Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

[Semi]

Wearing that hat while riding in this kayak while voting for Scottish independence.

Discuss.

Can you tell me the backstory of the vag-canoe?

[another lurker]

Wearing that hat while riding in this kayak while voting for Scottish independence.

Discuss.

Can you tell me the backstory of the vag-canoe?

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/201 ... foof-files

[Semi]

Wearing that hat while riding in this kayak while voting for Scottish independence.

Discuss.

Can you tell me the backstory of the vag-canoe?

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/201 ... foof-files

Ah yes, I heard about that story, but didn't put it together with the kayak. Thanks!

[Skep tickle]

Hey, it's my oldest daughter's birthday. I don't think I've seen her for more than five minutes in probably 4 years now, and certainly haven't seen her at all in 18 months.

In lieu of virtual pouncehugs, consider virtual (or even real) donations to parental alienation support groups.

Before going to work, I used to wake her up, get her dressed, make her breakfast, and then stroller her 4 days a week to and from daycare while my wife was getting her Ph.D.

The short of it is that judges will enforce child support at pain of jail time, but won't lift a finger to enforce parenting orders or recognize or deal with the damage an alienating parent can do.

Should go without saying that the loss of her in my life has been devastating. And of course her younger sister too.

Happy Birthday R, may you have a wonderful year.

Hugs (and not the pounce kind). What an awful thing to have happen...and not unusual, but that doesn't help.

How old are they now?

[Tigzy]

Steersman - what is best in life?

Good question. I’ve found this to be at least a partial answer, although not likely to be everybody's cuppa: :-)

Mathematical Quotations Server:
http://math.furman.edu/~mwoodard/mquot.html

"Life is good for only two things, discovering mathematics and teaching mathematics"--Siméon Poisson

http://i.imgur.com/KEzrEuw.png

[JacquesCuze]

[
Hugs (and not the pounce kind). What an awful thing to have happen...and not unusual, but that doesn't help.

How old are they now?

Thank you.

They are 17 and 15 and they were absolutely the light of my life.

Oh well, maybe one day.

[Pitchguest]

Hey, it's my oldest daughter's birthday. I don't think I've seen her for more than five minutes in probably 4 years now, and certainly haven't seen her at all in 18 months.

In lieu of virtual pouncehugs, consider virtual (or even real) donations to parental alienation support groups.

Before going to work, I used to wake her up, get her dressed, make her breakfast, and then stroller her 4 days a week to and from daycare while my wife was getting her Ph.D.

The short of it is that judges will enforce child support at pain of jail time, but won't lift a finger to enforce parenting orders or recognize or deal with the damage an alienating parent can do.

Should go without saying that the loss of her in my life has been devastating. And of course her younger sister too.

Happy Birthday R, may you have a wonderful year.

My time here has been firmly imprinted. I first read that as "while my wife was getting her PTSD." :doh:

[dog puke]

Hey, it's my oldest daughter's birthday. I don't think I've seen her for more than five minutes in probably 4 years now, and certainly haven't seen her at all in 18 months.

In lieu of virtual pouncehugs, consider virtual (or even real) donations to parental alienation support groups.

Before going to work, I used to wake her up, get her dressed, make her breakfast, and then stroller her 4 days a week to and from daycare while my wife was getting her Ph.D.

The short of it is that judges will enforce child support at pain of jail time, but won't lift a finger to enforce parenting orders or recognize or deal with the damage an alienating parent can do.

Should go without saying that the loss of her in my life has been devastating. And of course her younger sister too.

Happy Birthday R, may you have a wonderful year.

Hugs (and not the pounce kind). What an awful thing to have happen...and not unusual, but that doesn't help.

How old are they now?

Yep, ditto Jacques - I can relate. My condolences and empathy.

I was primary care giver for the first 7 years of my daughter's life, and changed more diapers than the mother. Ended up with getting cut out of daughter's life for several years. After many battles we reconnected; those early years formed an important bond and ultimately we made and maintain an excellent relationship, years of maternal character assassination notwithstanding.

Peace and good luck to you and yours.

[feathers]

Discuss.

http://s12.postimg.org/x3m7584i5/818605 ... 9c6746.jpg

Your avatar is looking at it rather distressed.

[bovarchist]

...that we know of.

Well......I didn't want to say this but, my Dad's best mate knows the cousin of a man who once spoke to the woman who lived 3 doors away from Shakin' Stevens.

My cousin starred in a low-rent direct-to-video Aliens ripoff...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0352699/?ref_=fn_al_tt_5 (Saskia Gould)

...my uncle is a low-level Respected Canadian Author...
http://www.hugh-cook.ca/

...my great-great-great-great grandfather was a Canadian Father of Confederation...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adams_George_Archibald

...my fifth cousin once removed came this close to being a US Olympic gymnast...
https://usagym.org/pages/athletes/archi ... neykel.pdf

...and Roger Ebert mentions me in one of his books.
http://books.google.ca/books?id=-1aM7D_ ... 22&f=false

[Tony Parsehole]

Steersman - what is best in life?

Good question. I’ve found this to be at least a partial answer, although not likely to be everybody's cuppa: :-)

Mathematical Quotations Server:
http://math.furman.edu/~mwoodard/mquot.html

"Life is good for only two things, discovering mathematics and teaching mathematics"--Siméon Poisson

http://i.imgur.com/KEzrEuw.png

hahahahahaha!

[Tony Parsehole]

...that we know of.

Well......I didn't want to say this but, my Dad's best mate knows the cousin of a man who once spoke to the woman who lived 3 doors away from Shakin' Stevens.

My cousin starred in a low-rent direct-to-video Aliens ripoff...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0352699/?ref_=fn_al_tt_5 (Saskia Gould)

...my uncle is a low-level Respected Canadian Author...
http://www.hugh-cook.ca/

...my great-great-great-great grandfather was a Canadian Father of Confederation...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adams_George_Archibald

...my fifth cousin once removed came this close to being a US Olympic gymnast...
https://usagym.org/pages/athletes/archi ... neykel.pdf

...and Roger Ebert mentions me in one of his books.
http://books.google.ca/books?id=-1aM7D_ ... 22&f=false

By these feats I hereby declare you ALMOST FAMOUS!

[Za-zen]

[
Hugs (and not the pounce kind). What an awful thing to have happen...and not unusual, but that doesn't help.

How old are they now?

Thank you.

They are 17 and 15 and they were absolutely the light of my life.

Oh well, maybe one day.

there are some things in life which are truly shit. I won't hug you because i'm not gay.

[Parody Accountant]

You knew it was coming. I apologize in advance.

http://s4.postimg.org/uycjv57zh/8186051 ... 6_copy.jpg

There's a song about this. Seriously.

[youtube]pX5p9fpqQbE[/youtube]

[bovarchist]

Do I still have to fuck Kate Hudson? Or can I pick my own starlet?

[Semi]

You knew it was coming. I apologize in advance.

http://s4.postimg.org/uycjv57zh/8186051 ... 6_copy.jpg

There's a song about this. Seriously.

[youtube]pX5p9fpqQbE[/youtube]

Holy fuck, that was painful to watch.

[another lurker]

Do I still have to fuck Kate Hudson? Or can I pick my own starlet?

Maybe if you're lucky, Michael Shermer will raep you.

[Mykeru]

I suspect then, that PZ will need to make amends to Mistress soon. Btw I like the way PZ is notching up the battle honours for his Big Tent Skepticism campaign colours.

http://i.imgur.com/BoXAJq3.jpg

"Let's see, have we done Prothero yet? No? Right, let's go for him... Number One, scrape all Prothero's publications for outings of Patriarchy and Rape. What? No, send your results directly to Nachrichten."

Basically, you have two tiers driving this witch-hunting sexual moral panic:

One the bottom are all the young adult sexual lumpen-proles who for one reason or another are confused, ambiguous or frustrated in their sexuality. Normally they can keep it in check and just bitch about it, but when you throw alcohol into the mix, things happen in which they are no way responsible forâ„¢.

Above them driving it are the dried up sexual scolds like P.Z. "I have fond memories of my boner" Myers and Ophelia "My pussy abraded the paint off my 40s-vintage 'neck massager'" Benson, who couldn't get laid by a homeless crack-head in Charlie Sheen's cabana with a gallon Zip-Loc full of coke.

[Za-zen]

If you want to skip the meat and here Hitchens sing, skip to the 40 min point. But, seriously, when you are given a steak dinner, do you just eat the onions.

[youtube]kMz4vr9tsjk[/youtube]

[Tony Parsehole]

I do like Mykeru's way with words.

[James Caruthers]

I love it when you go into the Atheism Plus forum, Steers. It always gives me that sack-of-Beijing-by-the-Mongols glow.

It's like living the Jan Steen fish comic.

http://i.imgur.com/gaYAYWD.jpg

Source for the goose and all that.

[Mykeru]

Dishing out Bravehart DVD's from a massive crate and performing the sacrament with shortbread and Buckfast wine.

Braveheart is to Scottish history what Flubber is to Materials Science.

[James Caruthers]

Where's James Caruthers, the lurking twat?

Fapping to all of this spicy talk, you shitlord!

Oi oi, check yo muvva fockin' priv, mate!

[James Caruthers]

Dishing out Bravehart DVD's from a massive crate and performing the sacrament with shortbread and Buckfast wine.

Braveheart is to Scottish history what Flubber is to Materials Science.

The new "Vikings" show isn't much better with Scandinavian history.

[dogen]

I have plenty of friends who are assholes.

Clearly, a good judge of character we have here.

I see what you did there. Either I say that none of my friends are assholes, in which case I can't be trusted because I'm too biased to see that some of them must be assholes, or I admit that some of my friends are assholes, in which case I can't be trusted because I befriend assholes! Brilliant and pathetic at the same time!

Look, pal, my point is that I know enough about Alison to 1) believe her 2) realize that the arguably-suboptimal way she handled it doesn't meant that it didn't happen. Now, since you don't know me from Adam you are perfectly justified in not taking my word for it. But I'd appreciate you not setting stupid "damned if you do, damned if you don't" traps like that any more, okay?

Well said.

[James Caruthers]

http://38.media.tumblr.com/61df5ba7ad4c ... 1_1280.png

BRILLIANT, Kotaku, brilliant.

To be fair, the 360 is probably older than the person who wrote this article.

[Garlix]

2) realize that the arguably-suboptimal way she handled it doesn't meant that it didn't happen.

It's a fact that the accusations would have been much more effective without the strong implications of "raep!!1!". Even Shermer's own account is rather on the creepy side (hint, when someone is plastered enough to nearly induce a "bathroom incident", you're not supposed to wait till they vaguely look "sober" to your own intoxicated ass and then bang them anyway).

Instead, the implicit R-word riles people up (because no matter how creepy it is, rape it's not) and Shermer ends up seen as a victim, with good reason.

YMMV, IMHO, IANA, STFU, YMCA, etc.

[Tigzy]

I see what you did there. Either I say that none of my friends are assholes, in which case I can't be trusted because I'm too biased to see that some of them must be assholes, or I admit that some of my friends are assholes, in which case I can't be trusted because I befriend assholes! Brilliant and pathetic at the same time!

Look, pal, my point is that I know enough about Alison to 1) believe her 2) realize that the arguably-suboptimal way she handled it doesn't meant that it didn't happen. Now, since you don't know me from Adam you are perfectly justified in not taking my word for it. But I'd appreciate you not setting stupid "damned if you do, damned if you don't" traps like that any more, okay?

Well said.

Bleh!

Sludgy-spunked tosser.

[Steersman]

...that we know of.

Well......I didn't want to say this but, my Dad's best mate knows the cousin of a man who once spoke to the woman who lived 3 doors away from Shakin' Stevens.

My cousin starred in a low-rent direct-to-video Aliens ripoff...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0352699/?ref_=fn_al_tt_5 (Saskia Gould)
<snip>
...and Roger Ebert mentions me in one of his books.
http://books.google.ca/books?id=-1aM7D_ ... 22&f=false

Awesome; high-five & all that. :-) But a bit of your 15 minutes of fame?

But one might offer an obligatory quibble relative to this from your last link:

Once you understand the concept of selection, and how it applies to evolution, you realize that what was thought to be vanishingly unlikely actually becomes virtually inevitable.

But many – of some credibility - aren’t really convinced that selection is going to carry the freight on its own:

At the symposium [of mathematicians & evolutionary biologists] one side was unhappy, and the other side was uncomprehending. A mathematician who claimed that there was insufficient time for the number of mutations apparently needed to make an eye was told by the biologists that his figures must be wrong. The mathematicians, though were not persuaded that the fault was theirs. As one said:

There is a considerable gap in the neo-Darwinian theory of evolution, and we believe this gap to be of such a nature that it cannot be bridged with the current conception of biology. [Schutzenberger, M.P. (1967) “Algorithms and the Neo-Darwinian Theory of Evolution” in “Mathematical Challenges to the Neo-Darwinian Interpretation of Evolution” ….]

[Darwin’s Black Box, Michael Behe, pg 29]

Behe goes on to at least broach the idea of another factor or process – self-organization – that might play a significant role before, of course, eventually going with “Jehovah diddit”:

Stuart Kauffman of the Santa Fe Institute is a leading proponent of “complexity theory”. Simply put, it proposes that many features of living systems are the result of self-organization – the tendency of complex systems to arrange themselves in patterns – and not natural selection:

Darwin and evolution stand astride us, whatever the mutterings of creation scientists [pointing to “serious problems”?]. But is the view right? Better, is it adequate? I believe it is not. It is not that Darwin is wrong, but that he got hold of only part of the truth.

[pg 29]

[Beleth]

I see what you did there. Either I say that none of my friends are assholes, in which case I can't be trusted because I'm too biased to see that some of them must be assholes, or I admit that some of my friends are assholes, in which case I can't be trusted because I befriend assholes! Brilliant and pathetic at the same time!

Aaaand...s/h/it gets it. Point is, all you have is 'Alison is my friend and I trust her.' Well...good. But who do you hope to sway by this? Are we supposed to accept what you say as gospel? If so, on what basis? That she's your friend? That you're a good judge of character?

That fact that it was so piss-easy to pull a D4M10N on you should tell you how much you're bringing to the table here.

Who do I hope to sway? Anyone who bases their conclusions on evidence. Or is testimony regarding Alison's straightforwardness to be automatically taken as proof of Alison's shiftiness? You know how nuts that sounds, right?

I'm not sure what "pulling a D4M10N" is, but it seems to be the Internet equivalent of "you have something on your shirt", in which case I continue to nod respectfully at your clearly superior intellect and morality.

[Steersman]

Steersman - what is best in life?

Good question. I’ve found this to be at least a partial answer, although not likely to be everybody's cuppa: :-)

Mathematical Quotations Server:
http://math.furman.edu/~mwoodard/mquot.html

"Life is good for only two things, discovering mathematics and teaching mathematics"--Siméon Poisson

http://i.imgur.com/KEzrEuw.png

:lol: “mad-maddicks”! Me & Conan witnessing to different cultures .... if somewhat woodenly ... :-)

[Beleth]

I used the avatar to show how much I cared about your post.

Well... thanks for sharing, then.

[Beleth]

Couple more things:

1) Thanks to everyone who welcomed me.

2) Holy crow but you guys post quickly in this thread.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

There is no way right now to know who is telling the truth. And I won't give the two accounts any special credibility because one is a famed skeptic or the other is a woman. But really, if Alison felt raped, why the 2010 super friendly email? That's not how one reacts to their rapist. Usually.

[Steersman]

"Shai Hulud" - like that Tony. :-)

Believe it or not you hold a place in my heart.

Aw, gosh, gee willikers; thanks. :-)

Steersman:
If somebody asked you for directions would you provide them with a web link for confirmation?

Possibly. Though if someone were to ask me the time I’d certainly consider the possibility on riffing – with or without thumb on neck – on the technology & history of timepieces .... :-)

[bovarchist]

If Anita Sarkeesian goes to jail for wire fraud, the sheer friction of schadenfreudic dry-humping will melt whatever's left of the polar ice caps.

[John Greg]

Beleth said:

Couple more things:

1) Thanks to everyone who welcomed me.

I'm a bit late to the party, but welcome home.

2) Holy crow but you guys post quickly in this thread.

That's a fact. It often becomes quite a challenge and quite time-consuming to keep up.

[Semi]

Couple more things:

1) Thanks to everyone who welcomed me.

2) Holy crow but you guys post quickly in this thread.

I know I am late with this, and have already been ninja'd, but welcome, and here's your basket of [missing] links.

http://s30.postimg.org/re4zog6u9/012712 ... ulls_3.jpg

[Tigzy]

Who do I hope to sway? Anyone who bases their conclusions on evidence. Or is testimony regarding Alison's straightforwardness to be automatically taken as proof of Alison's shiftiness? You know how nuts that sounds, right?

Evidence? What, your claim that Alison is a good person who speaketh the truth? Why should anyone regard that as evidence? And before you start - no, no-one taking that as evidence that she's shifty, either. Because what you brought wasn't evidence. It was just a claim.

I'm not sure what "pulling a D4M10N" is, but it seems to be the Internet equivalent of "you have something on your shirt", in which case I continue to nod respectfully at your clearly superior intellect and morality.

Oh, you're not familiar with D4M10N. Well, in fairness, I don't envy you or anyone the prospect of encountering him in a 'debate'. Seriously, it'd make my little bit of nortiness as regards you seem exceedingly mild in comparison.

[Pitchguest]

There is no way right now to know who is telling the truth. And I won't give the two accounts any special credibility because one is a famed skeptic or the other is a woman. But really, if Alison felt raped, why the 2010 super friendly email? That's not how one reacts to their rapist. Usually.

Apparently victims of rape move in mysterious ways. Just read the Ofie thread about it. As a case in point, they used the recent case of Ray Rice and the Stockholm Syndrome his wife seemingly suffers from.

Coincidentally I was thinking the same thing when one of Julian Assange's alleged victims wrote an almost glorifying review of her supposed rapist the day after. Do victims of rape, who feel they've been raped, usually do that too? :confusion-shrug:

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Couple more things:

1) Thanks to everyone who welcomed me.

2) Holy crow but you guys post quickly in this thread.

I know I am late with this, and have already been ninja'd, but welcome, and here's your basket of [missing] links.

http://s30.postimg.org/re4zog6u9/012712 ... ulls_3.jpg

Haha! A novel twist. :clap:

[Za-zen]

Couple more things:

1) Thanks to everyone who welcomed me.

2) Holy crow but you guys post quickly in this thread.

Fuck off, don't come looking for a welcome a year and a half later

[Parody Accountant]

Couple more things:

1) Thanks to everyone who welcomed me.

2) Holy crow but you guys post quickly in this thread.

1) Welcome and fuck off.

2)
yes, if you go too slow, it can pass you right by.

[Kirbmarc]

If Anita Sarkeesian goes to jail for wire fraud, the sheer friction of schadenfreudic dry-humping will melt whatever's left of the polar ice caps.

If she were found guilty of wire fraud, there'd be plenty of people ready to start "Legal Tropes vs. Women". The first episode would be about "The myth of evidence and the reality of lived experience", in which Sarkeesian (or her lackeys) would try to convince people that if you feel like you've been wrongly accused you're not guilty.

[Brive1987]

We are all used to frustrated commentators getting banned at FtB.

At GC's though on the Sam Harris post, Sam Winston was making enjoyable disagreement with nary a "SJW" or "rad-fem" reference in sight. Polite and considered discussion which addressed each poster's point. Almost classic FtB.

Until the shutters came down. Another other candle snuffed.


Greta's

"his condescending attitude towards people who are much better informed about these issues than he is"

pretty much sums it up.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2014/ ... der-split/

http://i.imgur.com/gNI0EuD.jpg

[Brive1987]

At least she sounds slightly self-aware and defensive of being such a bitch.

[Tigzy]

And once again, ReGreta is too tired/busy to refute him. Obviously, she could tear him a rhetorical new one if only she had the time and wasn't so tired. But dammit, she'll just have to stick him in moderation; such is the cross she has to bear.

Also, Greta claimed I kink-shamed her on twitter yesterday, after I pointed out that she wrote a book which celebrates rape.

Kink-shamed.

:-D

[Za-zen]

We are all used to frustrated commentators getting banned at FtB.

At GC's though on the Sam Harris post, Sam Winston was making enjoyable disagreement with nary a "SJW" or "rad-fem" reference in sight. Polite and considered discussion which addressed each poster's point. Almost classic FtB.

Until the shutters came down. Another other candle snuffed.


Greta's

"his condescending attitude towards people who are much better informed about these issues than he is"

pretty much sums it up.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2014/ ... der-split/

http://i.imgur.com/gNI0EuD.jpg

It's always a Regretta.

Ergo, i am not capable le of refuting this persons points, so i appeal to my lack of spoons, or hectic life schedule of tweeting whilst on the shitter, about how great my collection of other people's ideas are. Otherwise, i would so show this person how intellectually superior i am, and how lacking in substance their argument is.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

And once again, ReGreta is too tired/busy to refute him. Obviously, she could tear him a rhetorical new one if only she had the time and wasn't so tired. But dammit, she'll just have to stick him in moderation; such is the cross she has to bear.

Also, Greta claimed I kink-shamed her on twitter yesterday, after I pointed out that she wrote a book which celebrates rape.

Kink-shamed.

:-D

You're in good company, Greta. Here's another victim of kinsk-shaming. Sad, so sad.

http://i.imgur.com/aZhBHHc.jpg

[Jan Steen]

This comment (not by me) on the Pharyngulag:

http://i.imgur.com/R44PpP1.jpg

met a predictable fate:

http://i.imgur.com/mkRlEZz.jpg

Too bad that Tony! The Queer Moron had already quoted the offensive comment in its entirety, thus rendering Peezus's effort at suppression futile. :lol:

http://i.imgur.com/u8kS0CL.jpg

Poor Tony still has much to learn about silencing techniques. Maybe Peezus should put up a Silencing 101 guide for the benefit of his Flock.

Article 1.1.1: Do not quote from comments that you can reasonably expect to be deleted by Your Dear Leader.
Article 1.1.2.1: Send an alert when you read a comment that you can reasonably expect to be deleted by Your Dear Leader.
Article 1.1.2.2: Do not send an alert if another member of the Horde has already indicated that an alert was sent to Your Dear Leader for the same comment.
Article 1.1.3: Comments eligible for deletion include, but are not limited to, those that contain one or more of the following: an indication that the poster is a Slymepitter; disparaging remarks about feminism; statements questioning the existence of The Patriarchy or Rape Culture; anything said in defence of Shermer, Radford, Harris or Dawkins; mocking of Your Dear Leader or FreethoughtBlogs; attacks on prominent members of the Horde (in particular Nerd of Redhead or Caine [insert current pseudonym for the last-mentioned]); the c-word or the b-word.
Article 1.1.4: ...

http://web.archive.org/web/201409140800 ... ontagious/

[Brive1987]

It really marked the end of FtB when reasonable debate couldn't at least be dangled as a chew toy.

'Twas a time when you could make your points politely, incite a horde dogging and have PZ step in to call time on you. Everybody won.

Now PZ has scared away anybody offering occasional polite disagreement and those that creep thru are immediately banned before anyone gets to have fun. Hence the sad soulless place that it's become.

[BlueShiftRhino]

Who do I hope to sway? Anyone who bases their conclusions on evidence. Or is testimony regarding Alison's straightforwardness to be automatically taken as proof of Alison's shiftiness? You know how nuts that sounds, right?

Jeebus, you're thick.

You presented it as evidence that her claims should be believed. But it's terrible evidence, as several folks have pointed out. Now, if you had given us examples of times when she had said or done something that would be difficult to explain without assuming that she is a truthful person, then you would have been doing something useful. But just coming on and saying that she's your friend and that you think that she's truthful, etc, without giving us the data that led you to that conclusion is absolutely worthless.

As to what may or may not be nuts, I don't know. But I do sometimes judge folks by the company they keep. And, to be blunt, right now, you ain't doing your friend any favors.

[Kirbmarc]

Comments eligible for deletion include, but are not limited to, those that contain one or more of the following: an indication that the poster is a Slymepitter; disparaging remarks about feminism; statements questioning the existence of The Patriarchy or Rape Culture; anything said in defence of Shermer, Radford, Harris or Dawkins; mocking of Your Dear Leader or FreethoughtBlogs; attacks on prominent members of the Horde (in particular Nerd of Redhead or Caine [insert current pseudonym for the last-mentioned]); the c-word or the b-word.

...and also statement questioning the relevance of anecdotal evidence ("denying lived experience"); requests for evidence for feminist claims; doubts about a statement of a prominent member of the Horde or of the Dear Leader; explanations for any perceived slight to "victims"; concern for false accusations of rape, sexual assault, or sexism; definitions of atheism according to dictionaries; libertarian or conservative ideas; evidence for evolutionary psychology; defences of the use of the C-word as non inherently sexist in the British variety of English; evidence against feminist dogmas.

[Parody Accountant]

RimjobV = Beleth ? possible. Rimmy commented on the story the whole time...

[Jan Steen]

It really marked the end of FtB when reasonable debate couldn't at least be dangled as a chew toy.

'Twas a time when you could make your points politely, incite a horde dogging and have PZ step in to call time on you. Everybody won.

Now PZ has scared away anybody offering occasional polite disagreement and those that creep thru are immediately banned before anyone gets to have fun. Hence the sad soulless place that it's become.

On the positive side, you can now enjoy the sensation of reading a dystopian novel in daily installments. It's like 1984 becoming live on your screen. I find it morbidly fascinating and entertaining.

[JackSkeptic]

I see Beleth as simply giving an opinion based on his knowledge of someone. We all make value judgements all the time, even courts do, so why such animosity?

The only thing I know is giving a claim of rape to the one person you know who will use it to further his political ideology with no care for the facts, evidence or the harm done is in my opinion someone who will come across as having little interest in justice. Maybe she thought that was the only option she had. But it does mean many people will no longer believe her and if anything it has damaged her credibility which is a shame as the one thing guaranteed to be harmed is the truth.

If I wanted the truth out there the last person I would choose is someone like Myers via someone like Poppy unless I had a political agenda and wanted to cause as much harm as possible without care to the consequences or harm to innocent parties. These people are known to ignore facts and evidence, their whole belief system relies on it. They also really do not give a stuff who they harm as everyone in disagreement with them is an enemy to be brought down.

So Beleth there is a big disconnect between what you are saying and what we have seen happen. If that damages her claims or the perception of her character then I am afraid that is her fault and no one else's. It's a shame but there it is.

[KiwiInOz]

Couple more things:

1) Thanks to everyone who welcomed me.

2) Holy crow but you guys post quickly in this thread.

Hang around and have some fun. Don't take anything too seriously (if there are two interpretations of a comment, and one of them is tongue in cheek/sarcasm/irony/piss take, then it's probably the right interpretation). There are opportunities for serious discussion (in some sub thread somewhere - ask John Greg for directions to it). Etc etc.

[KiwiInOz]

Couple more things:

1) Thanks to everyone who welcomed me.

2) Holy crow but you guys post quickly in this thread.

Hang around and have some fun. Don't take anything too seriously (if there are two interpretations of a comment, and one of them is tongue in cheek/sarcasm/irony/piss take, then it's probably the right interpretation). There are opportunities for serious discussion (in some sub thread somewhere - ask John Greg for directions to it). Etc etc.

PS stick to your guns if necessary, and be prepared to both dish it out and take it.

[another lurker]

Couple more things:

1) Thanks to everyone who welcomed me.

2) Holy crow but you guys post quickly in this thread.

Hang around and have some fun. Don't take anything too seriously (if there are two interpretations of a comment, and one of them is tongue in cheek/sarcasm/irony/piss take, then it's probably the right interpretation). There are opportunities for serious discussion (in some sub thread somewhere - ask John Greg for directions to it). Etc etc.

PS stick to your guns if necessary, and be prepared to both dish it out and take it.

Don't engage Steers, or welch. And close your eyes or blindfold yourself when scrolling past a Mykeru post!

[KiwiInOz]

Couple more things:

1) Thanks to everyone who welcomed me.

2) Holy crow but you guys post quickly in this thread.

Hang around and have some fun. Don't take anything too seriously (if there are two interpretations of a comment, and one of them is tongue in cheek/sarcasm/irony/piss take, then it's probably the right interpretation). There are opportunities for serious discussion (in some sub thread somewhere - ask John Greg for directions to it). Etc etc.

PS stick to your guns if necessary, and be prepared to both dish it out and take it.

In fact, it's probably best to have everyone except "another lurker" on ignore. The bouncing bosom gifs are to die for.