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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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I hadn't seen this before but the Secular Woman organization seems to have been stung by the criticism leveled at them for rejecting out of hand the open letter calling for better behavior in the secular community

http://www.secularwoman.org/ourresponse

Rather than taking the criticisms seriously they have chosen the ridiculous option of redefining feminism as, and I quote:

"being against sexism"

And yet they do not allow any debate on their particular interpretation.
If you disagree with their stance then you are, therefore, in favor of sexism! :shock:


UPDATE (4/15/13):

1. The idea that “feminism is a social movement to end sexism” is a textbook definition. We are not interested in participating in diversionary conversations about ‘gender feminism’ or ‘equity feminism’ or whether the SCUM Manifesto represents our definition of feminism. It does not.

Feminism – defined simply as being against sexism – is one of our values. As such, it informs the way we approach the mission, vision, and strategic goals of our volunteer organization.

Proving that feminism is a valid worldview is something Secular Woman is not interested in pursuing. What we are interested in pursuing is the strategic goals that we have set for our organization.

2. Because of our Response to the Open Letter, we have been criticized for not wanting to “listen to” or “be more charitable” to our opponents. This criticism suggests that we have shut down the dialog before even listening to the “opposing” side. The dialog concerning feminism and its role in atheism/secularism has been going on for some time now and we are aware of the great number of related conversations that have taken place in countless online forums, at secular conferences, and other venues. The formation of Secular Woman was a response to the ongoing “debate” about whether feminism has a place in the secular movement and community. We assert that it does. Because of this core value, we work from a viewpoint that takes the defining principles of feminism to be “self evident” (meaning we are not going to debate feminism’s validity; but are very open to discussions within a feminist framework).

Since conversations about the nuances of feminism are happening elsewhere, Secular Woman chooses to focus on its mission: promoting the voice and presence of non-religious women. We also choose to take the advice of Ron Lindsay (CFI President and CEO): "Or, if one thinks enough effort has been spent on rebuttal, simply ignoring them."

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Michael K Gray wrote:For Pat's "progressives", read FfTB/Skepchunk/A+Theism/SJWorriers/&cetera.
For Pat's "liberals", read Slymepit &cetera:
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This is both brilliant and infuriating (the journalists part). I think he got it 100% right.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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To whoever posted that Waybackmachine link to Miranda's post: Fuck you!

I was almost over the frustration of those days long gone, but some of the comments there are making my blood boil (figuratively, of course).

So, fuck you very much indeed!

(Nah, just kidding, I'm having a good laugh reading that bullshit again)

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Gefan wrote:Since we spend a lot of time hereabouts dealing with people who are terminally disingenuous and/or detached from reality, the following article deserves some attention:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/rig ... h-is-back/

Money quote; "Unlike Obama’s tenure, there was no successful attack on the homeland after 9/11." (emphasis, mine)

"After 9/11". That's simply glorious.
You mean, besides that little hiccup where, having been explicitly warned ahead of time "The Catastrophe That Walks Like A Man" (to steal from Bill Maher) presided over a worse national security failure than Pearl Harbor? You mean that, if we just ignore 3,000 fatalities happening on his watch Dubya beats Obama by 3 to 0?
Really?
That's certainly not the only bit of shamelessness therein but it has to be the worse.
Fucking neocons. I want to live long enough to see your berserk ideology follow fascism and communism onto the ash heap of history.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:And where is APPLES? I miss them.
Still here :) ... work is cutting into my Pit-time, but I've been lurking.

PZ is a dick.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:Totally OT: I just saw the fourth episode of season 3 GoT. I'm not gonna spoil anything, I'm just gonna say the last five-to-six minutes of the episode is fucking epic. Holy shit. Goosebumps.
I nearly cried manly tears at the utter coolness of the scene you are talking about.
Agreed, I just rewatched that scene for the sheer epicness. The show is really getting better and better.
I got all choked up at the end. I'm starting to fear that the show will make my TV melt with sheer brilliance.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Apples wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:And where is APPLES? I miss them.
Still here :) ... work is cutting into my Pit-time, but I've been lurking.

PZ is a dick.
APPLEEEEEESSSSS!!!!

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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TedDahlberg wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:Totally OT: I just saw the fourth episode of season 3 GoT. I'm not gonna spoil anything, I'm just gonna say the last five-to-six minutes of the episode is fucking epic. Holy shit. Goosebumps.
I nearly cried manly tears at the utter coolness of the scene you are talking about.
Agreed, I just rewatched that scene for the sheer epicness. The show is really getting better and better.
I got all choked up at the end. I'm starting to fear that the show will make my TV melt with sheer brilliance.
Those were my great discoveries, dating a year and a half: Game of Thrones, and Breaking Bad. When I first read the pitch of BB, I was not so enthrailed. Ali and I started watching with a "meh, let's see where it's going" mindset. Then, we were blown away. We've watched the series 2 times already, and are eagerly waiting for the second part of season 5 (July). Then when BB and GoT are over, we still have the new Dexter season coming up in september. A very good year for TV shows, I'd say.

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Re: Taslima Nasreen Made Me Do It

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Remick wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Small Brain Syndrome: The condition that compels Taslima Nasreen to overcompensate for her lack of intelligence by attempting to explain a complex issue in 140 characters.
Interesting, if a person with a small penis isn't a man(because it takes a big penis to be a man), then aren't they a victim rather than perp?
Well, at least Taslima has provided an acid test which should lay to rest the haunting spectre of Schrodinger's rapist.

Radfem: 'Greetings male. I desire to know if you are likely to rape me or not. To determine this, I need to see your genitals. Please shed your patriarchal not-skirt."

Male lowers his trousers and no doubt manly-skidded underpants. Radfem examines his pudenda.

Radfem response A: 'Ew - watch out, the robins are nesting at the moment. That's tiny. Stay away from me, rapist."

Radfem response B: 'Blimey, that's a wife-tamer and a half! Welcome, decent non-raping male. I would be happy to wander naked with you.'

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Dang, I'm going to have to catch up on GoT. I've no idea what happens in Season 3, but if involves Dany and the Houses of the Undying, it must be awesome (I've read all the ASoIaF books, several times). I detested Dany during the "my Moon and Stars" phase with Khal Drogo, but GRRM turned her into a fascinating character thereafter. Same thing with Jamie Lannister - hated him initially, and then he became one of my favorites. Tyrion is the best, IMHO. And the portrayal of the Iron Islanders' squidshit crazy belief system is a great take-down of fundamentalist religions.

I listened to about 20 minutes of the "hangout" on atheism and environmentalism. Of course they begin yammering on about Western consumerism and how we need to recycle and buy fewer iPhones and stop demanding cheap plastic crap - I don't disagree with any of that, but the huge greasy elephant in the room is fossil fuel use. Maybe they'll address that issue later. I haven't seen any willingness on their parts to reduce fossil fuel consumption. PeeZus gives a spiel about fracking and greed. Again, I don't disagree (and I live very close to fracking operations here), but if we eliminate those sources of fossil fuels, then we need to have some alternatives. Which include placing solar panel arrays in the desert.

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
And nannyish Home Seketerrys wot refuses well known activists entry to the UK on the basis of what they might say. Try burning a Koran in the UK. A visit from the police is guaranteed.
Try burning a US flag in the US. A visit from your neighbors, their relatives, the local newspaper, FOX news, random "Lone Wolf" types from Arizona with too many guns and too few brain cells, and the police is guaranteed.
WBC does it regularly. While they are quite hated, and ridiculed, it doesnt seem to provoke much more attention than their other antics.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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BarnOwl wrote:Dang, I'm going to have to catch up on GoT. I've no idea what happens in Season 3, but if involves Dany and the Houses of the Undying, it must be awesome (I've read all the ASoIaF books, several times). I detested Dany during the "my Moon and Stars" phase with Khal Drogo, but GRRM turned her into a fascinating character thereafter. Same thing with Jamie Lannister - hated him initially, and then he became one of my favorites. Tyrion is the best, IMHO. And the portrayal of the Iron Islanders' squidshit crazy belief system is a great take-down of fundamentalist religions.
And Peter Dinklage in the role is amazing. The only thing I could possibly complain about is that he's not as ugly as the character is in the books, but really…

Also, am looking forward to the death of a certain someone. Although again, kudos to that actor, while the character is as loathsome as in the books I enjoy his performance.

And I love that the Drowned God is a thinly veiled Cthulhu.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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BarnOwl wrote:
And Peter Dinklage in the role is amazing. The only thing I could possibly complain about is that he's not as ugly as the character is in the books, but really…
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Neither are the actors who play Brienne, or Ygritte, or Jorah, or Ramsay, or just about any character described in the books as ugly. I was hoping they'd have the courage to cast genuinely ugly actors, but hey, that's television for you.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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WTF? FTB seems to have put up DDOS protection from Cloud Flare.

Welch, have you been trying to post there again? :lol:

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This is in Swedish, sorry, but there was a pretty terrible opinion piece published yesterday on the website of a major newspaper. "Climate Change is a Man". The title sums up the piece pretty well. Er, I think, I found it badly written to the point where it was difficult to tell exactly what the writer wanted to say. I may be wrong, but basically the writer claims that the central question in the climate debate is "what is a real man," and since any solutions to climate change requires sacrifice which is female and therefore unmanly we're doomed, because patriarchy. Oh, there are technological solutions which might help but those are manly and therefore don't work.

Google Translate doesn't like the format of the URL and I don't want to copy and paste the whole thing here, but anyone who's interested might want to give pasting it into Google Translate a shot. It might even make it more readable than in the original.

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Re: Taslima Nasreen Made Me Do It

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Tigzy wrote:
Remick wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Small Brain Syndrome: The condition that compels Taslima Nasreen to overcompensate for her lack of intelligence by attempting to explain a complex issue in 140 characters.
Interesting, if a person with a small penis isn't a man(because it takes a big penis to be a man), then aren't they a victim rather than perp?
Well, at least Taslima has provided an acid test which should lay to rest the haunting spectre of Schrodinger's rapist.

Radfem: 'Greetings male. I desire to know if you are likely to rape me or not. To determine this, I need to see your genitals. Please shed your patriarchal not-skirt."

Male lowers his trousers and no doubt manly-skidded underpants. Radfem examines his pudenda.

Radfem response A: 'Ew - watch out, the robins are nesting at the moment. That's tiny. Stay away from me, rapist."

Radfem response B: 'Blimey, that's a wife-tamer and a half! Welcome, decent non-raping male. I would be happy to wander naked with you.'
Recently Taslima seems to have comecum down with "penis on brain" syndrome. Big penises, small penises...penis, penis, penis.

Here, this might help:

[youtube]WhwbxEfy7fg[/youtube]

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Summer is Coming...

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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welch wrote:
Remick wrote:
cunt wrote:
Southern wrote:Oh, boo-hoo, the fat bearded sissy who likes to denounce gelatto shop owners but has yet to pick up a battle against Lil'Wayne and other rappers over sexism thinks the police work against a guy who planted bombs in a city is too harsh, too "manly".

Please, PZ, do tell me: at the top of your authority as a tentacle-rape manga specialist, what do you think the police should have done? Maybe thrown a squid over his head, your pansy sack of hypocrisy and cowardice?
It's just the shittiest example possible. One of the few situations where you could reasonably say that the police actually need that type of equipment. Peezus basically objects because the truck looks scary and attempts to paint it as the average police deployment in the USA. Fuck me, even in his scandinavia utopias they have and would use this equipment in that situation.
Exactly, while he may have a point RE: how we actually reduce crime in this country. Being critical of police using heavily armored trucks and body armor while looking for a suspect who literally threw improvised explosives and pipebombs at them less than 24 hours later while avoiding capture defeats your own argument on the grounds of absurdity.

It perfectly quantifies my issues with FfTB and A+, While I likely agree with 70-80% of their positions, I agree with almost 0% of their solutions and tactics.
What solution? He doesn't have fuck all for a solution, he links to someone else who has one. The amount of actual solutions those dingdongs come up with on their own could probably fit in a sippy cup.
And I don't agree with any of them ;)

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Skep tickle wrote:Another reflection of the bind he's in: His post from April 20 on "#radfem2013" has 115 comments. His post from April 20 on Coelacanth evolution (genome sequencing, phylogeny, fossils) has 12 comments (several of which are about how cute the drawings on the phylogenetic tree are).
That’s not just PZ, that's almost everyone in A/S/H. This forum was originally born, as you know, from extraordinarily lengthy comment threads about the (mis)application of feminism on ERV's generally uncontroversial science blog. Her threads on anti-science woo don't generate as much debate, because most of her readers are pro-science.

On my own minor blog any post about feminism reliably pulls a 5-10x comment boost over similarly detailed posts about anything else other than maybe gun control. I'm guessing that people must really love an ongoing controversy, unless it's couched in a structured dialogue. :mrgreen:

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vandelay wrote:
BarnOwl wrote:
And Peter Dinklage in the role is amazing. The only thing I could possibly complain about is that he's not as ugly as the character is in the books, but really…
Neither are the actors who play Brienne, or Ygritte, or Jorah, or Ramsay, or just about any character described in the books as ugly. I was hoping they'd have the courage to cast genuinely ugly actors, but hey, that's television for you.[/quote]

This is true. But as long as they're good actors, I'm happy.

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TedDahlberg wrote:
vandelay wrote:
BarnOwl wrote:
And Peter Dinklage in the role is amazing. The only thing I could possibly complain about is that he's not as ugly as the character is in the books, but really…
Neither are the actors who play Brienne, or Ygritte, or Jorah, or Ramsay, or just about any character described in the books as ugly. I was hoping they'd have the courage to cast genuinely ugly actors, but hey, that's television for you.
This is true. But as long as they're good actors, I'm happy.[/quote]

Yeah me too. Apparently there are a lot of ASOIAF fans that are butthurt about the show leaving out some characters and plot lines, which I don't understand at all. The show is made mainly with people who haven't read the books in mind, and it's a miracle that those people are able to follow the show as it is. Offhand, I can't think of another show that demands so much of its viewers in terms of keeping track of such a huge number of characters and plots.

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vandelay wrote:
TedDahlberg wrote:
vandelay wrote:
BarnOwl wrote:
And Peter Dinklage in the role is amazing. The only thing I could possibly complain about is that he's not as ugly as the character is in the books, but really…
Neither are the actors who play Brienne, or Ygritte, or Jorah, or Ramsay, or just about any character described in the books as ugly. I was hoping they'd have the courage to cast genuinely ugly actors, but hey, that's television for you.
This is true. But as long as they're good actors, I'm happy.
Yeah me too. Apparently there are a lot of ASOIAF fans that are butthurt about the show leaving out some characters and plot lines, which I don't understand at all. The show is made mainly with people who haven't read the books in mind, and it's a miracle that those people are able to follow the show as it is. Offhand, I can't think of another show that demands so much of its viewers in terms of keeping track of such a huge number of characters and plots.[/quote]

I haven't read the books and am enjoying the show tremendously. Lots of names, families, political ties...etc. But anyone who has gone through The Silmarillion can keep up. The acting is top notch (Sean bean was the one who attracted me to the show, but now I'm flabbergasted by the commitment they all put in GoT). And of course, there's the music...

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Summer is Coming...
Cheque your Northern Hemisphere Patriarchal axis privilege!
The Axis of (≅23.5°) EVIL!!

Win-ter is cumming.
To the bits that are of importance.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Michael K Gray wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Summer is Coming...
Cheque your Northern Hemisphere Patriarchal axis privilege!
The Axis of (≅23.5°) EVIL!!

Win-ter is cumming.
To the bits that are of importance.
Watch out for the WhiteWalkers, then. They look exactly like Red Kangaroos, except they don't speak.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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d4m10n wrote:On my own minor blog any post about feminism reliably pulls a 5-10x comment boost over similarly detailed posts about anything else other than maybe gun control. I'm guessing that people must really love an ongoing controversy, unless it's couched in a structured dialogue.
My opinion is that when the conversation devolves to the level of the deliberately, and consciously framed as, 'unprovable dogma', vis: Theology, Gender Feminism, Firearm policing, Patriarchy, Rape-Culture, Pervasive Sexism in "The Atheist Movement", and cetera, is that the hoi polloi foam at the mouth with slavering certainty precisely BECAUSE both the subject, and the manner of discourse, proffer these feeble turds their 5 minutes of fame.

It is nothing more than a power-game for the power-lame.

It matters not a jot to them whether they are correct or incorrect.
It is the short-term personal power-jolt, purchased on credit, that matters.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Summer is Coming...
Cheque your Northern Hemisphere Patriarchal axis privilege!
The Axis of (≅23.5°) EVIL!!

Win-ter is cumming.
To the bits that are of importance.
Watch out for the WhiteWalkers, then. They look exactly like Red Kangaroos, except they don't speak.
That is impressive.
Seriously.
That a Francophone seems to know about the Kadiatcha men (Wikipædia spells it "Kurdaitcha", which is not how I learned it, but what they hey.)
And the Fantom.
The Ghost who balks.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Michael K Gray wrote:
d4m10n wrote:On my own minor blog any post about feminism reliably pulls a 5-10x comment boost over similarly detailed posts about anything else other than maybe gun control. I'm guessing that people must really love an ongoing controversy, unless it's couched in a structured dialogue.
My opinion is that when the conversation devolves to the level of the deliberately, and consciously framed as, 'unprovable dogma', vis: Theology, Gender Feminism, Firearm policing, Patriarchy, Rape-Culture, Pervasive Sexism in "The Atheist Movement", and cetera, is that the hoi polloi foam at the mouth with slavering certainty precisely BECAUSE both the subject, and the manner of discourse, proffer these feeble turds their 5 minutes of fame.

It is nothing more than a power-game for the power-lame.

It matters not a jot to them whether they are correct or incorrect.
It is the short-term personal power-jolt, purchased on credit, that matters.
I'd think that unprovable dogma about society should lead self-avowed skeptics into boring arguments about evidence and statistics and whatnot, rather than mouth foaming slathering.

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d4m10n wrote:I'd think that unprovable dogma about society should lead self-avowed skeptics into boring arguments about evidence and statistics and whatnot, rather than mouth foaming slathering.
I do not count myself in the exalted halls of the mightily arrogant self-professed "skeptix".
Nor high-brow hypocritical "humanists".

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:For Pat's "progressives", read FfTB/Skepchunk/A+Theism/SJWorriers/&cetera.
For Pat's "liberals", read Slymepit &cetera:
nwK7VRkbGiU
This is both brilliant and infuriating (the journalists part). I think he got it 100% right.
About the only thing he got right. The rest he got 100% wrong.

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sacha wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:Totally OT: I just saw the fourth episode of season 3 GoT. I'm not gonna spoil anything, I'm just gonna say the last five-to-six minutes of the episode is fucking epic. Holy shit. Goosebumps.

shhhh I just began season one
Lucky! I wish I could forget and watch it all over again, just for the sheer amazing quality of the show.

(I might have created a slight problem with spoilers in this thread, though. :shifty:)

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Oh bless. Welsh thinks I'm a "libertarian". In the same way Setar thinks anyone not a maoist is a "libertarian".

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Just saw this on my internet travels.

http://i.imgur.com/bF7HSTr.jpg?1

She looks familiar...

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Michael K Gray wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Summer is Coming...
Cheque your Northern Hemisphere Patriarchal axis privilege!
The Axis of (≅23.5°) EVIL!!

Win-ter is cumming.
To the bits that are of importance.
Watch out for the WhiteWalkers, then. They look exactly like Red Kangaroos, except they don't speak.
That is impressive.
Seriously.
That a Francophone seems to know about the Kadiatcha men (Wikipædia spells it "Kurdaitcha", which is not how I learned it, but what they hey.)
And the Fantom.
The Ghost who balks.
No idea what you're talking about (in fact, now I do, I'm reading the article you linked. Good stuff). I was just musing along GoT and Pratchett's 'The Last Continent". Yeah, stereotypes, sorry 'bout that.

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Re: Pat Condell on "Progressives"

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Pitchguest wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:For Pat's "progressives", read FfTB/Skepchunk/A+Theism/SJWorriers/&cetera.
For Pat's "liberals", read Slymepit &cetera:
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This is both brilliant and infuriating (the journalists part). I think he got it 100% right.
About the only thing he got right. The rest he got 100% wrong.
I thought it made sense. Would you like to argue the points? (I won't. I'm not that into politics and labellings).

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Re: About Twisty

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:About Twisty
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Twisty Faster, a spinster aunt who's never gotten laid, (...)
Not that I want to defend this Twisty person (i don't know her, I don't read the shit she posts anyway), but what does "never gotten laid" have to do with the rest? If she's still a virgin, so what? If she isn't anymore, so what?

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Apples wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:And where is APPLES? I miss them.
Still here :) ... work is cutting into my Pit-time, but I've been lurking.

PZ is a dick.
Who would miss any of you? Everybody knows all of you are franc's sock puppets.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Summer is Coming...
So brace yourselves.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Rather than cross the street when I see a woman, I propose that enlightened men instead be required to carry two ice-cream cones with them at all times, one in each hand, in order that women may feel reassured that we are harmless. Nobody ever raped a woman while carrying two ice-cream cones.

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Re: About Twisty

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Southern wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:About Twisty
Twisty.jpg
Twisty Faster, a spinster aunt who's never gotten laid, (...)
Not that I want to defend this Twisty person (i don't know her, I don't read the shit she posts anyway), but what does "never gotten laid" have to do with the rest? If she's still a virgin, so what? If she isn't anymore, so what?
Iblamethe patriarchy is written in a kind of annoying semi-ironic style, such that it reads almost like a POE. I don't think it is, but I guess the style serves to protect her from some of the silly things she has written.
It is useful to view that site as a guage of how far FTB has moved over the past few years. A couple of years back Twisty was railing against McCreights boobquake because she thought it was too much of a chill girl type activity. She hasn't switched her position but FTB, on the other hand has now reached a point where their current views are pretty close to Twisty's.

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Sexual Harassment of a Minor

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Sexual Harassment spotted on Yahoo today - in Dear Abby, of all places. I wonder what the SJW's would say about this.
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DEAR ABBY: My son is a tall, strikingly handsome teenager, although somewhat shy. Our problem is that his looks attract the wrong kind of attention from aggressive girls, and it's getting worse every year.

He and his 14-year-old sister went out to eat after school yesterday, and when they returned it was obvious my son was upset and his sister was furious. She said a group of college girls at a table next to them were teasing and taunting my son with blatantly sexual propositions. They went so far as to touch him suggestively as they got up to leave.

I'm sure they got the physical response from him they wanted; he is only 17, after all. But he was clearly angry, embarrassed and ashamed. He said he felt trapped and didn't know what to do.

The sexual harassment of young men is often laughed off with a wink and a nudge, but it isn't funny. It can be as painful and damaging to men as to women. Furthermore, my son is a minor, and I suspect the college girls were adults, if the beer on the table was any indication.

I am trying to raise my son to respect women and to be a decent man, husband and father someday, but frankly, I'm at a loss as to how to help him handle this type of sexual aggressiveness from girls. Do you or any of your readers have any suggestions? -- SHOCKED MOM IN TENNESSEE

DEAR MOM: I can see why your son and daughter were upset. He was not only sexually harassed by those young women, but when they put their hands on him, he was assaulted. When the teasing escalated, he and his sister should have changed tables or left the restaurant.

If your son's father is in the picture, he should discuss the incident with your son. If that's not possible, another adult male should help him understand that his arousal was normal and nothing to be ashamed of. I am sure my male readers will also want to weigh in on your letter because what happened to your son was outrageous.
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They would probably say the girls were raped.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Southern wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Summer is Coming...
So brace yourselves.
I'm bracin' mah anus.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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bovarchist wrote:Rather than cross the street when I see a woman, I propose that enlightened men instead be required to carry two ice-cream cones with them at all times, one in each hand, in order that women may feel reassured that we are harmless. Nobody ever raped a woman while carrying two ice-cream cones.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Gefan wrote:Since we spend a lot of time hereabouts dealing with people who are terminally disingenuous and/or detached from reality, the following article deserves some attention:

Money quote; "Unlike Obama’s tenure, there was no successful attack on the homeland after 9/11."
It's also disingenuous to pretend there's any real difference between bush and obama in their "war on terror" (sic). But if you want to keep score, obama has murdered about 6x as many civilians with drones as bush, and leads bush 2-0 in assassinations of US citizens. I think they're even in casualties and money wasted in Afghanistan. In number of days the illegal detention facility at Gitmo has been kept open, obama still has some catching up to do. Then again, it wasn't bush who promised to shut down the place in his first 100 days.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Cunning Punt wrote:
Southern wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Summer is Coming...
So brace yourselves.
I'm bracin' mah anus.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Gefan wrote:Since we spend a lot of time hereabouts dealing with people who are terminally disingenuous and/or detached from reality, the following article deserves some attention:

Money quote; "Unlike Obama’s tenure, there was no successful attack on the homeland after 9/11."
It's also disingenuous to pretend there's any real difference between bush and obama in their "war on terror" (sic). But if you want to keep score, obama has murdered about 6x as many civilians with drones as bush, and leads bush 2-0 in assassinations of US citizens. I think they're even in casualties and money wasted in Afghanistan. In number of days the illegal detention facility at Gitmo has been kept open, obama still has some catching up to do. Then again, it wasn't bush who promised to shut down the place in his first 100 days.
So you want to count civilians killed accidently by drones as murdered, but civilians killed as a result of an invasion of a country and nothing? Sounds legit!

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Re: About Twisty

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Southern wrote:
Not that I want to defend this Twisty person (i don't know her, I don't read the shit she posts anyway), but what does "never gotten laid" have to do with the rest? If she's still a virgin, so what? If she isn't anymore, so what?
From what I've read of Twisty's rants, she's anti-sex and extremely anti-male. Satire's always a gamble, but the comment was meant to encapsulate Twisty's unhealthy attitudes toward male-female dynamics.

The broader point of my satire (which Gefan noticed) was, this is an unbalanced person whose nonsensical diatribes should not be afforded the gravitas they currently are.

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Re: Sexual Harassment of a Minor

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Bill the Cat wrote:Sexual Harassment spotted on Yahoo today - in Dear Abby, of all places. I wonder what the SJW's would say about this.
http://news.yahoo.com/aggressive-girls- ... 46433.html
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They would probably say the girls were raped.
I've gotten fat and I'm only 5'8, but when I was a bit younger, this shit was pretty constant. It pretty much taught me that women are no better than men in this regard, but that they simply have a more narrow subset of men they do this to. I guess what we can take from this is that men are uglier than women.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Ophelia has a new post up where she demonstrates how she still can't let go of Dawkins' "Dear Muslima" event, by linking to an article that begins with "Dear Muslima[at]"

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... uuuuse-me/

The thing is, she says "it's like 'Dear Muslima' except it really isn't." Except that it is. He's writing about things that should be given more precedence, like protesting about people being stoned to death as opposed to protesting people protesting being stoned to death. He's writing about perspective and priorities and urges #MuslimahPride to get theirs straight. It's written with exactly the same intention as Dawkins' post. In fact, it's all the more poignant because he's addressing it to Muslims and not to some entitled bint living comfortably in the West complaining about being asked in for a "coffee."

Letting your bias get the better of you, Benson, or is it simply because Kunwar Khuldune Shahid looks the part and isn't an "old, privileged white male"?

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Re: About Twisty

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Southern wrote:
Not that I want to defend this Twisty person (i don't know her, I don't read the shit she posts anyway), but what does "never gotten laid" have to do with the rest? If she's still a virgin, so what? If she isn't anymore, so what?
From what I've read of Twisty's rants, she's anti-sex and extremely anti-male. Satire's always a gamble, but the comment was meant to encapsulate Twisty's unhealthy attitudes toward male-female dynamics.

The broader point of my satire (which Gefan noticed) was, this is an unbalanced person whose nonsensical diatribes should not be afforded the gravitas they currently are.
Is she really anti-sex?
It's hard to tell if she's being serious about that aspect of her Twisty character or if that is just an attempted humorous take on a radfem stereoptype. Besides, nobody really considers themselves 'anti-sex', at least nobody who has a major following online. It is usually better to describe the divide as pro-porn/anti-porn, rather than pro/anti sex.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Oh, and I know you're reading this, Ophelia, so feel free to put this in your "bullying and harassment" thread. Freebie.

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Re: About Twisty

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Dick Strawkins wrote: Is she really anti-sex?
It's hard to tell if she's being serious about that aspect of her Twisty character or if that is just an attempted humorous take on a radfem stereoptype. Besides, nobody really considers themselves 'anti-sex', at least nobody who has a major following online. It is usually better to describe the divide as pro-porn/anti-porn, rather than pro/anti sex.


She has said things such to the effect that 'The Patriarchy' means woman can't give properly autonomous consent. Whether this should be taken seriously is a matter of interpretation. However, the textual evidence certainly points to her holding a position at least similar to the one she outlines below.
in a patriarchy, “consensual sex” (between women and dudes) doesn’t even exist. This is because, in a patriarchy, agency is not conferred equally upon women and dudes. This untoward circumstance creates a contingency wherein the notion of consent is, for women, entirely non-substantive, a figment, a desperate fantasy invented to obscure the true nature of women’s status as the sex class

http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/201 ... arted-fun/

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Re: About Twisty

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Guest wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote: Is she really anti-sex?
It's hard to tell if she's being serious about that aspect of her Twisty character or if that is just an attempted humorous take on a radfem stereoptype. Besides, nobody really considers themselves 'anti-sex', at least nobody who has a major following online. It is usually better to describe the divide as pro-porn/anti-porn, rather than pro/anti sex.


She has said things such to the effect that 'The Patriarchy' means woman can't give properly autonomous consent. Whether this should be taken seriously is a matter of interpretation. However, the textual evidence certainly points to her holding a position at least similar to the one she outlines below.
in a patriarchy, “consensual sex” (between women and dudes) doesn’t even exist. This is because, in a patriarchy, agency is not conferred equally upon women and dudes. This untoward circumstance creates a contingency wherein the notion of consent is, for women, entirely non-substantive, a figment, a desperate fantasy invented to obscure the true nature of women’s status as the sex class

http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/201 ... arted-fun/
So, basically, rape is the absolute most common crime in the world? No wonder those people are so broken, having the knowledge that more than 7 billion rapes have occurred over the world, and many billion more happen every single day.

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Re: About Twisty

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Guest wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote: Is she really anti-sex?
It's hard to tell if she's being serious about that aspect of her Twisty character or if that is just an attempted humorous take on a radfem stereoptype. Besides, nobody really considers themselves 'anti-sex', at least nobody who has a major following online. It is usually better to describe the divide as pro-porn/anti-porn, rather than pro/anti sex.


She has said things such to the effect that 'The Patriarchy' means woman can't give properly autonomous consent. Whether this should be taken seriously is a matter of interpretation. However, the textual evidence certainly points to her holding a position at least similar to the one she outlines below.
in a patriarchy, “consensual sex” (between women and dudes) doesn’t even exist. This is because, in a patriarchy, agency is not conferred equally upon women and dudes. This untoward circumstance creates a contingency wherein the notion of consent is, for women, entirely non-substantive, a figment, a desperate fantasy invented to obscure the true nature of women’s status as the sex class

http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/201 ... arted-fun/

In other words, PZ should stop raping his wife.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Remick wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Gefan wrote:Since we spend a lot of time hereabouts dealing with people who are terminally disingenuous and/or detached from reality, the following article deserves some attention:

Money quote; "Unlike Obama’s tenure, there was no successful attack on the homeland after 9/11."
It's also disingenuous to pretend there's any real difference between bush and obama in their "war on terror" (sic). But if you want to keep score, obama has murdered about 6x as many civilians with drones as bush, and leads bush 2-0 in assassinations of US citizens. I think they're even in casualties and money wasted in Afghanistan. In number of days the illegal detention facility at Gitmo has been kept open, obama still has some catching up to do. Then again, it wasn't bush who promised to shut down the place in his first 100 days.
So you want to count civilians killed accidently by drones as murdered, but civilians killed as a result of an invasion of a country and nothing? Sounds legit!
Remick gotta point.

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Re: About Twisty

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Ericb wrote:
Guest wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote: Is she really anti-sex?
It's hard to tell if she's being serious about that aspect of her Twisty character or if that is just an attempted humorous take on a radfem stereoptype. Besides, nobody really considers themselves 'anti-sex', at least nobody who has a major following online. It is usually better to describe the divide as pro-porn/anti-porn, rather than pro/anti sex.


She has said things such to the effect that 'The Patriarchy' means woman can't give properly autonomous consent. Whether this should be taken seriously is a matter of interpretation. However, the textual evidence certainly points to her holding a position at least similar to the one she outlines below.
in a patriarchy, “consensual sex” (between women and dudes) doesn’t even exist. This is because, in a patriarchy, agency is not conferred equally upon women and dudes. This untoward circumstance creates a contingency wherein the notion of consent is, for women, entirely non-substantive, a figment, a desperate fantasy invented to obscure the true nature of women’s status as the sex class

http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/201 ... arted-fun/

In other words, PZ should stop raping his wife.
Jeez, my ex wife would get the shits if I didn't fuck her regularly. What universe does this woman live in? (Okay, I know, one data point.)

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Re: About Twisty

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Guest wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote: Is she really anti-sex?
It's hard to tell if she's being serious about that aspect of her Twisty character or if that is just an attempted humorous take on a radfem stereoptype. Besides, nobody really considers themselves 'anti-sex', at least nobody who has a major following online. It is usually better to describe the divide as pro-porn/anti-porn, rather than pro/anti sex.


She has said things such to the effect that 'The Patriarchy' means woman can't give properly autonomous consent. Whether this should be taken seriously is a matter of interpretation. However, the textual evidence certainly points to her holding a position at least similar to the one she outlines below.
in a patriarchy, “consensual sex” (between women and dudes) doesn’t even exist. This is because, in a patriarchy, agency is not conferred equally upon women and dudes. This untoward circumstance creates a contingency wherein the notion of consent is, for women, entirely non-substantive, a figment, a desperate fantasy invented to obscure the true nature of women’s status as the sex class

http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/201 ... arted-fun/
That article, and the comments, include some of the dumbest fucking statements I've ever seen. And I've watched Kent Hovind videos. I had planned to pluck out a few choice quotes to comment on, but there's just too many; this post would be hundreds of pages long. It's like none of these people have ever left the house and talked to people in society, much less actually ever had any sex.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Angry_Drunk wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
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And nannyish Home Seketerrys wot refuses well known activists entry to the UK on the basis of what they might say. Try burning a Koran in the UK. A visit from the police is guaranteed.
Try burning a US flag in the US. A visit from your neighbors, their relatives, the local newspaper, FOX news, random "Lone Wolf" types from Arizona with too many guns and too few brain cells, and the police is guaranteed.
OK, you'd probably be lynched. But will it be an officially sanctioned lynching? Will the cops really be involved?
Yes and yes, depending upon where you did it and who you were.
Ye gods you are full of shit.
He's not just merely full of shit, he's really most sincerely full of shit.



Seriously, what the fuck? I've been through about 2/3 of the US and almost all of the western half extensively, and I can imagine maybe pissing someone off if you happen to live next door to some drunk-ass psycho pseudo-patriot who cries when the national anthem plays, but that's about it. Hell, a couple of years ago I trolled a Glenn Beck "Renew America" protest with about 60-70 people waving signs and yelling, yelling at them that they were a bunch of spoiled shits trying to feel important because they were too lazy to actually do anything- they didn't much like it, but it was all good fun, just like when I smiled and flipped off the anti-abortion protesters(on more than a couple occasions).

Our "loonies" are generally pretty weak sauce face-to-face, and depend on free speech as much as the sane folks. Not a lot of lynchings these days, and we were never too big on stoning or beheading. You may, once in a great while, come across the occasional small town tyrant cop or judge who thinks he can interpret the constitution on his own terms, but it's pretty rare and generally goes away if you make a fuss. Nobody gets "disappeared" over free speech.

Quit believing the hype, it's a pretty nice place overall.

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Re: About Twisty

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Metalogic42 wrote: http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/201 ... arted-fun/

That article, and the comments, include some of the dumbest fucking statements I've ever seen. And I've watched Kent Hovind videos. I had planned to pluck out a few choice quotes to comment on, but there's just too many; this post would be hundreds of pages long. It's like none of these people have ever left the house and talked to people in society, much less actually ever had any sex.
The issue of consent — or, more precisely, the idea that women are considered by both custom and law to abide in a persistent state of always having given consent — is the absolute crux, nub, hub, axis, polestar, and epicenter of women’s oppression.
Can anyone explain the above quote to me, please? I understand all the individual words but not the way she ties them together. Where is this place that women are by law in a persistent state of consent? Saudi Arabia?

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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On flag burning, I don't quite get why burning a US flag in the US is considered such an offense. It clearly says in the Constitution that the proper way to "put a flag to rest" is to burn it, hence when someone is burning an American flag -- which they've presumably bought -- then they are getting rid of it the right way according to tradition. Moreover, they are not burning YOUR flag, or the flag of the United States, they are burning an IMAGE of the flag of the United States and they are burning THEIR OWN flag.

I think David Mitchell said it best:

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