience about vaginas being robbed of their songs or some such predictable idiocy, but in the mainstream the victim-feminists will always have lots to complain about, since their increasingly weird and religious tendencies don't sell well.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

Not just Florida. Apparently US & Canada.

I'm pretty sure that that applies to the accuser, not the defendant. It's to prevent trauma and stress to the victim, not the person defending themselves against the allegation(s). The defendant being the one accused.

Nope. The accuser, or more correctly, the prosecution side is the one burdened with 100% of the proof requirement. The defendant is literally not required to prove their innocence. Guilt, not innocence must be proved.

That is where a lot of the "oddities" of our criminal justice system spring from, and a lot of it is rather counter-intuitive.

No, the rape shield law referenced was meant to protect the victim (accuser) who will not be forced to testify in front of the court. Testimony can be taken under oath in a closed hearing. The defendant can exercise their 5th amendment rights, but rarely, rarely do so. It is tantamount to pleading guilty or nolo contendre.

I worked as a paralegal during my undergrad days, and I cannot recall one instance of the accused refusing to testify, unless a plea bargain had already been arranged. If you actually want to fight the accusation, not just take the sentence, you gotta talk. Rape shield laws were enacted so as to prevent more trauma to the alleged victim, and have little to do with the defendant.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

In the article she bitches about tolkenism in the atheist community, but then she turns around and bitches about this:

<snip>

So she is essentially promoting tolkenism again.

That's a really bad hobbit she's getting into...

That was terrible. I'm going to ring for a taxi for you.

[Steersman]

<snip>
Aside from this being a really fucking dumb, overly complicated solution to a problem that does not really exist, who ya gonna trust with your sex videos?

I've always been under the impression that Steersman is being rather satirical with this suggestion. If you believe it is essential that all sexual encounters should have some form of legally admissible proof that there was continuous and explicit consent, then Steersy's App makes perfect sense.

If, on the other hand, you think that the SJWs with their "when in doubt its RAAAPE!" approach to human interactions are fucking nuts then, the App is an 'overly complicated solution to a problem that does not really exist'.

It is partly satirical in response to the semi-recent discussions with Sarah Jones, among others, on the question of being cautious about who you go out drinking with and who you go home with. And about taking the same proactive steps we do to ensure we’re not robbed.

However, I also think that, in general and in particular, you seem to have a tendency – mind you, a fairly common one – to think, analogously, that having seen four white swans therefore all of them are white. More particularly, the case I described with Radford above, and the one I referred to in that AtheismPlus thread, as well as the movie Looking for Mr. Goodbar (fairly accurately based on a true story), rather clearly indicate that many women are maybe not as “discriminating” as they should be – not that I would throw stones at them for that reason; more power to them as a matter of fact. However, it seems that more than a few wind up paying a higher price for that freedom than I think is at all justified.

In addition, one might say pretty much the same thing about the arguably not inconsiderable number of men who wind up facing false accusations of rape.

Maybe you’re a little more circumspect, or lucky, in such choices, but I think it unreasonable to deny the fact that many others aren’t. Analogously, virtually all of us pay medical or home insurance, but substantially fewer of us wind up being obliged to have recourse to the mechanisms provided.

[paddybrown]

And, in passing, the system could be designed so that the files are deleted if both of the active parties agree after the fact to do so.

Aside from this being a really fucking dumb, overly complicated solution to a problem that does not really exist, who ya gonna trust with your sex videos?

If that passes, I would not be surprised to see consent forms right next to the condom bowls & condom dispensers.

Fry and Laurie were ahead of the game as usual...

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[Clarence]

Sigh.
In a way all this stuff - the SJW's , Anita Sarkeesian, PZ Meyers, even atheisms place in modern western society - is minor. The men(and a few women) hurt by this stuff -minor, too.
Even if you don't accept global warming, energy and economic crises seem to loom on the horizon.
The British and US governments (along with parts of Europe as well ) are openly "sjw-style feminist" and openly corrupt.
I mean, look at this:
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=229099
Follow the link he links to. It backs him up, he's not misreporting it, even though I'm often wary of Denninger. The Supreme Court of New York State just basically legalized fraud, at least fraud if you are 'big enough'.

This should be front page news and heads should roll for this.
They don't. And won't.
The President (like the previous President but even more so) lies openly, often flip-flopping from day to day or week to week.
It's politically impossible he'll be impeached, despite having a list of American citizens he can kill without trial and despite not really even trying to work with Congress (not that most of Congress is any better) to reign in the NSA.
Our justice system is corrupt and more so than ever - just like the political system- how you are treated relies on money or power.

I should be depressed about all of this and in some ways I am. But I still manage to smile day to day because of my sense of humor and the fact that most people -within limits - are decent enough, sometimes even surprisingly brave or ethical. I also realize there is literally nothing I can do. Hell, even if Absolute Dictatorship was to fall into my lap tomorrow (Don't worry, Welch. You wouldn't be executed. You're too much fun alive, and would make a good court jester or subject to tickle torture and your computer responsibilities reduced to overseeing a networked series of original Macs via Apple Talk), there's still tons of things just so baked into either the current system or possibly human biology itself that I can't do much about. So the only thing to do is try to put things in perspective. That really helps, esp if you are a member here.

[KenD]

The most ridiculous part (and this is saying something, being Anita Sarkeesian and all of her videos are ridiculous) was when she showed the various ways you could kill women in videogames.

What really got me was the blather about women NPCs existing as tools to serve the player, and therefore fulfilling the requirement for "instrumentality" in Nussbaum's definition of objectification.

The example she used (11mins in) was the player in Assassin's Creed IV being able to pay women to distract guards. Not even a case of violence against the women characters. How many games allow the player to hire male mercenaries as disposable meat shields, or feature allied NPCs who are basically cannon fodder in battle scenes?

Yet somehow this constitutes a gaming trope against women...

She says she's a fan of games, but then she actually has the gall to say that games influence sexism and "misogyny" in our society?

"In this way, these systems work to facilitate male violence against women, by turning it into a form of play; something constructed to be amusing and entertaining."

I'm not sure I've seen her proclaim that violence in games directly encourages real world violence quite so directly before.

[EdwardGemmer]

Rape shield laws are typically additions to the rules of evidence that say the past sexual conduct of the victim is not allowable evidence at trial.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

You really should take a look at the details of that encryption process envisioned (256 bit keys at a minimum which is still more than what even NSA can crack), and the way that “secret-sharing” works.

Which would you think is worse? Having someone see you in the act? Or going to the slammer for ten-to-twenty for a crime you didn’t commit? Or knowing that someone else was walking away after committing an egregious crime? Personally, I’d go with the alternative behind door one.

And something which judges do all the time. And they frequently view such things behind closed doors so the general public isn’t privy to those details.

The problem is less technical than people focus on. It's a fragile process with multiple single points of failure.

Just one of the myriad reasons this'd never work.

But more importantly, it's fucking idiotic & unnecessary. This is about people who are shitty at relationships wanting to ruin it for the rest of us.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

As has been pointed out here countless times, if they want a feminine oriented game, make one. But they simply cannot enact the labor to do the hard stuff. Just bitch and whine until somebody else is forced to do it. Therein is one of the most crippling features of SJW; a complete lack of competence in any real-world working situation.

I'd have more respect for them if they could do anything more than whine and be oppressed in what is arguably the least oppressive time and society in history.

[Aneris]

Just how inane Ms Sarkeesian's efforts are becomes apparent when you consider that everything put into a story, or video game is put there for a reason: people are there to make the streets look populated, shop keepers to sell stuff, children with banter to provide context, npcs to dispense quests and so forth. They are also all objects, quite literally. They are all “objectified” because their human qualities or great character aren't of importance. And as per Chekhov's Laws everything should have a functional purpose, even if purposeless for the reason to provide a red herring. And if the purpose of prostitute npcs is to provide a seedy atmosphere, because sex sells and male gamers don't mind seeing scantly clad women, then this “objectification” does not go beyond that of the cannonfodder enenies whose sole purpose is to ve blown up.

When she however complains about sex workers, just by proxy when they are being reproduced in a video game, then her argument is misguided. What about shooting people in the head?