Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

[Eskarina]

Back from the mountains, lots of catching up to do, here and at Michael's blog. See you all around 2023!

Uh oh, Phil's home early.

Quick, let's hide all the mess.

Hi Phil, has it been a nice weekend? :)

[James Caruthers]

I'll take your word for it. Not because I understand you, but rather because you sent me a very gracious PM and I trust you.

It does not however change my stance towards Brive one iota. He made his bed with his own words and stands, in my eyes, condemned by them.

Honestly, it's like I'm reading the A+ forum. Someone says "maybe the MRA have a point about domestic violence" and the response is "so you believe all women should be raped? FUCK YOU INTO THE GROUND."

And then the first poster is forever known as the guy who wanted all women to be raped.

[Guest]

Surly Amy actually said this.

Surly fucking Amy.

Vacula. Fucking print that out in gold, frame it and put it on display.

http://i.imgur.com/4nJLGxM.png

[another lurker]

I'll take your word for it. Not because I understand you, but rather because you sent me a very gracious PM and I trust you.

It does not however change my stance towards Brive one iota. He made his bed with his own words and stands, in my eyes, condemned by them.

Honestly, it's like I'm reading the A+ forum. Someone says "maybe the MRA have a point about domestic violence" and the response is "so you believe all women should be raped? FUCK YOU INTO THE GROUND."

And then the first poster is forever known as the guy who wanted all women to be raped.

Srsly. The drama levels here have been at +9,000.

[bhoytony]

Mykeru on twitter is much more entertaining than he ever was on here. Just be careful not to get hit by a flying teddy bear or something though.

[James Caruthers]

I hope you're not mixing up my dislike of the purchasing an ad in that Morris newspaper idea, with the idea of contacting companies that advertise on the ftb site. I like the latter idea. And the only thing I didn't like about the former was that it might be signed from the Pit as a whole. So the same goes for both ideas. If individuals contact the companies whose ads appear on ftb, rather than send them letters from the pit as a whole, I have no problem with it.

That way, if it's not signed from the Pit as a whole, everyone can do what they want to do, and not have to participate in the stuff they don't want to do.

Personally, I think the newspaper ad would be childish and its audience would only be people who have nothing to do with these debates. I would feel ridiculous doing it, so that's one I wouldn't want to join in on. On the other hand, I like the idea of contacting ftb advertisers, informing them that they are advertising 'whatever' on a site that is stridently against 'whatever', including links, etc, and then asking them how they feel about the issue of 'whatever'. The advertisers deserve to know what sort of sites their ads are being placed on by the various ad companies. The advertisers are not an outside audience for these discussions, since their ads are already appearing on ftb. So, that's one idea I would like and would feel fine about doing myself, yet I still wouldn't like it to be signed by everyone here as a group.

I wasn't too clear above. By 'whatever', I meant things along the lines of how ftb freak out at what they call objectification and/or sexualization of women, yet many of their ads I've seen had things like glamour models, etc. Why would a company want to advertise at a place who thinks they are sexual criminals?

But I also like the idea of letting them know that they are advertising at a site that is doing false accusations, doxxing, etc.

Oh no, I didn't think you were opposed to the contacting advertisers. You've made your position clear in its nuance and I do respect it, even though I didn't say so. Not everyone will have the same opinion on this subject, and I appreciate yours. I understand why some would find newspaper ads childish, although I would like to see evidence from those who claim the newspaper is racist. I wouldn't be willing to take the word of PZ on that one, and "conservative" doesn't automagically equal "racist" in my mind, even though I am probably more liberal than not.

The question of effectiveness has been raised by others with regard to contacting advertisers. It's true that atheists don't have the unified resistance of gamergate. But neither did gamergate at first. We can't know how effective the tactics will be until we start trying different things, imo.

I really do feel like this "signed from the pit" is pure fantasy invented by those who are against taking any action not involving photoshops and snarky comments. I haven't heard anyone seriously suggest "signed: the Pit," although again, perhaps this goes to some singular post of Brive's that hasn't been formally agreed upon (such as the earlier claim that anyone who supported doing anything was a de facto doxxer, and the evidence was a single post of Brive's which wasn't mutually agreed-upon by those generally in the "do something" camp.)

[deLurch]

PZ Myers apparently likes this "comic" a lot.

http://i.imgur.com/NuEkTQl.png
http://web.archive.org/web/201410120807 ... -question/

It's all fun and games until someone gets girlcock in zir eye.

I'm guessing that's a fantasy on the part of the writer/illustrator. That black-haired dude could do WAY better.

He did, until the author decided that it way too comfortable for him to be shacked up with Dora, owner if The Coffee of Doom. A lot of previously good webcomics have gone to hell after the authors have drunk the PoMo Third Wave KoolAid of Doom (qv Sinfest).

Yeah, this doesn't look like the author's fantasy.
http://www.patreon.com/jephjacques

2,808 strips in and you will still be looking for material to keep it fresh and pass on surprises to the audience. I see nothing wrong with this, or do I find that & the preceding 10 strips evidence of the pomo shitfest sinfest has gone down.

[Tony Parsehole]

http://questionablecontent.net/cast.php

Pintsize
Marten's sociopathic robot buddy. Obsessed with butts. Dangerously obsessed with butts.

Hannelore Ellicott-Chatham
Obsessive-compulsive, neurotic, anxiety-ridden, surprisingly adorable. Billionaire parents Grew up on a space station. Likes kitties.

PT410X
Linux-based AnthroPC. It's a heat sink, not a neckbeard

:bjarte:

[Eskarina]

I really do feel like this "signed from the pit" is pure fantasy invented by those who are against taking any action not involving photoshops and snarky comments. I haven't heard anyone seriously suggest "signed: the Pit," although again, perhaps this goes to some singular post of Brive's that hasn't been formally agreed upon (such as the earlier claim that anyone who supported doing anything was a de facto doxxer, and the evidence was a single post of Brive's which wasn't mutually agreed-upon by those generally in the "do something" camp.)

Funny, I got the exact opposite impression. Those who were in favour of acting never got anything done, but they sure as hell wasted a lot of energy arguing their "detractors" endlessly.

Again, I ask, who's stopping them? They won't get universal approval here and asking our FT, should they involve the 'pit, should be a given, but other than that, just go ahead.

[Guest]

http://i.imgur.com/gzkHwip.png

http://i.imgur.com/X6qBGob.png

http://i.imgur.com/MQajkdl.png

[James Caruthers]

http://questionablecontent.net/cast.php

Pintsize
Marten's sociopathic robot buddy. Obsessed with butts. Dangerously obsessed with butts.

Hannelore Ellicott-Chatham
Obsessive-compulsive, neurotic, anxiety-ridden, surprisingly adorable. Billionaire parents Grew up on a space station. Likes kitties.

PT410X
Linux-based AnthroPC. It's a heat sink, not a neckbeard

:bjarte:

We've hit the hipster singularity.

http://static.squarespace.com/static/53 ... 225869565/

[justinvacula]

I haven't been posting much, but here goes...

Well, well, well...unsurprisingly the hypocrisy and low ethical standards of #FTbullies continues with Surly Amy and company bullshitting. It's interesting, of course, that people have brought up 'addressgate' - when I shared Amy's address here following the DMCA she filed against me in response to allegations that I filed a counter-DMCA to obtain her personal, private information. I noted that the address was public, listed in a trademark registry (and it's still there, by the way - Amy has done nothing to remove it), to dispel the myth spread by FTB commenters/supporters that I was trying to get private information/the information was private. Indeed, I could have just noted that the information was public and not linked it...but I made an error and later had requested the information be removed from the Pit.

But, of course, Amy really doesn't care about her address being public (unless she's just spectacularly incompetent - not realizing/caring that sharing her own address exposes more people to it) because soon after I posted it she tweeted her own address -- linking the original post in the Slymepit (uncensored) with her address -- and drew more attention to the fact that her address was public by continuing to mention the fact that it is public.

[amy shares own address on twitter - http://elevatorgate.files.wordpress.com ... .jpg?w=590 - http://elevatorgate.files.wordpress.com ... .jpg?w=590]

More recently, at the 'Woman's Room Online' art gallery (in which I was pictured/included at least five times) Amy included an uncensored screenshot of her address from elevatorgate.wordpress.com - making it even more public and in an environment in which photographs were taken and encouraged. The gallery was not only limited to IRL consumption, but would also, according to the below linked sign, would be shared online!

The notice from the gallery about photography:
http://i.imgur.com/22LpbDd.jpg

A censored picture of Amy posting her own address her own art gallery - I censored it, not her:
http://i.imgur.com/0R6cmGx.png

So...some of the #FTBullies are defending the linking of Skep's information because it was already public/easily found online. Ok, then, so why condemn me for posting Amy's address but defend PZ who, by the way, mentioned contacting of employer. Other too -- perhaps PZ included -- made allegations that Skep violated medical ethics. Some have said that my linking of Amy's info was encouraging harassment, but of course nothing happened and there was no real threat. Amy, too, as I mentioned, has seemingly made no effort to remove her address from the trademark website and posted it herself at least two times.

But as the FTBullies credo goes 'it's only ok when we do it'

More hypocrisy from Amy:

http://i.imgur.com/aHgD80v.jpg

Amy has outed herself publicly - she linked her business information with her personal address and information is easily found...not to mention tweeting her own address and including it in the art gallery. So...by her logic people sharing her information NOW should not be condemned...and if she is willing to out herself there should have been no problem sharing the information, already publicly available due to her making it publicly available, in the first place.

[Gumby]

OK you bastards.

Please explain which bit of this unofficial non approved not Slymepit policy Brive only document makes you cry.

[.img]http://i.imgur.com/QIGWkB2.jpg[/img]

Shorter Brive: You doxxed one of us. We possess the information to dox one or more of you. You are trusting us to follow our rules and not dox you, aren't you? AREN'T YOU?!?!?!?!!1!?

You are not nearly as clever as you think you are. It is nothing more than trying to get a veiled threat to pass muster at the 'Pit when you proposal for a more direct threat went over like a lead balloon.

Listen, we get it. You sword has been unsheathed and it can't be put away until it tastes blood. You are free to exercise your own conscience. But, please stop trying to get the rest of us to put our imprimatur on it. It is getting tiresome. Maybe you can figure out where Mykeru is having his sulk and join him. You can tell each other how the proles just don't understand your genius and command of strategery.

Fuckin-A right.

A lot of the bullshit flying around here reminds me of when Richard Carrier descended into a shrieking mess in the comment section of his first post on Atheism Plus.

Commenter:
"I’ll stick with the original atheism, thanks."

Carrier:
"So, one vote for douchery. Got it."

Absolutely fucking moronic.

[Guest]

Whooa....that Questionable Webcomic depicts cuddle rape!

Look! The redhead is NOT drinking at the party. The dude IS drinking. Which is why they end up hugging and kissing in the first place.

How fucking hypocritical!

http://questionablecontent.net/comics/2800.png

The author is unclear as to what they do physically.

http://questionablecontent.net/comics/2801.png

AND she's his employee or something:

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2796

no she was ok with it so his actions are faultless

just like if watson had been keen on elevator guy there would have been no complaints with any of his actions even though they were exactly the same, and she would instead be polyandrist

intent is magic

[justinvacula]

In other news, NEPA Blogcon -- a conference in Northeastern Pennsylvania focused on blogging and technology -- was a big success. Karla Porter, one of the co-organizers, appeared in media today announcing that the conference had 56% women in attendance.

http://timesleader.com/news/news/50477582/

There was no Ada Initiative. There was no 'women are under siege in technology!' There was no 'an angry sea of white men have declared war on us.' There were no ridiculous anti-harassment policies (in fact, NEPA Blogcon informed attendees that since the event was at a college they would be bound by the college policies). There were no security guards watching the presentation room and hallway (like was the case at WIScfi2).

I saw that Ophelia is still lamenting the fact that I attended WIScfi2 and EWTS - claiming that I was following her. She was also expressing anger with Damion for hosting the WIScfi2 fundraiser. The horror of me in an audience! The horror!

http://i.imgur.com/pgH3Mru.jpg
Photo: Brent Pennington Photography

[bhoytony]

OK you bastards.

Please explain which bit of this unofficial non approved not Slymepit policy Brive only document makes you cry.

[.img]http://i.imgur.com/QIGWkB2.jpg[/img]

Shorter Brive: You doxxed one of us. We possess the information to dox one or more of you. You are trusting us to follow our rules and not dox you, aren't you? AREN'T YOU?!?!?!?!!1!?

You are not nearly as clever as you think you are. It is nothing more than trying to get a veiled threat to pass muster at the 'Pit when you proposal for a more direct threat went over like a lead balloon.

Listen, we get it. You sword has been unsheathed and it can't be put away until it tastes blood. You are free to exercise your own conscience. But, please stop trying to get the rest of us to put our imprimatur on it. It is getting tiresome. Maybe you can figure out where Mykeru is having his sulk and join him. You can tell each other how the proles just don't understand your genius and command of strategery.

Fuckin-A right.

A lot of the bullshit flying around here reminds me of when Richard Carrier descended into a shrieking mess in the comment section of his first post on Atheism Plus.

Commenter:
"I’ll stick with the original atheism, thanks."

Carrier:
"So, one vote for douchery. Got it."

Absolutely fucking moronic.

Hey, come on. When you're not obsessing 24/7 about Radford/Stollznow a fellow has to find something to fill the long lonely hours

[Really?]

Whooa....that Questionable Webcomic depicts cuddle rape!

Look! The redhead is NOT drinking at the party. The dude IS drinking. Which is why they end up hugging and kissing in the first place.

How fucking hypocritical!

http://questionablecontent.net/comics/2800.png

The author is unclear as to what they do physically.

http://questionablecontent.net/comics/2801.png

AND she's his employee or something:

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2796

no she was ok with it so his actions are faultless

just like if watson had been keen on elevator guy there would have been no complaints with any of his actions even though they were exactly the same, and she would instead be polyandrist

intent is magic

It didn't occur to you, not even for a moment, that SHE (sober, in complete control) was raping HIM? (Had more than one sip of alcohol and is therefore incapable of granting consent.)

[Guest]

Whooa....that Questionable Webcomic depicts cuddle rape!

Look! The redhead is NOT drinking at the party. The dude IS drinking. Which is why they end up hugging and kissing in the first place.

How fucking hypocritical!

http://questionablecontent.net/comics/2800.png

The author is unclear as to what they do physically.

http://questionablecontent.net/comics/2801.png

AND she's his employee or something:

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2796

no she was ok with it so his actions are faultless

just like if watson had been keen on elevator guy there would have been no complaints with any of his actions even though they were exactly the same, and she would instead be polyandrist

intent is magic

It didn't occur to you, not even for a moment, that SHE (sober, in complete control) was raping HIM? (Had more than one sip of alcohol and is therefore incapable of granting consent.)

of course not because men cannot be raped

and they super cannot be raped by a woman

[another lurker]

But men can be raped because men really are women and Jacques hot chili pepper is just a social construct!!!!

[windy]

Meanwhile in Finland: officials are trying to ban bloggers from mentioning whiskey due to new laws against alcohol advertising.

http://thriftyfinn.wordpress.com/2014/1 ... f-finland/

Aluehallintavirasto, short AVI (The Regional Government Authority), banned two Finnish bloggers from writing about whiskey if it’s connected to the upcoming Beer & Whiskey Expo. Also the organizers of the expo had to drop the word whiskey from the expo name.

Now the expo, organized under the new name Olutexpo Finland (Beerexpo Finland) got their license from AVI on the condition that no links from Google comes to their site with the search word “whisky”, tells the organizer Mikki Nyman.

:bjarte:

[katamari Damassi]

21 guests? Wow! Hello guests! Don't be shy.

[BlueShiftRhino]

I had a 4.5 hour drive each way yesterday, which is lots of time to think. (Sorry to have missed the "eating our own" party.)

I believe that "doxxing" really does have two elements: there is the bit about finding out who is behind a nym and there is the bit about using that information to create real-world consequences for on-line behavior. Each element has varying levels of "badness." In the first case, it can vary from just reminding folks that a person has already admitted, maybe elsewhere, who they are (which isn't that bad) ... to digging through and using sign-up data that was promised to be private, a la Xanthe (which is evil and, in some places, criminal). A lot of the bullshit being posted by PZ and Amy Roth seems to miss this point. From what I can tell, Skep did not ever "doxx herself." Maybe she was careless, but she never purposefully linked her real self to the nym. So the previous doxxing of Skep was bad and any subsequent use of it is also, therefore, bad.

But it's the second element of doxxing that I spent more time thinking about. Assume, for the moment, that you had good evidence that a specific person had committed a crime. To whom do you report this? Clearly not the internet at large, but I would also argue that it is not the employer, either, unless the crime was against the employer. You should tell the appropriate LEA. Same goes for an ethical breach. If this wasn't against the employer (because it didn't have anything directly to do with the employer and it wasn't the employer's ethical rules that were allegedly broken), then you shouldn't tell the employer. Instead, you would inform the guild or organization that set the ethical rules that were supposedly broken. Why? Partly because of the effects on unfounded accusations. The guild will filter these out without there being an consequences for the accused, which there shouldn't be. Just like an LEA in the case of a crime, if the accusation proves unfounded, the falsely accused is (somewhat) protected.

I bring this all up because, even in its revised and gentler form, what Brive is half-assed suggesting is still, IMO, wrong. If PZ honestly believed that what Skep did was unethical, then he would have been justified in reported the incident to the AMA. (They would have laughed at him, rightfully, and that would be the end of it.) If folks here believe that they have evidence that, say, Oggie committed a crime, then they should report it to some LEA. (They will probably also laugh, rightfully, and that will be the end of it.)

When you knowingly report to the wrong person, group, agency, or organization, you compound the problem and commit a wrong of your own. Second-step doxxing by contacting an employer when the employer has nothing directly to do with what you're reporting is bad. Maybe not genital-mutilation bad, dear muslimas, but still wrong ... and I think that everyone here, including Brive and Sinister, know this. And having the question of whether person O's crime is reported depend on the behavior of person PZ or RW is equally wrong. If O committed a crime, then report it to an LEA. When you try to enforce good behavior by threats against third persons, you are playing judge and jury, just like an SJW.

Now get me my Mykeru back.

[Nec_V20]

That was obvious sarcasm.

On whose part? Mine or his?

[free thoughtpolice]

In other news, NEPA Blogcon -- a conference in Northeastern Pennsylvania focused on blogging and technology -- was a big success. Karla Porter, one of the co-organizers, appeared in media today announcing that the conference had 56% women in attendance.

http://timesleader.com/news/news/50477582/

There was no Ada Initiative. There was no 'women are under siege in technology!' There was no 'an angry sea of white men have declared war on us.' There were no ridiculous anti-harassment policies (in fact, NEPA Blogcon informed attendees that since the event was at a college they would be bound by the college policies). There were no security guards watching the presentation room and hallway (like was the case at WIScfi2).

I saw that Ophelia is still lamenting the fact that I attended WIScfi2 and EWTS - claiming that I was following her. She was also expressing anger with Damion for hosting the WIScfi2 fundraiser. The horror of me in an audience! The horror!

http://i.imgur.com/pgH3Mru.jpg
Photo: Brent Pennington Photography

Fess up Dracula! It's pretty clear to any neutral observer that you're sitting there making plans to harass a womyn. :naughty:

[mikelf]

Shorter Brive: You doxxed one of us. We possess the information to dox one or more of you. You are trusting us to follow our rules and not dox you, aren't you? AREN'T YOU?!?!?!?!!1!?

You are not nearly as clever as you think you are. It is nothing more than trying to get a veiled threat to pass muster at the 'Pit when you proposal for a more direct threat went over like a lead balloon.

Listen, we get it. You sword has been unsheathed and it can't be put away until it tastes blood. You are free to exercise your own conscience. But, please stop trying to get the rest of us to put our imprimatur on it. It is getting tiresome. Maybe you can figure out where Mykeru is having his sulk and join him. You can tell each other how the proles just don't understand your genius and command of strategery.

If he wants to lobby the forum for whatever cause or even if he wants to beat a dead horse, who are you to tell him to stop on behalf of "the rest of us"? If you personally don't want to join in then don't join in. Feel free to scroll right on by if you aren't interested or if you find the discussion tiresome. Make use of the ignore list if you must. Argue and make counter-points if you feel inclined.

But if you feel the need to tell people to stop posting things with which you personally don't agree, kindly refrain from pretending that you are doing so on behalf of anyone but yourself.

Thank you for telling me what I am and am not allowed to say.

Ignoring for a moment that I was speaking colloquially, let me state that that there are a decent number of Pitizens that I will gladly take a reprimand from. Given your recent history, you aren't one of them.

[windy]

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8342832128/h2E7DC1B5/

Checkmate, athetits!

[NoGodsEver]

Does anyone know, is Jerry Coyne gay? No straight guy would be that into cats, right?

[free thoughtpolice]

Do these morons inhabit a different universe where alternate history occurs? Comments from the Cowntess' latest hit piece:

Donnie says

October 11, 2014 at 11:07 pm

Remember when the Slymepit decried the false rape allegation against Avicenna?????

Xanthë says

October 12, 2014 at 2:26 am

Perhaps this is the point Donnie, but I don’t remember the decrying – I only recall the allegation being made, whereas I don’t have any memory of it being retracted or apologised for.

[fuzzy]

Part of the recent brouhaha grows out of the usual POMO word definitions, in this case 'doxx' which seems to mean different things to different people and/or different context. It's almost as if FtB is saying that if you can be doxxed with information that can be gotten, then that is not doxxing. Then when someone suuggests holding up a mirror "well if that's so then people could do that to you too...", that person is vilified as weilding an insatiable sword seeking the dripping blood of the enemy.

[Cliché Guevara]

Shorter Brive: You doxxed one of us. We possess the information to dox one or more of you. You are trusting us to follow our rules and not dox you, aren't you? AREN'T YOU?!?!?!?!!1!?

That's pretty much the impression I came away with.

Leaving aside the general disagreement with MAD...whom is it we're supposed to be holding information on anyway? Some sad sack motherfucker whose life is so unbearably pointless and empty he has to fabricate recovered memories about raping and being raped just to get neurotic sympathy from a bunch of other equally pathetic and damaged shut-ins? Some deranged shapeshifting Native American wererat? Is that seriously the idea, to skulk around digging up dirt on the most obnoxious horde members? I agree with the earlier sentiment -- they'd be just as happy to have new martyrs to wail and rend garments over.

[Rekt]

21 guests? Wow! Hello guests! Don't be shy.

I've not been here since Matt Dillahunty got banned from the A+ forums, but the gg stuff caught my attention. What happened to A+ in the last couple years? Hugely out the loop...

[CuntajusRationality]

Shorter Brive: You doxxed one of us. We possess the information to dox one or more of you. You are trusting us to follow our rules and not dox you, aren't you? AREN'T YOU?!?!?!?!!1!?

You are not nearly as clever as you think you are. It is nothing more than trying to get a veiled threat to pass muster at the 'Pit when you proposal for a more direct threat went over like a lead balloon.

Listen, we get it. You sword has been unsheathed and it can't be put away until it tastes blood. You are free to exercise your own conscience. But, please stop trying to get the rest of us to put our imprimatur on it. It is getting tiresome. Maybe you can figure out where Mykeru is having his sulk and join him. You can tell each other how the proles just don't understand your genius and command of strategery.

If he wants to lobby the forum for whatever cause or even if he wants to beat a dead horse, who are you to tell him to stop on behalf of "the rest of us"? If you personally don't want to join in then don't join in. Feel free to scroll right on by if you aren't interested or if you find the discussion tiresome. Make use of the ignore list if you must. Argue and make counter-points if you feel inclined.

But if you feel the need to tell people to stop posting things with which you personally don't agree, kindly refrain from pretending that you are doing so on behalf of anyone but yourself.

Thank you for telling me what I am and am not allowed to say.

Ignoring for a moment that I was speaking colloquially, let me state that that there are a decent number of Pitizens that I will gladly take a reprimand from. Given your recent history, you aren't one of them.

Fuck off with your sanctimonious bullshit. I didn't say you aren't allowed to say whatever you want, I just said to stop pretending you're speaking for anyone else when you say it.

[fuzzy]

"Who will help me EAT the corn?" asked the little red Mykeru.

[Guest]

21 guests? Wow! Hello guests! Don't be shy.

http://i.imgur.com/SqNOA43.png

[screwtape]

Here is the OFFICIAL pit doxxing manifesto.

Don't doxx here. If you do you will be banned.

End of story. Does everyone understand this, or should I try to simplify it?

Understood. Crystal clear. You obviously hate freedom in general and the first amendment in particular.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Nz5TLCi3lrU/U ... yranny.jpg

AHA! Thank you—I now understand the concept of "freeze peach". Eternally grateful, etc, I remain....

[screwtape]

Does anyone know, is Jerry Coyne gay? No straight guy would be that into cats, right?

Curious question. Not sure why I would ever consider the possibility, or care. I'm a bit more worried about why and how someone should be that interested in truly uncomfortable footwear.

[Sulman]

21 guests? Wow! Hello guests! Don't be shy.

http://i.imgur.com/SqNOA43.png

Katamari 'initiates' every new member with his magic bumfinger.

You may be excused with a doctor's note, or ask your doctor to recommend 'bumfistorol' which Katamari is also qualified to dispense.

[windy]

Part of the recent brouhaha grows out of the usual POMO word definitions, in this case 'doxx' which seems to mean different things to different people and/or different context. It's almost as if FtB is saying that if you can be doxxed with information that can be gotten, then that is not doxxing. Then when someone suuggests holding up a mirror "well if that's so then people could do that to you too...", that person is vilified as weilding an insatiable sword seeking the dripping blood of the enemy.

We already know they decry it if it happens to one of them. There's plenty of material to choose from to hold up a mirror to them using their own words, so I'm not sure what Brive's scheme was supposed to contribute to that.

[dog puke]

Does anyone know, is Jerry Coyne gay? No straight guy would be that into cats, right?

There are no gay people - gayness is just a feline construct.

[dog puke]

Does anyone know, is Jerry Coyne gay? No straight guy would be that into cats, right?

There are no gay people - gayness is just a feline construct.

[Scented Nectar]

I hope you're not mixing up my dislike of the purchasing an ad in that Morris newspaper idea, with the idea of contacting companies that advertise on the ftb site. I like the latter idea. And the only thing I didn't like about the former was that it might be signed from the Pit as a whole. So the same goes for both ideas. If individuals contact the companies whose ads appear on ftb, rather than send them letters from the pit as a whole, I have no problem with it.

That way, if it's not signed from the Pit as a whole, everyone can do what they want to do, and not have to participate in the stuff they don't want to do.

Personally, I think the newspaper ad would be childish and its audience would only be people who have nothing to do with these debates. I would feel ridiculous doing it, so that's one I wouldn't want to join in on. On the other hand, I like the idea of contacting ftb advertisers, informing them that they are advertising 'whatever' on a site that is stridently against 'whatever', including links, etc, and then asking them how they feel about the issue of 'whatever'. The advertisers deserve to know what sort of sites their ads are being placed on by the various ad companies. The advertisers are not an outside audience for these discussions, since their ads are already appearing on ftb. So, that's one idea I would like and would feel fine about doing myself, yet I still wouldn't like it to be signed by everyone here as a group.

I wasn't too clear above. By 'whatever', I meant things along the lines of how ftb freak out at what they call objectification and/or sexualization of women, yet many of their ads I've seen had things like glamour models, etc. Why would a company want to advertise at a place who thinks they are sexual criminals?

But I also like the idea of letting them know that they are advertising at a site that is doing false accusations, doxxing, etc.

Oh no, I didn't think you were opposed to the contacting advertisers. You've made your position clear in its nuance and I do respect it, even though I didn't say so. Not everyone will have the same opinion on this subject, and I appreciate yours. I understand why some would find newspaper ads childish, although I would like to see evidence from those who claim the newspaper is racist. I wouldn't be willing to take the word of PZ on that one, and "conservative" doesn't automagically equal "racist" in my mind, even though I am probably more liberal than not.

The question of effectiveness has been raised by others with regard to contacting advertisers. It's true that atheists don't have the unified resistance of gamergate. But neither did gamergate at first. We can't know how effective the tactics will be until we start trying different things, imo.

I really do feel like this "signed from the pit" is pure fantasy invented by those who are against taking any action not involving photoshops and snarky comments. I haven't heard anyone seriously suggest "signed: the Pit," although again, perhaps this goes to some singular post of Brive's that hasn't been formally agreed upon (such as the earlier claim that anyone who supported doing anything was a de facto doxxer, and the evidence was a single post of Brive's which wasn't mutually agreed-upon by those generally in the "do something" camp.)

I don't remember the original wording, but it was suggested rather than decided for sure. I didn't like the idea and went on to rant about it for a while. :)

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

Here's a really stupid idea-if you don't like somebody's idea, attack the idea, not the person. I know, where's the fun in that? Why not show the world how clever you are and show your opponent to be unfit for the pit? Why spend time on the baboons when we can consume each other?

Carry on.

[Jan Steen]

Nerd of Redhead, always good for a laugh.

http://i.imgur.com/I2ewQ6s.jpg

Only Nerd needs evidence for statements that are common knowledge. For his education I will just mention one example: the Theory of Evolution. Quite a few respected contemporary scientists dismissed it, thought it was incompatible with what was understood. If you really were a 'serious scientist' you would know that. But you are as much a serious scientist as Peezus the Doxxer.

[Tapir]

Nerd really did say...

I, and other serious scientists...

:bjarte:

[Jan Steen]

http://i.imgur.com/mpxfL5X.jpg

[blitzem]

http://i.imgur.com/mpxfL5X.jpg

Is that Big Red in the red jacket over Vacula's left shoulder?

[JackSkeptic]

Nerd really did say...

I, and other serious scientists...

:bjarte:

He is so wonderfully entertaining, I would miss him if he left FtB. He is also wrong but that is just a bonus.

As to that Avi pit rape allegation thing, it was Oolon who told a lie and it was further added to by Avi. As usual with Avi, he ignored all evidence correcting him (Avi, that is one reason I consider you a fantasist as you keep doing this) Nothing to do with the Pit. But in the Alice in Wonderland universe FtB live in the truth is whatever they decide on the day. After all, the truth is a social construct and feelings decide reality. Facts are the tool of the Patriarchy.

[dog puke]

http://i.imgur.com/AYTaaNL.jpg

Is that Big Red in the red jacket over Vacula's left shoulder?

I don't think so, but you never can tell who might show up at these things.

[bovarchist]

Do we really have to add "gate" after every scandal.

Watergate was in 1974.... That was forty frickin' years ago.

Enough already.

Suppose we replace the 'gate' suffix with 'gula'? As a respectful nod to our favorite source of hysterical scandals?

Hmmmnnnn....'Elevatorgula'. 'Gamergula'. 'Skepticklegula'.

Nope, doesn't work. Sorry Spike, but some things just plant themselves deep in the language and can't be extracted. 'Gate' is good. 'Gate' works.

[bovarchist]

It’s been this way since I was in high school.

Our football coach was a psychopath.

He took pride in his collection of paddle boards; every session of our gym class was accompanied by someone, or multiple someones, getting hacked for trivial infringements of his rules: you forgot your jock strap. You weren’t lined up with everyone right at the instant the bell rang. You came in last when running laps. If he was feeling punitive, the last ten kids would get wacked.

He was the football coach. He got away with it. Grading gym was easy, too: if you were varsity on one of the teams, you got an A; JV, a B; everyone else, a C.

Members of the football team were his favorites. He loved to set up games of dodgeball, where one side was the football squad, and everyone else was on the other. It was always that way — we’d have a day of basketball, and the teams were the football players vs. the “pussies”.

That’s how I got out of gym for one full year: playing basketball against the football assholes, and when I started scoring well (probably because as the unathletic guy on the other team, they kept ignoring me), one of them decided to take me out…by tackling me at the knees. In basketball. Completely wrecked my left knee, got to spend 6 months in a hip-to-ankle cast. The guy didn’t even get a rebuke.

We didn’t have any incidents of sexual violence, at least. The closest we came was that he liked to stroll around the showers and ask the football players about their sexual activities — details about the girls at school were always welcome.

Fucking pervert and violent psychopath. I still seethe when I think of that jerk. He got his comeuppance, though: his son was a star quarterback in high school, and when he moved up to the University of Washington, his dad got promoted to a coaching position on that team. I think he also got another bump upwards when his son went pro. It’s a sport that really rewards the worst human beings.

Why, this one time he posted my home address and phone number on the school bulletin board and encouraged all the football jocks to harass me!

Bolded for emphasis. What a psycho!

[bhoytony]

Fucking FtB pop-ups!

http://i.imgur.com/h0oJGFu.jpg



P.S. That's a real ad, I didn't shop it.

[JacquesCuze]

Do we really have to add "gate" after every scandal.

Watergate was in 1974.... That was forty frickin' years ago.

Enough already.

Suppose we replace the 'gate' suffix with 'gula'? As a respectful nod to our favorite source of hysterical scandals?

Hmmmnnnn....'Elevatorgula'. 'Gamergula'. 'Skepticklegula'.

Nope, doesn't work. Sorry Spike, but some things just plant themselves deep in the language and can't be extracted. 'Gate' is good. 'Gate' works.

It's been suggested that the new -gate is -ghazi, but I dunno. Water-gate removed a President, changed journalism, changed American institutions, fucking changed the planet. It was the shits.

Should the next World War go back to being WWI because centuries?

Yes, I am still upset over Star Trek.

(It very well could be Big Red, looks very much like Big Red, but I get the impression she's a Jezebel/Tumblr feminist and not a conference goer, nudge nudge wink wink if you know what I mean.)

[Guest]

Nerd really did say...

I, and other serious scientists...

:bjarte:

He is so wonderfully entertaining, I would miss him if he left FtB. He is also wrong but that is just a bonus.

As to that Avi pit rape allegation thing, it was Oolon who told a lie and it was further added to by Avi. As usual with Avi, he ignored all evidence correcting him (Avi, that is one reason I consider you a fantasist as you keep doing this) Nothing to do with the Pit. But in the Alice in Wonderland universe FtB live in the truth is whatever they decide on the day. After all, the truth is a social construct and feelings decide reality. Facts are the tool of the Patriarchy.

http://woldww.net/classes/Principles_of ... cience.htm

Feminists add a new twist to this old litany of repudiations of analytical reasoning by claiming that the standard norms and methods of scientific inquiry are sexist because they are incompatible with "women's ways of knowing." The authors of the prize-winning book with this title report that the majority of the women they interviewed fell into the category of "subjective knowers," characterized by a "passionate rejection of science and scientists." These "subjectivist" women see the methods of logic, analysis, and abstraction as "alien territory belonging to men" and "value intuition as a safer and more fruitful approach to truth" (Women's Ways of Knowing, by Mary Belenky et al., p. 71).

[Cliché Guevara]

Enough with all this squabbling and infighting. Russell Brand's going to fix everything for us.

One year on, Brand has got his answer. Now, his revolution isn’t just a throwaway comment. It’s a new book, a slogan on his necklace and, he believes, a real possibility. The book is a classic Brand potpourri: brilliant and infuriating, part travelogue, memoir, rant, riff, a call to arms and, ultimately, to love. It is not as readable or funny as his two Booky Wooks; more stream-of-consciousness tract. In short, he argues that the planet is being destroyed, the poor are being shafted, the rich are getting richer and he has had enough.

...For the past year Brand has been airing his views on the Trews (or the True News), a daily YouTube broadcast. In recent weeks, he has discussed democracy in Hong Kong, the importance of embracing real politics by ignoring Westminster, and whether Obama should give back his Nobel Peace prize. In the book, his conclusion is simple: capitalism is kaput, celebrity charity won’t plug holes, revolution is the only solution. Yet it also feels like a bit of a cop-out: he insists all this can be achieved through love, peace and understanding.

Would he ban private education? “Yes.” And private health? “Yes.” He would “cull corporations” after they have served their purpose. Does he really believe all this can be achieved without coercion? “Yes.” How? “By focusing on the important issues. We’re not even talking about moderately wealthy people – we’re talking about a society so unequal, so ludicrous, that 85 people have as much money as the 3.5 billion poorest in the world.”

...“People support the Trews,” a well-spoken young man says. “He’s having an impact on the psyche and the spirit and the global consciousness.”

“Say it again, because this man’s interviewing me for the Guardian and you’re making me look good,” Brand says.

“This gentleman here is a proponent of the truth,” the young man continues. “His only agenda in life is to disseminate unadulterated facts in a hopefully unbiased way.”

Another man approaches: “Got any spare cash?”

He hasn’t, because he’s celebrity royalty. “I ain’t got a penny, mate. You got any money, Simon?”

Brilliant, I say, digging into my pocket. I’m interviewing you about the revolution and you’ve not got a couple of quid to give to this fella.

As Brand talks to the homeless man, the posh boy says Brand has got a touch of Marx, Che Guevara and Jesus. “But really, parallels shouldn’t be drawn because he’s in a league of his own.”

[bovarchist]

I'm sorry, but I don't think that I get it. Wasn't this what Mykeru was trying to do the whole time?

Yes. The amount of straw and distortions in this discussion have been astounding. It has been eerily similar to discussions with SJWs.

Time to open up the Overton window on this one. Taking out ads in the local and campus papers detailing PZ's mermaid fantasies is a great start, adding links to his hentai porn on his Rate My Professor account is good, complaining to the FTB advertisers is a no brainer, and making sure neither he nor any of his acolytes ever speaks at a conference again makes sense, but those are all weak sauce.

The goal should be to hit PZ where he lives: his dwindling on-line notoriety.
1) Hack the FTB site and replace all the images with shoops
2) If by some miracle they actually have decent security, go 4chan on their asses and launch a denial of service attack
3) Visit Morris, grab PZ off the street, and tattoo "Property Of The Slymepit" on his fat ass

Now, doesn't Mykeru sound pretty tame?

Lisbeth Salander, is that you?

[Tribble]

Do we really have to add "gate" after every scandal.

Watergate was in 1974.... That was forty frickin' years ago.

Enough already.

Oh shit. We have gategate. I feel an infinite regression coming on and it'll be gates all the way down...

[Opyt]

Do we really have to add "gate" after every scandal.

Watergate was in 1974.... That was forty frickin' years ago.

Enough already.

Oh shit. We have gategate. I feel an infinite regression coming on and it'll be gates all the way down...

And then you'll have gategategate where people disagree that gategate was the appropriate action to take in regards to naming everything -gate. It could be a gateception.

[bovarchist]

PZ Myers apparently likes this "comic" a lot.

http://i.imgur.com/NuEkTQl.png
http://web.archive.org/web/201410120807 ... -question/

It's all fun and games until someone gets girlcock in zir eye.

I'm guessing that's a fantasy on the part of the writer/illustrator. That black-haired dude could do WAY better.

He did, until the author decided that it way too comfortable for him to be shacked up with Dora, owner if The Coffee of Doom. A lot of previously good webcomics have gone to hell after the authors have drunk the PoMo Third Wave KoolAid of Doom (qv Sinfest).

QC jumped the shark when Station apologized for posting inappropriate photos of the lieutenant on Facebook. That was the point when the cartoonist Jeph Jacques chose correctness over humor.

http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2114

And don't even get me started on El Goonish Shive becoming a nerd Uncle Tom.

[dog puke]

http://i.imgur.com/DZ2cXva.jpg

[screwtape]

\It's been suggested that the new -gate is -ghazi, but I dunno.

-ghazi doesn't work for me. My father had a lot of problems in Benghazi in the early forties.