Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Continuation of the post at Abbie Smith's ERV blog (http://scienceblogs.com/erv/)

Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Za-zen » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:07 pm  •  [Post 8401]

@Skepticstu found a gem, i remember it being mentioned here at a time, though can't remember what his supposed transgression against the ideologues was.

DrChristian, a tv personality in the Uk, and an MD is on the block list.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby welch » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:07 pm  •  [Post 8402]

Tony Parsehole wrote:READ THIS YOU FUCKERS READ THIS NOW!!!!!!!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23533566

IT'S KICKING OFF NOW OOLON YOU CUNT!!



Well, maybe if they'd been actual journalists about this, they'd not be having this problem.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Satan » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:09 pm  •  [Post 8403]

Use the BBC formal complaints process instead of tweeting at Mason personally:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints

He'll get in hotter water much faster if people make noise there.



Twitter is difficult to contact but they do have a known postal address, which might be the appropriate venue to complain about the blockbot's abuse of the twitter spam reporting system:

https://twitter.com/about/contact
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby bovarchist » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:11 pm  •  [Post 8404]

katamari Damassi wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:That was a LOL, btw.

No worries. I took it in the spirit it was given.
After I made my post I was concerned that people might think I was fishing for complements.


Whaddya, fishing for insults now? It's 'compliments', fucktard!

(also a LOL)
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby welch » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:11 pm  •  [Post 8405]

Tony Parsehole wrote:
Jan Steen wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:BBC are doing a story about the complaints received over the BlockBot.
I couldn't laugh harder.
Oolon, you are going to be exposed for the dishonest, lying cunt that we have always known you are and the only thing making me feel the slightest bit sorry for you is the fact that you have a wife and kid.


If oolon isn't a complete idiot and thinks about his family, he will pull the plug on the Block Bot and apologise profusely to everyone who was on it. And then lie awake at night, hoping that nobody will sue him.

Any sane person would have already shut the cunting thing down but this is Oolon we're talking about here.
I'm honestly surprised he hasn't said "LOOOOOOOL I TROLL U!" and acted as if it was all a big joke that's worked out exactly as planned.....Like the time he admitted downloading kiddy porn.


Even the BBC dips are admitting that the three tier bullshit is just that. Once you're on the bot list, no one is going to say "well, he's only a level three asshole, so he's probably not all that bad." Bullshit. Oh, and the fact that they are now starting to complain that "guilt by association is bad logic" i.e. "but you're LEVEL THREE! THAT'S NOT THE SAME!" is hilarious.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Tony Parsehole » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:11 pm  •  [Post 8406]

Satan wrote:Use the BBC formal complaints process instead of tweeting at Mason personally:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints

He'll get in hotter water much faster if people make noise there.



Twitter is difficult to contact but they do have a known postal address, which might be the appropriate venue to complain about the blockbot's abuse of the twitter spam reporting system:

https://twitter.com/about/contact

Good one. I left my complaint this morning. Forgot to post linky here.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby welch » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:12 pm  •  [Post 8407]

Spence wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:READ THIS YOU FUCKERS READ THIS NOW!!!!!!!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23533566

IT'S KICKING OFF NOW OOLON YOU CUNT!!

Wow, that's more than I expected out of the BBC. When Phil Mason started blocking people who were bringing this problem to his attention, I thought they were just bunkering down to ride it out.

The one thing Mason seems to be nervous about was the possibility that being placed on level 3 was itself a form of harrassment, and he was promoting it. That is a different take to the straightforward defamation issue and an interesting angle.

I still think the BBC will use this to deflect criticism, but it raises an interesting possibility. If the BBC are distancing themselves from it, there is likely to be a good reason for it.



He also points out that he only looked at the level one list in any detail.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby welch » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:15 pm  •  [Post 8408]

bovarchist wrote:Just checked, and yup I'm on the blockbot. Does anybody know how to check what level I'm on? And what was the reporter's email, I'd like to add my voice to the mix.


http://www.theblockbot.com/?page_id=35 has the entire thing broken down by level.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby deLurch » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:15 pm  •  [Post 8409]

bovarchist wrote:Just checked, and yup I'm on the blockbot. Does anybody know how to check what level I'm on? And what was the reporter's email, I'd like to add my voice to the mix.

Previously his list on the website made no distinction. But now that he has seperated it out, you appear to be at level 2 if you twitter account is zenbabesque.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Angry_Drunk » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:22 pm  •  [Post 8410]

Aw how cute. Turd doesn't have my actual twitter account in his stupid list. He has my joke/test account that hasn't posted a non-test tweet since October 2011. Since I know you're lurking Turd, know that you are a failure at life.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby bovarchist » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:23 pm  •  [Post 8411]

deLurch wrote:
bovarchist wrote:Just checked, and yup I'm on the blockbot. Does anybody know how to check what level I'm on? And what was the reporter's email, I'd like to add my voice to the mix.

Previously his list on the website made no distinction. But now that he has seperated it out, you appear to be at level 2 if you twitter account is zenbabesque.


Nope, it's impossiblebones, but that too is at level 2.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Angry_Drunk » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:24 pm  •  [Post 8412]

In all seriousness though, the fact that Turd has my fake account in his list just goes to prove the lie that he spins about how people get on that list. The only, and I mean only way that account could have been flagged is because Welch follows it.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Trophy » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:31 pm  •  [Post 8413]

welch wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:READ THIS YOU FUCKERS READ THIS NOW!!!!!!!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23533566

IT'S KICKING OFF NOW OOLON YOU CUNT!!



Well, maybe if they'd been actual journalists about this, they'd not be having this problem.


One line still cracks me up though: "We looked at one technology that does that last night ...", gosh I can't stop laughing. It's so advanced it might as well be magic! :lol:
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby bovarchist » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:32 pm  •  [Post 8414]

Never mind, found it myself: paul.mason.01@bbc.co.uk
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby deLurch » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:39 pm  •  [Post 8415]

bovarchist wrote:Never mind, found it myself: paul.mason.01@bbc.co.uk

Given his skills to date, I would cc his editor. The same goes to skeptical as this guy evidently can't hear all of the nasty misogynistic women on twitter that he has blocked.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Spence » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:45 pm  •  [Post 8416]

welch wrote:
Spence wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:READ THIS YOU FUCKERS READ THIS NOW!!!!!!!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23533566

IT'S KICKING OFF NOW OOLON YOU CUNT!!

Wow, that's more than I expected out of the BBC. When Phil Mason started blocking people who were bringing this problem to his attention, I thought they were just bunkering down to ride it out.

The one thing Mason seems to be nervous about was the possibility that being placed on level 3 was itself a form of harrassment, and he was promoting it. That is a different take to the straightforward defamation issue and an interesting angle.

I still think the BBC will use this to deflect criticism, but it raises an interesting possibility. If the BBC are distancing themselves from it, there is likely to be a good reason for it.



He also points out that he only looked at the level one list in any detail.

Yeah Mason is covering his rear end as best he can at the moment. But it looks like he is willing to throw colon under the bus while doing it, which is fine by me. He has gone some way to admitting on TV that colon's block bot can be used as a form of harrassment, and in practice we know that it has been used to harrass women atheists and sceptics.

To those who are considering defamation suits. If you can find the original tweet where colon added you to the block bot, that is worth capturing and storing. Because he can't use the group libel defence for that specific tweet.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Wonky Donkey » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:50 pm  •  [Post 8417]

Spence wrote:

To those who are considering defamation suits. If you can find the original tweet where colon added you to the block bot, that is worth capturing and storing. Because he can't use the group libel defence for that specific tweet.


Sorry but using a group libel defense is weak. You can't say "the people on this list I have publicised are ...". You are naming them individually. You might get away with saying Scientology is horseshit, or Scientologists are wankers.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Aneris » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:54 pm  •  [Post 8418]

I found the Paul Mason likeable, he seemed to have an interest in bringing in some perspective. Good for him. I would also not put all blame on oolon either. He is the useful idiot there, while PZ Myers, Zvan, Watson et al laugh up their sleeves. It is a typical case where an ideology begins innocent enough and is then escalated by cheers of encouragement until several lines are crossed.

The issue was like that way before and it did not change substantially. Perhaps agitated by real trolls, harassers and the like (most charitable interpretation), the A+ Crowd around PZ Myers, Zvan, Watson and Co. increasingly began to see even small disagreement as stark opposition to their views. Any nuance went out of the window. On the their heyday, slightly disagreeing on their sites was almost seen as sending a personally written death threat to Rebecca Watson or being in league with rapists. It would make a good case study for the raise of the banality of evil (if you get the reference, no, I don't think it's over the top). Ironically, Oolon's three levels are, in comparison, almost an improvement.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby bovarchist » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:00 pm  •  [Post 8419]

Brief email sent:
Dear Mr. Mason

I understand you have already received several complaints from people who object to being lumped together with abusers and stalkers in your recent NewsNight story. I would like to add myself to their number.

My Twitter account is @impossiblebones, and to my surprise I find that I am also on the BlockBot. I say surprise, because until I heard about your story from friends, I'd never even heard of the BlockBot.

I'd heard of Billingham though, or "oolon" as he's known on the Internet. And I have to say...he fits the description of "annoying troll" far more than I do. He seems to show up on every forum and message board imaginable, obnoxiously and aggressively sniping at anybody he doesn't agree with, often with extreme self-righteousness. Many in my personal circle have had their experiences with him, and the general view is that he's a rather odd duck...one who seems to literally divide the world into the "doctrinally pure", and "enemies of the party".

As for me, I don't believe I've personally exchanged more than ten messages with the man; and as far as abusiveness goes, my recollection is that I argued at the level he chose. It didn't take much more than those ten exchanges for me to conclude that he was not worth arguing with, and I've ignored him ever since. So you can imagine that it's surprising to find that this was enough for me to be added to his "list of abusers". As a Level 2 no less!

I'm sorry to say it, but you folks at the BBC got this wrong. I know many of the people on this list, even some of the dreaded Level 1's, and I'm afraid it does them a disservice to label them as...well, as anything really, other than people that Billingham doesn't like and doesn't want to hear from. The BlockBot is really nothing more than that; a way for Billingham and his friends to insulate themselves from people they don't agree with.

I hope that you will investigate further, and establish the truth of this for yourself.

Yours,
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby welch » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:01 pm  •  [Post 8420]

Angry_Drunk wrote:In all seriousness though, the fact that Turd has my fake account in his list just goes to prove the lie that he spins about how people get on that list. The only, and I mean only way that account could have been flagged is because Welch follows it.



BAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA

OMFG, that's beautiful. I'd forgotten about that one.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby free thoughtpolice » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:09 pm  •  [Post 8421]

Oolon comments on Svan's thread;


Ahem, the @hashspamkiller +1/2/3/4/5 would be one such implementation that uses the block list. Also explains why a lot of people made the “annoying” level. Retweeting ElevatorGATE and uberfeminist is no crime, except to reason, but it pisses me off when I’m trying to keep their crap off the spam killer. So apologies if you are on the L3 list due to that… Well I’m not that sorry actually as it only says you are “mostly just annoying” :-) Sue me!


See! Brave oolon doesn't mind remortgaging his house to pay for legal fees and settlement costs! I'm sure his wife completely supports him, after all she was stupid enough to marry him.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby another lurker » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:12 pm  •  [Post 8422]

This is truly beautiful to behold.
I am glad to have been exposed to this point of view, and appreciate the time you took to express it.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:24 pm  •  [Post 8423]

Jan Steen wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Yep, still going to sue him. And the BBC. My fucking real name is out there, as "abuser, misogynist, racist, homophobic". Not going to pass.


If I were in your place I would first send oolon a letter, demanding that your name be taken off the list immediately. If he doesn't comply with that request you are in a better position should you actually sue him.


Yes, that will be the first step. Letter already in the making. I believe they call it a "Cease and Desist" request. I'm just not the only one who has been named on that shit-list, so I will probably talk further with others concerned (we have an ongoing talk on FB already).
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Spence » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:25 pm  •  [Post 8424]

Wonky Donkey wrote:
Spence wrote:

To those who are considering defamation suits. If you can find the original tweet where colon added you to the block bot, that is worth capturing and storing. Because he can't use the group libel defence for that specific tweet.


Sorry but using a group libel defense is weak. You can't say "the people on this list I have publicised are ...". You are naming them individually. You might get away with saying Scientology is horseshit, or Scientologists are wankers.

The fact is that it is a defence. My opinion and your opinion on whether it is a "weak" defence is neither here nor there; only the judges opinion really matters here. And since we don't know that here and now, gathering evidence in advance that can counter such a line of defence might be considered a good strategy.

Just sayin'.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby decius » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:27 pm  •  [Post 8425]

welch wrote:
Angry_Drunk wrote:In all seriousness though, the fact that Turd has my fake account in his list just goes to prove the lie that he spins about how people get on that list. The only, and I mean only way that account could have been flagged is because Welch follows it.



BAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA

OMFG, that's beautiful. I'd forgotten about that one.



Well, I can't really blame him from that. I was forced to block myself, after being followed by Welch.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Steersman » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:31 pm  •  [Post 8426]

Cunning Punt wrote:
Gefan wrote:
Steersman wrote:...Somewhat along the same line, you might be interested in this post by Miri over on Brute Reason on the topic of “How Do I Get My Partner To Try Polyamory?” She certainly seems to get around, in more ways than one.


Steers, can you elaborate a bit on that last sentence? To me, it reads like disapproval of her personal lifestyle choices (I read the linked article and thought it sounded pretty reasonable).


Gefan just asked Steersman to "elaborate". Does everyone realize what a ground-breaking occasion this is?

:lol: And everyone lived to tell the tale too!

But it was late – while I thought it a good question, or at least one that put me on the spot a bit, I didn’t have the time to do it justice. I promise to rectify that deficiency the next time the occasion presents itself. ;-)
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Matt Cavanaugh » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:32 pm  •  [Post 8427]

katamari Damassi wrote:After I made my post I was concerned that people might think I was fishing for complements.


Well you're SOL on that from this lot, buckaroo.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby JayTeeAitch » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:33 pm  •  [Post 8428]

Za-zen wrote:@Skepticstu found a gem, i remember it being mentioned here at a time, though can't remember what his supposed transgression against the ideologues was.

DrChristian, a tv personality in the Uk, and an MD is on the block list.


Yep, just seen that. Here's a typical tweet from the scumbag:

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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:33 pm  •  [Post 8429]

Tony Parsehole wrote:READ THIS YOU FUCKERS READ THIS NOW!!!!!!!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23533566

IT'S KICKING OFF NOW OOLON YOU CUNT!!


Ok, still an "abuser". Well, that's gonna get funny.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby bhoytony » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:36 pm  •  [Post 8430]

dogen wrote:
deLurch wrote:He actually has a family... as in someone married him?


Well... 'married' as in his parents probably kidnapped some poor lass and heaved her down the cellar stairs...





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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Wonky Donkey » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:37 pm  •  [Post 8431]

Spence wrote:
Wonky Donkey wrote:
Sorry but using a group libel defense is weak. You can't say "the people on this list I have publicised are ...". You are naming them individually. You might get away with saying Scientology is horseshit, or Scientologists are wankers.

The fact is that it is a defence. My opinion and your opinion on whether it is a "weak" defence is neither here nor there; only the judges opinion really matters here.


It is a defence that would be hard to apply. Otherwise you could libel, so long as you were lazy.


list a:
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list a all raped children!

"Sorry m'lud, but you can't libel a group."

The calumny has already been applied to the list of names.

Ignoring for the moment it would be up to Oolon to prove his case that the libel was in fact true and not the other way around if you are going to speculate on weaknesses in potential cases brought against Oolon as some kind of locker room prep then the first point you'd need to address from the defense is that it took you so long to challenge it, why now. Of course, there is an argument there - going to the BBC gave it a legitimate platform and whilst it was used as a tool to self isolate a cult it was not injurious to your reputation.

Then you have to consider whether your anonymity was breached, whether there was any actual reputational damage to get an idea of the scale of the victory after costs you might get.

You can play armchair lawyer all day, which is why Oolon needs to go talk to a lawyer as soon as possible and those thinking of bringing claims to court rather than just threatening it and achieving an easier end goal should do the same. Then you have to divide the opinion you get of success by six at least because your lawyer gets paid no matter what.

Heck, we might as well all just shut up, because until a judge makes a ruling nothing we say means anything. Right? ;)

And since we don't know that here and now, gathering evidence in advance that can counter such a line of defence might be considered a good strategy.

Just sayin'.


That I agree with.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby decius » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:37 pm  •  [Post 8432]

Spence knows his shit, but perhaps those whose nyms appeared briefly on screen, while the awesome feature of the failbot were being described, have a stronger case for libel.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby decius » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:40 pm  •  [Post 8433]

Didn't Simon Singh get nearly bankrupted, just by having to defend himself in a libel case that was eventually dismissed?
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Steersman » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:46 pm  •  [Post 8434]

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:READ THIS YOU FUCKERS READ THIS NOW!!!!!!!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23533566

IT'S KICKING OFF NOW OOLON YOU CUNT!!


Ok, still an "abuser". Well, that's gonna get funny.

From the Block-Bot page:
→ Level 2 blocking: these are the abusive subset of anti-feminists, MRAs, or all-round assholes who think nothing of tweeting their much loved photoshopped pictures, memes and other wonderful media directly into your timeline to get attention (Listen to Meee!!1!).

You an “abusive anti-feminist”? An “abusive MRA”? An “abusive asshole [given to] tweeting … photoshopped pictures”? I don’t see any other alternatives there.

Seems to me that those on level 2 have the best argument for libel.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby dogen » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:47 pm  •  [Post 8435]

decius wrote:Didn't Simon Singh get nearly bankrupted, just by having to defend himself in a libel case that was eventually dismissed?


Yes, he did. He (quite rightly) commented that chiropractic is a load of bollocks, and got sued.

In this maelstrom of roosting chickens, let's not lose sight of the fact that the UK libel laws are in desperate need of reform.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby zenbabe » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:53 pm  •  [Post 8436]

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bovarchist wrote:Just checked, and yup I'm on the blockbot. Does anybody know how to check what level I'm on? And what was the reporter's email, I'd like to add my voice to the mix.

Previously his list on the website made no distinction. But now that he has seperated it out, you appear to be at level 2 if you twitter account is zenbabesque.


^ that's me, btw. @zenbabesque.

Was wondering how people knew what level they were before he changed it.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Tony Parsehole » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:55 pm  •  [Post 8437]

another lurker wrote:This is truly beautiful to behold.

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BTW, you can always tell when Oolon's hands are shaking in fear when he starts abusing "smileys".
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Spence » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:55 pm  •  [Post 8438]

@Wonky Donkey you make a fair case, and I would stress that all bets are off once you get into a courtroom, anything could happen - so either of our perspectives could well be right. People shouldn't take my advice too seriously, but any mitigation is worthwhile.

On twitter, I found I could search - including quotes - for "@The_Block_Bot #block" and it listed all of the recent blocks, but not anything much beyond a few months ago. Although I have The_Block_Bot on block so it wouldn't show any colon posted from the bot itself. For the most recent ones - e.g, a search for

"@The_Block_Bot #block" +fieryskulldiary

finds the tweet that was used to make that block. But I couldn't find many older ones from here :-( Do you know if colon has changed the method for adding names, or does twitter just not search back very far?

Mind you I thought Phil Mason might be interested in this little exchange. Sheds a bit of light on the type of person Bile-ingham is:



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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Hemisphere » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:00 pm  •  [Post 8439]

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bovarchist wrote:Just checked, and yup I'm on the blockbot. Does anybody know how to check what level I'm on? And what was the reporter's email, I'd like to add my voice to the mix.


http://www.theblockbot.com/?page_id=35 has the entire thing broken down by level.


Wow. My twitter account, that I've made 11 tweets on and have barely touched in the 2 years I've had it, is on level 3. Presumably because I accidentally hit 'retweet' on something Blackford wrote about denouncing Myers. Clearly doesn't take much to be labelled as 'annoying' and blocked by a fair few people.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Guest » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:01 pm  •  [Post 8440]

Ape+lust wrote:Image


Wasn't this guy a talking head in Fallout 1?
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Tony Parsehole » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:01 pm  •  [Post 8441]

dogen wrote:
decius wrote:Didn't Simon Singh get nearly bankrupted, just by having to defend himself in a libel case that was eventually dismissed?


Yes, he did. He (quite rightly) commented that chiropractic is a load of bollocks, and got sued.

In this maelstrom of roosting chickens, let's not lose sight of the fact that the UK libel laws are in desperate need of reform.

They can reform into a marching brass band for all I care as long as they do it after Oolon's had his day in court.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Gefan » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:05 pm  •  [Post 8442]

The truly astonishing thing about Oolon's latest and (thus far) greatest attempt at self-immolation is that, a few days prior to this The Pit was tearing itself apart and Lsuoma had even gone so far as to temporarily shut down the joint.
Zvan et al are slobbering all over the man who single-handedly revived and (to the extent that such athing is possible) unified the community of their worst enemies.
Yo, Stephalump! You appear to have lost the plot again.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Matt Cavanaugh » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:08 pm  •  [Post 8443]

o/t * -- For those of you who just didn't get enough of the George Zimmerman controversy, an analysis of crime stats by race:

http://trueliberalnexus.wordpress.com/2 ... -and-lies/


* (is it even possible to be o/t on the Undead Thread?)

Now, back to our live coverage of oolon's self-immolation. hehe.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Wonky Donkey » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:10 pm  •  [Post 8444]

Before:

http://www.oolon.co.uk/?page_id=69
Hello, I'm oolon, otherwise known as James Billingham. I live in Longparish in the UK, it's a lovely village in the Test Valley and I spend my days with my family playing tennis and messing about with computers when not arguing with people on the internet.


I also don't understand mod_rewrite and can't configure a database to save my life.

After:
http://www.oolon.co.uk/?page_id=69
Error establishing a database connection
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Tony Parsehole » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:14 pm  •  [Post 8445]

Spence wrote:Mind you I thought Phil Mason might be interested in this little exchange. Sheds a bit of light on the type of person Bile-ingham is:





Jesus fuck. The plot thickens. Oolon put a well liked celebrity doctor on the block list, without his knowledge, for the crime of being boring, and then went on telly to claim the list was for blocking abusers and harassers.
Looks like Oolon is in for some sleepless nights. Maybe his lass should ban him from the internet.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Lsuoma » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:14 pm  •  [Post 8446]

Tony Parsehole wrote:I can actually feel and taste the Schadenfreude in my mouth. It's rich and sweet like a toasted marshmallow.

Lsuoma, I cannot believe you are missing this.

I'm lurking, smiling quietly...
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Wonky Donkey » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:16 pm  •  [Post 8447]

If this is the guy,

https://twitter.com/spoolon

I believe I know him from nearly 9+ years ago.

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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Guest » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:16 pm  •  [Post 8448]

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:o/t -- For those of you who just didn't get enough of the George Zimmerman controversy, an analysis of crime stats by race: http://trueliberalnexus.wordpress.com/2 ... -and-lies/


Is race-bating a pun or a typo?
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Tony Parsehole » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:17 pm  •  [Post 8449]

Gefan wrote:The truly astonishing thing about Oolon's latest and (thus far) greatest attempt at self-immolation is that, a few days prior to this The Pit was tearing itself apart and Lsuoma had even gone so far as to temporarily shut down the joint.
Zvan et al are slobbering all over the man who single-handedly revived and (to the extent that such athing is possible) unified the community of their worst enemies.
Yo, Stephalump! You appear to have lost the plot again.

Oolon is Doctor Manhattan! Sacrificing himself so we all get along!
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby decius » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:19 pm  •  [Post 8450]

Tony Parsehole wrote:Oolon is Doctor Manhattan! Sacrificing himself so we all get along!


As long as we don't have to eat his body and drink his blood, I'm fine with it.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Tony Parsehole » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:20 pm  •  [Post 8451]


Now he's directing Twitter folk to the A+ forum! Ye gods this is too good. The more people that see that place the better.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Lsuoma » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:22 pm  •  [Post 8452]

Also, maybe Thunderf00t could weigh in on how he publicly forced PCS/VenomFangX to tear himself a new one...
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Tony Parsehole » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:24 pm  •  [Post 8453]

decius wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:Oolon is Doctor Manhattan! Sacrificing himself so we all get along!


As long as we don't have to eat his body and drink his blood, I'm fine with it.

We could use the grease in his hair to fry chips though.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Tony Parsehole » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:26 pm  •  [Post 8454]

Love the new Pit Tagline. My thoughts exactly.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Tony Parsehole » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:28 pm  •  [Post 8455]

Lsuoma wrote:Also, maybe Thunderf00t could weigh in on how he publicly forced PCS/VenomFangX to tear himself a new one...

You still on holiday mate?
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby DW Adams » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:30 pm  •  [Post 8456]

So apparently, this thread: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=346

is being talked about in a few places. I noticed a link on Twitter condemning it as well as this status from Facebook:

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There are more comments, just couldn't be bothered to make another cap: https://www.facebook.com/danfincke/post ... 4415479764

I post here and never knew this thread existed until I ran across the status update, yet I'm defending and supporting it. /shrug.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby dogen » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:31 pm  •  [Post 8457]

Tony Parsehole wrote:
decius wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:Oolon is Doctor Manhattan! Sacrificing himself so we all get along!


As long as we don't have to eat his body and drink his blood, I'm fine with it.

We could use the grease in his hair to fry chips though.


Indeed; Oolon covers both definitions of the word oleaginous.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Michael J » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:35 pm  •  [Post 8458]

welch wrote:
bovarchist wrote:Just checked, and yup I'm on the blockbot. Does anybody know how to check what level I'm on? And what was the reporter's email, I'd like to add my voice to the mix.


http://www.theblockbot.com/?page_id=35 has the entire thing broken down by level.


I think that Oolon would have a problem defending most of those on level 1. Thunderfoot? He may have sexist tendancies but he isn't what I call a serial harrasser or misogynist.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby deLurch » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:36 pm  •  [Post 8459]

Tony Parsehole wrote:
Spence wrote:Jesus fuck. The plot thickens. Oolon put a well liked celebrity doctor on the block list, without his knowledge, for the crime of being boring, and then went on telly to claim the list was for blocking abusers and harassers.
Looks like Oolon is in for some sleepless nights. Maybe his lass should ban him from the internet.

"Boring" has been used as an excuse quite often. Boring is code for either "I don't want to be sued for slandering you" or "My real reason is too weak or damaging to myself to want to have to justify it, but you are still on the fucking list."
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby deLurch » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:38 pm  •  [Post 8460]

decius wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:Oolon is Doctor Manhattan! Sacrificing himself so we all get along!

As long as we don't have to eat his body and drink his blood, I'm fine with it.

Damn vegans ruin all of my fun.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby decius » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:43 pm  •  [Post 8461]

deLurch wrote:
decius wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:Oolon is Doctor Manhattan! Sacrificing himself so we all get along!

As long as we don't have to eat his body and drink his blood, I'm fine with it.

Damn vegans ruin all of my fun.


I'm not a vegan, but I only eat free-range turds.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby welch » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:44 pm  •  [Post 8462]

decius wrote:
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Angry_Drunk wrote:In all seriousness though, the fact that Turd has my fake account in his list just goes to prove the lie that he spins about how people get on that list. The only, and I mean only way that account could have been flagged is because Welch follows it.



BAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA

OMFG, that's beautiful. I'd forgotten about that one.



Well, I can't really blame him from that. I was forced to block myself, after being followed by Welch.


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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby 16bitheretic » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:44 pm  •  [Post 8463]

Hemisphere wrote:
welch wrote:
bovarchist wrote:Just checked, and yup I'm on the blockbot. Does anybody know how to check what level I'm on? And what was the reporter's email, I'd like to add my voice to the mix.


http://www.theblockbot.com/?page_id=35 has the entire thing broken down by level.


Wow. My twitter account, that I've made 11 tweets on and have barely touched in the 2 years I've had it, is on level 3. Presumably because I accidentally hit 'retweet' on something Blackford wrote about denouncing Myers. Clearly doesn't take much to be labelled as 'annoying' and blocked by a fair few people.


I'm the first name on the Level 2 Blocklist, woooooot!

Prior to the Blockbot, I was mass blocked and had my account temporarily suspended for making one single Tweet mocking aratina's #BlockSaturday campaigns. A few months later I made one Tweet "@"ing PZ Myers disputing some bullshit on Pharyngula. I was instantly placed in group 2 when the Bot was up and running for essentially those 2 Tweets and being a registered member here. Some people like melody hensley and that Paul Fidalgo guy who writes at FTB blocked me individually simply for interactions with the user @ElevatorGATE, which is amusing because I was never gonna talk to them anyways, but whatever, at least they wasted their own time and did no harm to me when they individually sought out my user profile for blocking. Because you know, I'm soooooo scary!

As for the guilt by association bullshit, I've never abused anyone from the online atheist/skeptic rifts on Twitter (the only vitriolic comments I've posted on Twitter were aimed at a racist pastor making insane comments about all blacks shooting people). In fact, as most here who follow me know, most of my Tweets are just commentary on current events news stories I read, engaging in silly convos of random nature and my opinions on movies, TV shows, videogames and anime I consume. Hell, even when I've commented on FTB/A+ type bullshit I've intentionally not used the "@" to avoid being targeted by professional victims as a harasser or abuser. People like Ophelia Benson, who made a point of quoting me when I encouraged people to retweet a Hitchens pic she objected to the use of online, had to specifically go out of her way to find my Tweet via vanity searches because I didn't want to arm any FTBloggers with anything that they could spin a tale of harassment and bullying from.

Funny thing is, that one time I posted with an "@" at PZ was the only time I ever Tweeted directly to appear on the timelines of those who hate me just for who I engage in discussions with, yet after blocking me I;ve had numerous twits from A+/FTB/Skepchick fandom Tweet directlyat me, with ool0n himself Tweeting a link to his blog at me, like I ever wanted to actually read it. It's quite absurd.

Ultimately, I'm not as outraged by the first BBC report because my Twitter account, and the email it's tied to, are all under false name(Svan reels in horror!), but for people like Sarah Mayhew, EllenBeth Wachs, Renee Hendricks and Phil Giordiana, whose real names were tied to claims of abuse, I can understand the full extent of their anger. Hopefully this fallout continues to blow up in the faces of the idiots that support this sort or crap.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Za-zen » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:45 pm  •  [Post 8464]

deLurch wrote:
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Spence wrote:Jesus fuck. The plot thickens. Oolon put a well liked celebrity doctor on the block list, without his knowledge, for the crime of being boring, and then went on telly to claim the list was for blocking abusers and harassers.
Looks like Oolon is in for some sleepless nights. Maybe his lass should ban him from the internet.

"Boring" has been used as an excuse quite often. Boring is code for either "I don't want to be sued for slandering you" or "My real reason is too weak or damaging to myself to want to have to justify it, but you are still on the fucking list."


You must have missed the tweet capped there where he calls doctorchristian an "antifeminist dipshit" that i suggest is obviously why oolon or his buddy blacklisted him. So level 3 isn't for "bores" it's inclusive of "antifeminist dipshits". Doctor Christian, hugely respected, and all round nice guy.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Steersman » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:45 pm  •  [Post 8465]

zenbabe wrote:Hey Steersman, I notice you seem to tightening up your writing lately. Much appreciated :D

:-) I would have been remiss if I hadn’t heeded some of the criticisms from my dear readers, particularly given my championing of the concept of feedback. But it is partly a question of time – better, and less time-consuming, to write less that’s more coherent than more that isn’t.

zenbabe wrote:In Oolon's case, there is plenty of evidence available to point to his lack of integrity, and his agenda. It's Ok, you know, to at some point simply come to conclusions about people, even if the conclusion isn't hard and fast.

I don’t know about “plenty of evidence”, but I certainly think that his apparent unwillingness to concede my point about Skep tickle’s doxxing, and my argument that he has thereby seriously contributed to the nasty proganda and “mythologizing” about the Pit certainly qualifies. I haven’t yet decided whether “Worm-Tongue” might be an appropriate handle, although one I don’t think he alone is entitled to claim.

zenbabe wrote:Might have to Potato/Potahto the argument on the point of maliciousness, for the jokes we've seen so far. I don't see any of them as mean, particularly considering the subject.

You might be right, particularly given the rather subjective nature of the valuations involved. Part of the reason why I pulled my punch a little.

zenbabe wrote:*giggle*.. richly deserved, sir.
I have to laugh at the thought of you, so staid, so serious, trying so hard to give benefit of the doubt, muttering those words under your breath. You're human afterall.

:-) Actually I called her that on her blog awhile back – may have spiked the “Atheist-Skeptic Dialog” in the process, or contributed to it, but I think it was in a good cause.

And while “human” covers a lot of ground, it’s nice – thank you – to receive some evidence to refute the egregious and entirely baseless charge that I’m no more than a robot with an unhealthy interest in sweet young things below the age of consent. ;-)

zenbabe wrote:Well, they do hate them those dictionaries, and they do love them some invented language that can mean anything they want it to mean and broadly apply in any way they want it to apply.

Indeed. That is, I think, one of the surprising and enduring if problematic aspects of the SJWs, and the “gender-feminists”, and their assorted fellow-travelers. Certainly qualifies as evidence, I think, of the “anti-science and anti-intellectualism” that the book “Professing Feminism” apparently describes in some detail.

zenbabe wrote:Oh Steersman, the eternal optimist ;)

:-) Not sure there’s much alternative. Humanity certainly seems to have done much to-ing and fro-ing, of taking two steps forward and one back. But the net result seems to have been much significant forward progress. Not quite sure what the ultimate goal might be, but I think there is one. Which kind of makes the scene worth the candle. At least for the moment.
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