Also, Avi has a
"gamer" post up - real long, and I initially thought it might have been started from here with the mention of Breitbart, but that was all over the place, so it might not be. Very long, and I don't have time to read right now and digest it properly, but a few thoughts:
The "hags of lag" - rather sexist name for a video game group. Think of Auntie Ophelia!
He quotes a comment from somewhere:
No. What Milo here doesn’t get is that it isn’t political correctness but a desire to make gaming as a community more inclusive so we can ALL PLAY GAMES. Not so that I have to pretend to be white online lest I get called a variety of delightful slurs by the “Frustrated Maleâ€.
It’s a fact of life that the video games industry is awash with marginalised, troubled people who have found it difficult to manage their lives in mainstream society. It’s particularly the case when you look at independent or “indie†video game developers, a remarkable proportion of whom suffer from depression or anxiety disorders. Many of these people end up as enthusiastic campaigners for one or more causes they feel deserve wider attention.
Ah yes! Gamers are damaged. Remind me again?
In what planet, in what century and in what country in the Western Developed World are the majority of gamers who are white, male and straight a marginalised and troubled group? I mean black people can still be shot for no adequate reason. Running while dark is a major problem. The GLBT still suffer incredible discrimination. Women suffer from discrimination still particularly in access to vital healthcare. So to claim that this bigotry is absent from games is just silly.
I'd disagree with both of them. While games have been that way in the past, I'd argue that twitter has far more broken and
damaged people than gaming. I am also suspicious of the "gamers=white" trope - I know gamers of all races and sexes. Have no idea of the proportions, but the idea that gaming - white hobby is a bit old and false. Plus, I wasn't aware that by being white, you were unable to have psychological or other problems. Does this mean that my white soldier friends coming back from Iraq really don't have PTSD. I mean, they weren't even on twitter.
Also, way to completely miss or misrepresent the point (the italics are someone else he is quoting):
It’s hard to believe some of the allegations made about Quinn, who has been held up as an icon of probity by the liberal tech press, but web sleuths have provided copious evidence in support of their claims. Though she presents herself as a champion for depression sufferers, Quinn picked on a forum for depressed men called Wizardchan, misrepresenting content there to claim she was being harassed. She used her influence to torpedo a charity – a charity! – which was later hacked by one of her supporters.
Wait wait wait.
So is the crux of your argument that we shouldn’t listen to Quinn about video games because she sleeps about? What does her vagina status and what she chooses to insert into it have to do with the issue of games and women? Oh Wait! I know.
Zoe Quinn is not the ideal woman. She is “badâ€. She cheated on a guy with 3 people. No. Not 5, but 3. You can’t break up with someone then moan about that person going off and having sex with other people. You can’t shotgun a vagina in perpetuity.
She is alleged to have used spurious copyright claims to stifle criticism. She threatened to end the careers of developers who disagreed with her in comment threads. She leveraged friendships with moderators at online forums to have nearly 25,000 comments deleted. She swept an allegation of sexual misconduct under the carpet using intimidation. There’s even a theory floating around that she is planning to have herself beaten up at an upcoming conference. It’s an unconfirmed internet rumour, but it illustrates Quinn’s credibility to gamers.
Oh there is an unconfirmed internet rumour that gazing upon my body brings people to orgasm. I can also shoot laser beams from my eyes and bench press a car.
Uh, no. Not even in your wildest imagination. I think there are comments from your ex that completely destroy the first one. His first point that we shouldn't listen to her because she slept around avoids the point the poster was making - that she has been deceitful, and has acted against the very interests she claims to support - it's the hypocrisy, stupid.
Then the last bit was used to show that she hasn't the credibility with a lot of people to be taken seriously, which works against the white knight idea that she is speaking truth to power. Her lies have hurt any real claim she might be making (I don't think she is making one, btw). Plus, he makes no comment on the false copyright claims and the deletions, but we expect that. Can't agree that your damsel does wrong.
He also comments that Depression Quest is free, so how is she making money off the publicity - avoiding the fact that she has set up some funding source to get herself money, and that people in the group of "game journalists" are supporting her that way (and vice versa) when they should not be, and that the more attention she gets over this manufactroversy means she can rake in the cash from gullible knights and rabid SJWs. If they want to spend their money that way, fine, just don't trash other people with lies to get it done.
There may be more, but that is all I got out of a very quick spin. If I had more time and more interest in Mr Nobody, I might go back and do a better job when I get off work, but I do have other things to do. Plus, you know, he can't come here since he's been banned, so he won't get to see it. :naughty:
