Hey, leave Clarence alone!Really? wrote: The FTBoners talk about the Pit the way 15-year-old virgin dudes talk about sex with their friends.
"Oh, yeah, brah. I was, like, pushing again--into it? Right? And that vagina was all warm--it's gonna be warm, I'm sure--and soaked like a warm washcloth when you're taking a shower. And when the whole thing was done, her body...moved?"
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I would provide one caution on this analysis. The eyewitness testimony is pretty iffy and some of it is the testimony of a friend. Not all the witness testimony is fully revealed. Strange things happen. Not that I am necessarily defending the cop, but a man can put his hands up and still walk toward an officer. It is very hard to say with certainty that Brown was just standing and the cop simply opened fire.Dick Strawkins wrote:I would break it down into three incidents.Pitchguest wrote:In light of the Ferguson situation, I'm going to give my two cents (pence?): There's a video showing Michael Brown robbing a convienience store. Obviously that contradicts the story that he was just walking along minding his own business. The police officer had probable cause. There are also accounts how Michael Brown was being erratic, resisting arrest and tried reaching for the officer's gun (or thereabouts) whereupon the officer fired his gun.
Now here's where it gets obscure. The police officer allegedly shot Brown ten times. Ten! Now, I don't know about you, but even if there's a case where someone's trying to grab your gun, you don't proceed to shoot the assailant ten fucking times. This makes it difficult to assauge if the officer was justified in his action or if he in zeal (overzealous) or in anger just wanted to shoot the guy. I don't know. All I know is, whether he felt he did or didn't, I wouldn't want this man on the street. He shouldn't be a police officer.
Then there's the case where a man, also resisting arrest, was shot point blank and allowed to bleed out. I've seen the footage. I'm not sure if the officer seen too many episodes of Cops, but if your gun goes off accidentally (as the offical statement says) you don't restrain the victim (on his back, with your knees) for a few minutes like a fucking retard and then AFTER perform CPR because the guy goes into anaphylactic shock. You briefly go, "Oh shit" and IMMEDIATELY try to stop the bleeding. Again, another case of "this person should not be a police officer." Period. Ferguson Police Department seems to have a lot of these fuckups in their employ, including the mayor (the idiot who thought it was a good idea to initiate martial law and fire tear gas at peaceful protesters).
Now to the other side of the coin: I don't care how fucked up the situation is (or was), there absolutely should never be a police action that allows looters to continue looting. What the fuck, Missouri Highway Patrol? I appreciate that Ron Johnson wants to alleviate the chaos, but he needs to realise there's a time for peacekeeping and when there's a time for actual police work. Looting is one of those times. Or am I wrong in this? When things are back to normal and the police suddenly decides to investigate the stolen goods, will they even have jurisdiction to do anything considering they were the ones who let them away with it in the first place?
I don't know. AFAIK, FUBAR.
1. The robbery.
It looks like (if it was Brown) that he was guilty of a crime and was capable of acting in a violent and antisocial way.
However, the police state that the officer who apprehended him in the street did so for another reason - the fact that Brown was walking in the middle of the street. The police officer did not know that Brown was connected with the robbery. He shouted at him to get off the street, Brown didn't (so he was antisocial and a bit of an idiot) and then the police officer tried to grab him.
2. The incident at the car.
This one is pretty unclear because the only real witnesses are the police officer and Browns friend (who may have reason to paint Brown in a better light, seeing as they had just committed a robbery.)
All we know here is that the officer tried to grab Brown through the car window and there was a struggle, during which a shot was fired and Brown ran away.
3. The shots in the street.
This is the major problem.
Brown ran away, the officer exited the car and shot at Brown, hitting him in the arm.
***Brown turned around and held his hands in the air and multiple witnesses have the officer shooting brown multiple times.***
The final starred line is the critical incident. Brown may have been at fault for the previous two points but if the officer did as several witnesses claim (and the autopsy appears to confirm with the bullet evidence) then this seems to be a major problem.
Shooting someone dead who has surrendered - even if that person has assaulted you moments earlier - is murder.
Also, cops are trained to fire multiple times. Small caliber high speed bullets don't have much stopping power. It is also pretty hard to hit a target with a pistol reliably. Cops routinely fire many shots under all circumstances.
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I would have discounted the friends testimony entirely, if it weren't for the fact that it appears to agree with that of two other witnesses.John D wrote: I would provide one caution on this analysis. The eyewitness testimony is pretty iffy and some of it is the testimony of a friend. Not all the witness testimony is fully revealed. Strange things happen. Not that I am necessarily defending the cop, but a man can put his hands up and still walk toward an officer. It is very hard to say with certainty that Brown was just standing and the cop simply opened fire.
Also, cops are trained to fire multiple times. Small caliber high speed bullets don't have much stopping power. It is also pretty hard to hit a target with a pistol reliably. Cops routinely fire many shots under all circumstances.
Still, I don't know the full details and there may be other aspects of this (videos etc) that haven't come to light yet so I am only speculating based on the available evidence.
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If you notice she justifies her secrecy on the basis that revealing her affair with her boss could cause "games as a whole" to lose "one of it's only strong voices for equality" and "the harassment would get worse".Southern wrote:I don't remember if someone posted about this before... but here it goes, its too good to pass up:
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Oh boy oh boy oh boy. Dirty laundry involving a female indie developer, SJW, sexual scandals and that sanctimonious pit of hypocrisy that is Kotaku.com? Sign me in, I'm listening, oh overlords of the internet.
I usually don't care about other people's infidelity, but this has all the marks of hypocrisy and corruption all over it. So beautiful. And who'd know, the toilet slaves at Kotaku aren't above whoring out for free pussy. Well done!
In other words it should stay secret because she is a major figure on the right team and a victimâ„¢.
Now consider the following: http://kc-vidya-rants.tumblr.com/post/9 ... oper-comes
In the above link @Ouren reluctantly accuses Zoe of sexual harassment. Phil Fish (SJW independent game developer) immediately attacks Ouren with a red herring and subsequently disowns him.
See: http://kc-vidya-rants.tumblr.com/post/9 ... -lifschitz
Believe the Victim? Not when the victim accuses someone in the upper echelons of the
Not to worry though the victim has since been silenced and has deleted the tweet in question, adding: I speculate that Zoe told Ouren that he had to retract for the greater good so that "games as a whole" would not lose "one of it's only strong voices for equality" and that the harassment would get worse.
"Harassment" seems to be a universal Get-out-of-jail-free card in this
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And I was being facetious, Raymond.ShameMaggot wrote:I was calling you the autist you perceptive giant.Matt Cavanaugh wrote: wouldn't go so far to say that Plato was autistic.
Oh get the fuck out of here ... the fucking ... a fucking ... the fucking ... the first fucking Book you shithead....
Seems I hurt your fee-fees by trashing the book that made such a big impact on you as a youth. You know, a lot of people are similarly affected by Atlas Shrugged, but that's not going to stop me from calling Ayn Rand a sociopath and a cunt.
Just as only a person lacking any sense of fashion taste could fail to appreciate the exquisiteness of the emperor's new clothes, only a shithead could fail to appreciate the nuanced nuances of philosophy, eh? I got news for you: I get to think Plato was a gonk, his ideas inane. I can like much of Popper, some Kant & Leibniz, and consider Marcus Aurelius sublime, while also finding Rousseau deluded, Locke jejeune, and Descartes all over the map. And those can be reasoned, informed opinions. I also get to not care much at all for philosophy, considering it even more of a waste of time than attending a soccer match or a poetry recital.Well you may of gone through the mechanical process of reading Plato but you sure as shit had no idea what you read, so how much modern philosophy have you read to have such a confident view of the discipline? Let's go over specifics!
Oh, the arrogance and condensation of philosophers! Who, like another lurkers' online opponent, think their mental masturbation trumps all. Or who, like you, deride anyone who fails to share your onanist predilections, as ignorant and an idiot. If you persist in leveling ad homs at me for my audacity to hold an opinion variant from yours, then fuck off I'm just putting you on ignore.
:cdc:
But if you really want to "go over specifics," then answer me this:
Assuming that modern philosophy is a search for answers & understanding,
a) What questions does it ask?
b) What answers has it produced?
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They watched The Human Centipede 2 - too many times.Cunning Punt wrote:What are they looking for?James Caruthers wrote:http://media.tumblr.com/4342f9b313231a4 ... sl7frt.jpg
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Skep tickle wrote:Yeah, it's one of 3 or so posts he has put up in response to Benson pointing out the Dawkins science-question tweets.austin wrote:Wow PZ posts something I actually agree with. But it's science not SJW stuff. He says if we could rewind the tape of life, it is extremely unlikely that humanoids would arise. This is of course something SJ Gould as well as Mayr and other biologists have said in the past, so nothing novel. I happen to think though, given the vastness of the universe, somewhere somehow some advanced civilized (if we are civilized????) probably non-humanoid species exists. Probably the vast vast majority of life in the universe still rare is bacterial or viral (if you call viruses life) in nature. Of course this is speculation, until SETI detects something, probably never.
Amusingly, Myers' approach is to point out that he himself has already answered that question, years]/i] ago, then pull it out & dust it off & post it. Maybe trying to restore himself in Dawkins' eyes after Robin-gate? Oh me me me teacher, I know the answer? Like Dawkins might not have been posing them to stimulate thought, not just to see who could get the "right" answer?
(*deep breath, tries for charity toward Myers...not finding it....*)
It's funny (and not "ha ha" funny) how interesting, well-written, and non-spittle-flecked these Myers' posts are. Also, they're drawing positive, appreciative comments from people other than the usual Horde. Hunh...go figure. :roll:
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Hang on - if you don't like FSOG you are a misogynist? So not liking graphic scenes of rape, physical and mental abuse of women means you hate women?Dick Strawkins wrote:Heina tries to clarify her trolling post in the comments:
So if you hate gossip mags or duckface pictures you are a misogynist.Misogyny is hatred of women. Hating things associated with women would be a subset of that.
She also includes the mommy-porn rape fantasy novel 'Fifty Shades of Grey' in her list.
The only thing I can't understand about her post is the fact that she left the 'Sex in the City' movies off her list!
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She has no idea what's in that book, does she?
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They should just ask Dawkins to issue a statement along these lines:Skep tickle wrote:Benson & Myers are trying to condition Dawkins to be a good scientist & shut up about non-sciency things. At least that's how I see it. AFAICT this cross-promotion is a little unusual (don't they usually put up a blog post themselves that links to another FTBer?)
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But since, after having been admonished by this Holy Office entirely to abandon the false opinion that the sun is the centre of the Universe and immovable, and that the Earth is not the centre of the same and that it moves, and that I was neither to hold, defend, nor teach in any manner whatsoever, either orally or in writing, the said false doctrine; and after having received a notification that the said doctrine is contrary to Holy Writ, I wrote and published a book in which I treat this condemned doctrine and bring forward very persuasive arguments in its favour without answering them: I have been judged vehemently suspected of heresy, that is of having held and believed that the Sun is at the centre of the Universe and immovable, and that the Earth is not at the centre and that it moves.
Therefore, wishing to remove from the minds of your Eminences and all faithful Christians this vehement suspicion reasonably conceived against me, I abjure with a sincere heart and unfeigned faith these errors and heresies, and I curse and detest them as well as any other error, heresy or sect contrary to the Holy Catholic Church. And I swear that for the future I shall neither say nor assert orally or in writing such things as may bring upon me similar suspicions; and if I know any heretic, or one suspected of heresy, I will denounce him to this Holy Office, or to the Inquisitor or Ordinary of the place in which I may be.
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They've got a track record of keeping very poor time, and even if right twice a day, it's out of sheer dumb technicalities?austin wrote:
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Or simply to change the emphasis: "PZ Myers wrote that. You think I agree with HIM?"Southern wrote:Dawkins lost a golden opportunity to write, "You think I AGREE w/ this fuckwit?". Next time, Richard!
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From the NY Times Autopsy Shows Michael Brown Was Struck at Least 6 Times none in the back.Pitchguest wrote:In light of the Ferguson situation, I'm going to give my two cents (pence?): There's a video showing Michael Brown robbing a convienience store. Obviously that contradicts the story that he was just walking along minding his own business. The police officer had probable cause. There are also accounts how Michael Brown was being erratic, resisting arrest and tried reaching for the officer's gun (or thereabouts) whereupon the officer fired his gun.
Now here's where it gets obscure. The police officer allegedly shot Brown ten times. Ten! Now, I don't know about you, but even if there's a case where someone's trying to grab your gun, you don't proceed to shoot the assailant ten fucking times. This makes it difficult to assauge if the officer was justified in his action or if he in zeal (overzealous) or in anger just wanted to shoot the guy. I don't know. All I know is, whether he felt he did or didn't, I wouldn't want this man on the street. He shouldn't be a police officer.
Then there's the case where a man, also resisting arrest, was shot point blank and allowed to bleed out. I've seen the footage. I'm not sure if the officer seen too many episodes of Cops, but if your gun goes off accidentally (as the offical statement says) you don't restrain the victim (on his back, with your knees) for a few minutes like a fucking retard and then AFTER perform CPR because the guy goes into anaphylactic shock. You briefly go, "Oh shit" and IMMEDIATELY try to stop the bleeding. Again, another case of "this person should not be a police officer." Period. Ferguson Police Department seems to have a lot of these fuckups in their employ, including the mayor (the idiot who thought it was a good idea to initiate martial law and fire tear gas at peaceful protesters).
Now to the other side of the coin: I don't care how fucked up the situation is (or was), there absolutely should never be a police action that allows looters to continue looting. What the fuck, Missouri Highway Patrol? I appreciate that Ron Johnson wants to alleviate the chaos, but he needs to realise there's a time for peacekeeping and when there's a time for actual police work. Looting is one of those times. Or am I wrong in this? When things are back to normal and the police suddenly decides to investigate the stolen goods, will they even have jurisdiction to do anything considering they were the ones who let them away with it in the first place?
I don't know. AFAIK, FUBAR.
Apparently at least one of the wounds was fatal. There was no bleeding out cause he was dead (likely so anyway before he hit the dirt).
BTW ever seen someone hit in the head with a bullet? They tend to go down in a certain way that even if it is your first time, you know they are not ever going to ever stand up again.
Ever shoot someone and have them keep coming at you? No? How about have then run a mile away from you and then drop? No? Ever do any hunting then? No?One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family’s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said.
Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.
Do you have any experience with killing anyone human or animal?
Ever been present at a riot where people were shot and cars set on fire including a fire engine? Then read about in the papers afterwards and wonder if you were reading about a different riot?“People have been asking: How many times was he shot? This information could have been released on Day 1,†Dr. Baden said in an interview after performing the autopsy. “They don’t do that, even as feelings built up among the citizenry that there was a cover-up. We are hoping to alleviate that.â€
Dr. Baden said that while Mr. Brown was shot at least six times, only three bullets were recovered from his body. But he has not yet seen the X-rays showing where the bullets were found, which would clarify the autopsy results. Nor has he had access to witness and police statements.
Sometimes, what you read in the papers has a very tenuous relationship to what really happened. Even if it is something as simple as a car accident.
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It is simple. The mentality appear to be :Satan wrote:Stupidity is far too generous.Pitchguest wrote:They should send these people back to the academy, or take away their gun license or *something.* Stupidity is rampant in all countries and in every police force, but at least in some countries those responsible for keeping the peace aren't armed with weapons that can kill you at the push of a button.
American police have come to act as if they're an occupying army to which the public must show absolute deference. Anyone who disrespects the police will be punished, one way or another.
Nothing changes because the public is indifferent to the occasional police murder, assault, or wrongful arrest as long as the victims are poor.
That is a real quote from a real police officer in Canukistan who I know personally. I would suggest that you bear that in mind with your next interaction with any police officer.Abuse of cop is a valid charge.
(I have never had a problem BTW ... even when the officer was mad and yelling at me)
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Well, however you feel about it, I think we can all agree that violence and looting are the best ways to solve the problem!Satan wrote:Stupidity is far too generous.Pitchguest wrote:They should send these people back to the academy, or take away their gun license or *something.* Stupidity is rampant in all countries and in every police force, but at least in some countries those responsible for keeping the peace aren't armed with weapons that can kill you at the push of a button.
American police have come to act as if they're an occupying army to which the public must show absolute deference. Anyone who disrespects the police will be punished, one way or another.
Nothing changes because the public is indifferent to the occasional police murder, assault, or wrongful arrest as long as the victims are poor.
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Wasn't "religious indoctrination = child abuse" something that set the baboons in a howl when Dawkins said it? Something along the lines of "rape grading". Y'know, something along the lines of "OMFG how dare he try to compare X with Y. I experienced Y and it was so much worse than anything ever. How dare he presume to speak for me me me me!"Skep tickle wrote: He closes with this (emphases added by me):Myers wrote:I didn’t experience the pain of a religious upbringing, but I did experience a science education, and I will say this: how you know something matters. If you want a mind that adapts and responds intelligently to changing evidence and circumstances, you don’t get it by telling your children to worship and obey a myth. You don’t invent imaginary heroes who were paragons of perfection and tell the kids to follow them — even if you are promoting ideals I personally find copacetic, you are committing child abuse by short-circuiting their capacity for critical and independent thinking.
Actually, while were on the subject of "rape grading" I've been musing on the idea (put forward by dogen first, I think) that the SJW's "logic" must mean that all rape is infinitely bad. Let's take two scenarios:
R1: Two people who've known each other a while (maybe had sex before) go out, get a little drunk, go home, fall asleep. Next morning, it's clear sex has occurred, but one of the two can't recall if they consented.
R2: A masked stranger abducts someone to a cabin in the woods, Then, over several days, subjects them to an array of sexual torture and humiliation, before killing them.
Now, if the SJWs are going to insist:
R1 is NOT LESS BAD than R2
Then, logically:R2 is NOT MORE BAD than R1
If we are going to allow SJW logic to govern social and legal policy. (And boy are they panting for that!) Then R1 and R2 should attract the same (presumably harsh) penalty. In which case, the message to the tiny minority of psychopathic serial-rapists out there, who commit the majority of stranger-rape is clear: Don't just rape and run. The penalty will be the same no matter what you do now. So call up some buddies (if you have any). Bring some beer and a video camera. Make a weekend of it.The only way out of this is to declare rape (R) to be infinitely bad:
R = ∞
You cannot subtract from infinity (well you can, but ∞ - 1 = ∞), but you can add to it. (At least in some fields of mathematics like hyper-real numbers that I don't understand.) So, to refer to my examples above. We could call their badness:R1 = ∞+1
R2 = ∞+2
So, the SJWs get their - apparently illogical - wish: All rape is infinitely bad, but some rapes are ∞+X worse.The slight problem with this occurs when we go back to social and legal policy. An infinitely bad crime, should attract an infinitely severe penalty. But in practice, any penalty (P) can only be finite. And as we've seem for any finite number:
∞ - P = ∞
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6 Good Reasons a Black Person Might Resist Arrest
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1. The idea that "if you didn't do anything wrong, you don't have anything to fear" does not hold true for black people. Most people who end up being exonerated for crimes they served time for, but didn't commit, are people of color.
2. Blacks routinely serve higher sentences than whites—for the same crimes.
3. Once in custody, black men are rough-handled by police more often than whites.
4. Racial profiling and bias in police departments across the country is well-documented.
5. There are many well-known cases of police torture directed at blacks in prison, such as the dozens of black Chicago inmates who were systematically tortured over a span of 20 years.
6. Scientific studies shed light on how racial bias can influence witness testimony, like this finding that race can make people "see" guns, or a reach for a gun, where no weapon was present.
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When he's done blowing his load, I am probably going to use my signature on him.Oh, the arrogance and condensation of philosophers! Who, like another lurkers' online opponent, think their mental masturbation trumps all.
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Who is that, and what has he done with PZ? Attempting to retcon his Williams post?Dick Strawkins wrote:Peezus has a post in which he discusses Alex Gabriels earlier blogpost about being a confrontationalist atheist.
Relevant section:
What?So I agree with Alex, but for different reasons…and I respect those differences. Fight on, everyone. And don’t try to demand that everyone on your side must have the very same perspective on the struggle that you do.
Respect differences?
Don't try to demand that everyone on your side must have the very same perspective on the struggle that you do?
Is he feeling OK? :?
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AKA "6 Reasons Why Law Shouldn't Apply To Black People".Guest wrote:6 Good Reasons a Black Person Might Resist Arrest
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... ric-garner
Really? All the struggle to end the Jim Crow era, and now people want different laws for different colored people back?
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Nah, see my post above about it. Myers is just trying to get to "It's okay when Alex does it" (get angry about negative effects of religion in childhood, particularly one's own childhood, and not feel subject to tone-comments due to that upbringing conveying negative privilege points), while maintaining PZ's own righteous anger at all theists and everyone he (and the "you" to whom his post is addressed) considers a "stupid philistine" in the A/S schism.Badger3k wrote:Who is that, and what has he done with PZ? Attempting to retcon his Williams post?Dick Strawkins wrote:Peezus has a post in which he discusses Alex Gabriels earlier blogpost about being a confrontationalist atheist.
Relevant section:
What?So I agree with Alex, but for different reasons…and I respect those differences. Fight on, everyone. And don’t try to demand that everyone on your side must have the very same perspective on the struggle that you do.
Respect differences?
Don't try to demand that everyone on your side must have the very same perspective on the struggle that you do?
Is he feeling OK? :?
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"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by zoe quinn."Southern wrote:I don't remember if someone posted about this before... but here it goes, its too good to pass up:
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Maybe Shermer or Radford should have claimed they owned the copyright on the allegations against them.
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Reasons for a black person to NOT resist arrest:
1. It's a felony;
2. You can end up shot.
1. It's a felony;
2. You can end up shot.
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A new striker for Newcastle United?Cunning Punt wrote:What are they looking for?James Caruthers wrote:http://media.tumblr.com/4342f9b313231a4 ... sl7frt.jpg
BTW this is what high art looks like now, enjoy it:
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Get fapping, Parsehole.
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Southern wrote: AKA "6 Reasons Why Law Shouldn't Apply To Black People".
Really? All the struggle to end the Jim Crow era, and now people want different laws for different colored people back?
The point of the article is precisely that "different laws" still apply to "different colored people", right now.
Or more precisely, the "same" laws apply differently to different colored people.
Whether or not that's a good reason to resist arrest depends on what happens if you do resist arrest.
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Capitalizing the name of the deity. Good. Good.....Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Or simply to change the emphasis: "PZ Myers wrote that. You think I agree with HIM?"Southern wrote:Dawkins lost a golden opportunity to write, "You think I AGREE w/ this fuckwit?". Next time, Richard!
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Someone posted this on the Pit some time ago, I'll repost it to increase my post count:Garlix wrote:Southern wrote: AKA "6 Reasons Why Law Shouldn't Apply To Black People".
Really? All the struggle to end the Jim Crow era, and now people want different laws for different colored people back?
The point of the article is precisely that "different laws" still apply to "different colored people", right now.
Or more precisely, the "same" laws apply differently to different colored people.
Whether or not that's a good reason to resist arrest depends on what happens if you do resist arrest.
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In short: don't resist arrest, be calm, make full use of your Miranda Rights (or whatever that's legally called), and explain yourself at the police station through your lawyer.
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So I take it she has never sat around with girls dishing on who the hot guys are.Guest wrote:Someone was trolling the tech girls on Secret today.... (wasn't me)
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The only difference is this is on the internet where she can see it and the genders are reversed.
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So I take it she has never sat around with girls dishing on who the hot guys are.Guest wrote:Someone was trolling the tech girls on Secret today.... (wasn't me)
http://i.imgur.com/L52pbHK.jpg
The only difference is this is on the internet where she can see it and the genders are reversed.
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One good reason to resist arrest. Knowing you were probably caught on camera robbing from a store.
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RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE DON'T YOU KNOW RACISM SLAVERY RABBLE RABBLE WHITE SUPREMACY MEANS LOOTING IS PUNCHING UPMatt Cavanaugh wrote:Reasons for a black person to NOT resist arrest:
1. It's a felony;
2. You can end up shot.
The thing is, your simple rules apply equally to all people of all backgrounds. If a police officer approaches me, there is a 99% chance he is approaching me because:
-he thinks I have committed a crime and wants me to incriminate myself in some way
-he thinks I have witnessed a crime and wants me to incriminate someone else
Like the video says, you stay calm and exercise your civil rights. If the officer violates your civil rights, you can lodge a protest or fight it in court, and the cop's bad behavior may get your case thrown out. Some people have decided to start filming their interactions with cops. As long as this is not illegal, go ahead. I think it's great.
We can all argue about how authoritarian US police are, and they do act like an occupying army, but this is the just how shit is. So we can arm up and overthrow the government, or we can work within the system to change it, but a bunch of black people looting stores only spreads negative racial stereotypes and lends validity to the worldview of genuine racists.
For comparison, it's probably a bad idea for feminists to fight claims of hating men with #AllMenAreRapists and #DrinkingYourMaleTears. 8-)
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And some reasons why that is harder for some to do than others:Southern wrote:Someone posted this on the Pit some time ago, I'll repost it to increase my post count:Garlix wrote:Southern wrote: AKA "6 Reasons Why Law Shouldn't Apply To Black People".
Really? All the struggle to end the Jim Crow era, and now people want different laws for different colored people back?
The point of the article is precisely that "different laws" still apply to "different colored people", right now.
Or more precisely, the "same" laws apply differently to different colored people.
Whether or not that's a good reason to resist arrest depends on what happens if you do resist arrest.
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In short: don't resist arrest, be calm, make full use of your Miranda Rights (or whatever that's legally called), and explain yourself at the police station through your lawyer.
http://www.popehat.com/2014/01/15/the-p ... o-shut-up/
(Yes, I know popehat is somewhat unpopular here and it uses the verboten word "Privilege." He still makes some good points there. Not that you shouldnt shutup, but in understanding why some people will find it harder to follow that advice than others.)
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FTFY.Dave wrote: (Yes, I knowpopehata lawyer is somewhat unpopular here and it uses the verboten word "Privilege." He still makes some good points there. Not that you shouldnt shutup, but in understanding why some people will find it harder to follow that advice than others.)
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So, if I may pretend to be a sociologist...Garlix wrote:Southern wrote: AKA "6 Reasons Why Law Shouldn't Apply To Black People".
Really? All the struggle to end the Jim Crow era, and now people want different laws for different colored people back?
The point of the article is precisely that "different laws" still apply to "different colored people", right now.
Or more precisely, the "same" laws apply differently to different colored people.
Whether or not that's a good reason to resist arrest depends on what happens if you do resist arrest.
1) People get satisfaction from a variety of things. Normally, it is very satisfying to feel powerful when compared to others. We are social and so everyone gets a rating within the group.
2) Young people model their behavior by their parents, family, and peers. It should be expected that a child will learn to get their feelings of social power from those closest to them. Pretty obvious I'd say.
3) People who live in conically poor and under educated places sometimes obtain their social power by taking on the role of a rebel. Why not? You don't have that much to lose, and you can score big time social point with your peers.
So, resisting arrest is as much a part of the culture of Mr. Brown as it is my culture to not resist. He feels satisfied and powerful when he is fighting with cops. I get it. It is a risky way to get your satisfaction, but he doesn't have as many choices as I do. If grew up surrounded by friends and family who were powerful because they could raise some rug-rats, and save some money for retirement, and take vacation, and have a hobby they could master.
Certainly, at least part of the reason we have more crime in the US compared to others is that we have a history of finding power by sticking it to the man. Jessie James is a fucking hero for fuck's sake. I mean... WTF? How does this even make sense? And remember, Jessie James was a hero before television or radio. Wild West books sold like hot cakes on every corner in the late 1800s. This shit is part of our culture. Sure... it sucks... but I am not so sure I have a very good solution. Asking the cops to be nicer can help once in a while, but cultural change is slow. It is also pretty naive to think our problems are just plain "racism." History, culture, and race blend together quite a bit.
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meant to write:
I grew up surrounded by friends and family who were powerful because they could raise some rug-rats, and save some money for retirement, and take vacation, and have a hobby they could master.
I grew up surrounded by friends and family who were powerful because they could raise some rug-rats, and save some money for retirement, and take vacation, and have a hobby they could master.
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The stuff in the original Zoepost was from what I could see basically "Zoe is a lying, manipulative cheating bitch!" - it was the sort of stuff you might rant to your friends about... it wasn't the sort of stuff that should've been put online for everyone to read. It really had no relevance to the rest of the world - the "Zoe slept with reviewers to get good scores!" angle that some seem to play at is quite unsubstantiated, since none of the named men by the looks of things have actually reviewed her game.paddybrown wrote:"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by zoe quinn."Southern wrote:I don't remember if someone posted about this before... but here it goes, its too good to pass up:
[youtube]O5CXOafuTXM[/youtube]
Maybe Shermer or Radford should have claimed they owned the copyright on the allegations against them.
This shit isn't even relevant to her SJWism/feminism, she cheated on her BF... and? It's not like her SJWism/feminism is incompatible with that (hell, knowing SJWs they'd probably say "YOU GO GURL!!!"), unlike fundie Christians preachers and deeply conservative Republican politicians who get caught with gay prostitutes etc. The conclusion I drew from the "zoepost" site is that she might* be an asshole... but unless you're in a position to have a relationship with her, who cares?
*After all, so far we only have the pissed off ex-bf's version of events....
Now, DMCAing youtube videos... that's a whole other can of worms. There was absolutely nothing in that video that warranted a DMCA, the one snapshot of the game that was used falls clearly within fair use. That's plainly using DMCAs to censor someones free speech, and unlike fucking around and cheating, that is a pretty big deal. Esp. coming from a indie dev, who have NO excuse at all to be unaware about how big companies have been abusing DMCAs to silence youtube reviewers, and how much harm a unrefuted DMCA strike can do to a channel.
(The audio from the video has been reuploaded here)
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Except that there is nothing novel or unique in those worthy concepts, metaphors, and images.Steersman wrote:snip
Yea, well, while I’ll agree that there is much in the Bible that “makes no senseâ€, and that qualifies as barbarism, ignorance, and savagery, I think one might argue that there are intimations and intuitions in it that are worth retaining – something which even Dawkins concedes in listing [in The God Delusion] some two pages [#384 & #385] of worthwhile concepts and metaphors and images.
I attended a funeral over the weekend, and tried hard not to shout out "bollocks" when the Minister brought up that old furphy that there is just as much evidence for the resurrection as there is for the existence of Julius Caesar.
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I've been following those links in the Mother Jones article, and a cursory review of them indicates that each of the 6 claims made in the article are based on either faulty statistical analysis or isolated anecdotes.
One story involved an allegedly innocent man who violently resisted arrest by kicking & punching, was accordingly tazed, and died of an heart attack. This highlight the recklessness of MoJo encouraging black men to resist arrest. This dangerous advice is much like the feminist resistance to teaching young women to take precautions vs. rape, and is the shenanigans with statistics.
One story involved an allegedly innocent man who violently resisted arrest by kicking & punching, was accordingly tazed, and died of an heart attack. This highlight the recklessness of MoJo encouraging black men to resist arrest. This dangerous advice is much like the feminist resistance to teaching young women to take precautions vs. rape, and is the shenanigans with statistics.
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Shut up, ghirltony.bhoytony wrote:Hey, leave Clarence alone!Really? wrote: The FTBoners talk about the Pit the way 15-year-old virgin dudes talk about sex with their friends.
"Oh, yeah, brah. I was, like, pushing again--into it? Right? And that vagina was all warm--it's gonna be warm, I'm sure--and soaked like a warm washcloth when you're taking a shower. And when the whole thing was done, her body...moved?"
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The One Ring?Cunning Punt wrote:What are they looking for?James Caruthers wrote:http://media.tumblr.com/4342f9b313231a4 ... sl7frt.jpg
BTW this is what high art looks like now, enjoy it:
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Get fapping, Parsehole.
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Just remember that for all the genuine complaints about all the icky writing and some of the kinky sex, it's really Christian Grey who is the damaged one, and by the end of the trilogy he's totally wrapped around Anastasia's finger and of course they get hitched.Dick Strawkins wrote:Heina tries to clarify her trolling post in the comments:
So if you hate gossip mags or duckface pictures you are a misogynist.Misogyny is hatred of women. Hating things associated with women would be a subset of that.
She also includes the mommy-porn rape fantasy novel 'Fifty Shades of Grey' in her list.
The only thing I can't understand about her post is the fact that she left the 'Sex in the City' movies off her list!
:think:
It very much is the female fantasy of grabbing an 'alpha' male via being mysterious (because romance heroines tend not to have very developed personalities so that the readers can pretend it is them) and taming him.
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Clarence cannot be tamed.
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"How not to do a pia..." This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Stowarzyszenie Pro Bono Musicae.Jan Steen wrote:If you want to conduct a master class you first of all need to be a master. But you also need patience, lots of patience.
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Lock up your videos, everybody's getting DMCAed in here.
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This here is for all the Lousy Canucks in this place:
http://www.macleans.ca/authors/scott-fe ... oliteness/
http://www.macleans.ca/authors/scott-fe ... oliteness/
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I couldn't help but notice that there was no mention of misandrist "humor" being out of bounds.
Apparently some humans are a bit more equal and protected than others.
On the other hand perhaps Fark is saying " yes we will protect you little delicate flowers of womanhood, but us manly men,...unlike you we can take it."
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Read this woman's take:Spike13 wrote:
I couldn't help but notice that there was no mention of misandrist "humor" being out of bounds.
Apparently some humans are a bit more equal and protected than others.
On the other hand perhaps Fark is saying " yes we will protect you little delicate flowers of womanhood, but us manly men,...unlike you we can take it."
http://www.fark.com/comments/8378910/92500324#c92500324
http://i.imgur.com/Yskudsj.jpg
,,,
There are many other women there who express the same sentiment. (And many more cheering this move on.)
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Spike:
"It's not misandry. It's 'ironic' misandry."
Although at this point I'd argue it's ICONIC misandry.
Makes me wonder what caused Fark to finally decide they needed a fix.
"It's not misandry. It's 'ironic' misandry."
Although at this point I'd argue it's ICONIC misandry.
Makes me wonder what caused Fark to finally decide they needed a fix.
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Mr./Mz. Guest:
That is exactly the point behind most of the #WomenAgainstFeminism tag. And the point behind most of the Honey Badgers (of Honey Badger Radio fame)
That is exactly the point behind most of the #WomenAgainstFeminism tag. And the point behind most of the Honey Badgers (of Honey Badger Radio fame)
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Well, just got my computer unpacked, but no internet of my own as yet. So, I'm borrowing some dude's wifi for a few days. Thank you dude, I promise I'll only visit legal sites.
I am totally out of the loop... can someone give me one of those quick rundown thingies for say the last week?
I am totally out of the loop... can someone give me one of those quick rundown thingies for say the last week?
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Some of the best selling books out there have been housefrau porn.Clarence wrote:Just remember that for all the genuine complaints about all the icky writing and some of the kinky sex, it's really Christian Grey who is the damaged one, and by the end of the trilogy he's totally wrapped aroundDick Strawkins wrote:Heina tries to clarify her trolling post in the comments:
So if you hate gossip mags or duckface pictures you are a misogynist.Misogyny is hatred of women. Hating things associated with women would be a subset of that.
She also includes the mommy-porn rape fantasy novel 'Fifty Shades of Grey' in her list.
The only thing I can't understand about her post is the fact that she left the 'Sex in the City' movies off her list!
:think:
Anastasia's finger and of course they get hitched.
It very much is the female fantasy of grabbing an 'alpha' male via being mysterious (because romance heroines tend not to have very developed personalities so that the readers can pretend it is them) and taming him.
Frankly, I'm sure the author could care less what people say about their writing while sitting on a mountain of money inside heir solid gold house.
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Yeah no. I've read lots of harsh criticisms of Plato but they are done by people who have actually bothered to fucking engage the text. Be Tee Dub, swearing doesn't automatically indicate hurt feelings.Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Seems I hurt your fee-fees by trashing the book that made such a big impact on you as a youth.
In this case it isn't even nuanced, just massive fucking ignorance that is trying to squeak by with some bravado. People who want to drag out that shitty metaphor usually only do it to justify why they are saying punishingly stupid things.Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Just as only a person lacking any sense of fashion taste could fail to appreciate the exquisiteness of the emperor's new clothes, only a shithead could fail to appreciate the nuanced nuances of philosophy, eh?
It is amazing how easily you conflate my calling your opinions shitty and without any merit with the phantom position you aren't allowed to have them. It is more about you expressing them and then me pointing out just how unfounded they are. Name drop all you want, but I'm getting the nagging suspicion you probably don't know shit about any of them either.Matt Cavanaugh wrote:I got news for you: I get to think Plato was a gonk, his ideas inane. I can like much of Popper, some Kant & Leibniz, and consider Marcus Aurelius sublime, while also finding Rousseau deluded, Locke jejeune, and Descartes all over the map. And those can be reasoned, informed opinions. I also get to not care much at all for philosophy, considering it even more of a waste of time than attending a soccer match or a poetry recital.
PROTIP: Calling you names is not the same thing as an Ad Hominem. One is for making fun of you and the other is an argumentative strategy.Matt Cavanaugh wrote:If you persist in leveling ad homs at me for my audacity to hold an opinion variant from yours, then fuck off I'm just putting you on ignore.
What I've been doing is the former, not the latter. The cause behind this ridicule is the amount of confidence you have in what little you know. Opinions get respected because of the work that goes into forming them, you've probably done all of jack shit in this case. Had your attitude been more along the lines of "I don't care much for modern philosophy, I didn't like what I read so I moved" then I'd never had said anything. Since you lack anything resembling modesty about what you think you know, Imma keep talkin' down to ya
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Hold on there cowboy, that turns out to be a pretty shitty assumption. Modern philosophy really isn't that monolithic and the meta-philosophy is going to differ drastically depending on certain individuals or schools. The nearest thing the above comes to that is modern would be something like Existentialism but that is probably what you don't have in mind.Matt Cavanaugh wrote:But if you really want to "go over specifics," then answer me this:
Assuming that modern philosophy is a search for answers & understanding,
Do you mean the kind of philosophy that typically goes on in most Universities in the English speaking world? Sometimes they call it analytic and the answer still is going to depend. For some like W.V.O. Quine, the sort of task is to make philosophy continuous with science by providing analysis on method. Please go down this route because it'll really fuck you up.
Besides the analytic route there is always the distinct American philosophy starting with William James and C. S. Peirce and giving us such peeps as John Dewey and Richard Rorty.
Lets not forget the Continental side, with such things as Phenomenology, Philosophical Hermeneutics, and Critical Theory (the last one is what provides most of the SJW crew with their vocab).
I'm all about answering those two questions for you, but we need to narrow things down a bit. Out of those above, what do you want me to talk about?
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Shit happened. More shit happened.Gumby wrote:Well, just got my computer unpacked, but no internet of my own as yet. So, I'm borrowing some dude's wifi for a few days. Thank you dude, I promise I'll only visit legal sites.
I am totally out of the loop... can someone give me one of those quick rundown thingies for say the last week?
Peezus made an ass of himself in regards to Ferguson, MO. Others expressed dissent, and were quietly squelched.
Dawkins capitulated a little and got a "Good Boy" biscuit from Ophie for stopping with the talk of social problems (such as "rape grader OH-EM-GEE"), as it was not in "his lane" as an expert. I shudder to think who the experts of rape really are.
A collaborative shoop was done between Jan Steen, paddybrown, and I, where the true nature of Peezus' place of employment was revealed (check baboonapalooza, should still be there).
Uh that should be about it.
I skimmed a bunch of shit though, 'cuz I'm not into philosophers/philosophy the way some folks are. :whistle:
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:clap: Good on them! :clap:Guest wrote:Read this woman's take:Spike13 wrote:
I couldn't help but notice that there was no mention of misandrist "humor" being out of bounds.
Apparently some humans are a bit more equal and protected than others.
On the other hand perhaps Fark is saying " yes we will protect you little delicate flowers of womanhood, but us manly men,...unlike you we can take it."
http://www.fark.com/comments/8378910/92500324#c92500324
http://i.imgur.com/Yskudsj.jpg
,,,
There are many other women there who express the same sentiment. (And many more cheering this move on.)
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At the time this was true and why I was on PZs side. The Accommodationists were saying the main game was evolution denial and saying religion is silly scares people away. The other (PZ) side said that people react differently some need to be made angry by the more aggressive atheists, while others like the gentler approach.Dick Strawkins wrote:Peezus has a post in which he discusses Alex Gabriels earlier blogpost about being a confrontationalist atheist.
Relevant section:
What?So I agree with Alex, but for different reasons…and I respect those differences. Fight on, everyone. And don’t try to demand that everyone on your side must have the very same perspective on the struggle that you do.
Respect differences?
Don't try to demand that everyone on your side must have the very same perspective on the struggle that you do?
Is he feeling OK? :?
Stories by Ex-Theists seem to agree that there is no one size fits all.
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:popcorn:ShameMaggot wrote::cdc:Matt Cavanaugh wrote: :hankey:
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Heina = very very dumb.Dick Strawkins wrote:Heina tries to clarify her trolling post in the comments:
So if you hate gossip mags or duckface pictures you are a misogynist.Misogyny is hatred of women. Hating things associated with women would be a subset of that.
She also includes the mommy-porn rape fantasy novel 'Fifty Shades of Grey' in her list.
The only thing I can't understand about her post is the fact that she left the 'Sex in the City' movies off her list!
:think:
Not sure whether she's dumber than Simple Amy - it's a close call.
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Seems to me, atheism and anti-theism are largely based on the same line of thought.didymos wrote:Whatever, Jason. I don't actually give much of shit about atheism.
If you reject theism, you become an atheist.
If you reject the real life consequences of theism, you become an anti-theist.
Seems to me, most atheists are at least to some agree anti-theists, if they oppose things like teaching creationism as science, the divisiveness of faith schools, limiting abortion rights based on religion, denying climate change on religious grounds etc... which makes the big orgs anti-theistic as well, through their strict secular orientation.
Infact, the only "atheist" I know of who doesn't oppose religious influence on public life at least in some way, is that SE Cupp person, of which I'm not sure whether she's a troll or not.
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Only thing of note: Phil got drunk.Gumby wrote:Well, just got my computer unpacked, but no internet of my own as yet. So, I'm borrowing some dude's wifi for a few days. Thank you dude, I promise I'll only visit legal sites.
I am totally out of the loop... can someone give me one of those quick rundown thingies for say the last week?
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Here's a pretty good article about the Whitehead case:katamari Damassi wrote:That's okay because it's punching up. Just like that British soldier who was beheaded by a couple of muslims in London(whom Melissa McEwan expressed sympathy for). They're protesting their oppression and it's not like white males are individual persons, they're just symbols.Tribble wrote:
Where was his rage for James Whitehead? The white guy killed by a black policeman. Gunned down in a parking lot. With multiple witnesses testifying that there was no physical altercation (though there was a shouting match) and the cop did not have a badge so there was no proof he was a cop.
His punishment? Suspended without pay. Oh, my.First to testify was Dr. Tommy Brown, the Jefferson County forensic pathologist who performed the autopsy on Whitehead.
He said the cause of death was a gunshot wound to the chest. The gun was 6 to 8 inches away from Whitehead's chest when he was shot, Brown said, and both amphetamines and traces of marijuana were in the dead man's blood.
From what he could tell, Brown said, Whitehead probably was sitting in his truck when he was shot.
So, cry me a river over the Brown thing. A white man getting gunned down by a black man in a parking lot is OK in SJW land. When all forms of this kind of extreme police misconduct and brutality get the outrage machine, maybe I'll give a fuck about what some drama queen like Myers has to say.
http://www.texasobserver.org/james-whit ... ay-orange/
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Weren't these people supposed to be our future ? I'm afraid I have to rethink my position on eugenics.
Weren't these people supposed to be our future ? I'm afraid I have to rethink my position on eugenics.