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John Greg wrote:Um, not to quibble, particularily, but that's not an analysis, as such, it's a test, or more accurately, an essay assignment to create an analysis of political cartoons.
Um? Is that you Setar?

I was just going by the title. Describe it however you wish.

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No, it is not Setar here. Just someone clarifying for accuracy.

And no, it is not an analysis, regardless of the title. Although, the introductory paragraph does touch, lightly, on describing, but not analysing, political cartoons.

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Post by Phil_Giordana_FCD »

To be frank, I don't care much about political cartoons. I never found them funny, even in Mad Magazine. I don't like caricatures either. I do, however, like the moking of stupid ideas and deeds.

Someone having a big nose, or big ears, or being overweight is of no concern to me. Someone acting like an arse, on the other hand...

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I mean, I'll give Taslima a break on the atrocious sentence structure because I know English isn't her first language. But the elementary-grade namecalling? How old is she, 12?

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Skep tickle wrote:
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Steersman wrote: However, while I don’t think she is a stupid woman by any manner of means, although I think she has a great many highly questionable premises running around in her cranium, ...
FWIW, it sets my teeth on edge to see "woman" used in this context - modified by an adjective that presumably has nothing to do with the noun it modifes - instead of a noun or noun phrase that's either broader (like "person") or more specific in a relevant area (like "FTB commenter" of "SJW"). Obviously, YMMV.
Yea, I was mulling that over later myself and wondering about the connotations and echoes of that phrase, although I did use it after giving some thought to those aspects. However, not to defend it overmuch, I might point to the following definition of the word which includes meanings other than “congenital” with its supposed implication of “characteristic of the class”:
stu•pid (stpd, sty-)
adj. stu•pid•er, stu•pid•est
1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
3. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake.
4. Dazed, stunned, or stupefied.
Further, the context – at least as suggested by my later references to Zvan, Jadehawk, and Sally Strange and “others in that rather benighted neck of the woods” – was that there are some rather problematic aspects to several schools of sociological thought, and which seem to undergird much of radfem “theology”, that might reasonably be construed to cause its devotees to become rather “dazed, stunned, or stupified”. And as a case in point, I might direct your attention to a comment and discussion on one Nugent’s threads that sort of attempts to defend Zvan’s “Dear Dick” letter. This subsequent comment in response provides a rather succinct summary:
D'oh wrote: When you use gendered insults its harassment and threats. When I use gendered insults it’s perfectly justified, because reasons.
Now I don’t know whether Zvan herself tried to defend the use of that phrase, but I would have say that she would have to have been rather stupid – “obtuse; tending to make poor decisions” – to not realize the implications of her phrasing. And for her and/or others to continue to defend that use implies, to my way of thinking, that they are doubly stupid to think that everyone else is so stupid as to not “get” that it was a pointed gendered insult. People in glass houses and all that.

As for the others, I might also point you to Jadehawk’s blog discussion of Michael’s dialog – which features a highly questionable comment by Sally Strange as a bonus – where she also attempts to defend several of those same rather problematic sociological concepts I referred to above. And while I agreed with her broaching the subject of emergence and its application to the discussion, I also argued that her understanding of the concept and use of related phrases was highly questionable. Her response? More or less along the lines of the creationist’s “Nyah! Nyah! Can’t hear you!” Stupid is as stupid does.
Skep tickle wrote:And I'm missing the wit in her comments, or it's been awfully diluted by her wall-o'-text and YELLING VIA CAPITAL LETTERS and fuck fuck fucks. But YMMV.
I was sort of thinking along the line of a broader definition to the word, rather than just the humourous one you apparently had in mind, to wit, wit:
wit 1 (wt)
n.
1. The natural ability to perceive and understand; intelligence.
2.
a. Keenness and quickness of perception or discernment; ingenuity. Often used in the plural: living by one's wits.
b. wits Sound mental faculties; sanity: scared out of my wits.
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a. The ability to perceive and express in an ingeniously humorous manner the relationship between seemingly incongruous or disparate things.
As mentioned, I think she makes some quite reasonable arguments that at least seem to hang together except that many of them seem to be predicated on some highly questionable premises – which Zvan is apparently too “obtuse” to recognize. Or the consequences of allowing them to stand. Although I note with some amusement that she did a little bit of “tone policing” relative to LSP’s comments. [/pedant/Steersman-mode ;-) :-) ]
Skep tickle wrote:… it seems to me that the targets of the gratuitous insults are too readily distracted by it, if they really want to accomplish what they say they do.
Indeed. That whole scenario reminds me of having watched some women’s roller-blading contests – many moons ago – in which one contestant had just finished putting an opponent into the upper bleachers with a well-timed, but highly illegal, hip-check for which she was duly penalized. And her response was simply classic, in effect: “Who, me? Surely, you jest! Moi?” Maybe charming in six-year olds, but in adults it is highly questionable – if not actually stupid. And while I generally don’t give a rat’s ass about insults, I get quite peeved at the hypocrisy of allowing some but anathematizing others as it is, I think, self-serving in the extreme. Not to mention seriously constraining and limiting the scope of public discussions on important issues.

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Michael K Gray wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:…I enjoy Jan Steen's photoshops because they are smart, to the point, and usually don't make use of one's physical characteristic. Maybe some of his works did and I missed it, but overall it's good humour. Like Peezus and O.
Likewise.
Mr Steen is a shining example of "how to do satire maturely, and in a targeted fashion that might make William Tell envious."
Accurate. Adult. Admirable. … Splendid. … Wicked.
Gratifying to hear this, much obliged, etc., but I have to note that as far as I can tell my work has never been mentioned at the FTBorg. I do try to avoid using involuntary characteristics of my ‘targets’ (and sometimes I just target generic crypto-marxist-post-modern-radfem ideologues and hypocrites anyway), but the downside of this seems to be that the optimal strategy to deal with my ‘shops is simply to ignore them. They don’t fit in the narrative that the Slymepit routinely produces photoshops of famous SJ warriors in pornographic poses. I would say that some of the more tasteless ‘shops produced by some of the pitters, while being tasteless (but hardly pornographic), are more effective than mine in that they draw a response. Sometimes bad publicity is better than no publicity. It may cause at least a few people who are capable of independent thought to take a look at the Pit. Some of those may then discover for themselves that the common lies about the Pit (that it is a den of misogynist or racist MRAs who issue rape threats when they are not photoshopping bestiality) are just that -- lies. It worked like that in my case.

By the way, I have tried to make some satire out of PZ Myer’s admiration for radfem Twisty Faster, but so far I have to report utter failure. Satire is ineffective when the crackpottery on display is simply too outlandish. Twisty is beyond parody. If you don’t see that she lives in a crazy parallel universe inhabited by ‘dudes’ (she calls all men ‘dudes’) who use their wives as a toilet (meaning they have sex without a condom), and where the Patriarchy is at least as important and pervasive as gravity, then I don’t know what kind of satire can open your eyes. I really don’t.

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Hey all. So, what have I missed? Been concentrating on my guy and little else lately. Miss you all!

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ReneeHendricks wrote:Hey all. So, what have I missed? Been concentrating on my guy and little else lately. Miss you all!
I just had a MASSIVE dump. Didn't get any pics, though...

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Hunt wrote:1) What is your working definition of Christianity? If it was when disciples were palling around with Jesus, then it was definitely first century, unless you ascribe to Mythical Jesus Theory. Or do you consider the origin with the Gospels, in which case, Mark was probably written around 70 AD. Or what?
There is precisely zero extant contemporary evidence for Christianity in the first century, and a single literal scrap of 'evidence' that has been attributed to the second century. "Dated" by means of wishful thinking alone.
(The regularly touted "Josephus" is a clear fraudulent addition by later Christians, and Mara bar Serapion when touted as "evidence" is a newbies mistranslation of "slave".)
I subscribe to the notion that Jesus most likely is a fiction.
The Jesus of the bible is an impossibility, but Yeshua that some claim the super-hero is based on, also likely did not exist.
Richard Carrier actually gets this pretty much correct, as it happens.

As it happens, I do not have a single "working definition of Christianity". Reduction of a worldwide 1600+ year phenomenon to a simplistic definition would not do it justice.
Hunt wrote:Mark was probably written around 70 AD
On what evidential basis do you make that claim?

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John Greg wrote:So, has the BIG DIALOGUE simply shut down now? The last comment was entered on April 17. That's ten days ago. Ten days! Even Stefunny is no longer blathering about it on her blog.
I'ma be honest here, I don't think this the "debate" part is going to work because there is no common ground on this issue. Sides on the issue have already been sorted. The rest is just personality shit.

I wouldn't accept the way they treat women or anyone else and their ideologies - and I don't think I'm the most hardline of the 'pitters, I just think it's fucking embarrassing and unacceptable. There's nothing anyone is going to say that will make me agree with their views.

But the point of it is I think for people to talk civilly. At least in that it succeeded.

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I don't know how much I contribute every time I bring this up, but I'm certainly okay with all the 'shops, and I've yet to see one I found "questionable". Of course, that comes with bias. The harshest of them have always been directed at PZ - as well as the harshest comments on his looks and personality - and given the dumb cunt started all this in the first place I've got zero sympathy.

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Lsuoma wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Hey all. So, what have I missed? Been concentrating on my guy and little else lately. Miss you all!
I just had a MASSIVE dump. Didn't get any pics, though...
Kinda glad you didn't :D

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Al had a chat to Taslima before about the fact she was steering into motherfucking nutfuck territory. I wonder if there's anyone else out there (while Al is on hiatus) who may want to have "that talk" with her. Because woah, I don't think she's doing anyone any favours by spouting shit on twitter.

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ReneeHendricks wrote:Hey all. So, what have I missed? Been concentrating on my guy and little else lately. Miss you all!
Richard Carrier making a hilarious propaganda speech about Atheism Plus, posting it on Youtube and almost begging for upvotes, with the result that it got more than 5000 downvotes and less then 800 upvotes. PZ going further down the rabbit hole by commending wackaloon radfem Twisty Faster for being a "ferociously passionate writer, and simply brilliant in her insights." For the rest, the Pit seems to have slowed down a bit.

Nothing more important than focussing on your guy. All the best to you two.

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Carrier gives the three basic moral values of Atheism+

"Compassion, Integrity and reasonableness"

With FtB in mind I still haven't stopped laughing at that one.

I don't post that often , but I very much enjoy the playful banter here.Thanks and keep it coming.

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John Greg wrote:For example, one of the most common (and effective) elements of skilled political cartoonists is to satirize such physical elements as noses, and general body shape, size, and other characteristics.

...Phil and MKG, I would be most interested to hear/read your arguments in more detail, especially with a focus on the phenomona of political cartoonists and that form of satirizing unchanegeable physical elements.
You refer to caricature, not satire.
Caricature is, in my opinion, intended to immediately & viscerally identify the target of related satire, and when done properly is a powerful emotional amplifier to the satire, (but not a substitute).
If a caricature appears without good satire, it is just dumb mockery designed to give offense alone, and I find this kind of 4th grade political cartoon groaningly unfunny.
Our local rag (The Advertiser) has an example of this pointless puerile jeering masquerading as a humorous cartoon on a daily basis.
The 'artist' thinks that if he draws our PM with a big nose and steatopygous arse, and no dialogue, then his work is done.

Repellent.

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Turglemeister wrote:Carrier gives the three basic moral values of Atheism+

"Compassion, Integrity and reasonableness"
And Carrier can't even remember his own stupid slogan, because he also gives it as "Compassion, honesty and reasonableness."

Kind of reminds me of the three chief weapons of the Spanish Inquisition: "Compassion, integrity and reasonableness. And honesty. No, make that four weapons: Compassion, integrity, honesty and reasonableness." :lol:

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Jan Steen wrote:
Turglemeister wrote:Carrier gives the three basic moral values of Atheism+

"Compassion, Integrity and reasonableness"
And Carrier can't even remember his own stupid slogan, because he also gives it as "Compassion, honesty and reasonableness."

Kind of reminds me of the three chief weapons of the Spanish Inquisition: "Compassion, integrity and reasonableness. And honesty. No, make that four weapons: Compassion, integrity, honesty and reasonableness." :lol:
NOBODY expects the Carrierquisition!

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MKG said:
You refer to caricature, not satire.
Yes, good point. Thanks for mentioning that.

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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bravehero/ ... ecriticalg

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rayshul wrote:Always wonder why they willfully ignore the fact that the Slymepit was created by a woman, and is filled with people who supported that woman. And they supported her because THAT woman stood up for ANOTHER, younger woman, who had no agency to defend herself in a public situation.

The Slymepit is a fucking cunt fest.

hahaha!

and love your rant as well, Pitchguest

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I LOLed.

[youtube]10UTeOV6PzI[/youtube]

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Michael K Gray wrote: As it happens, I do not have a single "working definition of Christianity". Reduction of a worldwide 1600+ year phenomenon to a simplistic definition would not do it justice.
What I meant was what do you mean by "Christianity did not exist." You've made it clear, but it could have meant that you don't think Christianity was a formal religion until later than the first century. What you mean is you think Jesus didn't exist.
Michael K Gray wrote:
Hunt wrote:Mark was probably written around 70 AD
On what evidential basis do you make that claim?
First of all, I'm not a historian, but getting that out of the way...the best evidence seems to be that Mark records the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple in 70 AD (CE) but doesn't seem to have details, which indicates it might have been written early in the Roman persecution. If it was before 70, it was someone's guess about what was about to go down.

That of course doesn't exclude the possibility of Mythical Jesus Theory, even if it was as early as 65, that would have been at least three decades after the supposed death of Jesus and a lot of storytelling can happen in that time.


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Dear ZenBabe,

No need to lurk. No one here bites.

I'm sure people would give a different version of the Great Atheist and Skeptical Schism, the Clown Circus of Social Justice Warriors, why King Jong Un is probably saner and more tolerant than P.Z. Meyers, the obvious parallels between Ophelia Benson and Alyce LaViolette beside the obligatory and true references to bad clams. What a Rebecca Watson is and the link between heavy-metal arsenic laden hair dye and going Drama Queen on a whole community and why Melody Hensley of CFI decided to model herself on a Kids in the Hall character. NO, not the "I'm squeezing your head" one.

And you don't even have to register. You can post as a guest, but registration is easy and fun.

Adult themes, snark, disparaging remarks and going for The Lulz is encouraged.

And as a bonus we have only one moderator, some panty-sniffer named Lousoma, Loosummer, or some such shit.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:My favorite 'toshop of all time was this one, By Dick Strawkins, maybe? (please correct misatributtion):

http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo35 ... 29a836.png[/URL]

I'm still in stiches at that one. (yeah, re-watching The Avengers right now)

aesthetics only - RDjr is sexy as fuck. delicious. I've had fantasies, and fantastic sex dreams about him since the 1980's, and he's just getting more and more attractive. That man could make me orgasm with a look from across the room... pity he's so annoying when not in character.
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yes, I have a type:
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add a few years until they are mid 50's to early 60's and that is visual perfection for sacha.

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Lsuoma wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Hey all. So, what have I missed? Been concentrating on my guy and little else lately. Miss you all!
I just had a MASSIVE dump. Didn't get any pics, though...
No pics, it didn't happen...

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Lsuoma wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Hey all. So, what have I missed? Been concentrating on my guy and little else lately. Miss you all!
I just had a MASSIVE dump. Didn't get any pics, though...
Yeah, that's our one and only moderator right there.

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Al Stefanelli wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Hey all. So, what have I missed? Been concentrating on my guy and little else lately. Miss you all!
I just had a MASSIVE dump. Didn't get any pics, though...
No pics, it didn't happen...
How long have you been channeling Kenny Rogers?

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sacha wrote: add a few years until they are mid 50's to early 60's and that is visual perfection for sacha.
You need to roll in duct tape, get off some of the pet hair and go out for a good schtupping.

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Hunt wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:
Hunt wrote:Mark was probably written around 70 AD
On what evidential basis do you make that claim?
First of all, I'm not a historian, but getting that out of the way...the best evidence seems to be that Mark records the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple in 70 AD (CE) but doesn't seem to have details, which indicates it might have been written early in the Roman persecution. If it was before 70, it was someone's guess about what was about to go down.
That is not 'evidence'.
"Mark", (the true authors are unknown), could have been written in 350AD, and still match every bit of extant evidence that we have. I don't believe that date, but it is a possibility.
That folk aim for around 70AD is nothing more than backward logic, combined with wishful thinking.
(Start with a conclusion, and force a narrative to fit.)
There is nothing to choose between 200AD & 70AD. Nothing whatsoever.
There is also precious little evidence of the existence of organised Christianity before 400AD.
If you can point me to some physically dated stuff from before then, I would be obliged.
I have eyeballed & translated several early papyrii, esp P47 (Rylands), but all of the dates of these mss (125~150AD) are based on pure orthographic guess-work by very biased believers (or non-beleivers whose jobs would collapse if the dating of these mss were to be centuries later than their guesses).
Back-dated orthography is just too easy to fake, even by a mediocre scribe.
They have yet to be dated by reliable physical dating methods.
Until then, 70AD for some documents that no-one has any evidence that they have ever existed, is unrealistically optimistic, to put it charitably.

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Mykeru wrote:
Al Stefanelli wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Hey all. So, what have I missed? Been concentrating on my guy and little else lately. Miss you all!
I just had a MASSIVE dump. Didn't get any pics, though...
No pics, it didn't happen...
How long have you been channeling Kenny Rogers?
I'm not shaving until Christmastime. Planning on playing Santa. If that don't work out, I can always audition for ZZ Top...

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Al Stefanelli wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Hey all. So, what have I missed? Been concentrating on my guy and little else lately. Miss you all!
I just had a MASSIVE dump. Didn't get any pics, though...
No pics, it didn't happen...
Christoph Waltz, is that you?

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Al Stefanelli wrote:If that don't work out, I can always audition for ZZ Top...
[youtube]MKGai9_81gY[/youtube]

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Mykeru wrote:
sacha wrote: add a few years until they are mid 50's to early 60's and that is visual perfection for sacha.
You need to roll in duct tape, get off some of the pet hair and go out for a good schtupping.
you have no idea just how much I need a good schtupping.

“I do not want to be the leader. I refuse to be the leader. I want to live darkly and richly in my femaleness. I want a man lying over me, always over me. His will, his pleasure, his desire, his life, his work, his sexuality the touchstone, the command, my pivot. I don’t mind working, holding my ground intellectually, artistically; but as a woman, oh, God, as a woman I want to be dominated. I don’t mind being told to stand on my own feet, not to cling, be all that I am capable of doing, but I am going to be pursued, fucked, possessed by the will of a male at his time, his bidding.”

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Al Stefanelli wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
Al Stefanelli wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Hey all. So, what have I missed? Been concentrating on my guy and little else lately. Miss you all!
I just had a MASSIVE dump. Didn't get any pics, though...
No pics, it didn't happen...
How long have you been channeling Kenny Rogers?
I'm not shaving until Christmastime. Planning on playing Santa. If that don't work out, I can always audition for ZZ Top...
Are you going to redecorate the zombie killer cart as Santa's Sleigh?

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Pitchguest wrote:
Al Stefanelli wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Hey all. So, what have I missed? Been concentrating on my guy and little else lately. Miss you all!
I just had a MASSIVE dump. Didn't get any pics, though...
No pics, it didn't happen...
Christoph Waltz, is that you?
http://thewildones.faketrix.com/content ... -truck.jpg

About to take a massive dump.

In other news, I was unable to get my dentist over the weekend. Apparently one of my wisdom teeth is attention whoring. According to the warning label on the Advil, I've taken so much should I pee, flushing will poison the water table.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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sacha wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
sacha wrote: add a few years until they are mid 50's to early 60's and that is visual perfection for sacha.
You need to roll in duct tape, get off some of the pet hair and go out for a good schtupping.
you have no idea just how much I need a good schtupping.
I'm there for you, baby.

Of course I pretty much suck in bed. I'm a cum, roll over, call room service, eat a cheeseburger and go to sleep kind of guy. Plus I snore and grind my teeth. Also, actually getting out of bed in the middle of the night is far too much trouble for me. But, most of the time when I wet the bed, I do it from the top of the dresser.

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franc on Dumbed Down Atheist Podcast for the second time

sacha (franc sockpuppet #1)

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Mykeru wrote:
sacha wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
sacha wrote: add a few years until they are mid 50's to early 60's and that is visual perfection for sacha.
You need to roll in duct tape, get off some of the pet hair and go out for a good schtupping.
you have no idea just how much I need a good schtupping.
I'm there for you, baby.

Of course I pretty much suck in bed. I'm a cum, roll over, call room service, eat a cheeseburger and go to sleep kind of guy. Plus I snore and grind my teeth. Also, actually getting out of bed in the middle of the night is far too much trouble for me. But, most of the time when I wet the bed, I do it from the top of the dresser.

awww, thanks luv

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sacha wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
sacha wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
sacha wrote: add a few years until they are mid 50's to early 60's and that is visual perfection for sacha.
You need to roll in duct tape, get off some of the pet hair and go out for a good schtupping.
you have no idea just how much I need a good schtupping.
I'm there for you, baby.

Of course I pretty much suck in bed. I'm a cum, roll over, call room service, eat a cheeseburger and go to sleep kind of guy. Plus I snore and grind my teeth. Also, actually getting out of bed in the middle of the night is far too much trouble for me. But, most of the time when I wet the bed, I do it from the top of the dresser.

awww, thanks luv
Yes, the 30 second creampie can be yours.

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Michael K Gray wrote: "Mark", (the true authors are unknown), could have been written in 350AD, and still match every bit of extant evidence that we have. I don't believe that date, but it is a possibility.
That folk aim for around 70AD is nothing more than backward logic, combined with wishful thinking.
(Start with a conclusion, and force a narrative to fit.)
There is nothing to choose between 200AD & 70AD. Nothing whatsoever.
There is also precious little evidence of the existence of organised Christianity before 400AD.
If you can point me to some physically dated stuff from before then, I would be obliged.
The Scriptures are explicitly mentioned in the 381 (Constantinople) version of Nicene Creed, so at least some of them must have existed at that time.

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Mykeru wrote:Dear ZenBabe,

No need to lurk. No one here bites.
errhnnnnngggg. Hating you a little bit right now sir. You've compelled a post but it's more likely I'll lurk and be a yellow name for quite a while.
I'm sure people would give a different version of the Great Atheist and Skeptical Schism, the Clown Circus of Social Justice Warriors, why King Jong Un is probably saner and more tolerant than P.Z. Meyers, the obvious parallels between Ophelia Benson and Alyce LaViolette beside the obligatory and true references to bad clams. What a Rebecca Watson is and the link between heavy-metal arsenic laden hair dye and going Drama Queen on a whole community
Well bring it on, as my head space for the past few years has been decidedly elsewhere.
But I've had great fun today reading here, there and everywhere trying to figure out who is who and what moniker goes where and applies to what sort of people.

Roughly gotten the gist of PZ, and Rebecca Watson is the girl who, when someone asked her out for some coffee while in an elevator with her (and I gather left her alone after that?), freaked the hell out and then an entire drama ensued. I've been slowly reading this http://freethoughtkampala.wordpress.com ... vatorgate/ as a summary. If anyone has a better way to put it all together please enlighten.

No idea who Ophelia is yet really. Like good ole Alyce though huh?
and why Melody Hensley of CFI decided to model herself on a Kids in the Hall character. NO, not the "I'm squeezing your head" one.
Who is this and what is that and which character then?
The boozy homosexual in the bar?
And you don't even have to register. You can post as a guest, but registration is easy and fun.

Adult themes, snark, disparaging remarks and going for The Lulz is encouraged.

And as a bonus we have only one moderator, some panty-sniffer named Lousoma, Loosummer, or some such shit.
Yes I've noticed her :)

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Hunt wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote: "Mark", (the true authors are unknown), could have been written in 350AD, and still match every bit of extant evidence that we have. I don't believe that date, but it is a possibility.
That folk aim for around 70AD is nothing more than backward logic, combined with wishful thinking.
(Start with a conclusion, and force a narrative to fit.)
There is nothing to choose between 200AD & 70AD. Nothing whatsoever.
There is also precious little evidence of the existence of organised Christianity before 400AD.
If you can point me to some physically dated stuff from before then, I would be obliged.
The Scriptures are explicitly mentioned in the 381 (Constantinople) version of Nicene Creed, so at least some of them must have existed at that time.
Link, please?
(Note that I explicitly prepend "extant contemporary" in front of "evidence". Not copies of copies of copies. What is the verified age of the oldest existing specimen of this Creed? What Papyrus number is it? Where is it stored?)
Ta.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Welcome back Mykeru! Coming to #wiscfi?

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Michael K Gray wrote:
Hunt wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote: "Mark", (the true authors are unknown), could have been written in 350AD, and still match every bit of extant evidence that we have. I don't believe that date, but it is a possibility.
That folk aim for around 70AD is nothing more than backward logic, combined with wishful thinking.
(Start with a conclusion, and force a narrative to fit.)
There is nothing to choose between 200AD & 70AD. Nothing whatsoever.
There is also precious little evidence of the existence of organised Christianity before 400AD.
If you can point me to some physically dated stuff from before then, I would be obliged.
The Scriptures are explicitly mentioned in the 381 (Constantinople) version of Nicene Creed, so at least some of them must have existed at that time.
Link, please?
(Note that I explicitly prepend "extant contemporary" in front of "evidence". Not copies of copies of copies. What is the verified age of the oldest existing specimen of this Creed? What Papyrus number is it? Where is it stored?)
Ta.
Would you accept the Edict of Milan as evidence that there were Chrstians in 313?

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MKG will likely not.

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Al Stefanelli wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Hey all. So, what have I missed? Been concentrating on my guy and little else lately. Miss you all!
I just had a MASSIVE dump. Didn't get any pics, though...
No pics, it didn't happen...
http://www.ratemypoo.com/

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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JAB wrote:
Would you accept the Edict of Milan as evidence that there were Chrstians in 313?
There's also the little matter of Constantine converting to Christianity. I suppose it's still possible that he could have converted to an offbeat cult, kind of like Tom Cruise and Scientology today, and there is no lack of examples of world leaders believing in wacky, non-mainstream stuff.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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JAB wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:
Hunt wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote: "Mark", (the true authors are unknown), could have been written in 350AD, and still match every bit of extant evidence that we have. I don't believe that date, but it is a possibility.
That folk aim for around 70AD is nothing more than backward logic, combined with wishful thinking.
(Start with a conclusion, and force a narrative to fit.)
There is nothing to choose between 200AD & 70AD. Nothing whatsoever.
There is also precious little evidence of the existence of organised Christianity before 400AD.
If you can point me to some physically dated stuff from before then, I would be obliged.
The Scriptures are explicitly mentioned in the 381 (Constantinople) version of Nicene Creed, so at least some of them must have existed at that time.
Link, please?
(Note that I explicitly prepend "extant contemporary" in front of "evidence". Not copies of copies of copies. What is the verified age of the oldest existing specimen of this Creed? What Papyrus number is it? Where is it stored?)
Ta.
Would you accept the Edict of Milan as evidence that there were Chrstians in 313?
Where is the oldest verified original of this edict?
If none, then what is the oldest dated copy of this Edict?

Amateur Folks, and those with an agenda, almost always do this the wrong way around.
They start with a copy of a copy of a copy of unknown date, and hold it up as proof positive that everything in that chain of Chinese whispers is faithful to reality. Often they do so by offering that the document in question also provides contemporary historical details, as though that somehow shows that the rest of the info is flawless.
But, by that "logic", one must accept that Sherlock Holmes was real, because of the real addresses in London, and the real Monarchs, that are mentioned also existed.

No. One must start with what physical evidence we actually possess:
Monuments, Stele, documents, coins, etc.
Then date them using the very best physical techniques.
Then estimate how likely it is that someone would wish to forge them, (in part, or in whole), or copy them willingly from a previous forgery.
Then estimate the likelihood that a permanently drunk monk/scribe might make an error of translation, (Aramaic, for instance, is notorious for its colloquialisms and reliance on complex puns)

I'm not going to delve into Bayesian stats here, but it does have application in working back through the chain, reducing the probability of accuracy in every step backwards in time.

Do this with the Edict of Milan, and get back to me.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Link, please?
http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/tex ... ne381.html
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.

On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
As for date of earliest specimen, I don't know and my Google-fu isn't good enough to find out. Probably much later, as you suspect.

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Post by Lsuoma »

Michael K Gray wrote:
JAB wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:
Hunt wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote: "Mark", (the true authors are unknown), could have been written in 350AD, and still match every bit of extant evidence that we have. I don't believe that date, but it is a possibility.
That folk aim for around 70AD is nothing more than backward logic, combined with wishful thinking.
(Start with a conclusion, and force a narrative to fit.)
There is nothing to choose between 200AD & 70AD. Nothing whatsoever.
There is also precious little evidence of the existence of organised Christianity before 400AD.
If you can point me to some physically dated stuff from before then, I would be obliged.
The Scriptures are explicitly mentioned in the 381 (Constantinople) version of Nicene Creed, so at least some of them must have existed at that time.
Link, please?
(Note that I explicitly prepend "extant contemporary" in front of "evidence". Not copies of copies of copies. What is the verified age of the oldest existing specimen of this Creed? What Papyrus number is it? Where is it stored?)
Ta.
Would you accept the Edict of Milan as evidence that there were Chrstians in 313?
Where is the oldest verified original of this edict?
If none, then what is the oldest dated copy of this Edict?

Amateur Folks, and those with an agenda, almost always do this the wrong way around.
They start with a copy of a copy of a copy of unknown date, and hold it up as proof positive that everything in that chain of Chinese whispers is faithful to reality. Often they do so by offering that the document in question also provides contemporary historical details, as though that somehow shows that the rest of the info is flawless.
But, by that "logic", one must accept that Sherlock Holmes was real, because of the real addresses in London, and the real Monarchs, that are mentioned also existed.

No. One must start with what physical evidence we actually possess:
Monuments, Stele, documents, coins, etc.
Then date them using the very best physical techniques.
Then estimate how likely it is that someone would wish to forge them, (in part, or in whole), or copy them willingly from a previous forgery.
Then estimate the likelihood that a permanently drunk monk/scribe might make an error of translation, (Aramaic, for instance, is notorious for its colloquialisms and reliance on complex puns)

I'm not going to delve into Bayesian stats here, but it does have application in working back through the chain, reducing the probability of accuracy in every step backwards in time.

Do this with the Edict of Milan, and get back to me.
"MKG will likely not"

I win a kewpie doll.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Hunt wrote:
JAB wrote:
Would you accept the Edict of Milan as evidence that there were Chrstians in 313?
There's also the little matter of Constantine converting to Christianity. I suppose it's still possible that he could have converted to an offbeat cult, kind of like Tom Cruise and Scientology today, and there is no lack of examples of world leaders believing in wacky, non-mainstream stuff.
For your relief, I am convinced that Constantine did convert to a nascent sect of Christianity.
But because there is extant independently dated evidence for same.

But this is 4thC!
Not 70AD.

Shed-loads of difference.

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speaking of Freethought Kampala, where IS James?

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Taslima again!

This time objectifying some guy that was featured in a story from Saudi Arabia, where he was deported from a festival for being "too handsome" and thus likely to distract the women attendees.
(Is anyone worried that Melody Hensley might read this story and get an idea how she can deal with Justin Vacula at the wsc2 conference!?)
http://freethoughtblogs.com/taslima/201 ... -handsome/
I like Omar. Handsome men came from the UAE. So the Saudi authorities could deport them from Saudi Arabia. But what if some Saudi men are found too sexy and too handsome? Saudi authorities would not be able to deport them from their own country. In that case they should seriously think of forcing sexy men to wear burqas. All beautiful women wear burqas in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Society is now calm and quiet. If all beautiful men wear burqas, everybody will find tranquility they need. Ugly fat men can walk around freely. No one looks at them anyway. I tell you the truth why I like him so much. I like him for wearing eye-liner. His eye-liner has made him look so cute and yummy!
I dont mind Taslima. She speaks her mind. But she certainly doesn't follow the FTB social justice warrior script. And if Taslima, the most famous person who blogs at FTB, isn't required to follow the rules, then why should anyone else do so?

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justinvacula wrote:Welcome back Mykeru! Coming to #wiscfi?
I hear franc is going. 'Course it may be in the guise of his many sockpuppets...

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"one of his many sockpuppets", that is

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Dick Strawkins wrote:Taslima again!

This time objectifying some guy that was featured in a story from Saudi Arabia, where he was deported from a festival for being "too handsome" and thus likely to distract the women attendees.
(Is anyone worried that Melody Hensley might read this story and get an idea how she can deal with Justin Vacula at the wsc2 conference!?)
http://freethoughtblogs.com/taslima/201 ... -handsome/
I like Omar. Handsome men came from the UAE. So the Saudi authorities could deport them from Saudi Arabia. But what if some Saudi men are found too sexy and too handsome? Saudi authorities would not be able to deport them from their own country. In that case they should seriously think of forcing sexy men to wear burqas. All beautiful women wear burqas in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Society is now calm and quiet. If all beautiful men wear burqas, everybody will find tranquility they need. Ugly fat men can walk around freely. No one looks at them anyway. I tell you the truth why I like him so much. I like him for wearing eye-liner. His eye-liner has made him look so cute and yummy!
I dont mind Taslima. She speaks her mind. But she certainly doesn't follow the FTB social justice warrior script. And if Taslima, the most famous person who blogs at FTB, isn't required to follow the rules, then why should anyone else do so?
Wait, wait, wait. What if it turns out he has a small penis? Or does yummy-cute-based-of-eyeliner counteract probable-rapist-based-on-small-penis??

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And if Taslima, the most famous person who blogs at FTB, isn't required to follow the rules, then why should anyone else do so?
It boils down to the peculiar brand of politically correct power dynamics that is operative there. Nobody can really touch Taslima, even if secretly they're wishing they could bounce her ass off that blog (and some, I'm quite sure, do). Just imagine someone crossing her, how it would look for them. And so, in essence, she's got carte blanche to say pretty much whatever crosses her mind. If it's "edgy" people will just say, ooohh, she's being edgy, trying to stir the pot, trying to uproot factions of misogyny with controversy. And, to an extent, that might be true. I think her world more or less works like this:

1. Create controversy by whatever means possible.
2. Is there enough controversy around, me?
3. If yes, go to 2; if no, go to 1.

The result is FtB has a blogger who can openly insinuate that men with small penises are prone to rape.

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Skep tickle wrote:"one of his many sockpuppets", that is
Aha! The mask(s) slip(s).

So now we know that franc is able to inhabit multiple forms simultaneously. I always knew that cunt had something up his sleeve to avoid detection (apart from the trail of tobacco aroma he weaves like a magician around atheism conferences).

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