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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Guest wrote:Question, do you guys have any real, unbiased sources for the whole "Wage Gap is a Myth" thing? I've been looking around at those sources, but it's starting to look like a lot of them are Conservative think-tanks. It sounds plausible to me, but it looks like they could also be bullshitting. Thanks.
Oops, maybe I should clarify: I've been looking at various studies and the like. Not sources you guys provided. Didn't mean to sound accusatory.

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Service Dog wrote:On Aug 28, Jen McCreight blogged about her suffering from debilitating anxiety when using the telephone— which is so severe that she describes it as “mental illness”.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/blaghag/201 ... ng-device/
To be fair, I had this one girl I dated briefly who kept calling, and for some reason she had the shittiest connection in the world (on her iPhone, too). My hearing is okay, but not brilliant and there was static up the ass on every call. So I understand her point out how frustrating it is to ask someone to repeat themselves.

All the hypochondriacs in the comments though... Damn. It would seem FTB is host to the most fucked-up atheists on the entire internet. Every time someone posts a "poor me" on the blog, the commentariat have to chime in with "me too, I'm a poor me also." And hell, what is this nonsense about "phone use is impossible to avoid?" I don't have any phone mental illness, but I don't like to talk on phones because of personal preference. So I don't unless it's necessary. Texting, email and meetings are much more common, it's not hard to avoid phone conversations if you show some initiative and propose alternatives. Or just tell people you don't talk on the phone except when there's important business to discuss.

We all have unreasonable fears. That's fine, we all have things to work on. But getting together with a group of other phobic people, some of whom are almost certainly unhinged hypochondriacs, is only going to aggravate the problem. FTB is the worst place for the sufferer of a phobia or victim of a crime to go. The victim mentality they encourage will probably be crippling. Instead of getting help, a bunch of victims and pretend victim bullies sit in a circle and verbally jerk each other off about how bad they have it. Dwelling on a phobia only makes it seem more impossible to overcome.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Guest wrote:Question, do you guys have any real, unbiased sources for the whole "Wage Gap is a Myth" thing? I've been looking around at those sources, but it's starting to look like a lot of them are Conservative think-tanks. It sounds plausible to me, but it looks like they could also be bullshitting. Thanks.
Consad report shows it pretty readily. If you control for easily controllable factors, you get a ~4% gap, and this is considering hourly wage to possess a linear correlation with hours worked, which it does not actually have (it's exponential).

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Feminist Frequency's Sarkeesian an opportunistic con-artist?
[youtube]gcPIu3sDkEw[/youtube]

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Parody Accountant wrote:saw this in the wild today:

http://i.imgur.com/fTTXOEh.jpg

probably been posted here before, but I hadn't seen it.
http://i.imgur.com/HkhEtyl.jpg

Done, let's move on. The Escapist isn't worth the time and energy, and even their userbase is riled up over all this strawmanning. The thread for the comic is a nice repository of FBT-style speech, though. This particular cartoonist has apparently been making deliberately-inflammatory comics quite a bit recently. I assume hits are down.

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Suet Cardigan wrote:
Badger3k wrote:Melody Hensley once chipped a nail, so she knows what it feels like to be murdered.
For fuck's sake, don't bring up the subject of nails again!!
It has to be said again... It's Not About The Nail

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Oh damn, didn't notice it was another edit.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Amanda Marcotte talks about MRA trolls, 10:30-11:30.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Michael J wrote:
Steersman wrote:
Aneris wrote:Forget Atheism Plus! Stephanie Zvan has a new idea:
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Sexual Assault Plus!

I pull a Christina as I don't have time, but you can freezly read some pristine nonsense reasoning here. How difficult it must be to see the difference between a few seconds of touching in semi-public, and extended sexual abuse (or even one time) of someone who is at the mercy of someone.
Both Dawkins’ experience and that of the other person still seem to qualify as sexual assault:
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But most over there seem to be eliding the graduations just to be able to take a shot at Dawkins. Classy bunch.
However, if Dawkins had said something like - "I was sexually abused as a child so I can understand rape victims". They would take the opposite tack and say how his experience could in no way match the rape that the women experience.
Right. Like the old joke, frequently told by politicians who feel they can do nothing right in the eyes of the media: "If I walked on water the press would claim I can't swim." I think Dawkins kind of "nailed it" [ :shifty: ] with his tweet about the "logic" that many use (paraphrasing from memory): "Saying A is worse than B leads some to 'you B-apologist! (witch!!!11!!)'"
Michael J wrote:I must say that I am disappointed in Dawkins. I don't know why he is incapable of ignoring these idiots. I've noticed this with other issues in that Dawkins will always react to any criticism no matter who says it.
Maybe. While one can ignore the odd fly or mosquito buzzing about, when there is a whole swarm of them one kind of has to respond - what we need is a "FftB bug spray" ....

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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ccdimage wrote:
Steersman wrote: <snip used liberally>
As for the definition of a historical Jesus, that seems, as I had said before, very much open for debate as confirmed by this article and quote:
By the 21st century the "maximalist" approaches of the 19th century which accepted all the gospels and the "minimalist" trends of the early 20th century which totally rejected them were abandoned and scholars began to focus on what is historically probable and plausible about Jesus.
There is some interesting stuff in there. There seems to be little agreement about anything other than Jesus was a Jew who was baptised by John and Crucified.
Indeed. Definitely an interesting puzzle how, possibly, a few facts have grown into the Catholic Church and a religion subscribed to by some billion people. Probably says something not particularly flattering about humanity's gullibility.
ccdimage wrote:Sigh. Wikipedia can be a sack of crap.
It can be – I’m kind of amazed that it works as well as it does. I guess there must be a voting system of some sort so the odd crazy doesn’t derail things too badly or for very long.
ccdimage wrote:Which brings me to the idea that I floated about there being more than one Jesus I am calling it the Multi-Jesus hypothesis.
I’ve periodically toyed with the similar idea – Jesus and his twin brother – Irving – for example. One crucified and the other waving from his cave before departing on a trip to the East, but never to be heard of again. Probably a great many other similar possibilities with the “Real Truth” lost to history. Seems about all that can be done is to draw parallels with similar messiah claimants over the millennia.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Skep tickle wrote:
"Not having the greatest hearing and partially relying on some lip reading to fully understand people" sounds like a really good reason to have hearing tested. (Or perhaps she has & just isn't mentioning that here.)

An additional possibility, though there's some controversy over whether it exists, would be auditory processing disorder.
I read that statement to the spousal unit, after she caught her breath, she gave me a ten minute lecture on why there is no controversy that auditory processing disorders exist. Perhaps, some types of APD, but not APD itself. She reeled off so much info that I couldn't take most in, but if your ears are working OK, but you've had a stroke in the part of the brain the processes sound, you may not hear well, or at all (or the sound is processed incorrectly)...APD. Made sense the way she explained it (she's an SLP with 25-30 years experience).

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Guest wrote:Question, do you guys have any real, unbiased sources for the whole "Wage Gap is a Myth" thing? I've been looking around at those sources, but it's starting to look like a lot of them are Conservative think-tanks. It sounds plausible to me, but it looks like they could also be bullshitting. Thanks.
My own belief is that "Wage gap is a myth" is itself bullshit. Starting point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male-femal ... er_pay_gap

Besides, any claims of "Wage gap is a myth" should also be able able to explain the outcomes of experiments such as this (tl;dr version: send CVs that are identical except in the name and measure the call back).

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Guest wrote:Feminist Frequency's Sarkeesian an opportunistic con-artist?
[youtube]gcPIu3sDkEw[/youtube]
Oh, wow. :lol:

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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mordacious1 wrote: I read that statement to the spousal unit, after she caught her breath, she gave me a ten minute lecture on why there is no controversy that auditory processing disorders exist. Perhaps, some types of APD, but not APD itself. She reeled off so much info that I couldn't take most in, but if your ears are working OK, but you've had a stroke in the part of the brain the processes sound, you may not hear well, or at all (or the sound is processed incorrectly)...APD. Made sense the way she explained it (she's an SLP with 25-30 years experience).
I've no trouble accepting that a variety of auditory processing disorders exist, and that they can be disabling and/or require specialist treatment. An APD could be developmental in origin or arise later in life: following trauma, or as a consequence of a stroke or other illness.

However, Jen's maladies always seem like convenient factitious disorders that she dreams up to gain sympathy and blog hits, or to make excuses for herself. I doubt that she's not had her hearing tested properly - she's a privileged white American* living in a major city with excellent healthcare services. If anxiety is the reason for her phone phobia, fine. But I'm not giving her the benefit of the doubt on any structural or cognitive auditory disorders - she's proved to be dishonest before.

And why can't there be more phone-phobics in my area? There seems to be a plethora of people who spend so much time gabbing on their phones, that they may as well have them surgically attached to their temporal bones.

*Full disclosure: I'm a privileged white American who has mild hyperacusis and who loves listening to audiobooks. No APD here. Communication by phone isn't my favorite thing, but I have no phobias or anxieties about it (apart from the rare instances in which I've had to converse in German or Spanish on the phone - yikes!).

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Guest wrote:Feminist Frequency's Sarkeesian an opportunistic con-artist?
[youtube]gcPIu3sDkEw[/youtube]
Can't say I'm surprised. It's the hipster imperative to find a space that's popular and change it to the point where they feel comfortable in it.
If you watch the video, it's not just the "male domination" that bothers her, but the violence; she likes adventure and casual games. Now, a normal person would just say, "hey, I'll join some forum for people who share my video game interests." But the entitled asshole must move beyond that and try to make their favorites more popular by tearing down the top sellers.
Luckily, Sarkeesian was given the middle finger and no one is looking to be her BFF or cry for her every time she gets a splinter.

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Kareem wrote:
Guest wrote:Feminist Frequency's Sarkeesian an opportunistic con-artist?
[youtube]gcPIu3sDkEw[/youtube]
Can't say I'm surprised. It's the hipster imperative to find a [bold]space[/bold] that's popular and change it to the point where they feel comfortable in it.
If you watch the video, it's not just the "male domination" that bothers her, but the violence; she likes adventure and casual games. Now, a normal person would just say, "hey, I'll join some forum for people who share my video game interests." But the entitled asshole must move beyond that and try to make their favorites more popular by tearing down the top sellers.
Luckily, Sarkeesian was given the middle finger and no one is looking to be her BFF or cry for her every time she gets a splinter.
IMHO, it's the hipster imperative to use the word [bold]space[/bold] to refer to anything but the cold, dark, unsafe place that sits above the atmosphere.

Now get off my fucking lawn!

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BarnOwl wrote: However, Jen's maladies always seem like convenient factitious disorders that she dreams up to gain sympathy and blog hits, or to make excuses for herself.
Hahahahaha Whatever happened to Watsons 'I cant see peoples faces' 'disease'? (whatever the hell that was)

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http://i.imgur.com/OVoCD6q.png

Why does Greta Christina - Mrs "sex-positive, any-kink-is-not-kinky-enough-for-me, unicorn-sex" - think that fucking something is not an insult enough? That it needs to be specified to fucking up the arse?

What a homophobic idea this is, that anal sex is worse than vaginal, oral, aural or nasal.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/ ... -buddhist/

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What do people here think about the overwhelmingly one-sided article on Anita Sarkeesian on Wikipedia? The consensus on the talk page suggests there are no credible notable sources out there that are critical of her. If that's true, it's got to be one of Wikipedia's fatal weaknesses. I've noticed the same trend on other biographical articles that are similarly whitewashed.

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ERV wrote:
BarnOwl wrote: However, Jen's maladies always seem like convenient factitious disorders that she dreams up to gain sympathy and blog hits, or to make excuses for herself.
Hahahahaha Whatever happened to Watsons 'I cant see peoples faces' 'disease'? (whatever the hell that was)
I believe it's called being pissed out of your head.

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:http://i.imgur.com/OVoCD6q.png

Why does Greta Christina - Mrs "sex-positive, any-kink-is-not-kinky-enough-for-me, unicorn-sex" - think that fucking something is not an insult enough? That it needs to be specified to fucking up the arse?

What a homophobic idea this is, that anal sex is worse than vaginal, oral, aural or nasal.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/ ... -buddhist/
You seem to be forgetting the Grotty Christina fucking herself up the arse with a dildo video (now I wish I could forget it).

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Kareem wrote: If you watch the video, it's not just the "male domination" that bothers her, but the violence; she likes adventure and casual games.
What I liked is how, at least as of 2-3 years ago, she didn't seem to be aware that game genres other than FPS/TPS existed. Fast-forward to the present, and now she's suddenly turned into a lifelong gamer.

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bhoytony wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:http://i.imgur.com/OVoCD6q.png

Why does Greta Christina - Mrs "sex-positive, any-kink-is-not-kinky-enough-for-me, unicorn-sex" - think that fucking something is not an insult enough? That it needs to be specified to fucking up the arse?

What a homophobic idea this is, that anal sex is worse than vaginal, oral, aural or nasal.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/ ... -buddhist/
You seem to be forgetting the Grotty Christina fucking herself up the arse with a dildo video (now I wish I could forget it).
What???

Is this something franc knocked up for his own pleasure, or something real? Link?

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bhoytony wrote:
You seem to be forgetting the Grotty Christina fucking herself up the arse with a dildo video (now I wish I could forget it).
Wait....

Really?

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ERV wrote:
BarnOwl wrote: However, Jen's maladies always seem like convenient factitious disorders that she dreams up to gain sympathy and blog hits, or to make excuses for herself.
Hahahahaha Whatever happened to Watsons 'I cant see peoples faces' 'disease'? (whatever the hell that was)
Prosopagnosia. And if she's got face-blindness, I'm the queen of Sheeba.

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BarnOwl wrote: <snip>

I've no trouble accepting that a variety of auditory processing disorders exist, and that they can be disabling and/or require specialist treatment. An APD could be developmental in origin or arise later in life: following trauma, or as a consequence of a stroke or other illness.

However, Jen's maladies always seem like convenient factitious disorders that she dreams up to gain sympathy and blog hits, or to make excuses for herself. I doubt that she's not had her hearing tested properly - she's a privileged white American* living in a major city with excellent healthcare services. If anxiety is the reason for her phone phobia, fine. But I'm not giving her the benefit of the doubt on any structural or cognitive auditory disorders - she's proved to be dishonest before.
<snip>

I do know that people on the autistic spectrum do tend to have anxiety issues and also ADP. My spouse has mostly autistic kids on her caseload and most of them have ADP. My son, who is autistic (among other things) has decreased myelination in the brain, leading to some of his processing disfunctions. We have to write things down for him to fully understand and visual aids are very helpful. My point is, little Jenny could very well have the issues described. That being said, there are many people who will claim disorders for sympathy and as an excuse for their foibles. Also, Jen HAS cried wolf enough times for us to be skeptical, so I understand your position.

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Jen's Phone Problem, comments section: part 2

The first 44 replies to Jen McCreight's telephone-problem-- were uniformly "me too".

The remaining 43 Comments weren't so unanimously afflicted.

So the following mega-mix of cherry-picked quotes-- is not a representative sample.
Just the derpy bits:
. Were it not for my understanding family and partner, I’d never be able to organise so many things that require a phone call
. It’s cost me a lot of money because I couldn’t call businesses to sort of any sort of disputes or overcharges, and it hurt my health a lot as I have a chronic illness and had incredible anxiety about making doctor’s appointments to deal with it.
. when somebody said something that I had not anticipated, it was like they were speaking a foreign language
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I started to use a pizza place that took orders online so that I would have to talk on the phone. Their pizza wasn’t even good, but it was better than having to face the phone.
. Aaaaaahhh! <runs>
(“That’s how I mostly react,” he said, whispering pseudonomously from a corner of the internet)
. Just wanted to say, my wife and I are scared of the phone too.
. For years I thought I was the only “weirdo” (said by people when talking about my phone issues) in the world who couldn’t stand to talk on the phone. It’s gotten so bad that I’ve gradually cut off just about all my relationships because the fewer people I know and am close to, the fewer people there are who will call me. That leaves me feeling sad and alone, but the alternative is to talk on the phone…ugh.

. calling someone is effectively like walking into their room, banging on their desk and wailing “talk to me now… talk to me now… talk to me now…”. We have come to accept this as if it’s normal but it is actually spectacularly rude.
. Research in the US showed that it took the average worker 25 minutes to regain full focus on a task after being interrupted. Even if you only get a work phone call every half hour that’s very little work done in a day!


. 

. When I was a kid and the phone rang, my parents would practically injure themselves in their race to answer it. I just see it as someone invading my time and space. If they want to talk to me, they can damn well do it when I’m ready. Of course, this means that nobody *does* want to talk to me. But I’m happy with that, win-win!


. The actual talking part isn’t so bad, but picking up? Worrying afterward about what I said? The horror of checking my voicemail? Augh.
. Yayyyy, anxious introverts who hate telephones, unite!
. I also have anxiety about email, though, so I don’t want to encourage people to email me.
. The noise of a phone sets off my anxiety even when it isn’t a real phone – like on TV or people’s alarm tones. I have my mobile tone set to the Mario theme so at least I can be startled by something pleasant and catchy that I don’t hate. Doesn’t work, the vibrating still sets me off since I’ve always got the damned thing on silent mode. Sigh.
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. nobody I actually knew has the number – including me

. I still have phone related anxieties, myself, but I also used to have really bad text/IM anxiety even worse.
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. Jen, are you me?
. all the stuff...is me a billion percent. “Oh, hey, mispronounced someone’s name? Enjoy feeling like a worthless piece of shit when you remember it two years later!”
Fuck brains.

. And when I found out I’m not a unique weirdo, and that phone anxiety is apparently a thing, and a thing that’s turned out pretty common among my acquaintances? That was a mix of anger that no one ever suggested that was a thing one could be “legitimately” anxious about, and relief at finding out there are others.
. I’ve solved this problem by not having a phone.
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. this, for me, includes IM and chat functions.
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. it feels like that “hi” is an obligation to be social when I’m doing something else and don’t have the spoons for socializing much.
. I’ve had phone-phobia my entire adult life, which (if you start with the assumption that I did in fact become an adult at the usual time)
. Wow. Are you me?
. I could have written this post exactly, if I weren’t a terrible writer. Medication has helped somewhat. It now only takes a few minutes to psyche myself up to make a phone call, instead of hours or days. Rehearsal is still a requirement beforehand though. 

. Does the actual sound of a phone dialling out and then ringing (and ringing and ringing…) get you too?


. i’m so anxious on the phone that i write MY number on a piece of paper, in case someone asks. 

. I get the same cold-pit-of-terror feeling in my stomach when I’m told I have to make a phone call as I do when I’m told I’ve been laid off from my job. I _can_ call for pizza and such things nowadays, but I have to mentally prepare for it (sometimes for hours or even days) 

FWIW, a few years ago, I become fully deaf in one ear. This was corrected by surgery victim blaming.
Today my hearing is much closer normal, ableist, audiotypical, stereonormative-binary.

However, one symptom remains. Sometimes, when I can't discern spoken words, my butt hurts.

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
bhoytony wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:http://i.imgur.com/OVoCD6q.png

Why does Greta Christina - Mrs "sex-positive, any-kink-is-not-kinky-enough-for-me, unicorn-sex" - think that fucking something is not an insult enough? That it needs to be specified to fucking up the arse?

What a homophobic idea this is, that anal sex is worse than vaginal, oral, aural or nasal.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/ ... -buddhist/
You seem to be forgetting the Grotty Christina fucking herself up the arse with a dildo video (now I wish I could forget it).
What???

Is this something franc knocked up for his own pleasure, or something real? Link?
She's always bragging about her "porn career" and it was posted here a long time ago, but I don't have the link, maybe somebody here can remember who made the post. I didn't click on it at the time (why would you?), but it seemed to be legit as far as I can remember.

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ERV wrote:
BarnOwl wrote: However, Jen's maladies always seem like convenient factitious disorders that she dreams up to gain sympathy and blog hits, or to make excuses for herself.
Hahahahaha Whatever happened to Watsons 'I cant see peoples faces' 'disease'? (whatever the hell that was)

Prosopagnosia, which is a medical term for "Elevator Guy is a complete fiction so I'll pretend I have prosopagnosia".

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Guest wrote:Feminist Frequency's Sarkeesian an opportunistic con-artist?
[youtube]gcPIu3sDkEw[/youtube]

Interesting ....


http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... mpsons.gif

Although, I would be happier if I could see her video in broader context. I can't really trust short quote with lots of edits.

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Kareem wrote:
Guest wrote:Feminist Frequency's Sarkeesian an opportunistic con-artist?
[youtube]gcPIu3sDkEw[/youtube]
Can't say I'm surprised. It's the hipster imperative to find a space that's popular and change it to the point where they feel comfortable in it.
If you watch the video, it's not just the "male domination" that bothers her, but the violence; she likes adventure and casual games. Now, a normal person would just say, "hey, I'll join some forum for people who share my video game interests." But the entitled asshole must move beyond that and try to make their favorites more popular by tearing down the top sellers.
Luckily, Sarkeesian was given the middle finger and no one is looking to be her BFF or cry for her every time she gets a splinter.
Yeah, the goal is to tear down instead of building up. I knew this from the get-go...it was clear that in reality these "tropes" are not what she's really talking about. She doesn't like what the games themselves actually are and want a bunch of non-violent adventure and exploration based games...which is actually fine. I'm all for those games getting made and I enjoy them as well. The problem is that she wants to replace A with B because she believes that A are representative of "male" things which she despises and B are representative of "female" things which she loves. It ties into her sexist worldview

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
bhoytony wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:http://i.imgur.com/OVoCD6q.png

Why does Greta Christina - Mrs "sex-positive, any-kink-is-not-kinky-enough-for-me, unicorn-sex" - think that fucking something is not an insult enough? That it needs to be specified to fucking up the arse?

What a homophobic idea this is, that anal sex is worse than vaginal, oral, aural or nasal.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/ ... -buddhist/
You seem to be forgetting the Grotty Christina fucking herself up the arse with a dildo video (now I wish I could forget it).
What???

Is this something franc knocked up for his own pleasure, or something real? Link?
She did a post on it sometime ago, apparently before she was with FftB:
http://www.gretachristina.com/thinking.html

But that does tend to make her expletives a little inconsistent - not that consistency is their strong suit ....

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Trophy wrote:
Guest wrote:Question, do you guys have any real, unbiased sources for the whole "Wage Gap is a Myth" thing? I've been looking around at those sources, but it's starting to look like a lot of them are Conservative think-tanks. It sounds plausible to me, but it looks like they could also be bullshitting. Thanks.


Besides, any claims of "Wage gap is a myth" should also be able able to explain the outcomes of experiments such as this (tl;dr version: send CVs that are identical except in the name and measure the call back).
That experiment dealt with race, not gender. Candidates with names like Lakisha or Jamal receive less callbacks than those named Emily and Greg.

My first-impression response is that this effect has more to do with class than race. It's not that the names Lakisha and Jamal sound black so much as they sound poor and ghetto. The study actually goes on to bear this impression out, as it shows that the effect disappears when the Lakisha/Jamal candidates have resumes that indicate they come from wealthy neighborhoods.

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bhoytony wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
You seem to be forgetting the Grotty Christina fucking herself up the arse with a dildo video (now I wish I could forget it).

She's always bragging about her "porn career" and it was posted here a long time ago, but I don't have the link, maybe somebody here can remember who made the post. I didn't click on it at the time (why would you?), but it seemed to be legit as far as I can remember.
I was straight before I watched it. Don't go looking for it.

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katamari Damassi wrote:
bhoytony wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
You seem to be forgetting the Grotty Christina fucking herself up the arse with a dildo video (now I wish I could forget it).

She's always bragging about her "porn career" and it was posted here a long time ago, but I don't have the link, maybe somebody here can remember who made the post. I didn't click on it at the time (why would you?), but it seemed to be legit as far as I can remember.
I was straight before I watched it. Don't go looking for it.
Interesting. So, theoretically, a similar video of PZ could revolutionize the ex-gay movement by providing a genuine effective conversion tool.

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bovarchist wrote:
Trophy wrote:
Guest wrote:Question, do you guys have any real, unbiased sources for the whole "Wage Gap is a Myth" thing? I've been looking around at those sources, but it's starting to look like a lot of them are Conservative think-tanks. It sounds plausible to me, but it looks like they could also be bullshitting. Thanks.


Besides, any claims of "Wage gap is a myth" should also be able able to explain the outcomes of experiments such as this (tl;dr version: send CVs that are identical except in the name and measure the call back).
That experiment dealt with race, not gender. Candidates with names like Lakisha or Jamal receive less callbacks than those named Emily and Greg.

My first-impression response is that this effect has more to do with class than race. It's not that the names Lakisha and Jamal sound black so much as they sound poor and ghetto. The study actually goes on to bear this impression out, as it shows that the effect disappears when the Lakisha/Jamal candidates have resumes that indicate they come from wealthy neighborhoods.
Ding Ding Ding.

Class is the big dividing factor...often times race and even sometimes gender are simply "class markers", but the actual pivot point is class. It makes a lot of sense when you realize that the way things used to work was that you could get a BA in Basket Weaving and from there move into a wide variety of jobs, as by getting that degree you proved your class bonafides.

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ccdimage wrote:In Jen's flounce post.
Conspicuous Silence After the Death of Narendra Dabholkar -
“Can you imagine the outcry if Dawkins, Randi, or Harris had been violently slain for their beliefs? Twitter, the blogosphere, and all major organizations would be promoting the story. For months, not a day would go by without a new piece written about their fine work and untimely or violent demise. But the community has been relatively silent following the death of Narendra Dabholkar. Hopefully as time goes on, we will all find ourselves recognizing him for the voice that he was, and for the work that will inevitably impact the country he called home.”
You can read more about Dabholkar’s work and assassination in Greta Christina’s piece, A Martyr of Modern Skepticism: The Assassination of Prominent Atheist Narendra Dabholkar.
So one of the reasons for her leaving is Atheist blogs are shitty and not dealing with important issues like the murder of comrades in arms. Atheist bloggers should be dealing with important issues not sending people off to manipulate a Fox News poll by an insignificant amount or some other bullshit like that. Yep some atheist blogs are sacks of crap. Hey I agree. I learnt about the murder in the newspaper but there were many posts and links about it at richarddawkins.net.
I can't find any posts on either Jen's or Greta's blogs about the Bangladeshi atheist blogger who was murdered earlier this year. Be the change you want to see in the world, and all that...

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Service Dog wrote:Jen's Phone Problem, comments section: part 2

The first 44 replies to Jen McCreight's telephone-problem-- were uniformly "me too".

The remaining 43 Comments weren't so unanimously afflicted.

So the following mega-mix of cherry-picked quotes-- is not a representative sample.
Just the derpy bits:

<snipped derpy>

Sometimes, when I can't discern spoken words, my butt hurts.
Maybe they're afraid of microwave radiation. Mix that with cell phones and it gets serious.


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@bovarchist:

The original question was about "wage gap" which to me implies both gender and racial wage gap. Besides, similar experiments have been done with respect to gender as well (http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/perdita/GenderBias/).

And finally, regarding " It's not that the names Lakisha and Jamal sound black so much as they sound poor and ghetto" you are just entering a technicality. You are basically saying "So if black-sounding names are discriminated against not because they are black sounding but because they are stereotypically ghetto and poor, then is it really racism?" which could be a valid philosophical discussion but ultimately irrelevant because the wage gap and discussions of discrimination are ultimately about stereotypes and the amazing ability of us humans to be subconsciously biased against certain groups based on culture or prior experience while operating under the illusion of absolute objectivity. I believe very few people believe that people of a certain race are incapable of doing certain other jobs and very few deliberately and openly discriminate against groups hit by negative stereotypes. In fact, in the above link you'll see evidence that women also discriminate against women which is in agreement with the view that the root cause of such discrimination is the subconscious biases; of course such subconscious biases can hit many different stereotypes all at the same time. Maybe in some area Irish sounding names could do worse than black sounding names for example and if that true, that would not contradict the above evidence.

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Some people say they want to know the name of Aratina Cage, provided that, and ONLY provided that it is clearly made public under no doxxing circumstances. Is his name known to the public like oolons and can anyone point me to it? Please PM me. Thanks. :)

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Crommunist wrote:Hmm… I still have access to the FtB server. Apparently the whole “plugging the security loopholes” lesson hasn’t quite been learned, given that you’re reading this post right now. Anyway, just thought I’d throw this out there, since it’s something that I did in January and is finally now seeing the light of day.
LOL. The FTB crowd is such a bunch of pros, esp. Thimbledick, their cybermeister.

PZ weighs in with a first! comment:
Pissface Meyers wrote:Maybe it’s a hint that we don’t want you to leave.

You could just make the occasional post when you feel like it…as you’ve done here.
(Peewee Zerman's "We meant to do that!" moment")

Yes, he could just make the occasional post - like Natalie Reed, whose blog remains on the FTB frontpage like a rotting mushroom.
Crommunist wrote:Pfft, you just keep me on the front page for affirmative action quota purposes. I’m hip to your jive, turkey.

But seriously, thanks for saying that.
It's a sad and beautiful world.

If you want to enjoy Ian's man-tits and partake of videos reflecting his authentic British Columbian Urkel Experience (no jive, turkey!), applied to fighting racism in the zombie apocalypse, check out the post:

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http://www.freezepage.com/1379286045WEMWPWXRZH

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Service Dog wrote:On Aug 28, Jen McCreight blogged about her suffering from debilitating anxiety when using the telephone— which is so severe that she describes it as “mental illness”.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/blaghag/201 ... ng-device/

She listed six symptoms as bullet points, with effects ranging from trivial to life-stunting. For example, she is thrown completely off her game a simple question such as, “Would you like flour or corn tortillas?”. This problem caused her to resign a job and even prevented her from obtaining a therapist for the problem, until she could find a therapist who would book an appointment using only email.

Her post yielded 87 replies.
I predicted Jen’s disease would spread like wildfire among the hypochondriac Munchausens of the FtB Special Victims Unit. To test my hypothesis, I read each numbered reply and have excerpted statements indicating those who say they share Jen’s serious telephone ailment.

These are excerpts from the first 45 comments:
Yes, and the FTB bullies get their panties in a wad when I (and others) flat-out say that we don't believe them. That I think they're mostly liars or massive exaggerators.

And they're not the only zealots. I knew many Pentecostals who like and fake for Jesus on a constant basis. Long after becoming an atheist I still went to church. My favorites were the Pentecostals. Talk about a room full of fakers. Speaking in 'tongues' (but never in a real language like in the bible). Translating the speaking in tongues (always a laugh). The ever vague 'gifts of prophecy' (think Pat Robertson and all his failures). And the list goes on and on and on...

These people and their strving for the Gold Medal in the Victim Olympics. There might be a few honest victims in the bunch, but most of them (as far as I can see) are like this woman:

http://tinyurl.com/arrn3mb

Compulsive liar jailed after 11 false rape claims in decade

A compulsive liar made almost a dozen false claims that she was raped in nearly a decade after making her first complaint at the age of 13, a court has heard.

Elizabeth Jones, 22, admitted she lied about the latest rape allegation because she “did not like” the man she accused of attacking her, Southampton Crown Court was told.
Or this one: http://tinyurl.com/mndd8hg
Woman is finally jailed after FIVE false rape allegations against her ex-boyfriends in eight years
Like I said way earlier in this thread. The chances of a white woman being raped once in her life is 7%. The chances of being raped twice is less than one-half percent. Yet many of these women tell us they've been raped multiple times (four or more separate instances). So many times that it stretches the boundaries of credulity.

And yet I'm "bad misogynist" for pointing out the story is so unlikely that it's not believable.

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James Caruthers wrote:We all have unreasonable fears. That's fine, we all have things to work on. But getting together with a group of other phobic people, some of whom are almost certainly unhinged hypochondriacs, is only going to aggravate the problem. FTB is the worst place for the sufferer of a phobia or victim of a crime to go. The victim mentality they encourage will probably be crippling. Instead of getting help, a bunch of victims and pretend victim bullies sit in a circle and verbally jerk each other off about how bad they have it. Dwelling on a phobia only makes it seem more impossible to overcome.
I am an unhinged hypochondriac, and I approve this message. :)

The good hypochondriac forums are those where someone posts about their problem, and everyone else goes, SHUT UP YOU'RE FUCKING CRAZY GET A FUCKING HOBBY MORON.

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Aneris wrote:Some people say they want to know the name of Aratina Cage, provided that, and ONLY provided that it is clearly made public under no doxxing circumstances. Is his name known to the public like oolons and can anyone point me to it? Please PM me. Thanks. :)
Billy Corgan.

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BarnOwl wrote:
welch wrote:
I love it when they quote leviticus, then when you quote leviticus back at them, say "JESUS MADE THAT PART IRRELEVANT" then go back to quoting leviticus at you.

Well, not love per se, but it's interesting to watch.
The plagues of Egypt in Exodus always creeped me out when I was a kid. I mean seriously, Yahweh, WTF?
Some truly bizarre and rather horrific psychology wrapped up in Christianity and Islam.

Bertrand Russell:
The infliction of cruelty with a good conscience is a delight to moralists – that is why they invented hell.
Not that “Jehovah” is particularly nasty, only that those doing the “projecting” of their psychology on to “Gawd” need to have their heads examined. As another case in point, a “nice” example of schadenfreude, Wikipedia has this on an English cleric, Frederic William Farrar (1831-1903):
Farrar was a believer in universal reconciliation and thought that all people would eventually be saved, a view he promoted in a series of 1877 sermons. He originated the term "abominable fancy" for the longstanding Christian idea that the eternal punishment of the damned would entertain the saved.
Along the same line and justifying the “longstanding” adjective, Dawkins quotes St. Thomas Aquinas who said in his Summa Theologica:
That the saints may enjoy their beatitude and the grace of God more abundantly they are permitted to see the punishment of the damned in hell. [The God Delusion; pg 360]
Dawkins’ comment to that was “nice man”, which he followed up with a more contemporary manifestation of that attitude with a quote of Anne Coulter: “I defy any of my coreligionists to tell me that they do not laugh at the idea of Dawkins burning in hell.” [pg 360]

People of course can be rather nasty even if they’re atheist, but having “Gawd” in one’s pocket seems to add an extra edge to it.

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ReneeHendricks wrote:
How do these people function??? I mean, a telephone conversation is more distressing than a face-to-face??
I had a problem with phones when I fist got out of the military. Mine had to do with I was on constant call and had to be reachable anywhere, anytime unless I was on leave. Even when I was on leave I had to check in every day in case of recall. It was nothing special or important regarding me on a personal level. It just went with my job and everyone who had my particular specialty.

But all those years of being a slave to the goddam phone used to just grind on me. So, when I got out I didn't own a phone for (maybe) five years (maybe a bit less). I'd talk on a phone. I just wouldn't have one in my house and if people wanted to contact me, they had to write or drive over to my house.

Eventually I got a phone. There's only so far you can do something like this before it starts causing problems with family, work and social life. But, sometimes, I think about going off the grid. Buying some land in the Pacific Coast Range and just getting back to nature. Maybe raise some goats. Or some pot. Or something. Just turn into a hippie-redneck hybrid.

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Badger3k wrote:Melody Hensley once chipped a nail, so she knows what it feels like to be murdered.
Did she mis-strike it with her screwdriver? I'm sure, somewhere on YouTube, there is a video on how to properly drive nails with a screwdriver.

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Tribble wrote: Like I said way earlier in this thread. The chances of a white woman being raped once in her life is 7%. The chances of being raped twice is less than one-half percent. Yet many of these women tell us they've been raped multiple times (four or more separate instances). So many times that it stretches the boundaries of credulity.

And yet I'm "bad misogynist" for pointing out the story is so unlikely that it's not believable.
I actually agree with your sentiment. But to be fair - they are a self-selected group of people. And on top of that I would bet that the segment of white women that actually do get raped at least once, are probably in areas/situations/social stratas where they are at elevated risk of getting raped some more.(or am I misunderstanding the stats?) Having said that I really do believe that it is at least as likely that many of these internet victims are making this shit up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Monster
Check out this article about the "London Monster". Some psycho went around and wounded women. He wounded only pretty women. Once it got out that he targeted pretty women, a bunch of women started to cut themselves, to gain the prestige of having been "chosen" by the "Monster".
Think about it, some women were willing to hurt themselves physically, doing this without the amplifying effect of the internet, just to get attention, sympathy and a badge of honour back in the days. It's almost unimaginable that some portion of the FTB victim's department isn't making this shit up.

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Trophy wrote:
Guest wrote:Question, do you guys have any real, unbiased sources for the whole "Wage Gap is a Myth" thing? I've been looking around at those sources, but it's starting to look like a lot of them are Conservative think-tanks. It sounds plausible to me, but it looks like they could also be bullshitting. Thanks.
My own belief is that "Wage gap is a myth" is itself bullshit. Starting point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male-femal ... er_pay_gap

Besides, any claims of "Wage gap is a myth" should also be able able to explain the outcomes of experiments such as this (tl;dr version: send CVs that are identical except in the name and measure the call back).
Well, if you accept Swedish statistics:
http://www.mi.se/files/PDF-er/ar_foreig ... s_2012.pdf

The weighted difference, when occupation, job sector, level of education, number of working hours, etc, is accounted for, is 6.1%. So yeah, there's still a gap (here in Sweden at least) that we should try to address, but it's also hardly as big as it's made out to be by the feminists, who prefer to use the unweighted numbers, which are more than the double.

I suspect most western countries have some sort of government agency or branch that deal with national statistics like wages? They should have statistics on wage differences, and if they have any competence when it comes to statistics (and they should, since it's their job) they should have weighted statistics where you can see how big the real, non-exaggerated gap is.

(btw, MI is a Swedish government agency that among other things deal with exactly wage statistics, not a think-tank of any color, you can read more here)

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Karmakin wrote:
Ding Ding Ding.

Class is the big dividing factor...often times race and even sometimes gender are simply "class markers", but the actual pivot point is class. It makes a lot of sense when you realize that the way things used to work was that you could get a BA in Basket Weaving and from there move into a wide variety of jobs, as by getting that degree you proved your class bonafides.
Pretty much. You can be an alcoholic, coke-head, draft-dodging dim-bulb and get into Yale then Harvard and become President if you have the right connections. OTOH, without them, your chances getting into those schools were slim indeed, even if you were among the best of the best of the best.

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Trophy wrote:
Guest wrote:Question, do you guys have any real, unbiased sources for the whole "Wage Gap is a Myth" thing? I've been looking around at those sources, but it's starting to look like a lot of them are Conservative think-tanks. It sounds plausible to me, but it looks like they could also be bullshitting. Thanks.
My own belief is that "Wage gap is a myth" is itself bullshit. Starting point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male-femal ... er_pay_gap
I have no doubt a wage gap exists even though I believe I have seen reports that young women generally out-earn young men all other factors being equall today.

What remains to be seen is what happens when said same young women start having children. I suspect that the gap is going to reappear based on them not working as long as men generally speaking.

I also suspect that people like myself getting burned by them buggering off to have children after all the resources I invested in training them might be a factor.

Why do I consider myself burned? Because I was not getting the same return on investment as I would if I had invested in a man instead.

However, I had no reluctance whatsoever if I felt sure she was a lesbian and/or had no interest in reproducing* (true story BTW ... that was the main reason one woman got the job) or was past the point where her kids had flown the nest.

That might explain this bit,but who knows?
"The portion of the pay gap that remains unexplained after all other factors are taken into account is 5 percent one year after graduation and 12 percent 10 years after graduation. These unexplained gaps are evidence of discrimination, which remains a serious problem for women in the work force.
Yabut this is about race? I am not sure what you are trying a say here. Please expand how the following is related to the above.
Trophy wrote: Besides, any claims of "Wage gap is a myth" should also be able able to explain the outcomes of experiments such as this (tl;dr version: send CVs that are identical except in the name and measure the call back).
Speaking for myself I never cared and none of the people I associated with actually cared about your race. Of course, while my area had quite a few honkies most of them were immigrants, Poland, Chek, Russia, a couple from the UK and the rest either from India or China. We only wanted to know if you could do the job, and never cared about much else.

I did hear about one shop that was almost exclusively Chinks but that was exceptional enough to be very noticable. Their manager was a Honkie so perhaps he had a fetish for Chinks? Dunno.



* I had a supervisor of the Database group inform me that he was going to fill a vacancy with, and I quote "a young urban faggot" because his staff who were married displayed a profound lack of interest in being paged at 3:00 am or otherwise inconvenient hours.

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Cliché Guevara wrote:Haha: Princess Highground
Brilliant - starring Sally Strange, with an initial cameo from Ceepolk.

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Parody Accountant wrote:
Aneris wrote:Some people say they want to know the name of Aratina Cage, provided that, and ONLY provided that it is clearly made public under no doxxing circumstances. Is his name known to the public like oolons and can anyone point me to it? Please PM me. Thanks. :)
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Wrong. It's Lafayette R. Hubbard III.

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Re: Jen McWrong's telephone trouble due to lack of visual clues.

I presume she would have trouble speaking to a Muslim in a burqa, then? You can just imagine the nightmare that would befall McWrong in that situation, wondering if she could ask the Muslim woman to show her face a bit more - just for her!

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Cliché Guevara wrote:Haha: Princess Highground
Holy fuck that's an accurate run down of things.

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acathode wrote:
Trophy wrote:
Guest wrote:Question, do you guys have any real, unbiased sources for the whole "Wage Gap is a Myth" thing? I've been looking around at those sources, but it's starting to look like a lot of them are Conservative think-tanks. It sounds plausible to me, but it looks like they could also be bullshitting. Thanks.
My own belief is that "Wage gap is a myth" is itself bullshit. Starting point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male-femal ... er_pay_gap

Besides, any claims of "Wage gap is a myth" should also be able able to explain the outcomes of experiments such as this (tl;dr version: send CVs that are identical except in the name and measure the call back).
Well, if you accept Swedish statistics:
http://www.mi.se/files/PDF-er/ar_foreig ... s_2012.pdf

The weighted difference, when occupation, job sector, level of education, number of working hours, etc, is accounted for, is 6.1%. So yeah, there's still a gap (here in Sweden at least) that we should try to address, but it's also hardly as big as it's made out to be by the feminists, who prefer to use the unweighted numbers, which are more than the double.

I suspect most western countries have some sort of government agency or branch that deal with national statistics like wages? They should have statistics on wage differences, and if they have any competence when it comes to statistics (and they should, since it's their job) they should have weighted statistics where you can see how big the real, non-exaggerated gap is.

(btw, MI is a Swedish government agency that among other things deal with exactly wage statistics, not a think-tank of any color, you can read more here)
Here's an experiment.

Start a man and a woman at the same salary. Say they do an exactly equal job, and they get an equivalent performance bonus. Then have the woman take two years off to have children.

If it's a 2.5% yearly performance bonus, minus those two years you'll actually get a roughly 6% difference in overall pay.

There are ways to counter-act this..mostly revolving around getting rid of raises for individual performances. But there's so little interest in doing this, that unless you're willing to take that step any action to 100% fix the gender gap is actually going to leave men worse off.

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ReneeHendricks wrote:Ok. So someone enlighten me. Who is LazySavant (on Twitter)? Is this another Ool0n buddy?
Not quite, though they still seem inclined to extend the benefit of the doubt to ooblong. Not in all things though, to be fair, as apparently he believes that The Block Bot gets users suspended from Twatter, and wouldn't budge from this even though a noob to the whole schism was giving him shit about for several days.

He [along with metalogic/metaphoenix] seems convinced that ooblong wouldn't buy fake follows because he's made fun of others for having fake followers. Personally, after the whole Aviceanna[sp?]/Richard Sanderson rape accusation kerfuffle, I don't feel inclined to believe that.

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Cliché Guevara wrote:Haha: Princess Highground
A flawless masterpiece.

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Service Dog wrote:On Aug 28, Jen McCreight blogged about her suffering from debilitating anxiety when using the telephone— which is so severe that she describes it as “mental illness”.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/blaghag/201 ... ng-device/

She listed six symptoms as bullet points, with effects ranging from trivial to life-stunting. For example, she is thrown completely off her game a simple question such as, “Would you like flour or corn tortillas?”. This problem caused her to resign a job and even prevented her from obtaining a therapist for the problem, until she could find a therapist who would book an appointment using only email.

Her post yielded 87 replies.
I predicted Jen’s disease would spread like wildfire among the hypochondriac Munchausens of the FtB Special Victims Unit. To test my hypothesis, I read each numbered reply and have excerpted statements indicating those who say they share Jen’s serious telephone ailment.

These are excerpts from the first 45 comments:

1. “me too”

2 ”I wouldn’t ever say I’m over it. (I still get palpitations”

3 ”phone anxiety has caused me to miss or stupidly (it feels like) avoid a lot of possibilities that would have made my life considerably better”


4 “QFT, this whole article. I need to send this to everyone I know.”



5 “Yeah, that’s me as well.”


6 ”Often I don’t listen to the voicemail because of the same reasons I don’t answer, and also because I usually have a backlog of scary other voicemails that could cause more anxiety.”


7 “everything you wrote about in the article I can TOTALLY relate to.”



8 “This is me in a nutshell....my parents didn’t want me (or so I feel; that may or may not be true from their perspective, couldn’t tell you)”


9 ”I relate completely as well....Fortunately, few people other than my wife ever actually call me, so it’s not much of a problem.”


10 ”Yes. Most of what you said.”....”Much worse for me is dialing.”


11 “This is why I’m a friendless drone. Nobody *ever* calls me. Or texts me, for that matter. I get spam calls, but if I don’t recognize the number, I don’t answer.”


12 “I did not know anyone else had such issues (namely, having difficulty ordering food items from a menu).”



13 “Well, now I feel better that I’m not the only one with this problem.”


14 “I don’t have the general anxiety about phone calls, but I had a job that for a short time required me to make cold calls to people… It made me feel so anxious and horrible and all kinds of other bad things.”


15 “My diagnosis is an autism spectrum disorder rather than anxiety but I relate heavily to most of this.”


16 “You are SO not alone.”....”It took me years to get help for my anxiety cos calling the doctor was so uncomfortable; it eventually took a massively uncomfortable skin problem to get me to call for an appointment”....”I am utterly incapable of calling employers looking for a job”....”I’ve actually contemplated feigning deafness so I could ask for non-phone contact options without people thinking I’m weird.”


17 “My phone anxiety is partnered with my anxiety about answering the front door. The buzz of the doorbell sends me right into panic mode”


18 “I have the same problem too. I succeeded in pretty much eliminating phone calls from my life”.....”My worst anxiety is with e-mail though.”


19 ”With every bullet point, I am saying, “Yes! This!”

20 “Yup. I do this too.”


21 “Feeling your pain, even though receiving calls from friends is only stressful at the moment because of depression making me so uninterested in speaking with people”....”My boyfriend isn’t happy about calling either, so I get to call the take-out orders (’cause he’s paying).”


22 “word-for-word. Seriously.”


23 “YES! THIS EXACTLY!”

24 “I have the same problem to some extent”


25 “Oh, this is totally me to the 9′s.”.... “It’s awesome that so many other people have this same personality quirk.”



26 “I kinda feel the same way. Actually, I mostly feel the same way. Actually, I feel exactly the same way”....“And then somehow I got myself in a call center job.”

27 “I dread answering the phone, and making a call myself is an ordeal, for all the reasons you list.”
—A Hermit


28
 Josh, Official SpokesGay 
“I have much of this, though not to the degree that you do.”....”Just because we universally acquiesced to it for so long doesn’t make it a reasonable expectation in the private sphere.”....”it is an imposition. It’s the caller claiming the right to your immediate attention without regard to your schedule or preferences.”


29 “This is me too.”


30 “Probably the one good thing that happened under the George W. Bush administration was the creation of the Do Not Call Registry.”


31 “I often call and don’t leave a message.”....”leaving messages is what’s scary to me.”

32 “This is me exactly.”

33 “I hope someday to have someplace to live where I can get a cheap landline, put the phone in the basement with an voice message recorder thingy, like in the ‘old days’ and just turn the phone’s volume way down or something, and encourage people to use email. Phones are so invasive, I hate them, even if I almost never get called by anyone ever.”



34 “Me too. Also, my cell deletes messages after one or two days, so this issue resolves itself”....”I just discovered a month or three ago that my land phone has died. So I don’t know how many calls I’ve missed, but I’m pretty sure I haven’t heard it ring in something like a year.”



35 ”Every word of it, all the feelings, everything is spot on”....”I usually freak out and hang up before the ominous “leave a message and I’ll call you back” threat sentence is complete.”


36 “This is *exactly* how I feel about my phone as well.”


37 “I have the same thing.”

38 “Jen, I know that feel.”



39. “I always kinda figured I was the odd one out for hating the phone. Turns out, I’m in good company.”


40 “This is exactly how I feel about the phone!”....” At one point I lived with a painful, treatable medical problem for months rather than calling to make an appointment with a new Dr.”


41 “The only thing that I hate more than talking on the phone is checking voice mail.”

42 “No-one has the number of my Android device – not even me – I don’t even call it a phone; to me it is a miniature computer. In the settings the ring tone is set to never ring, and that takes care of the wrong numbers and spam.”



43 “I’ve always had it. As a shy kid in the pre-internet, pre-texting days, I was lonely a lot simply because I couldn’t call anyone, not even close friends.”

44 “There are times when I’ve gone hungry because I haven’t had the energy to face speaking to someone and trying to make them understand what I want.”....”Then there’s the mailbox. I haven’t checked it since June. I get into these fugs where checking the mailbox is absolutely beyond me – I’d rather face a rattlesnake”....”Wellbutrin has helped with all of that, but not enough. The first SSRI we attempted to supplement with did jack diddly. So it’s that long haul of tweaking meds until magic happens, or getting the hell out of my job, which is what triggers 90% of the depression and anxiety I have.”



45 “I’m either so old that telephones don’t bother me or just lucky never to have gotten horribly anxious about using them.”....”I’m not making light of the problem. It’s one thing to dislike phone calls, but another thing not to be able to order take out or field a response to an advertisement. Has anyone tried cognitive therapy? I know it has helped friends of mine deal with a variety of problems by fighting bad mental habits. Often recognizing the pattern is the start of subverting it. I have a fear of heights and often catch myself rehearsing fear and panic as I approach certain parts of certain trails. Over the years I have developed ways of maintaining perspective and focus. I’ll never do technical climbing, but I’m not as pathetic as I used to be.
P.S. An awful lot of the symptoms here seem to indicate depression. Definitely try to get help. Maybe more psychiatrists need to work with text, chat and email. It’s the connection that’s important.”

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