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Gefan wrote:

Was the actor's name listed fifth in the credits, a factor in your Zvan-placement?
Nope, that was entirely coincidental. I swear.

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[youtube]aZMbTFNp4wI[/youtube]

When he says he was inspired by a song while studying in the US, my first though was; "Shit. I hope it wasn't Tom Petty's Learning to Fly".

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HAHAHAHAHA

Van Halen will never be the same for me.

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Simply brilliant, Ape+Lust. La-Den never looked so sleazy.

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Gumby wrote:HAHAHAHAHA

Van Halen will never be the same for me.
I know. Steffie Hagar sucks.

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Jan Steen wrote:Simply brilliant, Ape+Lust. La-Den never looked so sleazy.
:D

Thank you Jan!

I've wanted to do that for a long time. Then Strawkins suddenly started riffing on albums and I had no more excuses for putting it off. Thanks, Strawkins!

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Dick Strawkins wrote:http://i.imgur.com/wRHcclh.jpg

There's an unending number of classic albums she can interfere with!
I thought the walrus was Paul?

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Ape+lust wrote: I thought the walrus was Paul?
Great, a tusk-shaming troll thread by D4M10N is no doubt forthcoming.

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Gumby wrote:
Ape+lust wrote: I thought the walrus was Paul?
Great, a tusk-shaming troll thread by D4M10N is no doubt forthcoming.
He's just waiting for me to Zvan-meme the first Led Zep album. :D

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Gumby wrote:
Ape+lust wrote: I thought the walrus was Paul?
Great, a tusk-shaming troll thread by D4M10N is no doubt forthcoming.
Oooops! Here comes the Eggman, goo-goo-ga-joob. Sorry!

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PZ Myers' October 24 blog has left me disoriented.
http://www.freezepage.com/1382885258SNJEXCCNZF

PZ mocks a chart depicting Social Market Value (or SMV), the relative sexual attractiveness of populations of humans, based on various criteria:
https://rationalmale.files.wordpress.co ... =490&h=240

I don't understand PZ's disdain for the chart's basic conclusion: that our society values women for being young and pretty, and doesn't hold men to the same standard-- allowing old, ugly men to buy desirability with money and power; thus women face a social "expiration date". How is that different from PZ's feminist beliefs?

PZ also cites individual opinions as contrary to the chart. PZ seems to think that, if one man considers Scarlett Johannson unattractive, that single data-point invalidates the chart's finding that most men consider her attractive.

I understand that the methodology used to construct the SMV chart may be specious. But it seems to me that PZ's stated objections to the methodology would also apply to vast swaths of social sciences. For example, PZ praised AronRa's Sexy Secularism presentation, which included WomanStats.org's color-coded map of the world:
http://womanstats.org/laststatics/combi ... e20113.png

AronRa claimed the map depicted the "occurrence of rape", but actually the map depicts a "Combined Scale" of the prevalence "and Sanction" of rape and sexual assault of women, "adjusted for Laws, Taboos, and rates"

How does one objectively measure "sanction" of rape? How does one "adjust" for "Laws" and "Taboos"? Should AronRa be using a chart that's "adjusted for rates" to depict rape rates? The chart's codebook reveals that "social acceptance and prevalence of pornography" is a variable used to measure "Sanction" of rape of women. Is there a legitimate positive correlation between access to porn and sanction of rape?

Much like how the Bechdel Test only measures whether a movie passes the Bechdel Test; I contend that the rape map only depicts the assumptions of its feminist makers, not the assumptions of the nations on the map. I see no difference between my objection and the objection PZ raises to the SMV chart in his follow-up post. He complains that the chart only depicts the Results of the SMV survey "and doesn't actually measure anything." http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... is-survey/

PZ also complains that the vertical axis on the SMV chart, is "dimensionless", arbitrarily broken into 10 units. How is that different from the 5 unit color scale on the rape map. Why 5? How were the cut-off points between the colors determined?

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Fuck me, I drank way too much last night. I am completely Beckied this morning...

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Dick Strawkins wrote:http://i.imgur.com/h8gjidn.jpg
Her silhouette with that mushcap 'do makes me think of this:

http://i.imgur.com/hoSrraQ.jpg

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Dr Skep: I didn't follow the links, but do they specify where in France those studies were carried out? This touchey culture varies from one region to another. Here in the south-east, close to Italy and ingrained in Mediterranean culture, touching is an integral part of everyday life (we kiss on the cheeks to say hello/goodbye for exemple, even between guys. Yep, just like in Mafia movies, with less guns and more cannoli).
When I lived in Africa it took me a while to get used to the touching. Men will hold hands, hang on each other, and will rest a hand on your leg when you're sitting together. I was not comfortable with this at first, and at the beginning I would think "Is this guy coming on to me?". Of course when guys did come on to me, they were pretty blatant so i got over the nonsexual touching quickly and really got to like. When I returned to the USA I had to get used to not being casually touched.

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Dick Strawkins wrote:
Gumby wrote:
Ape+lust wrote: I thought the walrus was Paul?
Great, a tusk-shaming troll thread by D4M10N is no doubt forthcoming.
He's just waiting for me to Zvan-meme the first Led Zep album. :D
You do the first, I'll do HOTH.
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Lsuoma wrote:Fuck me, I drank way too much last night. I am completely Beckied this morning...
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Service Dog wrote:PZ Myers' October 24 blog has left me disoriented.
http://www.freezepage.com/1382885258SNJEXCCNZF

PZ mocks a chart depicting Social Market Value (or SMV), the relative sexual attractiveness of populations of humans, based on various criteria:
https://rationalmale.files.wordpress.co ... =490&h=240

I don't understand PZ's disdain for the chart's basic conclusion: that our society values women for being young and pretty, and doesn't hold men to the same standard-- allowing old, ugly men to buy desirability with money and power; thus women face a social "expiration date". How is that different from PZ's feminist beliefs?

PZ also cites individual opinions as contrary to the chart. PZ seems to think that, if one man considers Scarlett Johannson unattractive, that single data-point invalidates the chart's finding that most men consider her attractive.

I understand that the methodology used to construct the SMV chart may be specious. But it seems to me that PZ's stated objections to the methodology would also apply to vast swaths of social sciences. For example, PZ praised AronRa's Sexy Secularism presentation, which included WomanStats.org's color-coded map of the world:
http://womanstats.org/laststatics/combi ... e20113.png

AronRa claimed the map depicted the "occurrence of rape", but actually the map depicts a "Combined Scale" of the prevalence "and Sanction" of rape and sexual assault of women, "adjusted for Laws, Taboos, and rates"

How does one objectively measure "sanction" of rape? How does one "adjust" for "Laws" and "Taboos"? Should AronRa be using a chart that's "adjusted for rates" to depict rape rates? The chart's codebook reveals that "social acceptance and prevalence of pornography" is a variable used to measure "Sanction" of rape of women. Is there a legitimate positive correlation between access to porn and sanction of rape?

Much like how the Bechdel Test only measures whether a movie passes the Bechdel Test; I contend that the rape map only depicts the assumptions of its feminist makers, not the assumptions of the nations on the map. I see no difference between my objection and the objection PZ raises to the SMV chart in his follow-up post. He complains that the chart only depicts the Results of the SMV survey "and doesn't actually measure anything." http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... is-survey/

PZ also complains that the vertical axis on the SMV chart, is "dimensionless", arbitrarily broken into 10 units. How is that different from the 5 unit color scale on the rape map. Why 5? How were the cut-off points between the colors determined?
The second chart does illustrate one concept.

Why the fuck are rape rates so divergent in the US and Canada? They're not even a bit lower in Canada. They're WAY lower. The cultures are about the same, access and use of porn is about the same, the laws are about the same. But they're way lower in Canada. (Yes, I know the chart shows other things as well, but I've seen numbers before..they're about 1/10th the number in Canada per capita)

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I don't understand PZ's disdain for the chart's basic conclusion: that our society values women for being young and pretty, and doesn't hold men to the same standard-- allowing old, ugly men to buy desirability with money and power; thus women face a social "expiration date".
Once you go down the blank slate/differences between the genders are all socially constructed route, then it naturally follows that concepts of sexual attractiveness are just social conventions*. This leads to the absurd conclusion that (paraphrasing Pinker) 20 year old women are only considered more physically attractive than 80 year olds because that is what society has taught us, and it could just as easily be the other way around.

* But gays are born that way. Consistency - what's that?

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katamari Damassi wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Dr Skep: I didn't follow the links, but do they specify where in France those studies were carried out? This touchey culture varies from one region to another. Here in the south-east, close to Italy and ingrained in Mediterranean culture, touching is an integral part of everyday life (we kiss on the cheeks to say hello/goodbye for exemple, even between guys. Yep, just like in Mafia movies, with less guns and more cannoli).
When I lived in Africa it took me a while to get used to the touching. Men will hold hands, hang on each other, and will rest a hand on your leg when you're sitting together. I was not comfortable with this at first, and at the beginning I would think "Is this guy coming on to me?". Of course when guys did come on to me, they were pretty blatant so i got over the nonsexual touching quickly and really got to like. When I returned to the USA I had to get used to not being casually touched.
Monsieur Giordana, I did not look at the details of the paper, but you and Mr Damassi illustrate the important point that there are differences between cultures, even within a country, and likely often between genders. IMO it would be really interesting to study the differences in effect of touch (measured by brain activation and/or behavior) on people from high-touch cultures vs those from low-touch cultures. (Caveat that maybe that's been done; I haven't gone to look.)

My other point was just that commenters posted to opine how the study results must be wrong because ick, rather than (a) go look it up and/or (b) consider that maybe the study wasn't intended to substantiate the viewpoints of a particular subset of people (them).

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[youtube]QYEC4TZsy-Y[/youtube]
Lou Reed 1942-2013

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Service Dog wrote: I understand that the methodology used to construct the SMV chart may be specious. But it seems to me that PZ's stated objections to the methodology would also apply to vast swaths of social sciences. For example, PZ praised AronRa's Sexy Secularism presentation, which included WomanStats.org's color-coded map of the world:
http://womanstats.org/laststatics/combi ... e20113.png

AronRa claimed the map depicted the "occurrence of rape", but actually the map depicts a "Combined Scale" of the prevalence "and Sanction" of rape and sexual assault of women, "adjusted for Laws, Taboos, and rates"
I noticed the same problem and left a comment on his vid. Another sloppy argument was the claim that in the countries with high rape rates women are "covered" and aren't able to move around freely. It's not quite that simple, for example in much of Sub-Saharan Africa women don't dress especially modest and yet rape is prevalent.

On the plus side, based on this map most Western societies aren't "rape cultures"!
How does one objectively measure "sanction" of rape? How does one "adjust" for "Laws" and "Taboos"? Should AronRa be using a chart that's "adjusted for rates" to depict rape rates? The chart's codebook reveals that "social acceptance and prevalence of pornography" is a variable used to measure "Sanction" of rape of women. Is there a legitimate positive correlation between access to porn and sanction of rape?
That's ironic, if women are "covered" that's an indication of rape culture, but if women are "uncovered" in magazines and videos that's also an indication of rape culture...

What's the link to the codebook?

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Service Dog wrote: http://womanstats.org/laststatics/combi ... e20113.png

AronRa claimed the map depicted the "occurrence of rape", but actually the map depicts a "Combined Scale" of the prevalence "and Sanction" of rape and sexual assault of women, "adjusted for Laws, Taboos, and rates"
Wait a minute. The 'score' is lower in Denmark than in utterly feminist, politically correct Sweden? You know, the country where buying sex is forbidden? Is that a consequence of the 'adjustment'?

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Dick Strawkins wrote:[youtube]QYEC4TZsy-Y[/youtube]
Lou Reed 1942-2013
Bah Shit!

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Gumby wrote:
You do the first, I'll do HOTH.
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*sniff*
Nothing is sacred to her.

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'Bah shit' he's dead.
Perfect Day is a great song.

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Wife and I were scrolling through the shops... we all laughed like a bastard. Good job all around over the last few days!

Then I saw the news about Lou Reed. RIP. :(

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We'll mss ya Lou.

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Condolences to his old lady too.

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Jan Steen wrote:Yemisi is not only the author of hilariously atrocious ‘poetry’, she is also a dogmatic Social Justice Warrior. One of the SJW dogmas is that People of Colour (PoC) cannot be racist and that women cannot be sexist (this sounds like two dogmas but it’s really only one).
Racism just like sexism is prejudice + Power which make it impossible for a race or gender to perpetrate against their race or gender. Contrary to what the female commenter said above, women cannot be sexist towards men or other women. Yes, women can be hostile or practice learned sexism towards other women, just like the ignorant couple I mentioned in my status update perpetrated discrimination against their own race but this cannot qualify as sexism or racism against their kind.
However, Yemisi goes on to say:
Racism cannot be a substituted word for prejudice, unfair treatment or discrimination. Same goes for sexism. Institutionalized Racism, Systemic Racism, and Institutional/Systemic Sexism all have something in common and that is prejudice, privilege + power.
Now, if racism really was ‘prejudice + power’, then the modifiers ‘Institutionalized’ and ‘Systemic’ would be superfluous. In fact, non-institutionalized/non-systemic racism couldn’t even exist if the SJW dogma is accepted. So it would seem that Yemisi is thoroughly confused here.

To me, and I suspect to most people whose thinking is not stunted by SJW dogma, racism is simply the belief that one ‘race’ is somehow inferior to another. Any UK resident who has observed the interactions between people of Asian descent and those of Caribbean/African descent will have noticed that PoC most definitely can be racist among each other.

Why this insistence on the SJW definition? It becomes clear from Yemisi’s penultimate paragraph.
When People of Colour talk about Racism, it would do well for the privileged Skin colour to listen and learn. You can’t be an ally when all you are eager to do is redefine the word to put you in the picture as a victim.
Let me first take a break to repair my irony meter (Fuck you, ACME.). Who the hell is redefining the word ‘racism’ here? 'Racism' has until recently only meant the belief that I described above. The folks redefining the word are the likes of Yemisi.

But why would they do that?

It is to protect their victim status. If you equate ‘racism’ with ‘systemic racism’ then it is undeniable that white people have rarely been the victim of racism. So, in a sense, the new definition seems more fair from the point of view of PoC. But there is a downside to it. If you restrict the definition in this way, then it becomes an indictment of society when you accuse someone of racism. Racism is then not the stupid prejudice of an individual but a symptom of societal failing. Even if, as in most western societies, racism is illegal, victims of racism will continue to blame society rather than the backwardness of individuals. However, by blaming society they estrange themselves from society, which in turn may make PoC more vulnerable to discrimination, which is then perceived as racism. There is a kind of vicious circle here. In the end, I doubt if the SJW definition of racism is in the interest of the main victims of racism.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/yemmynistin ... /#comments
Racism is a can of worms, probably due to the situation in the USA, which is very, very different from Europe. I think there are two factors. First, the dreadful Nazi ideology with its throughout racist ideas and second, the history of slavery in the USA on the other side of the pond. After WWII had ended and Europe laid in ashes, people found previously commonplace racist and anti-semitist views as highly dubious in Europe. In the USA however, racial segration laws lasted to the mid-1960s and race seems to be a common concept still. From that, sub-cultures around skin colour sprung up in the USA and for them it became a part of their identity. Now, in the USA, you have people who should be anti-racists, but the race concept they endured for so long is by now entrenched in their thinking (too). I don't hold it against them, but races still don't exist and yes, it is racist.
Racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races
I can only conclude that the USA is a deeply racist country, no matter what skin colour and that those who were previously negatively affected by it, are just as racist by now, due to the process of "owning" it. Now you have SJW enter the situation who perhaps think it would be unfair to judge People of Colours by the same standard given that history. I can certainly understand that sentiment, but wishful thinking and special pleading do not make it right.

I follow someone on twitter, who strongly indentifies with black culture (he uses the term black instead of colored) and it very often sounded racist to me, but I think he doesn't see it that way. Black this-and-that for some african-american endeavor is fairly common place. Imagine there was a White Free Thinkers tweet.

I certainly can relate to how it must be if you are surrounded by culture that makes your being the Other, the Different One, and whenever there is a Different One, it is delineated by the dominant culture. Until you have a body of works and a culture emerging of Different Ones. First you are denied to be part of the whole thing, always pushed to the Different Ones. And then you can't cheer for the Different One, because it's a product of racism, too.

Racism typically has the connotations of people who think they are part of a dominant master race. With the issues discussed above, I think the power or dominance component in this sense can't be entirely ignored. I would suggest that racism in the wider sense is the idea that human races exist, and in a narrower sense that one race is objectively superior to another.

I also reject the idea of Color Blindness. Rejecting the idea of human races is not history revisionism that ignores or rewrites racist history and its impact on people today. I can very well see sub cultures grouped around some common criterial without assuming any genetics. I can acknowledge Goths as well without making it about their white skin.

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James Caruthers wrote: Okay, I'm just having a laugh. But how can you say something like "men view women as toilets" without noticing how it simultaneously degrades both men AND women? The implication that a strong, powerful, sexy woman cannot choose to go into the porn industry of her own free will is just infantilizing bullshit. Go on then, anti-porn feminists, go on and ASK these famous female porn stars if they like their jobs. They give interviews, for fuck's sake. Then go talk to the male porn stars and get them to tell you how it is to be a man in the porn industry.
The personal experiences of women in the sex industry are easily ignored by anti-porn feminists.

For example, I've seen Smurthwaite mock sex workers who've challenged her as "delusional I-choose-my-choice happy hookers", ignore their experiences and their criticism of her claims (she's very fond of the debunked statistic that the average sex worker starts in their early teens), then go right back to claiming that prostitution is inherently violence against women that must be abolished.

Women who disagree with the radfem position on porn/prostitution are either:

1. Pathetic shills for the patriarchy, lying to please their male masters. I've seen feminists compare them with people in occupied Europe who collaborated with the Nazis rather than joining the resistance.

2. Suffering from false consciousness or Stockholm syndrome. I've seen Smurthwaite, and other feminists, argue that women involved in the sex industry are so damaged by the experience that they pretend to do it willingly as a coping mechanism.

Either way, it doesn't matter how many of those women give interviews or argue their case, anti-porn feminist theory is impervious.

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Seems Zvan's Interference Service doesn't work in all cases. Curse you Zvan!!11!!

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Service Dog wrote: http://womanstats.org/laststatics/combi ... e20113.png

AronRa claimed the map depicted the "occurrence of rape", but actually the map depicts a "Combined Scale" of the prevalence "and Sanction" of rape and sexual assault of women, "adjusted for Laws, Taboos, and rates"

WTF? Australia has, the past three years, had a higher rape rate than the US. The US is yellow and Australia is green. Japan's rate is miniscule compared to the US rate, yet they're orange. Yet Sweden is #3 according to WIkipedia in rapes per 100K. Though I suspect some of that has to do with law changes that vastly broadened the concept of rape and have, in effect, jumped the numbers from the 'normal' levels we find in the West.

I call bullshit. That chart has been manipulated.

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Dick Strawkins wrote: Lou Reed 1942-2013
Dammit.

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Windy wrote:
I noticed the same problem and left a comment on his vid. Another sloppy argument was the claim that in the countries with high rape rates women are "covered" and aren't able to move around freely. It's not quite that simple, for example in much of Sub-Saharan Africa women don't dress especially modest and yet rape is prevalent.
It appears majority Muslim countries fare rather poorly.
Would it be racist of me to say Islam is a rape culture?

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Tribble wrote:
Service Dog wrote: http://womanstats.org/laststatics/combi ... e20113.png

AronRa claimed the map depicted the "occurrence of rape", but actually the map depicts a "Combined Scale" of the prevalence "and Sanction" of rape and sexual assault of women, "adjusted for Laws, Taboos, and rates"

WTF? Australia has, the past three years, had a higher rape rate than the US. The US is yellow and Australia is green. Japan's rate is miniscule compared to the US rate, yet they're orange. Yet Sweden is #3 according to WIkipedia in rapes per 100K. Though I suspect some of that has to do with law changes that vastly broadened the concept of rape and have, in effect, jumped the numbers from the 'normal' levels we find in the West.

I call bullshit. That chart has been manipulated.
This might shed some light on the matter:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operationalization
In research design, especially in psychology, social sciences, and life sciences, operationalization is a process defining the measurement of phenomenon that is not directly measurable, but its existence is indicated by other phenomena.
They seem to be conflating several things to arrive at the result they want.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:Windy wrote:
I noticed the same problem and left a comment on his vid. Another sloppy argument was the claim that in the countries with high rape rates women are "covered" and aren't able to move around freely. It's not quite that simple, for example in much of Sub-Saharan Africa women don't dress especially modest and yet rape is prevalent.
It appears majority Muslim countries fare rather poorly.
Would it be racist of me to say Islam is a rape culture?
I'm shocked that the religion of peace is actually the religion of bruised piss-flaps. Shocked I say....

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Aneris wrote:
Jan Steen wrote:<snip>
Racism is a can of worms, probably due to the situation in the USA, which is very, very different from Europe. I think there are two factors. First, the dreadful Nazi ideology with its throughout racist ideas and second, the history of slavery in the USA on the other side of the pond. After WWII had ended and Europe laid in ashes, people found previously commonplace racist and anti-semitist views as highly dubious in Europe. In the USA however, racial segration laws lasted to the mid-1960s and race seems to be a common concept still. From that, sub-cultures around skin colour sprung up in the USA and for them it became a part of their identity. Now, in the USA, you have people who should be anti-racists, but the race concept they endured for so long is by now entrenched in their thinking (too). I don't hold it against them, but races still don't exist and yes, it is racist.
Racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races
I can only conclude that the USA is a deeply racist country, no matter what skin colour and that those who were previously negatively affected by it, are just as racist by now, due to the process of "owning" it. Now you have SJW enter the situation who perhaps think it would be unfair to judge People of Colours by the same standard given that history. I can certainly understand that sentiment, but wishful thinking and special pleading do not make it right.

I follow someone on twitter, who strongly indentifies with black culture (he uses the term black instead of colored) and it very often sounded racist to me, but I think he doesn't see it that way. Black this-and-that for some african-american endeavor is fairly common place. Imagine there was a White Free Thinkers tweet.

I certainly can relate to how it must be if you are surrounded by culture that makes your being the Other, the Different One, and whenever there is a Different One, it is delineated by the dominant culture. Until you have a body of works and a culture emerging of Different Ones. First you are denied to be part of the whole thing, always pushed to the Different Ones. And then you can't cheer for the Different One, because it's a product of racism, too.

Racism typically has the connotations of people who think they are part of a dominant master race. With the issues discussed above, I think the power or dominance component in this sense can't be entirely ignored. I would suggest that racism in the wider sense is the idea that human races exist, and in a narrower sense that one race is objectively superior to another.

I also reject the idea of Color Blindness. Rejecting the idea of human races is not history revisionism that ignores or rewrites racist history and its impact on people today. I can very well see sub cultures grouped around some common criterial without assuming any genetics. I can acknowledge Goths as well without making it about their white skin.
Check your dictionary privilege.

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windy wrote: What's the link to the codebook?
Here are a couple of links. One says it's current for 2013, the other 2007. I dont know whether either applies to AronRa's map, dated 2011.

http://womanstats.org/CodebookCurrent.htm
http://womanstats.org/Codebook7.30.07.htm#PRN

I don't claim to know whether WomanStat's statistical methodology is up to par with serious academic standards. But there =appears= to be lots of wiggle room, to my untrained eye:
http://i.imgur.com/yWCNKFw.png

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Seen that last week and it's epic.

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Service Dog wrote:
windy wrote: What's the link to the codebook?
Here are a couple of links. One says it's current for 2013, the other 2007. I dont know whether either applies to AronRa's map, dated 2011.

http://womanstats.org/CodebookCurrent.htm
http://womanstats.org/Codebook7.30.07.htm#PRN

I don't claim to know whether WomanStat's statistical methodology is up to par with serious academic standards. But there =appears= to be lots of wiggle room, to my untrained eye:
http://i.imgur.com/yWCNKFw.png
WTF? A site called WomanStats tells people not to rely on statistics?

Perhaps what they mean is don't rely on their statistics.

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BarnOwl wrote:Someone had to do it:

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60 ... 3e8d03.png
Very good! :D

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I've just had a second look at that rape stat map, and it doesn't even make sense. It color-codes countries according to how prevalent rape is, but it says that the grading is adjusted for rates. The rate of rape is how common rape is. How can you adjust how common something is by adjusting for how common it is?

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Suet Cardigan wrote:I've just had a second look at that rape stat map, and it doesn't even make sense. It color-codes countries according to how prevalent rape is, but it says that the grading is adjusted for rates. The rate of rape is how common rape is. How can you adjust how common something is by adjusting for how common it is?
The rate should be the only thing they adjust for if they are trying to see how common it is.

Perhaps they mean things like how governments classify or record rape - for example in Sweden they introduced a system that records every instance of claimed rape (for example if you say your husband raped you fifty times last year the Swedish agencies record that as fifty rapes, in contrast to some other countries that would record it as just one.)
What this means is that very quickly it resulted in a situation where Sweden has an apparently very high rate of rape compared to other European countries (and, ironically, far higher than most, if not all, middle eastern countries, places where genuine rape cultures exist.)

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feathers wrote: Wait a minute. The 'score' is lower in Denmark than in utterly feminist, politically correct Sweden? You know, the country where buying sex is forbidden?
And lower than Iceland, which forbids porn and strip clubs in addition to buying sex.

WomanStats have another map showing only the prevalence of rape, but it has also been "scaled" in some unspecified way.

http://womanstats.org/data/images1/prev ... mlogo2.jpg

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Dick Strawkins wrote:
Gumby wrote:
Ape+lust wrote: I thought the walrus was Paul?
Great, a tusk-shaming troll thread by D4M10N is no doubt forthcoming.
He's just waiting for me to Zvan-meme the first Led Zep album. :D
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Service Dog wrote:PZ Myers' October 24 blog has left me disoriented.
http://www.freezepage.com/1382885258SNJEXCCNZF

PZ mocks a chart depicting Social Market Value (or SMV), the relative sexual attractiveness of populations of humans, based on various criteria:
https://rationalmale.files.wordpress.co ... =490&h=240
Even on the originating site there is no indication of where this data comes from, and I suspect it is made up and Peezus is probably right to complain about it (although he doesn't complain about that particular aspect, merely that there are no units on the Y axis). Having said that, it looks roughly as I would expect such a graph to look if a survey were to be conducted. I don't see what the politically correct position is to be on this. Shall we be shocked and horrified that young women are considered attractive? - perhaps. That, unfairly, men 15 years older reach their peak attractiveness? - perhaps. Or should we use this to learn something completely unsurprising about what evolutionary processes have found likely to work? - definitely. None of that is either new or interesting. But does Peezus now want us to change our tastes to be more 'fair'? I'm not sure I can as these things tend to be unconscious processes in the older parts of our brains. I can't suddenly reprogram my hindbrain to become sexually aroused by wrinkles and sagging flesh because it's more socially just - goddamn it, I can't quite manage it for my wife who would benefit the most from it. This goes against the requirements of evolution, where sexual attractiveness in females is to do with fertility, and in males to do with ability to provide. If it's any consolation to the SJWs, I'm 20 years past my peak (as this graphic would have it) and it's all rather theoretical anyway to me.

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Those Zvan faces on Grand Funk Railroad = so wrong! :lol:

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60 ... 5b7a52.png

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Where can I find the original Zvan image?

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And by original, I mean the cutout starting point, not the original photo it came from.

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bovarchist wrote:Where can I find the original Zvan image?
http://i.imgur.com/DwK7ZK2.png

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Service Dog wrote:
windy wrote: What's the link to the codebook?
Here are a couple of links. One says it's current for 2013, the other 2007. I dont know whether either applies to AronRa's map, dated 2011.

http://womanstats.org/CodebookCurrent.htm
http://womanstats.org/Codebook7.30.07.htm#PRN

I don't claim to know whether WomanStat's statistical methodology is up to par with serious academic standards. But there =appears= to be lots of wiggle room, to my untrained eye:
http://i.imgur.com/yWCNKFw.png
FWIW, BYU seems to have significant involvement in this, wonder why that is. See the email address at lower R, and the list of mostly BYU sponsoring departments scrolling at http://www.womanstats.org/.


This page (Service Dog's first link in quote above) talks about scoring, including the "2011 Scaling Effort". All sorts of factors go into the scale. Africa & Muslim countries get much higher scores simply due to multiplicity of woman-controlling laws & practices (in dress, marriage including allowance of polygyny, divorce, etc), not necessarily due to rape rates.

The sections selected below as a subset of those listed in one part of that page show some of the subjectivity:
Additional Coding Principles Used in the 2011 Scaling Effort:
  • Divorce coding advice - We thought property was less important than custody and so we saw 1 as cases where women can inherit property and can get custody after divorce, and 3 where divorce really means women do not have a good shot at custody or property but 2 as where women may have one but not the other (can get custody but not property, or property but not custody). In my memory, it was much more common, depending a bit on geographical region, for women to be able to get custody but not property but we always erred on considering it worse (3 as opposed to 2) if custody was harder than property. – Rose McDermott
  • Abortion advice - China's one child policy which encourages abortion does qualify as a type of discrimination in family law because it does not allow married couples to make their own decisions about how many children they would like to have. This is very restrictive but as I recall we did not incorporate that last time cause it looked like China was easing up a bit at the time such that if you had a girl you could have a second but that liberal stance seems to have receded, and I would now give China the lowest score on this aspect of (abortion) in family law. – Rose McDermott
  • Use the legal age, excluding exceptions like parental consent or court order, to code the age of AOM law 1 variable. With this rule of thumb we would usually code countries as 0 because 18 is normally the legal age of marriage even though there are exceptions that can lower the age to 16 or lower.
  • When deciding polygyny law variable if some group is legally allowed to do so under a different legal regime (ex. Customary law vs. civil law), then score as if legal in the entire country.
  • In countries with a Federal state system, if one state is allowed by the Federal government to have unequal laws then the whole country is hurt by that state’s laws.
(In my memory...as I recall...we would usually code countries 0 in one area because it's "normally the legal age...even though there are exceptions"...in other areas, use the most permissive rule or law if it differs from civil law or federal law...)

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Ape+lust wrote:
bovarchist wrote:Where can I find the original Zvan image?
http://i.imgur.com/DwK7ZK2.png
Much obliged!

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BarnOwl wrote:Those Zvan faces on Grand Funk Railroad = so wrong! :lol:

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60 ... 5b7a52.png
Given that the original Aoxomoxoa cover had the skull as a penis, that is a very appropriate shoop.

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