The letter didn't actually say that, which would be intensely creepy. That was Matt's jokey paraphrase.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: It's not absolutely solid, but still compelling. And what teenager would send a letter to a chubby 57 year old man, stating that she'll be legal in a couple of years? Absolute bullshit. Cringe-worthy at best.
Jesus, peezus, have you absolutely no shame?
Oops, my bad. If I self-identify as female, will I be able to multitask?jugheadnaut wrote:The letter didn't actually say that, which would be intensely creepy. That was Matt's jokey paraphrase.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: It's not absolutely solid, but still compelling. And what teenager would send a letter to a chubby 57 year old man, stating that she'll be legal in a couple of years? Absolute bullshit. Cringe-worthy at best.
Jesus, peezus, have you absolutely no shame?
Hey, Matt, another data point that you need to start using emoticons! ;)
sirjohnfalstaff wrote:I like Jen Gunter and have read her blog since its inception. But using it here for a last ditch attempt to keep FTB relevant to something or other is a sad insult to Jen. I should know, as I am in the same trade as her. Perhaps I should get a school exercise book and a pencil and write about how wonderful she is (you never know, she might get me out of Indiana!) and then everyone would believe me. Tell me, PZ, should I imitate her handwriting or yours?
I don't know which of these two made me laugh more. ourse I do: Parsehole's a genius.Tony Parsehole wrote:So it turns out that the Twitter SJW's are only now coming to the shocking realisation that the #EndFathersDay hashtag was an elaborate troll by 4chan. A troll that they gladly went along with when they thought it was invented by one of their own.
Hence the new #YourSlipIsShowing tag where they can congregate and moan about how evil 4chan is for getting them to reveal their bigotry.
Check it out. Many LOLs and much butthurt abound.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/YourSlipIsShowing?src=hash
I don't understand your point, but I'm not going to get myself in trouble again, so I'll just keep quiet unless you care to elaborate.Really? wrote:On the other hand, I'm not sure your thoughts and logic are coherent enough to care about if you were circumcised as an adult for anything but some one-in-a-billion medical reason.jugheadnaut wrote:
For obvious reasons, it's necessary to use adult circumcision in studies that are looking for before/after trends. This study isn't definitive, but is a pretty solid piece of evidence. Delayed orgasm is more a discrete condition rather than a continuous one, such as if they asked about sensitivity, and this gives the survey participants answers on the subject more credence. And the numerical difference is pretty huge as well, so it's hard to believe something isn't going on.
Here are two additional studies that also showed an increase in delayed orgasm after adult circumcision.
http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/e ... 4.abstract
http://www.webmd.com/men/news/20040202/ ... erformance
I'd be interested to see a study that compared incidence of delayed orgasm in circumcised vs. intact population groups, but a quick search didn't reveal any.
She has an advanced case of Twitter Disease, where after many years of being relieved of the duty of supporting your statements and just making empty proclamations, you start tweeting out facts from your fantasy world as if they were facts from the real world.Opyt wrote:So. I somehow managed to find a feminist law student. I brought up innocent until proven guilty, and she agreed that it was important. She then told me that the burden of proof for rape should not be on the survivor/victim. Full tweet here if interested.
Also, despite being flagged for some kind of blockbot listing by VitaBrevi for "dogpile", I don't seem to be listed on the blockbot. I guess I'm not on it after all. Yet.
I find the prospect of Klinsmann going up against the Fatherland fucking hilarious.John D wrote:USA! USA! USA!
Now we just need to take down Portugal... and Germany.... piece of cake!
This statement is not categorically-true. For example, the UN's 2012 ban on female circumcision includes the "ritual nick" practiced on most newborn girls in Indonesia... the 4th-most populous nation/ whose inclusion inflates the stats on numbers-of-girls who suffer FGM.FGM is just that. It involves removing the clitoris, and in many cases binding of the vagina.( to be opened upon the consummation of marriage)
http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/06/1 ... f-1/199679It Is A Serious Crime. But If You're A 16-Year-Old Kid And You Have Sex With Your Best Friend's Mom, You Usually Get High Fives.
http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/06/1 ... f-1/199679It Is A Serious Crime. But If You're A 16-Year-Old Kid And You Have Sex With Your Best Friend's Mom, You Usually Get High Fives.
It's beautiful. Any follow up, Matt? Do you really believe there were multiple authors or one author with poor control over their faked style? Troll or one of Meyers's cronies? Laden?Mykeru wrote:Oh Jesus Christ, the Savior on a Stick, but Matt Cavanaugh's analysis of P.Z. Myers' underage girl fandom is truly a thing of train-wreck wonder:
PZ Myers and the Dream Girl
I know we keep saying "This is the moment P.Z. irrevocably goes off the deep end", but This is the moment P.Z. irrevocably goes off the deep end
I'm siding with the feminist law student. Placing the burden of proof on the accuser "shouldn't be".jugheadnaut wrote:...She has an advanced case of Twitter Disease, where after many years of being relieved of the duty of supporting your statements and just making empty proclamations, you start tweeting out facts from your fantasy world as if they were facts from the real world....Opyt wrote:So. I somehow managed to find a feminist law student. I brought up innocent until proven guilty, and she agreed that it was important. She then told me that the burden of proof for rape should not be on the survivor/victim. Full tweet here if interested.
....
Link?Some Lurker wrote:Anita Sarkeesian is being attacked by SJWs for her views on sex workers as expressed in her latest video.
(Oh Happy Day) :dance:
I'm worried the next Jehovah's Witness to ring the Myers'' doorbell might just get shanked...Mykeru wrote:Oh Jesus Christ, the Savior on a Stick, but Matt Cavanaugh's analysis of P.Z. Myers' underage girl fandom is truly a thing of train-wreck wonder:
PZ Myers and the Dream Girl
I know we keep saying "This is the moment P.Z. irrevocably goes off the deep end", but This is the moment P.Z. irrevocably goes off the deep end
Just a heads up on the FGM info http://www.circumstitions.com/FGM-defined.htmlSpike13 wrote:FGM is just that. It involves removing the clitoris, and in many cases binding of the vagina.( to be opened upon the consummation of marriage)
This procedure is normally done upon a young woman reaching puberty, without any anesthetic.
Needless to say it is a brutal, nightmarish practice.
Male circumcisions don't come anywhere close to the level of pain and loss.(as long as the practicioner doesn't totally fuck up and cut off half the guys penis.)
The male is still left with a fully functioning penis. ( as well as a very sleek look)
Comparing the two procedures is pathetic at best and I believe only serves to allow the rad fem types to show what whiners the MRA types are.( and yes anyone making this argument will be portrayed as an MRA)
According to the World Health Organization the following forms of FGM are used:
Description of the different types of female genital mutilation
Female genital mutilation is usually performed by traditional practitioners, generally elderly women in the community specially designated for this task, or traditional birth attendants. In some countries, health professionals trained midwives and physicians are increasingly performing female genital mutilation. In Egypt, for example, preliminary results from the 1995 Demographic and Health Survey indicate that the proportion of women who reported having been circumcised by a doctor was 13%. In contrast, among their most recently circumcised daughters, 46% had been circumcised by a doctor.
The procedures employed in each type of female genital mutilation are described below.
Type I
In the commonest form of this procedure the clitoris is held between the thumb and index finger, pulled out and amputated with one stroke of a sharp object. Bleeding is usually stopped by packing the wound with gauzes or other substances and applying a pressure bandage. Modern trained practitioners may insert one or two stitches around the clitoral artery to stop the bleeding.
Type II
The degree of severity of cutting varies considerably in this type. Commonly the clitoris is amputated as described above and the labia minora are partially or totally removed, often with the same stroke. Bleeding is stopped with packing and bandages or by a few circular stitches which may or may not cover the urethra and part of the vaginal opening. There are reported cases of extensive excisions which heal with fusion of the raw surfaces, resulting in pseudo-infibulation even though there has been no stitching. Types I and II generally account for 80-85% of all female genital mutilation, although the proportion may vary greatly from country to country.
Type III
The amount of tissue removed is extensive. The most extreme form involves the complete removal of the clitoris and labia minora, together with the inner surface of the labia majora. The raw edges of the labia majora are brought together to fuse, using thorns, poultices or stitching to hold them in place, and the legs are tied together for 2-6 weeks. The healed scar creates a hood of skin which covers the urethra and part or most of the vagina, and which acts as a physical barrier to intercourse. A small opening is left at the back to allow for the flow of urine and menstrual blood. The opening is surrounded by skin and scar tissue and is usually 2-3 cm in diameter but may be as small as the head of a matchstick.
If after infibulation the posterior opening is large enough, sexual intercourse can take place after gradual dilatation, which may take weeks, months or, in some recorded cases, as long as two years. If the opening is too small to start the dilatation, recutting (defibulation) before intercourse is traditionally undertaken by the husband or one of his female relatives using a sharp knife or a piece of glass. Modern couples may seek the assistance of a trained health professional, although this is done in secrecy, possibly because it might undermine the social image of the man's virility.
In almost all cases of infibulation and in many cases of severe excision, defibulation must also be performed during childbirth to allow exit of the fetal head without tearing the surrounding scar tissue. If no experienced birth attendant is available to perform defibulation, fetal and/or maternal complications may occur because of obstructed labour or perineal tears. Traditionally, "re-infibulation" is performed after the woman gives birth. The raw edges are stitched together again to create a small posterior opening, often the same size as that which existed before marriage. This is done to create the illusion of virginity, since a tight vaginal opening is culturally perceived as more pleasurable to the man. Because of the extent of both the initial and repeated cutting and suturing, the physical, sexual and psychological effects of infibulation are greater and longer-lasting than for other types of female genital mutilation.
Although only an estimated 15-20% of all women who experience genital mutilation undergo type III, in certain countries such as Djibouti, Somalia and Sudan the proportion is 80-90%. Infibulation is practised on a smaller scale in parts of Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gambia, Kenya and Mali, and may occur in other communities where information is lacking or still incomplete.
Type IV
Type IV female genital mutilation encompasses a variety of procedures, most of which are self-explanatory. Two procedures are described here.
The term "angurya cuts" describes the scraping of the tissue around the vaginal opening. "Gishiri cuts" are posterior (or backward) cuts from the vagina into the perineum as an attempt to increase the vaginal outlet to relieve obstructed labour. They often result in vesicovaginal fistulae and damage to the anal sphincter.
There is no mention of removing only the clitoral hood as described by Dr. Nowa Omoigui.
While the clitoris is the analogue of the glans penis, it should not be assumed that it is innervated in the same way. The evidence is that the glans clitoris is far more sensitive than the glans penis, and that the nearest analogue to the clitoris in sensitivity is the male foreskin.
Incidence of different types of FGM
Among the Bedouins of Israel none of the 37 women examined was mutilated. They all had only small scars on the prepuce of the clitoris and/or the upper 1 cm of the labia minora near the clitoral prepuce.
Asali A, Khamaysi N, Aburabia Y, Letzer S, Halihal B, Sadovsky M, et al.
Ritual female genital surgery among Bedouin in Israel.
Arch Sex Behav 1995;24:571-5.
Upon physical examination of the other group, Ethiopian Jews, which resides now in Israel and performed female genital mutilation in Ethiopia, 63% of the women, who all claimed to have been circumcised, did not even have a scar! 20% had scars, in 7%, one square centimeter of the labia minora was removed from beneath the clitoris and only 10% demonstrated a real and severe form of female genital mutilation, total amputation of the clitoris.
Grisaru N, Letzer S, Belmaker RH.
Ritual Female Genital Surgery Among Ethiopian Jews.
Arch Sex Behav 1997;26:211-5.
This does not speak about the severity of FGM in any other community, and it does not in any way mitigate the human rights abuse of FGM.
Thanks for everyone's interest. I have answers to / thoughts on what everyone's brought up so far. Can I ask a favor, and have you all pose them in the comments section of the original piece? Then I can answer them just once.ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:It's beautiful. Any follow up, Matt? Do you really believe there were multiple authors or one author with poor control over their faked style? Troll or one of Meyers's cronies? Laden?Mykeru wrote:Oh Jesus Christ, the Savior on a Stick, but Matt Cavanaugh's analysis of P.Z. Myers' underage girl fandom is truly a thing of train-wreck wonder:
PZ Myers and the Dream Girl
I know we keep saying "This is the moment P.Z. irrevocably goes off the deep end", but This is the moment P.Z. irrevocably goes off the deep end
Paging Ape+Lust!!!!Matt Cavanaugh wrote:I'm worried the next Jehovah's Witness to ring the Myers'' doorbell might just get shanked...Mykeru wrote:Oh Jesus Christ, the Savior on a Stick, but Matt Cavanaugh's analysis of P.Z. Myers' underage girl fandom is truly a thing of train-wreck wonder:
PZ Myers and the Dream Girl
I know we keep saying "This is the moment P.Z. irrevocably goes off the deep end", but This is the moment P.Z. irrevocably goes off the deep end
... by Peezus dressed as a midwestern farm girl.
[youtube]fhGGJe-ant8[/youtube]ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Paging Ape+Lust!!!!Matt Cavanaugh wrote:I'm worried the next Jehovah's Witness to ring the Myers'' doorbell might just get shanked...Mykeru wrote:Oh Jesus Christ, the Savior on a Stick, but Matt Cavanaugh's analysis of P.Z. Myers' underage girl fandom is truly a thing of train-wreck wonder:
PZ Myers and the Dream Girl
I know we keep saying "This is the moment P.Z. irrevocably goes off the deep end", but This is the moment P.Z. irrevocably goes off the deep end
... by Peezus dressed as a midwestern farm girl.
No, it's not some stupid plan that ends in !trolling. It's just clear you have no interest in any viewpoint other than your own. So I'm not going to even attempt to discuss it, because there cannot be a discussion in that situation. It's pointless, and ultimately a waste of our time. Whatever you wish to think that makes you right, and gives you the victory, it's yours with two bags full.real horrorshow wrote:Right. Is it gaslighting or lampshading when you accuse those you disagree with of using the wonky argument that, actually, you are using. Maybe we should call it lamplighting? Or welching?welch wrote:See, I tried for some vague form of being reasonable on this before, even though I was pretty sure it was going to fail, because the issue is far too emotional. I was pretty right about the failure thing. So on this issue, you decide what and how you want me to think on it, and rest your worried mind that I do indeed think that to whatever limits make you most comfortable.real horrorshow wrote: Actually welch, it reads more like you are the one playing the zero-sum game while accusing others of it. Mr Radio's argument seems to be the same as mine: All non-consensual non-medically-necessitated genital mutilation is wrong and should be stopped.
You are the one insisting that FGM is always "worse" than MGM (which is not true) and therefore more emphasis must be placed on FGM. Even if it were the case that all FGM is "worse" than all MGM, or the other way about, or if both were always exactly equally bad they are both equally wrong in moral terms. They are both unnecessary violations of a non-consenting child's bodily autonomy.
Or are you making the rad fem's argument by claiming that attention drawn to MGM is a deliberate tactic to draw attention away from FGM? Some kind of pro-cutter plot?
Still, I can see how pointing out a failure in logic is clear proof that I'm getting all emotional. And the most important thing is that you get to tell everyone you're more right than anyone else - xkcd meme. Oh, and to tell us all - once again - that you aren't taking part in the discussion while posting more than everyone else combined. What comes next "hA hA I TROLL U"? You're being so oolon I need a shit.
You are beginning to see why this is a topic that goes in the same bin as abortion and gun control I think.Spike13 wrote:The fact that I don't have a problem with circumcision (as well as the fact stated that my sons had it done)pretty much implies that I do have an opinion.
You can't help but notice the ethical grounds often stated. I was merely suggesting that some people may have other motives as well.
If that happens... oh, the schandenfreude, it will taste delicious.Some Lurker wrote:Anita Sarkeesian is being attacked by SJWs for her views on sex workers as expressed in her latest video.
(Oh Happy Day) :dance:
The burden of proof should be on the prosecutor.Opyt wrote:So. I somehow managed to find a feminist law student. I brought up innocent until proven guilty, and she agreed that it was important. She then told me that the burden of proof for rape should not be on the survivor/victim. Full tweet here if interested.
Also, despite being flagged for some kind of blockbot listing by VitaBrevi for "dogpile", I don't seem to be listed on the blockbot. I guess I'm not on it after all. Yet.
Oolon already challenged 4chan several months ago. If I knew how, I would try to get them going against him, too.Tigzy wrote:Ooley doth quench his butthurt by going on a mass botting spree. Somehow, James...I think you're playing with fire a bit, mate.
http://i.imgur.com/iYIH6Ps.png
:clap: :auto-dirtbike:ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:I don't know which of these two made me laugh more. ourse I do: Parsehole's a genius.Tony Parsehole wrote:So it turns out that the Twitter SJW's are only now coming to the shocking realisation that the #EndFathersDay hashtag was an elaborate troll by 4chan. A troll that they gladly went along with when they thought it was invented by one of their own.
Hence the new #YourSlipIsShowing tag where they can congregate and moan about how evil 4chan is for getting them to reveal their bigotry.
Check it out. Many LOLs and much butthurt abound.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/YourSlipIsShowing?src=hash
http://i.imgur.com/zjBmCMi.png
http://i.imgur.com/Ak5fgtH.png
I think we're in agreement. My point is that my primary concern is that I'm confused why we mutilate the genitals of young boys in the first place. I enjoy the scientific aspect of what you're saying, but I think the world would be better if we just stopped slicing up babies.jugheadnaut wrote:I don't understand your point, but I'm not going to get myself in trouble again, so I'll just keep quiet unless you care to elaborate.Really? wrote:On the other hand, I'm not sure your thoughts and logic are coherent enough to care about if you were circumcised as an adult for anything but some one-in-a-billion medical reason.jugheadnaut wrote:
For obvious reasons, it's necessary to use adult circumcision in studies that are looking for before/after trends. This study isn't definitive, but is a pretty solid piece of evidence. Delayed orgasm is more a discrete condition rather than a continuous one, such as if they asked about sensitivity, and this gives the survey participants answers on the subject more credence. And the numerical difference is pretty huge as well, so it's hard to believe something isn't going on.
Here are two additional studies that also showed an increase in delayed orgasm after adult circumcision.
http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/e ... 4.abstract
http://www.webmd.com/men/news/20040202/ ... erformance
I'd be interested to see a study that compared incidence of delayed orgasm in circumcised vs. intact population groups, but a quick search didn't reveal any.
Oh Jesus... now I'm fearing for my sanity if I ever come back to the pit again! I barely managed to survive intact to the last Ape+Lust's PZ, I think that a midwestern farm girl PZ will be the last straw... oh God, think of the happy place, think of the happy place...ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Paging Ape+Lust!!!!Matt Cavanaugh wrote:I'm worried the next Jehovah's Witness to ring the Myers'' doorbell might just get shanked...Mykeru wrote:Oh Jesus Christ, the Savior on a Stick, but Matt Cavanaugh's analysis of P.Z. Myers' underage girl fandom is truly a thing of train-wreck wonder:
PZ Myers and the Dream Girl
I know we keep saying "This is the moment P.Z. irrevocably goes off the deep end", but This is the moment P.Z. irrevocably goes off the deep end
... by Peezus dressed as a midwestern farm girl.
But not on the same bin as the dual-wielding Palestinian hammer x single-wield thumbless Israeli guitar.welch wrote:You are beginning to see why this is a topic that goes in the same bin as abortion and gun control I think.Spike13 wrote:The fact that I don't have a problem with circumcision (as well as the fact stated that my sons had it done)pretty much implies that I do have an opinion.
You can't help but notice the ethical grounds often stated. I was merely suggesting that some people may have other motives as well.
Since you seem to have some interest in voices that aren't yours: the problem is, no one is bitching about adults getting circumcised. That's a non-issue. However, there are some problems:jugheadnaut wrote:For obvious reasons, it's necessary to use adult circumcision in studies that are looking for before/after trends. This study isn't definitive, but is a pretty solid piece of evidence. Delayed orgasm is more a discrete condition rather than a continuous one, such as if they asked about sensitivity, and this gives the survey participants answers on the subject more credence. And the numerical difference is pretty huge as well, so it's hard to believe something isn't going on.welch wrote:It's also not about people circumcised as infants, but rather as adults. I would expect them to notice a difference. The question is, how much of it is actually measurable, and how much is what they "remember" it being.John D wrote: You haven't met my wife!
Here are two additional studies that also showed an increase in delayed orgasm after adult circumcision.
http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/e ... 4.abstract
http://www.webmd.com/men/news/20040202/ ... erformance
I'd be interested to see a study that compared incidence of delayed orgasm in circumcised vs. intact population groups, but a quick search didn't reveal any.
I was referring to her first sentence "the burden of proof is placed upon the defendant to disprove". That's a positive statement, and obviously false. Then she puts a foot back into the real world and gives a normative statement that at least is debatable.Service Dog wrote:I'm siding with the feminist law student. Placing the burden of proof on the accuser "shouldn't be".jugheadnaut wrote: ...She has an advanced case of Twitter Disease, where after many years of being relieved of the duty of supporting your statements and just making empty proclamations, you start tweeting out facts from your fantasy world as if they were facts from the real world....
That's a perfectly-true statement. Along with other things that shouldn't be:
-Beloved family pets struck down by cars right in front of innocent children? Shouldn't be!
-Good people suffering while bad people prosper? That shouldn't be!
-Racism?... Shouldn't be!
-Censorship of free speech?... why, that shouldn't be, either!
-Having to make difficult judgement calls when competing values collide? (such as whether racist free speech should be censored?)... well it simply Shouldn't Be that we have to do something so difficult.
Okay, but now you're artificially limiting things. If someone wants to argue about gender balance in specific genres, but that's not the argument I've seen, and it certainly doesn't seem to be the main one. As well, canon outside the game starts to get tricky, since canon can be changed at will, whereas that's a bit harder to do with a videogame.Sunder wrote:Just for the sake of playing devil's advocate the list gets a LOT shorter if you don't count most RPGs, which are arguably just artificially inflating the count. Plus if you're the sort of uber-nerd who cares about "official" continuity (as I can be at times) it's worth noting which stories are canonical and which aren't. For example, you could beat the first Diablo as the female rogue...but Diablo II definitively states that he was killed by the male warrior. You could play KotOR with a female Revan, but canon outside the games says Revan was male (although the Exile from KotOR II is canonically female so that series balances out). But the overall point is that it's probably better to focus on narratives that are written specifically for female protagonists than games where you can play as anyone.welch wrote:While the majority of video games use male protagonists, to make it seem like it's the entire industry, or that female protagonists are some weird aberration, that's really not correct. Off the top of my head, major current and past releases with female protagonists (that i know about/have played):
Baldur's Gate (all)
Neverwinter Nights (all)
Mass Effect (all)
Tomb Raider*
Metroid (Prime)*
Dragon Age (All)
Icewind Dale (all)
Silent Hill 3
parts of King's Quest
Resident Evil (may be all, unsure)
Pretty much every MMO ever
Elder Scrolls, (may be all, unsure prior to oblivion)
The SSI Gold Box D&D series
Saint's Row 4 (May be the others, only played that one)
you'll know you've arrived when people who are ignoring you still complain about you.Spike13 wrote:bhoytony wrote:It wasn't funny the first time. Perhaps being able to talk isn't the only thing you need somebody to teach you.Spike13 wrote:
It appears that the feline has received deliverance from her textile confinement.
Aww, buoytony doesn't like me,
I'm all broken up.
Let me reach into my bag of "shits to give"
Oh dear there's nothing there!
That would seem to be at odds with how things actually work. The burden of proof is really specifically on the plaintiff in such cases. the defendant doesn't even have to testify, (and often shouldn't.)Opyt wrote:So. I somehow managed to find a feminist law student. I brought up innocent until proven guilty, and she agreed that it was important. She then told me that the burden of proof for rape should not be on the survivor/victim. Full tweet here if interested.
Also, despite being flagged for some kind of blockbot listing by VitaBrevi for "dogpile", I don't seem to be listed on the blockbot. I guess I'm not on it after all. Yet.
well that's surprising.Some Lurker wrote:Anita Sarkeesian is being attacked by SJWs for her views on sex workers as expressed in her latest video.
(Oh Happy Day) :dance:
is that before or after it fucks every woman you do, ever have, or ever will know?Southern wrote:But not on the same bin as the dual-wielding Palestinian hammer x single-wield thumbless Israeli guitar.welch wrote:You are beginning to see why this is a topic that goes in the same bin as abortion and gun control I think.Spike13 wrote:The fact that I don't have a problem with circumcision (as well as the fact stated that my sons had it done)pretty much implies that I do have an opinion.
You can't help but notice the ethical grounds often stated. I was merely suggesting that some people may have other motives as well.
Precisely. I appreciate your powerful and concise statement so much that I'm awarding you one Hitch.Sulman wrote:http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/e ... s?s=mobile Soundly beaten at their own game. The very suitability of Twitter for nuance free dogma used to turn the battlefield upside down by trolls.
Of course I'm not bringing up adult circumcision studies to criticize adult circumcision. I've routinely referred to the issue under contention as childhood ritual circumcision in my posts, and have said that as far as I'm concerned, adults can do as they please. I'm mentioning adult circumcision studies because they seem to be the predominant studies available on the subject, and the only way you can do true before/after studies. Your criticisms probably have some validity, and one can't just blindly assume that the long-term effects of circumcision on adults will be exactly the same as the effects on children. But to just assume these results have no applicability to childhood circumcision has no basis. As I said, these studies are not definitive but provide evidence. On the subject of how applicable they are to childhood circumcision, I'd be interested in hearing the views of our physician Pitters, who actually know what they're talking about.welch wrote:Since you seem to have some interest in voices that aren't yours: the problem is, no one is bitching about adults getting circumcised. That's a non-issue. However, there are some problems:jugheadnaut wrote:For obvious reasons, it's necessary to use adult circumcision in studies that are looking for before/after trends. This study isn't definitive, but is a pretty solid piece of evidence. Delayed orgasm is more a discrete condition rather than a continuous one, such as if they asked about sensitivity, and this gives the survey participants answers on the subject more credence. And the numerical difference is pretty huge as well, so it's hard to believe something isn't going on.welch wrote:
It's also not about people circumcised as infants, but rather as adults. I would expect them to notice a difference. The question is, how much of it is actually measurable, and how much is what they "remember" it being.
Here are two additional studies that also showed an increase in delayed orgasm after adult circumcision.
http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/e ... 4.abstract
http://www.webmd.com/men/news/20040202/ ... erformance
I'd be interested to see a study that compared incidence of delayed orgasm in circumcised vs. intact population groups, but a quick search didn't reveal any.
...
welch wrote:You are beginning to see why this is a topic that goes in the same bin as abortion and gun control I think.Spike13 wrote:The fact that I don't have a problem with circumcision (as well as the fact stated that my sons had it done)pretty much implies that I do have an opinion.
You can't help but notice the ethical grounds often stated. I was merely suggesting that some people may have other motives as well.
pz just is not that creative. Also the page is folded into quarters.Mykeru wrote:Oh Jesus Christ, the Savior on a Stick, but Matt Cavanaugh's analysis of P.Z. Myers' underage girl fandom is truly a thing of train-wreck wonder:
PZ Myers and the Dream Girl
I know we keep saying "This is the moment P.Z. irrevocably goes off the deep end", but This is the moment P.Z. irrevocably goes off the deep end
That may have been true, but cursive is no longer a required course in school. The son of a woman I was dating had never learned to write in cursive. It is all printed letters & typing. So how loopy & flowing do you expect an average teen girl's writing to be if the average teen girl was never taught cursive in school?Mykeru wrote:So yeah, the “drop off†into sloppy is pronounced and really, teenage girl writing is hardly ever this cramped and angular.
Thing is, we’ve all seen teenage girls writing, which tends to be round and loopy and, for lack of a better word “precious†and this letter displays none of the hallmarks of the purported.
gender or age.
Aw, come on. Trophy Wife 2.0 is a special woman. Why you hatin'?SoylentAtheist wrote:pz just is not that creative. Also the page is folded into quarters.Mykeru wrote:Oh Jesus Christ, the Savior on a Stick, but Matt Cavanaugh's analysis of P.Z. Myers' underage girl fandom is truly a thing of train-wreck wonder:
PZ Myers and the Dream Girl
I know we keep saying "This is the moment P.Z. irrevocably goes off the deep end", but This is the moment P.Z. irrevocably goes off the deep end
I think anyone biting on this is going off the deep end with a tin foil hat.
That may have been true, but cursive is no longer a required course in school. The son of a woman I was dating had never learned to write in cursive. It is all printed letters & typing. So how loopy & flowing do you expect an average teen girl's writing to be if the average teen girl was never taught cursive in school?Mykeru wrote:So yeah, the “drop off†into sloppy is pronounced and really, teenage girl writing is hardly ever this cramped and angular.
Thing is, we’ve all seen teenage girls writing, which tends to be round and loopy and, for lack of a better word “precious†and this letter displays none of the hallmarks of the purported.
gender or age.
D&D type games tend to be more willing to have women as villains. Neverwinter Nights 1 had a couple of decent ones. Dragon Age 2 is another example. Throne of Bhaal.acathode wrote:About the female main character stuff... screw that. If you wanna make lists that are supposedly somewhat relevant to gender equality, I'll say this: Female villains is where it's at!
There are quite a few games featuring kickass heroins, but female villains? There's like:
http://i.imgur.com/EYnucXE.jpg?1
and then I dunno, the lame evil mastermind sorceress in Final Fantasy 8, and then what, you have to start scraping the barrel with AIs like GLaDOS and SHODAN?
Real equality will only be had when women are as allowed to be just as evil as the menz!!!! :D
When it comes to female villains, video games are doing a hell of a lot better than movies. Most movies only dare to have a female villain if they can design a backstory for her that makes all her badness the fault of TEH MENZ.acathode wrote:About the female main character stuff... screw that. If you wanna make lists that are supposedly somewhat relevant to gender equality, I'll say this: Female villains is where it's at!
There are quite a few games featuring kickass heroins, but female villains? There's like:
http://i.imgur.com/EYnucXE.jpg?1
and then I dunno, the lame evil mastermind sorceress in Final Fantasy 8, and then what, you have to start scraping the barrel with AIs like GLaDOS and SHODAN?
Real equality will only be had when women are as allowed to be just as evil as the menz!!!! :D
Resentment would be a natural and common reaction to being violated, then having large portions of society minimise, deny and mock your emotional state. Using that emotional state as a weapon, as you are doing, is a weak argument and generally low act.Spike13 wrote:I honestly wonder how much of this is grievance theatre and how much of it is resentment.
But to even attempt to get the ever elusive rad fem seal of approval you would need a female protagonist as well.James Caruthers wrote:When it comes to female villains, video games are doing a hell of a lot better than movies. Most movies only dare to have a female villain if they can design a backstory for her that makes all her badness the fault of TEH MENZ.acathode wrote:About the female main character stuff... screw that. If you wanna make lists that are supposedly somewhat relevant to gender equality, I'll say this: Female villains is where it's at!
There are quite a few games featuring kickass heroins, but female villains? There's like:
http://i.imgur.com/EYnucXE.jpg?1
and then I dunno, the lame evil mastermind sorceress in Final Fantasy 8, and then what, you have to start scraping the barrel with AIs like GLaDOS and SHODAN?
Real equality will only be had when women are as allowed to be just as evil as the menz!!!! :D
I did a quick search on forensic analysis of handwriting to see if there were simple signs to look for if a document was written by someone trying to fake their handwriting and came up with this:SoylentAtheist wrote:pz just is not that creative. Also the page is folded into quarters.Mykeru wrote:Oh Jesus Christ, the Savior on a Stick, but Matt Cavanaugh's analysis of P.Z. Myers' underage girl fandom is truly a thing of train-wreck wonder:
PZ Myers and the Dream Girl
I know we keep saying "This is the moment P.Z. irrevocably goes off the deep end", but This is the moment P.Z. irrevocably goes off the deep end
I think anyone biting on this is going off the deep end with a tin foil hat.
That may have been true, but cursive is no longer a required course in school. The son of a woman I was dating had never learned to write in cursive. It is all printed letters & typing. So how loopy & flowing do you expect an average teen girl's writing to be if the average teen girl was never taught cursive in school?Mykeru wrote:So yeah, the “drop off†into sloppy is pronounced and really, teenage girl writing is hardly ever this cramped and angular.
Thing is, we’ve all seen teenage girls writing, which tends to be round and loopy and, for lack of a better word “precious†and this letter displays none of the hallmarks of the purported.
gender or age.
Don't we see many of these in this document? Poor line control, becoming increasingly uneven? Check. Changing capital letters? Check. Different style toward the end of the document? Check.The most common clue of fraudulent handwriting is the poor line quality of the handwriting (it loses the smooth lines and becomes uneven). The most common methods of trying to disguise the handwriting are using the reverse slant of writing, changing capital letters or using the opposite hand. A good way to tell if a document is disguised is by looking toward the end of a document to see if the style remains the same. Try using the methods above to conceal your handwriting in a letter. You will see at the end that it gets harder to keep the same style of writing throughout.
WTF? Somebody defending themselves from a rape accusation doesn't have to testify? And often shouldn't? Weird fuckin' Florida law, huh?welch wrote:That would seem to be at odds with how things actually work. The burden of proof is really specifically on the plaintiff in such cases. the defendant doesn't even have to testify, (and often shouldn't.)Opyt wrote:So. I somehow managed to find a feminist law student. I brought up innocent until proven guilty, and she agreed that it was important. She then told me that the burden of proof for rape should not be on the survivor/victim. Full tweet here if interested.
Also, despite being flagged for some kind of blockbot listing by VitaBrevi for "dogpile", I don't seem to be listed on the blockbot. I guess I'm not on it after all. Yet.
I want it to be true. But wanting something to be true doesn't make it true. The interpretation presented is highly subjective & flimsy.Really? wrote:Aw, come on. Trophy Wife 2.0 is a special woman. Why you hatin'?
1) Nope.SoylentAtheist wrote: pz just is not that creative. Also the page is folded into quarters.
but cursive is no longer a required course in school.
I am not about to bite on this unless Matt or someone else here who has reviewed the document happens to be a professional forensic hand writing expert.jugheadnaut wrote:I did a quick search on forensic analysis of handwriting to see if there were simple signs to look for if a document was written by someone trying to fake their handwriting and came up with this:SoylentAtheist wrote:pz just is not that creative. Also the page is folded into quarters.Mykeru wrote:Oh Jesus Christ, the Savior on a Stick, but Matt Cavanaugh's analysis of P.Z. Myers' underage girl fandom is truly a thing of train-wreck wonder:
PZ Myers and the Dream Girl
I know we keep saying "This is the moment P.Z. irrevocably goes off the deep end", but This is the moment P.Z. irrevocably goes off the deep end
I think anyone biting on this is going off the deep end with a tin foil hat.
That may have been true, but cursive is no longer a required course in school. The son of a woman I was dating had never learned to write in cursive. It is all printed letters & typing. So how loopy & flowing do you expect an average teen girl's writing to be if the average teen girl was never taught cursive in school?Mykeru wrote:So yeah, the “drop off†into sloppy is pronounced and really, teenage girl writing is hardly ever this cramped and angular.
Thing is, we’ve all seen teenage girls writing, which tends to be round and loopy and, for lack of a better word “precious†and this letter displays none of the hallmarks of the purported.
gender or age.
http://www.museevirtuel-virtualmuseum.c ... rgery.html
It's from a web site that gives an introduction to various forensic techniques and appears credible. Here's the salient content:
Don't we see many of these in this document? Poor line control, becoming increasingly uneven? Check. Changing capital letters? Check. Different style toward the end of the document? Check.The most common clue of fraudulent handwriting is the poor line quality of the handwriting (it loses the smooth lines and becomes uneven). The most common methods of trying to disguise the handwriting are using the reverse slant of writing, changing capital letters or using the opposite hand. A good way to tell if a document is disguised is by looking toward the end of a document to see if the style remains the same. Try using the methods above to conceal your handwriting in a letter. You will see at the end that it gets harder to keep the same style of writing throughout.
Frankly, I was skeptical about whether this was a forgery but now I think there's a good chance there's something to it.
My forensic handwriting experts are Mr. Dunning and Mr. Kruger. ;)SoylentAtheist wrote:I am not about to bite on this unless Matt or someone else here who has reviewed the document happens to be a professional forensic hand writing expert.jugheadnaut wrote: I did a quick search on forensic analysis of handwriting to see if there were simple signs to look for if a document was written by someone trying to fake their handwriting and came up with this:
http://www.museevirtuel-virtualmuseum.c ... rgery.html
It's from a web site that gives an introduction to various forensic techniques and appears credible. Here's the salient content:
Don't we see many of these in this document? Poor line control, becoming increasingly uneven? Check. Changing capital letters? Check. Different style toward the end of the document? Check.The most common clue of fraudulent handwriting is the poor line quality of the handwriting (it loses the smooth lines and becomes uneven). The most common methods of trying to disguise the handwriting are using the reverse slant of writing, changing capital letters or using the opposite hand. A good way to tell if a document is disguised is by looking toward the end of a document to see if the style remains the same. Try using the methods above to conceal your handwriting in a letter. You will see at the end that it gets harder to keep the same style of writing throughout.
Frankly, I was skeptical about whether this was a forgery but now I think there's a good chance there's something to it.
Not just Florida. Apparently US & Canada.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:WTF? Somebody defending themselves from a rape accusation doesn't have to testify? And often shouldn't? Weird fuckin' Florida law, huh?
:whistle:ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Paging Ape+Lust!!!!Matt Cavanaugh wrote:I'm worried the next Jehovah's Witness to ring the Myers'' doorbell might just get shanked...Mykeru wrote:Oh Jesus Christ, the Savior on a Stick, but Matt Cavanaugh's analysis of P.Z. Myers' underage girl fandom is truly a thing of train-wreck wonder:
PZ Myers and the Dream Girl
I know we keep saying "This is the moment P.Z. irrevocably goes off the deep end", but This is the moment P.Z. irrevocably goes off the deep end
... by Peezus dressed as a midwestern farm girl.
I'm pretty sure that that applies to the accuser, not the defendant. It's to prevent trauma and stress to the victim, not the person defending themselves against the allegation(s). The defendant being the one accused.Opyt wrote:Not just Florida. Apparently US & Canada.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:WTF? Somebody defending themselves from a rape accusation doesn't have to testify? And often shouldn't? Weird fuckin' Florida law, huh?
