*snip*[/quote]zenbabe wrote:[quote="ConcentratedH2O, OMNippletwister/Guest, do you have a link to the "hissing" tweet?
Thanks, zenbabe.
*snip*[/quote]zenbabe wrote:[quote="ConcentratedH2O, OMNippletwister/Guest, do you have a link to the "hissing" tweet?
They just make stuff up. Even if someone said something, so what? There is no evidence at all it meant anything and even if it did well done for confirming douches exist. Whoopie. The whole post is full of holes. It's all projection and conjecture. Does PMZ REALLY fall for it?zenbabe wrote:Bottom of the page http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/23/t ... -generous/ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Nippletwister/Guest, do you have a link to the "hissing" tweet?Guest wrote:Jesus, but Marcotte's paranoid. Some guy says something she doesn't even hear and she immediately knows he's a "harasser." Hell, even if the guy did insult her, a single insult doesn't make him a serial harasser. Amanda dear, maybe he just dislikes you?nippletwister wrote: Let's pile on, try to make a hero of Marcotte (who very conveniently was "harassed" again, apparently, some kind of "hissed whisper" on the street today, 'cause you know, she can't go a day without that happening.) and put the pressure on Lindsay.
This part was also amusing: "MAKE you write blog posts about them"If it seems baffling to you that people are “into†harassment, I don’t know what to tell you. Why else would people harass? (Don’t say autism, for the love of god. People on the spectrum struggle to interpret social signals. Harassers, on the other hand, are masters at manipulating social rules and actual physical space to creep people out as much as they can get away with. It requires careful study of social signaling, not the opposite.) I got harassed on the sidewalk the other day, because that’s just part of the atmosphere of being female. I didn’t catch exactly what the guy said, because he muttered it, but what he wanted out of the situation couldn’t have been clearer. He had that sly smile, that glint in his eye that harassers get when they manage to capture their target’s attention and make them uncomfortable. It’s the feeling of power they have over you, the little jolt they get from putting a bitch in her place. Why people harass is not a mystery. It makes them feel good to exert power. This motivation is all over the Twitter rampage from the pro-harassment forces. They love drowning out useful tweets about real information with their anti-feminist garbage and ranting. It makes them feel good, like they have power. They can harass you and get under your skin and make you write blog posts about them, and then they feel powerful. It’s all of one cloth, and it’s not about unexamined privilege. It’s about being an asshole. We’re asking them to give up this jolt of feeling powerful they get from making other people sad or angry. No wonder they resent us.
I read her sidewalk harassment a few times and sat here trying to visualize what was going on. The guy looked at her, smiling, and muttered something that MUST be harassment? The guy couldn't have taken a minor fancy to her and said "Hello" or "How are you?" Shit like that happens all the time here, a smile, nod, and a hello(which is sometimes inaudible) to a random stranger, never considered it harassment! You're getting desperate for victim points Marcotte... :snooty:zenbabe wrote:
Bottom of the page http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/23/t ... -generous/
This part was also amusing: "MAKE you write blog posts about them"If it seems baffling to you that people are “into†harassment, I don’t know what to tell you. Why else would people harass? (Don’t say autism, for the love of god. People on the spectrum struggle to interpret social signals. Harassers, on the other hand, are masters at manipulating social rules and actual physical space to creep people out as much as they can get away with. It requires careful study of social signaling, not the opposite.) I got harassed on the sidewalk the other day, because that’s just part of the atmosphere of being female. I didn’t catch exactly what the guy said, because he muttered it, but what he wanted out of the situation couldn’t have been clearer. He had that sly smile, that glint in his eye that harassers get when they manage to capture their target’s attention and make them uncomfortable. It’s the feeling of power they have over you, the little jolt they get from putting a bitch in her place. Why people harass is not a mystery. It makes them feel good to exert power. This motivation is all over the Twitter rampage from the pro-harassment forces. They love drowning out useful tweets about real information with their anti-feminist garbage and ranting. It makes them feel good, like they have power. They can harass you and get under your skin and make you write blog posts about them, and then they feel powerful. It’s all of one cloth, and it’s not about unexamined privilege. It’s about being an asshole. We’re asking them to give up this jolt of feeling powerful they get from making other people sad or angry. No wonder they resent us.
InoriteVoryn wrote: I read her sidewalk harassment a few times and sat here trying to visualize what was going on. The guy looked at her, smiling, and muttered something that MUST be harassment? The guy couldn't have taken a minor fancy to her and said "Hello" or "How are you?" Shit like that happens all the time here, a smile, nod, and a hello(which is sometimes inaudible) to a random stranger, never considered it harassment! You're getting desperate for victim points Marcotte... :snooty:
Hehe. Desperate urge to blogJack wrote:I tell you what Marcotte, today I had 3 women on separate occasions look at the bulge in my trousers. Last week a gay guy come onto me. Did I feel objectified or burst into tears with a desperate urge to write a blog about it? Hell no. What a load of unadulterated crap they spew.
This kind of stuff just irks me. It's women like Marcotte that make it so men have no fucking clue what is acceptable when attempting to approach women. I'm surprised she doesn't have a rape whistle, taser, and pepper spray at the ready for each and every public outing.Voryn wrote:I read her sidewalk harassment a few times and sat here trying to visualize what was going on. The guy looked at her, smiling, and muttered something that MUST be harassment? The guy couldn't have taken a minor fancy to her and said "Hello" or "How are you?" Shit like that happens all the time here, a smile, nod, and a hello(which is sometimes inaudible) to a random stranger, never considered it harassment! You're getting desperate for victim points Marcotte... :snooty:zenbabe wrote:
Bottom of the page http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/23/t ... -generous/
This part was also amusing: "MAKE you write blog posts about them"If it seems baffling to you that people are “into†harassment, I don’t know what to tell you. Why else would people harass? (Don’t say autism, for the love of god. People on the spectrum struggle to interpret social signals. Harassers, on the other hand, are masters at manipulating social rules and actual physical space to creep people out as much as they can get away with. It requires careful study of social signaling, not the opposite.) I got harassed on the sidewalk the other day, because that’s just part of the atmosphere of being female. I didn’t catch exactly what the guy said, because he muttered it, but what he wanted out of the situation couldn’t have been clearer. He had that sly smile, that glint in his eye that harassers get when they manage to capture their target’s attention and make them uncomfortable. It’s the feeling of power they have over you, the little jolt they get from putting a bitch in her place. Why people harass is not a mystery. It makes them feel good to exert power. This motivation is all over the Twitter rampage from the pro-harassment forces. They love drowning out useful tweets about real information with their anti-feminist garbage and ranting. It makes them feel good, like they have power. They can harass you and get under your skin and make you write blog posts about them, and then they feel powerful. It’s all of one cloth, and it’s not about unexamined privilege. It’s about being an asshole. We’re asking them to give up this jolt of feeling powerful they get from making other people sad or angry. No wonder they resent us.
I stopped here:Zenspace wrote:Interesting article about predatory male sexual behavior in the military:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/24/opinion/s ... index.html
Comments are an interesting mix - I learned a new word: 'vagithug' :shock:
Then I check to see if it was a woman writing this ... and yes it is. This type of wittering was funny at first but now it is just boring.OK, we already know a lot about the answer to this question. Yes, there is some biological underpinning for male sexual aggression but also men will have different sexual beliefs and behaviors based on their early models (both family and friends): whether or not they had close relationships with sisters or women friends, and whether they have been exposed to a culture of respect, or disdain, for women.
Well, that's what you get for accepting an invitation to "coffee" at Scented Nectar's house.Jack wrote: ...I tell you what Marcotte, today I had 3 women on separate occasions look at the bulge in my trousers...
For some reason that I can't explain Franc does not bother me at all and I enjoy most of his posts. When he goes off the rail a little it is easy enough to move to the next post.sacha wrote:I know franc better than anyone here, he is a close friend of mine, and is one of the few people on this earth that I trust implicitly.ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
TBH Franc can sometimes piss me off with his scorched earth stirring. Some of the writing on his blog is genius, though. He has an uncanny ability to distill things down to their essence with clarity. Guess you have to take the rough with the smooth.
I'm not sure you have any idea how spot on that comment is.
What's worse than two babies in a bin?bovarchist wrote:I definitely get what you're saying, and agree to a point. But it presupposes that the Pit is an organization with actual goals, and not just a place to hang out for people who are sick to death of oversensitive cunts, and just want to throw out the occasional dead-baby joke without being labelled a Suppressive Person.Aneris wrote:I feel there are some here, that would like us to level up a little. In that regard, I also reject picking on Ophelia Benson or other people just for the sake of it or based on some superficial reason (appearance, gender, or whatever). I also think that this would be consistent what we have been saying all the time.
That said, we really need our dead-baby jokes to be better, people.
Scented Nectar even had a lift fitted. She leaves nothing to chance.Gefan wrote:Well, that's what you get for accepting an invitation to "coffee" at Scented Nectar's house.Jack wrote: ...I tell you what Marcotte, today I had 3 women on separate occasions look at the bulge in my trousers...
Interesting. The dissenters are not getting dogpiled as much as they could have expected. They are being robustly argued with some attacks thrown in. That's fine. It is also notable that the usual suspects are not there such as Josh Spokesgay who always turn any discussion toxic. From this tiny sample size is seems without the rabble rousers some conversation is possible. Also PMZ came down hard on comments wanting people to die. That is fine by me as that does cross the line. It is a shame that PMZ is so quick with the ban hammer. Nothing kills constructive discussion quicker than that.jjbinx007 wrote:So there quite a shitstorm going on in the comments:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... an-rights/
sleepingwytch links to a site or page that advocates killing all menjjbinx007 wrote:So there quite a shitstorm going on in the comments:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... an-rights/
But if this were a blog written by a woman it "[would work] to post that kind of thing"? :shock:Eristae wrote:24 May 2013 at 11:42 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Whoa, you’re right! I clicked the link, read like two sentences in, decided it was non-nonsensical and quit reading it, but scanning down to the end, that is indeed what it says.Not to derail, but are my eyes deceiving me or did sleepingwytch @53 just link approvingly to a kill-all-men screed?I’m… not okay with that. Sleepingwytch, what gives?
It . . . doesn’t really work to post that kind of thing on a blog written by a man . . .
To be fair sleepingwytch got a lot of flack for doing that. Sorry I am sounding like a contrarian but the general level of posts there I found more constructive than most times when they discuss SJW issues. There was still the same old abuse and assertions but at least it was countered somewhat. Like an echo chamber with a small hole in it.Skep tickle wrote:sleepingwytch links to a site or page that advocates killing all menjjbinx007 wrote:So there quite a shitstorm going on in the comments:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... an-rights/
sleepingwytch's avatar looks familiar (someone who used to be active at A+ forum; think Chernobyl)
Here's comment #136 (numbering may change if PZ approves some posts or removes some, I suppose) - I've added the bolding here:
But if this were a blog written by a woman it "[would work] to post that kind of thing"? :shock:Eristae wrote:24 May 2013 at 11:42 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Whoa, you’re right! I clicked the link, read like two sentences in, decided it was non-nonsensical and quit reading it, but scanning down to the end, that is indeed what it says.Not to derail, but are my eyes deceiving me or did sleepingwytch @53 just link approvingly to a kill-all-men screed?I’m… not okay with that. Sleepingwytch, what gives?
It . . . doesn’t really work to post that kind of thing on a blog written by a man . . .
You seem to be under the impression that people are criticizing Silverman and/or making fun with the hashtag in order to defend Justin. When I called it a "ridiculous statement" I in fact meant that Justin's statement also sucked, I criticized him for it a few pages back. Doesn't change the fact that Silverman was being extremely vague in asking him to denounce "hate" and "shit". So quit yer bitching cunt.cunt wrote:You're right about one thing. I couldn't be arsed to slog through twitter piecing together the conversation or to read jadehawks version of events. Oh and boo-hoo he requested a ridiculous statement from wonder-boy. You know Vacula could have just not written that shit if he actually had such a problem with it.windy wrote:I guess he can't be arsed to argue some point about Silverman that the rest of us morons got wrong, "probably".John Greg wrote:cunt says:
So, what's got your knickers in hissy twist now?This forum is a fucking shithole, really.
If Silverman was really only asking about specific examples like that mspaint job, why did he demand this ridiculous statement from Justin and approve it afterwards?
http://www.skepticink.com/justinvacula/ ... demnation/
Simpleflower hath returned!jjbinx007 wrote:So there quite a shitstorm going on in the comments:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... an-rights/
Yeesh!I am my own side with my own take on things, and yes it’s very extremist/terrorist and I have no qualms with that. It’s very understandable (of course) that you do, but I really don’t care. I’m going to stick around whether you or others like it or not, and if you try to ban me, you’ll go from frenemy to enemy.
Agreed; I've been working my way backwards through the thread (reverse chronologic order) & am seeing now that it's actually being handled relatively well, including some people (Anne C. Hanna in particular) who are saying kind, supportive things while still setting limits on what's acceptable.Jack wrote:To be fair sleepingwytch got a lot of flack for doing that. Sorry I am sounding like a contrarian but the general level of posts there I found more constructive than most times when they discuss SJW issues. There was still the same old abuse and assertions but at least it was countered somewhat. Like an echo chamber with a small hole in it.
Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :) 24 May 2013 at 10:21 pm (UTC -5) Link to this commentPoint the first: her being transgender is irrelevant to my disgust at her views or to any responses in this thread I’ve seen.Xanthe wrote:Icthyic, the discussion of sleepingwytch’s views is a totally off-topic derailment here. You want to turn this thread into another ‘bash the transgender person with mental illness because she has wacky views’ thread? Go right ahead — and then you can have your own personal Slyme Pit, right here on Pharyngula.
Point the second: as noted, she was the one who injected it into a discussion that had no relation whatsoever to her views.
Point the third: as a person with a mental disorder/disability myself I find your attitude here sickeningly patronizing and you can fuck right the hell off.
Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :) 24 May 2013 at 10:22 pm (UTC -5) Link to this commentBECAUSE SHE’S ADVOCATING GENOCIDE?!Xanthe wrote:I’m defending someone who’s mentally ill. Why are you attacking her?
Wow and with a vengeance, so to speak.Voryn wrote:Simpleflower hath returned!jjbinx007 wrote:So there quite a shitstorm going on in the comments:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... an-rights/
Last time I was a guest on a show, it was ReapSowRadio, and I think I was drunk enough that Reap decided not to archive/air the whole mess.justinvacula wrote:Teresa MacBain to come on Brave Hero Radio - June 22
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bravehero/ ... sa-macbain
Adding more names for future shows, too...if people are interested in being a guest, please consider PMing! Currently, apart from special events like #WIScfi reporting, we're broadcasting once per week and can't get everyone in [immediately] so it may be quite the queue - but I can keep names of those who wish to talk in my PMbox here. Thanks!
He did. I know as I was on it :DPhil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Last time I was a guest on a show, it was ReapSowRadio, and I think I was drunk enough that Reap decided not to archive/air the whole mess.justinvacula wrote:Teresa MacBain to come on Brave Hero Radio - June 22
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bravehero/ ... sa-macbain
Adding more names for future shows, too...if people are interested in being a guest, please consider PMing! Currently, apart from special events like #WIScfi reporting, we're broadcasting once per week and can't get everyone in [immediately] so it may be quite the queue - but I can keep names of those who wish to talk in my PMbox here. Thanks!
Still a taker?
PZ doesn't consider sociology to be science? :think: Is this some American terminology thing where science is defined narrowly as the natural sciences? (I know sociologists don't always act the part, but it at least aspires to be a social science)BarnOwl wrote::roll:PZ Myers
24 May 2013 at 4:15 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
I don’t get it either. I was just reviewing my talk for tomorrow, and I’ve got a line in there where I say that science isn’t enough…and specifically bring up sociology as a fundamental discipline we need to solve the world’s problems.
Oh, yeah, quite right there Jack. I never saw any link, and somehow I feel it should stay that way... :whistle:Jack wrote:He did. I know as I was on it :DPhil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Last time I was a guest on a show, it was ReapSowRadio, and I think I was drunk enough that Reap decided not to archive/air the whole mess.justinvacula wrote:Teresa MacBain to come on Brave Hero Radio - June 22
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bravehero/ ... sa-macbain
Adding more names for future shows, too...if people are interested in being a guest, please consider PMing! Currently, apart from special events like #WIScfi reporting, we're broadcasting once per week and can't get everyone in [immediately] so it may be quite the queue - but I can keep names of those who wish to talk in my PMbox here. Thanks!
Still a taker?
Please note my discretion in not mentioning it until you did:) Actually , you were fine. You just kinda faded away.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Oh, yeah, quite right there Jack. I never saw any link, and somehow I feel it should stay that way... :whistle:Jack wrote:He did. I know as I was on it :DPhil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Last time I was a guest on a show, it was ReapSowRadio, and I think I was drunk enough that Reap decided not to archive/air the whole mess.justinvacula wrote:Teresa MacBain to come on Brave Hero Radio - June 22
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bravehero/ ... sa-macbain
Adding more names for future shows, too...if people are interested in being a guest, please consider PMing! Currently, apart from special events like #WIScfi reporting, we're broadcasting once per week and can't get everyone in [immediately] so it may be quite the queue - but I can keep names of those who wish to talk in my PMbox here. Thanks!
Still a taker?
I really was as pissed as pissed can be. It was, like, 3am or something? Maybe even later when we finished. If you have a link, I'll take it in PM. I like to make a fool of meself, but not so much advertising it. Much.Jack wrote:
Please note my discretion in not mentioning it until you did:) Actually , you were fine. You just kinda faded away.
You were just doing your Ozzie Osbourne impression. Really, you were OK. I'll send the link.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I really was as pissed as pissed can be. It was, like, 3am or something? Maybe even later when we finished. If you have a link, I'll take it in PM. I like to make a fool of meself, but not so much advertising it. Much.Jack wrote:
Please note my discretion in not mentioning it until you did:) Actually , you were fine. You just kinda faded away.
Muchas thanksias!Jack wrote:You were just doing your Ozzie Osbourne impression. Really, you were OK. I'll send the link.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I really was as pissed as pissed can be. It was, like, 3am or something? Maybe even later when we finished. If you have a link, I'll take it in PM. I like to make a fool of meself, but not so much advertising it. Much.Jack wrote:
Please note my discretion in not mentioning it until you did:) Actually , you were fine. You just kinda faded away.
Josh is there. But PZ moderates now, instead of sitting back and watching it wind up to the extremes. When he has to step in and ask his followers to not wish people to die by comment 22, they still have some way to go I think. Also, large parts were taken up by that POE that doubles as a troubled soul, thereby averted retaliation. They are now looking for the new target, and if the thread keeps going, will find one to hone in.Jack wrote:Interesting. The dissenters are not getting dogpiled as much as they could have expected. They are being robustly argued with some attacks thrown in. That's fine. It is also notable that the usual suspects are not there such as Josh Spokesgay who always turn any discussion toxic. From this tiny sample size is seems without the rabble rousers some conversation is possible. Also PMZ came down hard on comments wanting people to die. That is fine by me as that does cross the line. It is a shame that PMZ is so quick with the ban hammer. Nothing kills constructive discussion quicker than that.jjbinx007 wrote:So there quite a shitstorm going on in the comments:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... an-rights/
It hasn't escaped my notice that the only reason PZ moderated in that instance is because it made HIM feel uncomfortable. And that, only because he's actually fairly likely to die before Dawkins. So, lesson learned. When you attack others in ways that hit PZ a little too close to home, he will stand up and end that bullshit!Aneris wrote:Josh is there. But PZ moderates now, instead of sitting back and watching it wind up to the extremes. When he has to step in and ask his followers to not wish people to die by comment 22, they still have some way to go I think. Also, large parts were taken up by that POE that doubles as a troubled soul, thereby averted retaliation. They are now looking for the new target, and if the thread keeps going, will find one to hone in.Jack wrote:Interesting. The dissenters are not getting dogpiled as much as they could have expected. They are being robustly argued with some attacks thrown in. That's fine. It is also notable that the usual suspects are not there such as Josh Spokesgay who always turn any discussion toxic. From this tiny sample size is seems without the rabble rousers some conversation is possible. Also PMZ came down hard on comments wanting people to die. That is fine by me as that does cross the line. It is a shame that PMZ is so quick with the ban hammer. Nothing kills constructive discussion quicker than that.jjbinx007 wrote:So there quite a shitstorm going on in the comments:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... an-rights/
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25 May 2013 at 4:22 am (UTC -5)
Andywatson:
Why, why, why can NONE of you ‘both sides are just as bad’ people EVER say what the feminists have said or done that is anywhere as bad as what the Slymepit has? You people always talk vaguely, unable or unwilling to get specific.
So here’s your chance: get specific or leave.
The slymepitters and people like them that have created the rift in the community have engaged in continuous harassment on Twitter (Ophelia Benson has a continuing series where she documents the harassment), the farewell post by Jen McCreight listed in detail the barrage she was under that drove her to take a hiatus. Rebecca Watson has spoken repeatedly about the barrage of vile, unbridled hatred she continues to get. Ophelia and PZ both had images of themselves photoshopped. Greta Christina has a continuing series about what these fuckholes have said and still say about here (stuff about how ugly she is or needs to die or get raped)
These are people who think its funny to joke about raping a Skepchick.
These are people who use gendered slurs as insults because they don’t care if they insult others—BASED ON THEIR GENDER.
These are people that invitite the Westboro Baptist Church to a Women in Secularism conference.
These are people who count among their allies a vacuous, callous, shitbag with ties to A Voice for Men–a women’s hate group.
These are people who create entire videos in YouTube for the sole purpose of calling women c*n*s.
These are people who, when Greta Christina was diagnosed with cancer, intially offered well wishes and a desire to assist her financially only to revoke said offer because people said mean things about them.
These are people who wrote vicious screeds against Greta Christina for asking for financial aid in the first place.
These are people who again treated Greta Christina like dirt because she bought shoes after her treatments.
These are people who think they get a say in what someone does with donated money.
These are people who create fake Twitter accounts in the name of FtB bloggers and say hateful things.
These are people who support Thunderf00t in his misogynistic ranting against anti-harassment policies.
I am sick of you people who act like both sides do it.
Everything I just listed can be found easily. I remember it all, as do many others.
WHAT IN THE EVER LOVING fuck has anyone: PZ, Greta, Ophelia, Jen, Stephanie, Rebecca, Surly Amy, any Pharyngula commenters or anyone on the feminist side ever done that compares to the laundry list of despicable, bottom feeder tactics of the Pitters?
And its going to take a long list of comparable deeds to match what they have done. So if all you can list is “someone told someone to die in a fire†you can stop right now (especially since the commenter who said that long ago apologized and has not said anything like that again AND one example up against the leaning tower of Pit Shit does not compare)
So, can you put up?
I’m not going to hold my breath.
But wouldn't that basically mean killing almost everyody in the world - 7 billlion people?Your death awaits you men, calculated, seductive, inevitable, complete and utter annihilation, until you sleep forever, until you are nothing but a bad memory in the collective memory of humanity. Should it be the case that cisgendered women are inevitably reactionary, they too should be exterminated, such a situation would leave then only transwomen, agendered and third gendered people. Hopefully this is not the case, but if it would be the case, Red Queen 2nd option should be initiated by the concerned parties, to assume the genocidal task towards ciswomen if they are found to be inexorably reactionary and reflexive due to an innate need for men or an innate and unalterable support of patriarchial goals or the existence of men. This is not to be assumed to be the case, but if it is found to be the case, 2nd option should be enacted, and secret societies and secret associations, ciphers, codes, plans, etc, should be enacted to make 2nd option a reality.
I like Franc, but he's not the end-all to the end-all that he pretends to be.ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: TBH Franc can sometimes piss me off with his scorched earth stirring. Some of the writing on his blog is genius, though. He has an uncanny ability to distill things down to their essence with clarity. Guess you have to take the rough with the smooth.
PZ Myers is proud to announce that the FTB school of mind-reading has acquired another A+ graduate.Gumby wrote:I like Franc, but he's not the end-all to the end-all that he pretends to be.
I think you give her too much credit. It's not the actions that she thinks is harassing. It's the person itself. She's objecting to the existence of "creepy" people. If it was someone who she didn't find personally "creepy" she wouldn't have two problems with that behavior.ReneeHendricks wrote:This kind of stuff just irks me. It's women like Marcotte that make it so men have no fucking clue what is acceptable when attempting to approach women. I'm surprised she doesn't have a rape whistle, taser, and pepper spray at the ready for each and every public outing.Voryn wrote:I read her sidewalk harassment a few times and sat here trying to visualize what was going on. The guy looked at her, smiling, and muttered something that MUST be harassment? The guy couldn't have taken a minor fancy to her and said "Hello" or "How are you?" Shit like that happens all the time here, a smile, nod, and a hello(which is sometimes inaudible) to a random stranger, never considered it harassment! You're getting desperate for victim points Marcotte... :snooty:zenbabe wrote:
Bottom of the page http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/23/t ... -generous/
This part was also amusing: "MAKE you write blog posts about them"If it seems baffling to you that people are “into†harassment, I don’t know what to tell you. Why else would people harass? (Don’t say autism, for the love of god. People on the spectrum struggle to interpret social signals. Harassers, on the other hand, are masters at manipulating social rules and actual physical space to creep people out as much as they can get away with. It requires careful study of social signaling, not the opposite.) I got harassed on the sidewalk the other day, because that’s just part of the atmosphere of being female. I didn’t catch exactly what the guy said, because he muttered it, but what he wanted out of the situation couldn’t have been clearer. He had that sly smile, that glint in his eye that harassers get when they manage to capture their target’s attention and make them uncomfortable. It’s the feeling of power they have over you, the little jolt they get from putting a bitch in her place. Why people harass is not a mystery. It makes them feel good to exert power. This motivation is all over the Twitter rampage from the pro-harassment forces. They love drowning out useful tweets about real information with their anti-feminist garbage and ranting. It makes them feel good, like they have power. They can harass you and get under your skin and make you write blog posts about them, and then they feel powerful. It’s all of one cloth, and it’s not about unexamined privilege. It’s about being an asshole. We’re asking them to give up this jolt of feeling powerful they get from making other people sad or angry. No wonder they resent us.
Yes, his "heart condition," which, IIRC refers to coronary artery disease alleviated by stents. Surprising that more of his fans and friends don't get on his case about diet, exercise, and other lifestyle changes. Leisurely walks through cities that you jet around to for conferences just don't hack it for "exercise," I'm afraid.bovarchist wrote: It hasn't escaped my notice that the only reason PZ moderated in that instance is because it made HIM feel uncomfortable. And that, only because he's actually fairly likely to die before Dawkins. So, lesson learned. When you attack others in ways that hit PZ a little too close to home, he will stand up and end that bullshit!
I guess that makes it all OK, right? :roll:sleepingwytch
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The chandelier looks incredible, very pretty =~)
I’ve been going through anxiety attacks and dissociation in bed for the last six hours, so I’m about to goto sleep soon, hopefully. Sorry about earlier, I really struggle to be a good humanist.
I hope the conference is going well PZ, and that you enjoy it.
I think that also describes rather well a certain incident involving Rebecca Watson, an unknown male, and an Irish elevator (assuming that incident actually took place, which I have always doubted.) Actually, I've had a 'shop in mind about that very mindset you describe.Karmakin wrote: I think you give her too much credit. It's not the actions that she thinks is harassing. It's the person itself. She's objecting to the existence of "creepy" people. If it was someone who she didn't find personally "creepy" she wouldn't have two problems with that behavior.
It's her own privilege and entitlement at play here.
They do this all the time, even before I signed up here. Again, this comes back to where responsiblities lie:Dick Strawkins wrote:It is also worth noting that Tony The Virtual Queer Shoop! (I'm still not convinced that he's a POE) uses the standard FTB tactic of associating any single problematic statement made by a member of the slymepit with every other member of the slymepit. Indeed he links actions of trolls opposed to the FTB crowd, to the slymepit.
Is it therefore fair that we now associate SleepingWytch's views with pharyngula?
It makes as much sense as the FTB tactic of linking all of us to any statement they detest, doesn't it?
:shifty:
That's because the word "cunt" is much, much worse than genocide, didn't you know that?rayshul wrote:It's okay when they advocate genocide, not okay when we use the word cunt. Only one is a bannable offense!
I don't think there's a better demonstration of how stupid this shit is.
Do you really think pointing out these things to them will make any difference in their accusations? You can't reason unreasonable people out of an unreasonable position, or however the old saying goes. Besides, all this has more or less been explained to them before, at various times. Reality means nothing to them, only their war on us matters to them.Aneris wrote:They do this all the time, even before I signed up here. Again, this comes back to where responsiblities lie:Dick Strawkins wrote:It is also worth noting that Tony The Virtual Queer Shoop! (I'm still not convinced that he's a POE) uses the standard FTB tactic of associating any single problematic statement made by a member of the slymepit with every other member of the slymepit. Indeed he links actions of trolls opposed to the FTB crowd, to the slymepit.
Is it therefore fair that we now associate SleepingWytch's views with pharyngula?
It makes as much sense as the FTB tactic of linking all of us to any statement they detest, doesn't it?
:shifty:
I felt this should be told them somewhere, but I haven't found an opportunity to post it somewhere (or it was denied due to moderation policies).
- We do not conspire on the board to do certain deplorable actions.
- We do not work together and create depicable photoshops, or videos.
- We do not help each other how to create material that angers, harasses etc. other people.
- The twitterers they are complaining about have no connection to the slymepit. They are either different people, or use different nyms. Again, orchestration here does not take place. In fact, they could be FTB regulars just as well.
- The satire and mockery we DO is out in the open, not edited or deleted and can be viewed. That means, our antgonists can't claim we had "cleaned up" one day their house of cards collapses.
I was hoping for a foursome, energized by my outrageously strong coffee, but my friends all arrived at different times ("separate occasions"). Ah well, some other time. :DGefan wrote:Well, that's what you get for accepting an invitation to "coffee" at Scented Nectar's house.Jack wrote: ...I tell you what Marcotte, today I had 3 women on separate occasions look at the bulge in my trousers...
True. I even went a bit overboard. The building I live in has THREE elevators! It only proves what a sexual predator I am. :twisted:Jack wrote:Scented Nectar even had a lift fitted. She leaves nothing to chance.Gefan wrote:Well, that's what you get for accepting an invitation to "coffee" at Scented Nectar's house.Jack wrote: ...I tell you what Marcotte, today I had 3 women on separate occasions look at the bulge in my trousers...
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ?wpmp_tp=1PZ Myers wrote:When they photoshop our faces onto porn, when they call us “manginas†and “cuntsâ€, when they flood CFI conference streams with denigrating insults to the speakers, they are not making “free inquiryâ€, they are not using “free speech†in a “quest for truth†or to advance “human dignityâ€.
A troll on one of the Nugnut threads linked to PeePee and Grag shopped onto gay porn. A Pitter (!) (me) pointed this out to NugNut and he edited it out.Jan Steen wrote:http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ?wpmp_tp=1PZ Myers wrote:When they photoshop our faces onto porn, when they call us “manginas†and “cuntsâ€, when they flood CFI conference streams with denigrating insults to the speakers, they are not making “free inquiryâ€, they are not using “free speech†in a “quest for truth†or to advance “human dignityâ€.
I may have asked this before, but who has ever photoshopped PZ Myers onto porn? This is an accusation that is regularly made, but I doubt any of the Slymepit photoshoppers has the required combination of a poor sense of humour, dubious ethics and above all a strong enough stomach to do such a thing.
As for "denigrating insults" (are there non-denigrating insults?), look who's talking. If PZ got a dollar for every time he used the word "asshole" he could quit scrubbing aquariums for a living.
The only porno photoshops were those posted to Nugents site by some anonymous asshole.Jan Steen wrote:http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ?wpmp_tp=1PZ Myers wrote:When they photoshop our faces onto porn, when they call us “manginas†and “cuntsâ€, when they flood CFI conference streams with denigrating insults to the speakers, they are not making “free inquiryâ€, they are not using “free speech†in a “quest for truth†or to advance “human dignityâ€.
I may have asked this before, but who has ever photoshopped PZ Myers onto porn? This is an accusation that is regularly made, but I doubt any of the Slymepit photoshoppers has the required combination of a poor sense of humour, dubious ethics and above all a strong enough stomach to do such a thing.
As for "denigrating insults" (are there non-denigrating insults?), look who's talking. If PZ got a dollar for every time he used the word "asshole" he could quit scrubbing aquariums for a living.
http://cdn4.pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/f ... edium.jpegLsuoma wrote: BTW, how IS that dialogue going?
So a Pitter pointed it out. Guilty by association. Now let's attack Peezus for promoting genocide.Lsuoma wrote:A troll on one of the Nugnut threads linked to PeePee and Grag shopped onto gay porn. A Pitter (!) (me) pointed this out to NugNut and he edited it out.Jan Steen wrote:http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ?wpmp_tp=1PZ Myers wrote:When they photoshop our faces onto porn, when they call us “manginas†and “cuntsâ€, when they flood CFI conference streams with denigrating insults to the speakers, they are not making “free inquiryâ€, they are not using “free speech†in a “quest for truth†or to advance “human dignityâ€.
I may have asked this before, but who has ever photoshopped PZ Myers onto porn? This is an accusation that is regularly made, but I doubt any of the Slymepit photoshoppers has the required combination of a poor sense of humour, dubious ethics and above all a strong enough stomach to do such a thing.
As for "denigrating insults" (are there non-denigrating insults?), look who's talking. If PZ got a dollar for every time he used the word "asshole" he could quit scrubbing aquariums for a living.
BTW, how IS that dialogue going?