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#PCAC discussion

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:43 pm
by justinvacula
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I spoke with Sara Grove -- a presenter at the 2013 Pennsylvania Counseling Association conference (#PCAC) -- concerning men's issues, feminism, sexual assault, consent, concerns for LGBT individuals, career choices, online communication, social justice, and other topics. Enjoy!

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:45 pm
by Tony Parsehole
ReneeHendricks wrote:Oh, man! After a long day of working, reading that new post by Szvanity was just what I needed to laugh my ass off! The sheer amount of time that woman put into making that "oh, look how mean they are to me - what do you mean just block, ignore, and move on?" post complete with Storified tweets and an extensive search here is *mind boggling*.

Thank you, Szvanity! Keep up the hilarity!
She spends 3 days obsessively looking at Tweets she wasn't mentioned in, by people she blocked and then she cries harassment. It's like using a telephoto lens to spy on your neighbour and then phoning the police because you saw their cock in the bath.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:45 pm
by BarnOwl
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Somehow reminds me of the old-fashioned clothes wringer my grandma had.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:45 pm
by Aneris
Tweeting at someone who don't want it is considered harassment as we have learned. But talking about someone without tweeting them directly is even worse, as commenter Tom Foss informs everyone.
Tom Foss wrote:It was such an obvious joke that they made at your expense behind your back, and if you weren’t so vain as to search your own name which obviously no one does (except silly flighty women with their vanity and all) you never would have known about it.
You've got to have rationalisazions for everything. Why don't they just spill it out as it is: they want to vilify everyone on their blogs and comment sections, but as soon it's turned on them, it's harassment or some other crime, no matter in which way, or where it happens.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:46 pm
by Tony Parsehole
Oh my god.
I just came.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:57 pm
by Ape+lust
Tony Parsehole wrote:
Oh my god.
I just came.
Maybe now she'll notice. I didn't make her list. More importantly, GEFAN didn't make her list. This lazy_savant weirdo makes one wisecrack and she goes batshit and rounds up everybody... but no Gefan.

He makes them look so stupid I feel sorry for Nazis. It's Gefan, Stephanie, G-E-F-A-N.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:04 pm
by Gumby
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:04 pm
by free thoughtpolice
Thanks for the heads up on how to find her response, it took a lot of slogging through some pretty tepid, although extensive alleged evidence to get to her even more tepid answer.


I am very sorry for your trauma, whatever your name is. I hope that PZ took immediate steps when you brought this to his attention to make sure no broken bottles would actually be allowed in the Thunderdome, his open comment thread.

And that’s where things stand at the moment. So, that should answer that question.
Actually, the SJW that threatened me lives in Canada, possibly beyond PZ's jurisdiction, so I considered reporting to actual authorities as anyone that really took it seriously would. But then I remembered that feminist scholars have asserted that reporting crimes to the police is the wrong thing to do.
Another incident that discouraged me from reporting to the patriarchy was a certain alleged "principled" person called Chris Clarke that told me to suck it up that that hellion wouldn't come through the computer screen and cut me, then proceeded to ban ME, instead of the person using the nym "Tethys" that made a felony terrorist threat against me.
That question really hasn't been answered.
When you say that is where things stand at the moment, do you mean we are now considering the threats made against you as legitimate but I should ignore the ones against me because I haven't notified PZ?
I look forward to you clearing this matter up Steph!

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:06 pm
by Suet Cardigan
Really? wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:The real problem with that Dragoncon event is that we didn't have someone like Rebecca Watson there, providing the kind of high minded and classy example for which she is deservedly famous.

[youtube]3GZNGLwYVcY[/youtube]
Is that really RW? The glasses look like hers. You have GOT to be shitting me. The woman literally brands another man's skin (yes, with marker that will wash off eventually), but has made tens of thousands of dollars off of being propositioned on an elevator.

Do I have this straight? Scribbling on a man's ass = okay.
Including someone in an @ tweet = harassment that causes PTSD.

Amazing.
It's definitely Watson. She autographs asses too.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:16 pm
by Lsuoma
Who's the bloke?

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:18 pm
by Really?
Suet Cardigan wrote:
Really? wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:The real problem with that Dragoncon event is that we didn't have someone like Rebecca Watson there, providing the kind of high minded and classy example for which she is deservedly famous.

[youtube]3GZNGLwYVcY[/youtube]
Is that really RW? The glasses look like hers. You have GOT to be shitting me. The woman literally brands another man's skin (yes, with marker that will wash off eventually), but has made tens of thousands of dollars off of being propositioned on an elevator.

Do I have this straight? Scribbling on a man's ass = okay.
Including someone in an @ tweet = harassment that causes PTSD.

Amazing.
It's definitely Watson. She autographs asses too.
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Freaking amazing. Maybe we should all have a day where we change our Twitter icons/Facebook images, etc. to the image of Beckybooze. You know, like they do for marriage equality or breast cancer. (But not for prostate cancer for some reason.)

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:24 pm
by Ape+lust
Lsuoma wrote:
Who's the bloke?
That's Lazy_Savant, the twitter-er who said he wants to wear Stephanie's skin.

http://i.imgur.com/s4YTrCi.jpg
BarnOwl wrote: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Somehow reminds me of the old-fashioned clothes wringer my grandma had.
Gumby wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Thanks guys! :D :D :D :dance:

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:25 pm
by feralandproud
Seems as though someones feathers got a little ruffled. Guess I've gotta eat my hat now. I'll get on that twitter thing tomorrow if it's still going on.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:25 pm
by free thoughtpolice
Gefan: I love your videos. You have incredible talent, but you never get recognition.
You need an agent. Her is the sort of rave review you need to achieve success.
PZ Myers

November 8, 2013 at 8:05 pm (UTC -6)

Oh, deary me. I was so concerned that I quickly opened up my site control panel and made absolutely sure that abear was solidly banned. Don’t worry about him, he’s safe now.
Great art is more than making beautiful things, you need to get your hands dirty and promote your work! :clap:

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:27 pm
by justinvacula

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:28 pm
by AndrewV69
Ape+lust wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:
Oh my god.
I just came.
Maybe now she'll notice. I didn't make her list. More importantly, GEFAN didn't make her list. This lazy_savant weirdo makes one wisecrack and she goes batshit and rounds up everybody... but no Gefan.

He makes them look so stupid I feel sorry for Nazis. It's Gefan, Stephanie, G-E-F-A-N.
As I recall Hitler touched upon something of the sort when he was interviewed about his casting in the role of Myers.

You could see it in his face (actually his whole demeanour betrayed the fact that he was still emotionally exhausted and spent), his weary, fatalistic acceptance that Hollywood was going to shy away from performance because he had succeeded beyond his expectations in portraying the PeeZuss experience.

The awful reality, the chilling realization, that anyone, anyone who came close enough would cross the event horizon, the point of no return where escape is quite simply impossible and one is simply sucked into the black hole to be one within the singularity.

This is an uncomfortable truth for anyone to possess so we must not condemn them too harshly. It is one thing to be unable to escape. It is quite another to understand this. No, no I say, it is far better to believe that you stay there of your own choice rather than acknowledge that your own stupidity led you into the morass in the first place, and from which you can never return, as much as you would like to.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:47 pm
by Sarlug
Haha, I just saw a bunch of SJWs throwing shitfits on Twitter because Conan O'Brian made a crack about the new Muslim superheroine having more powers than her husband's other wives. How do people this hypersensitive manage to get through the day without hanging themselves?

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:54 pm
by Lsuoma
Ape+lust wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
Who's the bloke?
That's Lazy_Savant, the twitter-er who said he wants to wear Stephanie's skin.

http://i.imgur.com/s4YTrCi.jpg
BarnOwl wrote: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Somehow reminds me of the old-fashioned clothes wringer my grandma had.
Gumby wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Thanks guys! :D :D :D :dance:
Thanks. This is a Saturday Night Winner.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:08 pm
by Plonk
I'm going to have to side with Svan on this latest craziness. LazySavant's "woman suit" tweet was way out of line, and his videos of knife sharpening are probably nightmare material for Stephanie. I wouldn't blame her at all for contacting the police.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:09 pm
by John D
Ok. So this is a really odd and lame video... but it cracks me up... so... here you go... Dog Police!
[youtube]0359hSerDeE[/youtube]

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:10 pm
by ReneeHendricks
Plonk wrote:I'm going to have to side with Svan on this latest craziness. LazySavant's "woman suit" tweet was way out of line, and his videos of knife sharpening are probably nightmare material for Stephanie. I wouldn't blame her at all for contacting the police.
The thing is, I agree as well. What I'm left wondering, however, is why she's actively digging for more of the same? You see the shit, you block the shit, and you move the fuck on. LS is fucking creepy and an ass. He's *loving* the attention and that's it. You'd think Szvanity would figure that out.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:14 pm
by Guest

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:29 pm
by John Greg
Andrew said (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 56#p141156):
The awful reality, the chilling realization, that anyone, anyone who came close enough would cross the event horizon, the point of no return where escape is quite simply impossible and one is simply sucked into the black hole to be one within the singularity Pharyngularity.
FTFY.

:)

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:43 pm
by James Caruthers
Really? wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:The real problem with that Dragoncon event is that we didn't have someone like Rebecca Watson there, providing the kind of high minded and classy example for which she is deservedly famous.

[youtube]3GZNGLwYVcY[/youtube]
Is that really RW? The glasses look like hers. You have GOT to be shitting me. The woman literally brands another man's skin (yes, with marker that will wash off eventually), but has made tens of thousands of dollars off of being propositioned on an elevator.

Do I have this straight? Scribbling on a man's ass = okay.
Including someone in an @ tweet = harassment that causes PTSD.

Amazing.
To be fair, the dumbass simp in the video probably volunteered. "Please, my red-haired goddess! Please write on my ass!" I'd say it was PZ, but the arse isn't nearly hairy enough. Also, that ass should be against youtube's anti-porn rules. :lol:

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:44 pm
by Aneris
ReneeHendricks wrote:
Plonk wrote:I'm going to have to side with Svan on this latest craziness. LazySavant's "woman suit" tweet was way out of line, and his videos of knife sharpening are probably nightmare material for Stephanie. I wouldn't blame her at all for contacting the police.
The thing is, I agree as well. What I'm left wondering, however, is why she's actively digging for more of the same? You see the shit, you block the shit, and you move the fuck on. LS is fucking creepy and an ass. He's *loving* the attention and that's it. You'd think Szvanity would figure that out.
I found it creepy, too. Yet, when I see it is immediately made into a Slymepit thing, my reaction isn't caving in and somehow accept her interpretation. Especially since their side has choked communication alltogether, I have no desire lending the few sentences that get through to demagogues and manipulators.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:49 pm
by Ape+lust
Guest wrote:Being A Feminist Is A Privilege
http://thoughtcatalog.com/chelsea-fagan ... privilege/
Good heavens. That non-academic minimum wage slave writes better than Marcotte, 99% of FtB, and all of Skepchick/Shakesville. I hope she's got the energy to deal with the shitheads when they dogpile her. Hats off to a truly independent feminist.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:57 pm
by clownshoe
Aneris wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:
Plonk wrote:I'm going to have to side with Svan on this latest craziness. LazySavant's "woman suit" tweet was way out of line, and his videos of knife sharpening are probably nightmare material for Stephanie. I wouldn't blame her at all for contacting the police.
The thing is, I agree as well. What I'm left wondering, however, is why she's actively digging for more of the same? You see the shit, you block the shit, and you move the fuck on. LS is fucking creepy and an ass. He's *loving* the attention and that's it. You'd think Szvanity would figure that out.
I found it creepy, too. Yet, when I see it is immediately made into a Slymepit thing, my reaction isn't caving in and somehow accept her interpretation. Especially since their side has choked communication alltogether, I have no desire lending the few sentences that get through to demagogues and manipulators.
I want to know why my tweet is included on her page?
My tweet was calling bullshit on LazySavant's claims that because he never @'d her, she shouldn't call him a harasser. Since she didn't include the LazySavant tweet I responded to, my tweet is out of context but hopefully clearly isn't an example of harassment.

LazySavant's tweet is a Jerry Coyne level of utter stupid.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:00 pm
by clownshoe
LOL sorry Professor Coyne, I meant Jerry Conlon.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:10 pm
by ConcentratedH2O, OM
Tony Parsehole wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:I'm trying to get as many Twitter people involved in Svan's new post to change their Twitter names to "Svan Has A Sad" and their avatars to Myra Hindley.
Not for any particular reason. I just think it's funny that if you change something on Twitter it alters Zvan's blogpost too.
May this come to pass.
Have a look at the post now.
Lovely!

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:43 pm
by Aneris
clownshoe wrote:
Aneris wrote: <inner quotes removed>
I found it creepy, too. Yet, when I see it is immediately made into a Slymepit thing, my reaction isn't caving in and somehow accept her interpretation. Especially since their side has choked communication alltogether, I have no desire lending the few sentences that get through to demagogues and manipulators.
I want to know why my tweet is included on her page?
My tweet was calling bullshit on LazySavant's claims that because he never @'d her, she shouldn't call him a harasser. Since she didn't include the LazySavant tweet I responded to, my tweet is out of context but hopefully clearly isn't an example of harassment.

LazySavant's tweet is a Jerry Coyne Conlon level of utter stupid.
Indeed, why us anyone on her page?

1) some dude makes a tasteless tweet
2) Zvan blames the slymepit
3) Slymepit is pissed off, some back and forth
4) Zvan takes samples from Slymepit to justify her means.
5) Commentariat doesn't notice anything, no critical though whatsoever.
Authoritarians Summary wrote:describes the lack of logic in their thinking; when they like the conclusion, how that conclusion was arrived at is irrelevant. When they like the behaver, the behavior is acceptable; when they dislike the behaver, the behavior is not. [...] He then goes on to describe high Social Dominators. These people want power, and they don’t much care how they get it. “The end justifies the means” is their guiding principle.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:40 pm
by Steersman
Aneris wrote:
clownshoe wrote:
Aneris wrote: <inner quotes removed>
I found it creepy, too. Yet, when I see it is immediately made into a Slymepit thing, my reaction isn't caving in and somehow accept her interpretation. Especially since their side has choked communication alltogether, I have no desire lending the few sentences that get through to demagogues and manipulators.
I want to know why my tweet is included on her page?
My tweet was calling bullshit on LazySavant's claims that because he never @'d her, she shouldn't call him a harasser. Since she didn't include the LazySavant tweet I responded to, my tweet is out of context but hopefully clearly isn't an example of harassment.

LazySavant's tweet is a Jerry Coyne Conlon level of utter stupid.
Indeed, why [is] anyone [of us?] on her page?
1) some dude makes a tasteless tweet
2) Zvan blames the slymepit
3) Slymepit is pissed off, some back and forth
4) Zvan takes samples from Slymepit to justify her means.
5) Commentariat doesn't notice anything, no critical though whatsoever.
Authoritarians Summary wrote:describes the lack of logic in their thinking; when they like the conclusion, how that conclusion was arrived at is irrelevant. When they like the behaver, the behavior is acceptable; when they dislike the behaver, the behavior is not. [...] He then goes on to describe high Social Dominators. These people want power, and they don’t much care how they get it. “The end justifies the means” is their guiding principle.
Good question.

But maybe somewhat apropos, I’ve probably quoted this a couple of times here, but I think it bears repeating; it’s something from Shermer’s The Believing Brain:
Shermer wrote:As we saw in the previous chapter, politics is filled with self-justifying rationalizations. Democrats see the world through liberal-tinted glasses, while Republicans filter it through conservative shaded glasses. When you listen to both “conservative talk radio” and “progressive talk radio” you will hear current events interpreted in ways that are 180 degrees out of phase. So incongruent are the interpretations of even the simplest goings-on in the daily news that you wonder if they can possibly be talking about the same event. [pg 263] [my emphasis]
I certainly think “our” side has the high ground, largely as a result of a forthright and commendable commitment to “free speech” and open discussion boards. But one can’t help but get the impression that, at times, at least some of “our” positions have an element of that “the end justifies the means”, of a similar “lack of logic”. You may wish to review Lewis Carroll’s story “What the Tortise Said to Achilles”, but the point seems to be that very different assumptions – kind of the nature of the beast – tend to lead to very different conclusions and to be rather problematic at best. Not sure how “we” can get over that hurdle. Although I'll certainly argue that free speech is a necessary precursor.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:56 pm
by Dick Strawkins
Aneris wrote:
clownshoe wrote:
Aneris wrote: <inner quotes removed>
I found it creepy, too. Yet, when I see it is immediately made into a Slymepit thing, my reaction isn't caving in and somehow accept her interpretation. Especially since their side has choked communication alltogether, I have no desire lending the few sentences that get through to demagogues and manipulators.
I want to know why my tweet is included on her page?
My tweet was calling bullshit on LazySavant's claims that because he never @'d her, she shouldn't call him a harasser. Since she didn't include the LazySavant tweet I responded to, my tweet is out of context but hopefully clearly isn't an example of harassment.

LazySavant's tweet is a Jerry Coyne Conlon level of utter stupid.
Indeed, why us anyone on her page?

1) some dude makes a tasteless tweet
2) Zvan blames the slymepit
3) Slymepit is pissed off, some back and forth
4) Zvan takes samples from Slymepit to justify her means.
5) Commentariat doesn't notice anything, no critical though whatsoever.
Authoritarians Summary wrote:describes the lack of logic in their thinking; when they like the conclusion, how that conclusion was arrived at is irrelevant. When they like the behaver, the behavior is acceptable; when they dislike the behaver, the behavior is not. [...] He then goes on to describe high Social Dominators. These people want power, and they don’t much care how they get it. “The end justifies the means” is their guiding principle.
The thing I noticed right at the outset of the schism was the fact that they really do see the whole thing as a battle of good and evil. Any insult made against someone on their team is unjustified (since they are good) and all insults against them are grouped together, hence a peurile act of calling one of them fat, ugly or stupid, is conflated with the worst a troll can fling - death wishes, threats etc.
And any insults made against any of their ideological opponents is really an opposition to evil and so totally justified.
In this way you can have Steph Svan and Ophelia Benson, two D-list bloggers with A-list self images, spending their days flinging insults far and wide (calling people shits, liars, rape supporters, stupid etc) and yet any splashback from people they have childishly insulted is instantly considered blasphemy against their holy name.
I try to avoid making jokes or insults based purely on appearances but I hope that any reasonable person can see a difference between those kind of jokes and genuine death threats and therefore realise the danger in pretending they are in some way equal ("I seriously think we should phone the FBI".) To equate them is to show a disgusting level of disregard for genuine cases of harassment that involve threats of violence.
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Great American Satan

November 8, 2013 at 11:14 pm (UTC -6)

“Just a fat joke” is a pretty loathsome defense, especially since the substance of the joke is about total dehumanization unto death. Hm, random google result about the relationship between being fat and thinking about death: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/121972.php … Yes, “just a fat joke,” totally harmless… *hurk*

These asshats push every button in a guy with their utter disregard for human lives, and when someone like Tethys finally blows up a little and gives a fraction of the evil back that these guys put out, they crow about it like, “oh, see, they’re so wicked and evil. Two sides!” I, like Tethys, find it extremely difficult to refrain from using the language of violence with these creeps. And so I will stop talking now.
They come across as mentally unhinged.
I don't think Svan does, though.
She is an evil manipulator who enjoys twisting those idiots around her fingers.
But Svan, as I know you are reading this, I think you should be aware, you might fool some of the FTB sycophants all of the time, but anyone with any sense has seen though your crass machiavellian schemes long ago. The atheist/skeptical community has a lot of people with sense; all you've done is purged them from your side.

You think we should care more about childish jokes made about you by random people we don't know, rather than threats of violence and comparisons of ourselves to terrorist bombers made by your own supporters (and hosted by you on your blog)?
Really?

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:57 pm
by James Caruthers
From Zvanatee's latest manufactured controversy (comments section) we have this:
maudell: What’s with the Myra Hindley profile pictures? Did they change it along with the ‘Stephanie haz a sad’ name to add to the threat? I guess real life serial killer/rapist impersonations (with real life victims still alive) are all the rage among sociopaths.
I LOL'D

So someone makes a joke-> HARASSMENT AND EVIL THREATS
Someone edits their twitter to make it even more obvious it's a joke-> INCREASING THE EVIL THREATS
Someone goes looking on twatter for random people who bitch about her, then lies and says they're pitters-> A POOR VICTIM

I look forward to doing this all again next week when Ophie decided to go ego-fishing again.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:11 am
by Guest
Southern wrote:
Guest wrote:
mikelf wrote:
If you don't mind me JAQing off for a moment, I want to push back on this for a second. My question is simple: Ellen Beth Wachs went from persona non grata around here to being (mostly) accepted after she crossed that gaggle of social retarded toddlers that PZ considers his Horde. If EBW can be redeemed of her past SJW, why not Ophelia? Has Ophelia done anything that EBW wasn't previously guilty of?

Several folks here have spoken positively of her early collaborative work at B&W and Kamarkin said earlier today that "I don't believe that the SJW mindset is "natural" for her. I think she's been strongly pushed into it. I still think it's only a matter of time before she says/does the wrong thing and gets drummed out for it." Must she leave the SJW nest in a blaze of glory (like EBW) before people here will consider giving her a chance? Or is there room for rapprochement in the absence of that?
never say never

but ophelia has too much time and ego invested while ebw took a first objective look outside and reconsidered

even though aplus may have written ophelia off theyre of no concern to her. just her ego, which has had many MANY opportunities to adjust stance and stop being a creationist (of her own harassment)

never say never, but looooooooooooong odds
Could I still make Card Against Humanity references with her?

Black card:
"What helps Obama Ophelia to relax?"

White card:
"Pixelated bukkake."

Black card:
"What do old people Ophelia Benson smells like?"

White card:
"Poopy diapers."

Black card:
"What is Batman's Ophelia's guilty pleasure?"

White card:
"Surprise sex!"

Black card:
"During sex, I Ophelia likes to think about __________"

White card:
"Penis envy."

The SJW crowd is right, this game is very funny. Specially when you pu their names on the cards! I'm sure they would love this variant.
of course, its just good natured fun

being horrible is what cards against humanity is all about

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:27 am
by Pogsurf
mikelf wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
jet_lagg wrote:So, I've been in semi-regular communication with Ophelia Benson since I arrived here. What's the general sentiment about her? Does anyone think it would be possible to come to terms? Are we too far gone for that?
[snip]
In short, Benson neither shares any common ground with us, nor, if she did, would her sad personal & professional traits offer any value-add to our endeavors. But that's moot, as Benson herself refuses to engage us in debate or compromise on her radical demands. As I noted earlier, (viewtopic.php?f=28&t=373), her pattern of behavior mirrors that of a cult leader.
If you don't mind me JAQing off for a moment, I want to push back on this for a second. My question is simple: Ellen Beth Wachs went from persona non grata around here to being (mostly) accepted after she crossed that gaggle of social retarded toddlers that PZ considers his Horde. If EBW can be redeemed of her past SJW, why not Ophelia? Has Ophelia done anything that EBW wasn't previously guilty of?

Several folks here have spoken positively of her early collaborative work at B&W and Kamarkin said earlier today that "I don't believe that the SJW mindset is "natural" for her. I think she's been strongly pushed into it. I still think it's only a matter of time before she says/does the wrong thing and gets drummed out for it." Must she leave the SJW nest in a blaze of glory (like EBW) before people here will consider giving her a chance? Or is there room for rapprochement in the absence of that?
Here's the number Benson tried to pull on me:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... -the-mail/

I revived some of Myers' best anal rape jokes and she labelled it a "sick little thing". She tried to claim I was stalking her at first, which even she realised was daft when she discovered I'd sent exactly the same material to a whole host of people. Myers turns up in the comments without acknowledging the material is his. He twice suggests that other people should ring me up and harass me. He's willing to supply my number. Presumably he is too frit to do it himself because like all bullies he's a coward at heart. Commentators suggest I should be reported to Hertfordshire Police and that I should be dobbed in to the Green Party. I just re-read the comments and it is a true joy to behold.

If something I write gets labelled "sick" I want it to at least be my own work, not Myers' old stuff rehashed. For the record I think Benson is a bigoted old witch.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:28 am
by rpguest
Tony Parsehole wrote: Zvan's response?:
I am very sorry for your trauma, whatever your name is. I hope that PZ took immediate steps when you brought this to his attention to make sure no broken bottles would actually be allowed in the Thunderdome, his open comment thread.
twitter's response to zvan:
we are very sorry, whatever your name is. (wait seriously, that's your real name, not a handle?) we will make sure if we ever roll out a skin flaying API it will be purely opt in

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:35 am
by rpguest
Steersman wrote:
Aneris wrote: Indeed, why [is] anyone [of us?] on her page?
1) some dude makes a tasteless tweet
2) Zvan blames the slymepit
3) Slymepit is pissed off, some back and forth
4) Zvan takes samples from Slymepit to justify her means.
5) Commentariat doesn't notice anything, no critical though whatsoever.
Authoritarians Summary wrote:describes the lack of logic in their thinking; when they like the conclusion, how that conclusion was arrived at is irrelevant. When they like the behaver, the behavior is acceptable; when they dislike the behaver, the behavior is not. [...] He then goes on to describe high Social Dominators. These people want power, and they don’t much care how they get it. “The end justifies the means” is their guiding principle.
Good question.

But maybe somewhat apropos, I’ve probably quoted this a couple of times here, but I think it bears repeating; it’s something from Shermer’s The Believing Brain:
Shermer wrote:As we saw in the previous chapter, politics is filled with self-justifying rationalizations. Democrats see the world through liberal-tinted glasses, while Republicans filter it through conservative shaded glasses. When you listen to both “conservative talk radio” and “progressive talk radio” you will hear current events interpreted in ways that are 180 degrees out of phase. So incongruent are the interpretations of even the simplest goings-on in the daily news that you wonder if they can possibly be talking about the same event. [pg 263] [my emphasis]
I certainly think “our” side has the high ground, largely as a result of a forthright and commendable commitment to “free speech” and open discussion boards. But one can’t help but get the impression that, at times, at least some of “our” positions have an element of that “the end justifies the means”, of a similar “lack of logic”. You may wish to review Lewis Carroll’s story “What the Tortise Said to Achilles”, but the point seems to be that very different assumptions – kind of the nature of the beast – tend to lead to very different conclusions and to be rather problematic at best. Not sure how “we” can get over that hurdle. Although I'll certainly argue that free speech is a necessary precursor.
quoting shermer now?

obviously proof positive of what misogynistic scum you are

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:48 am
by Dick Strawkins
rpguest wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote: Zvan's response?:
I am very sorry for your trauma, whatever your name is. I hope that PZ took immediate steps when you brought this to his attention to make sure no broken bottles would actually be allowed in the Thunderdome, his open comment thread.
twitter's response to zvan:
we are very sorry, whatever your name is. (wait seriously, that's your real name, not a handle?) we will make sure if we ever roll out a skin flaying API it will be purely opt in
Svan acknowledges (as Chris Clarke did before) that threats of violence on the internet don't equate to real-life threats, which is why she essentially dismisses it as irrelevant.

Which is why this whole act of poor harassed steffie is really a sham.
As always, their ideology boils down to six little words.

"It's OK when WE do it"

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:00 am
by Ape+lust
Oolon has family in the House of Lords?

http://i.imgur.com/GNhESUP.png

I wonder if he's related to peerage. Might explain how he can fuck off on the internet all day and collect a paycheck.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:10 am
by Dick Strawkins
Ape+lust wrote:Oolon has family in the House of Lords?

http://i.imgur.com/GNhESUP.png

I wonder if he's related to peerage. Might explain how he can fuck off on the internet all day and collect a paycheck.
There is a "Baroness Billingham", appointed as a life peer by Labour in 2000 - it must be her.

She was involved in a scandal a few years ago according to wikipedia:
Subsistence Allowances are designed to help peers who live in the country to attend late-night votes and debates in Parliament, Billingham, who has a flat in Hampstead and a country house in Suffolk claimed £26,983 in 2006-07 in overnight allowances, prompting calls for an inquiry.[6]
These types of expenses scandals were pretty common in the UK at that time. If it happened now she would have no problem since the Baroness, as family of a prominent FTB cog, could invoke the one rule that binds all others:

"It's OK when we do it"

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:11 am
by Pogsurf
Ape+lust wrote:Oolon has family in the House of Lords?

http://i.imgur.com/GNhESUP.png

I wonder if he's related to peerage. Might explain how he can fuck off on the internet all day and collect a paycheck.
Anyone involved with local politics will know how laughable Oolon's threat to me was. If anything the rule is the more outrage you can generate in your political opponents the better you will spread your message.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:22 am
by Pogsurf
Hi Justin. I've just started reading de Botton's Religion for Atheists, which I am enjoying a lot. Why did you want to highlight DJ's tweet?

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:35 am
by James Caruthers

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:42 am
by Dick Strawkins

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:43 am
by James Caruthers
http://jezebel.com/watch-joss-whedon-ma ... 1460080685
Here's the relevant dick sucking-I mean, article, from Jezebel. I just have to laugh at feminists being angry over the term feminist. I'm sorry feminists, but it is modern feminists who have created the negative buzz around the word. You are going to have to lie in the beds you made. And saying "there is no middle ground" isn't likely to help the old image problems.

I doubt Whedon has to beg women for sex, but maybe he sees his support of feminism as a necessary counterbalance to the sexualization of female characters in his own films and tv shows.

And of course, not everyone in the comments are happy about this. Even though he is essentially lapping at the feminist clit, they feel it necessary to point and him and shout WHITE MALE TALKING ABOUT FEMINISM. Honestly, modern feminists are some of the most fucking sexist people I have ever seen. It does not matter what any man says about feminism, the fact he is talking about feminism is enough to complain at him. Then feminists turn around and say that feminism just means equal rights. I mean, seriously, what the fuck? Either let feminism mean equal rights, in which case men and women all have an equal say on equal rights, or make feminism a girl's club and let the men form their own movements for their own needs. I honestly don't care which, either would be better than what they are doing now.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:45 am
by James Caruthers
The most popular Men's Rights Activist is a woman. Would SJW feminists stand for it if the most popular modern feminist was a man? Would they applaud him?

While I do not agree with everything MRAs say, at least they can walk the walk on gender equality.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:53 am
by James Caruthers
fortheloveofbeetsLHB
2

Yeah, that is super frustrating. It's a nice gesture, I guess, but it encourages the idea that all that's required of anyone to do their part in ending sexism is just to agree with the notion that women and men are equals. In reality, that doesn't get us anywhere much, and there's so much more to understand and such difficult work to do in dismantling sexist systems. Thursday 1:01pm
Silly Joss, we educated feminists know that REAL feminism doesn't only mean treating men and women equally! :lol:

It also means the stuff from my Gender Theory 101 course in college and stuff.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:53 am
by Badger3k
BarnOwl wrote:
Aneris wrote:
<snip>

PZ takes a brief break: “sick, exasperated, tired, overloaded” (not much text else, comments are just “get well”) and thinks about what to do with this mess. I sympathize. The thing with cognitive dissonace is that it sweeps convictions away, or bolsters them. They were hardened a few times, like when he was proud of his horde. But there comes a point where you can't possibly keep it up. And that seems to come through now. PZ is also a very judgemental person. It would be very unusual when he genuinely coulnd't see the various flaws he doesn't like with other people in his horde.
PZ's disingenuous and judgmental posts and comments about people who disagree with him reduce my sympathy significantly. Most human beings get sick, or feel tired and frustrated and overloaded from time to time, and most of us just have to suck it up. Many of the FtB woes and ills seem to be self-inflicted, in any case, or dubious at best. Can't work because you have ADD and you don't like to work and instead prefer to dose yourself with beer, pizza, and Ritalin that wasn't prescribed to you? Really? Seems pretty fucking stupid and immature to me. I don't wish illness and accidents and misfortune on them, but at the same time, I'm not particularly sympathetic to the relatively minor complaints and hardships that they blow out of proportion.
WTF? I assume this refers to Clarke - I hadn't bothered to read his piece, but he's a junkie taking illegal meds? And this is the eco-warrior that PZ respects? WTF again - between the drunken binges and non-prescription pills...where is it going to end? Chief Caine and her rat horde, Oggie and his "recovered rapist memories" (or maybe only being raped is recovered, and the rest is unfortunately real, and he's using the recovered memory to try to assuage his guilt at raping young girls?), Avicenna's self-harm...fuck, the list just gets better and better. Now I really wonder what PZ has in his closet, unless it's the "false" rape accusation... :pray:

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:57 am
by Badger3k
James Caruthers wrote:http://jezebel.com/watch-joss-whedon-ma ... 1460080685
Here's the relevant dick sucking-I mean, article, from Jezebel. I just have to laugh at feminists being angry over the term feminist. I'm sorry feminists, but it is modern feminists who have created the negative buzz around the word. You are going to have to lie in the beds you made. And saying "there is no middle ground" isn't likely to help the old image problems.

I doubt Whedon has to beg women for sex, but maybe he sees his support of feminism as a necessary counterbalance to the sexualization of female characters in his own films and tv shows.

And of course, not everyone in the comments are happy about this. Even though he is essentially lapping at the feminist clit, they feel it necessary to point and him and shout WHITE MALE TALKING ABOUT FEMINISM. Honestly, modern feminists are some of the most fucking sexist people I have ever seen. It does not matter what any man says about feminism, the fact he is talking about feminism is enough to complain at him. Then feminists turn around and say that feminism just means equal rights. I mean, seriously, what the fuck? Either let feminism mean equal rights, in which case men and women all have an equal say on equal rights, or make feminism a girl's club and let the men form their own movements for their own needs. I honestly don't care which, either would be better than what they are doing now.
Is that who is in the video clips? I never cared for his work, either on tv or comics, and cringe whenever I see his name on a project. At least he didn't fill the Avengers movie with his usual cliches (not that the Avengers and super-heroes in general have their own cliches).

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:00 am
by Dick Strawkins
The vast majority of women refuse to claim the term feminist for themselves.

Going by his logic, this means that the majority of women don't simply see themselves as feminists, they don't see themselves as people!

I get the impression that we are just witnessing cable TV style logic - the type of simplistic arguments that only work with people who need to have the world spelled out to them in few words and extra large font. But since this proportion of the population is fairly large, it is profitable to exploit the market.
It's a slogan, just like "Fair and Balanced".

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:07 am
by Badger3k
Guess I make a threefer? I just wanted to say that I really, really loved the threat from Monsenor towards LazySavant
Putting @LazySavant on notice. If I find any of his violent crime musings credible, I'll unceremoniously unfollow him. Block, if guilty.
Don't forget to Unfriend him on Facebook! That'll hurt him where it counts! Although, I think you're supposed to ask for a Leica rangefinder first. I barely use twitter myself, but the arrogant attitude of that guy is astonishing. Maybe he knows LS in real life, or is (was) a friend, but if not...what makes him think that he is worth anything, let alone enough to "give notice", and then the horrible threat of being unfollower or blocked if the sooper-geneus finds his musings "credible" (hmm, must ask the NSA about that...). The self-importance is laughable. But then, that seems to be the mindset of these people - self-righteous, self-important, completely unearned expectations of respect or obedience. To me, that makes poking them with virtual sticks a steady source of lulz.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:09 am
by Badger3k
Dick Strawkins wrote:
The vast majority of women refuse to claim the term feminist for themselves.

Going by his logic, this means that the majority of women don't simply see themselves as feminists, they don't see themselves as people!

I get the impression that we are just witnessing cable TV style logic - the type of simplistic arguments that only work with people who need to have the world spelled out to them in few words and extra large font. But since this proportion of the population is fairly large, it is profitable to exploit the market.
It's a slogan, just like "Fair and Balanced".
That makes it all the easier to get my plan for Soylent Green passed into law. If they don't see themselves as people...

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:12 am
by Trophy
Aneris wrote:For your reading pleasure.
Outrage World
How feminist blogs like Jezebel gin up page views by exploiting women's worst tendencies.


The issues in the atheist community, as also seen in Pinker's various tweets on censorious attitudes at campusses, are indeed symptom of a larger issue.
That was a very good read. And somehow that script looks very very familiar :think: One might even say we have been seeing in the past few years but I'm not so wire.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:12 am
by Gefan
Chanty Binx's dating profile seeks "chivalry".

The mind reels.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:18 am
by Badger3k
Skimming the feed brings up Ophie celebrating that Sweden- Bechdel test thing.

While at work I realized that some things, like the "one man" or "one woman" plays will fail completely. Puppetry of the Penis sure fails. Does this mean that the Vagina Monologues will also fail the test? I guess it is sexist. In the words of Ophelia Benson:
And if you don’t like it, it’s up to you as an individual to create an alternative. Your time starts now.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:19 am
by Hunt
Benson has a new post up citing some study about bug grinding sadists and that sadism comes in more frequent varieties than is normally believed. Oh, and of course, the pit is demonstrative.

Interestingly, part way down, someone favorably quotes M. Scott Peck:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-812352

For those unfamiliar, Peck is a batshit insane American psychiatrist who in essence believes that most psychological ills lie in conflicting allegiance between God and Satan. He believes in and has written about demonic possession. As I recall, I think he's also believes he's actually witnessed it. To him, sadism is caused by inattention to sin and is basically part way down the road to possession.

In other words... The day has come. You all knew it would arrive eventually. FtB has accused the pit of Satanism.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:23 am
by James Caruthers
Gefan wrote:Chanty Binx's dating profile seeks "chivalry".

The mind reels.
http://stfueverything.tumblr.com/


This is supposedly Miz Binx' tumblr.

I don't know why she can't get a date. She's just looking for a man who will shut up for the fiftieth billionth time! It shouldn't be so hard to find a nice, chivalrous man for this modern feminist who is all about equality between men and women.

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:23 am
by Badger3k
Hunt wrote:Benson has a new post up citing some study about bug grinding sadists and that sadism comes in more frequent varieties than is normally believed. Oh, and of course, the pit is demonstrative.

Interestingly, part way down, someone favorably quotes M. Scott Peck:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-812352

For those unfamiliar, Peck is a batshit insane American psychiatrist who in essence believes that most psychological ills lie in conflicting allegiance between God and Satan. He believes in and has written about demonic possession. As I recall, I think he's also believes he's actually witnessed it. To him, sadism is caused by inattention to sin and is basically part way down the road to possession.

In other words... The day has come. You all knew it would arrive eventually. FtB has accused the pit of Satanism.
Funny thing - I just saw this post. Of course, it came in not as a full post like most on the FfTB main rss feed, but came in as part of a sentence and "read more". The first line was enough to give me nightmares: "So that study on sadism I've been meaning..."

Ophie in a dominatrix outfit...brrrrrrrrr....although, when thinking of Ophie, the first thing that really comes to mind:[youtube]zdIID_TGwhM[/youtube]

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:24 am
by Badger3k
In the spirit of more videos, watching the flouncing of Morales and Caine...

[youtube]rY0WxgSXdEE[/youtube]

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:27 am
by Badger3k
James Caruthers wrote:
Gefan wrote:Chanty Binx's dating profile seeks "chivalry".

The mind reels.
http://stfueverything.tumblr.com/


This is supposedly Miz Binx' tumblr.

I don't know why she can't get a date. She's just looking for a man who will shut up for the fiftieth billionth time! It shouldn't be so hard to find a nice, chivalrous man for this modern feminist who is all about equality between men and women.
Is Bartleby free? I can't tell from the picture, but he doesn't seem to have a ring on...plus, he might be a ginger - it's hard to tell in that pic. If true, that means he won't have to color his hair too much.