Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

#14641

Aneris wrote:Thats appalling and serious shit.

As much as I like Burzum's music (and I can listen to it just as I can listen to Wagner despite him being an equally-objectionable nutter), the moment Vikernes start's putting his political shite into it, I'd reconsider.

#14642

Southern wrote:
Submariner wrote:
Southern wrote:So, we may finally have a bona-fide Neo-Nazi on the Pit? That would cause PZ to have such an orgasm, his screams of pleasure would echo through all the globe.

So please DO NOT be a bona-fide Neo-Nazi. I don't want to hear that fatass's orgasmic chants.
Well, I'm a registered Republican, is that close enough for PZ??
On his cucko-head, it may be. But imagine his joy if he found a trully despicable Neo-Nazi here.

I'm sure there must be some Mao or Pol Pot fans lurking at the margins of the FTB/Skepchick/A+ universe.

#14643

Ericb wrote:
Southern wrote:
Submariner wrote:
Southern wrote:So, we may finally have a bona-fide Neo-Nazi on the Pit? That would cause PZ to have such an orgasm, his screams of pleasure would echo through all the globe.

So please DO NOT be a bona-fide Neo-Nazi. I don't want to hear that fatass's orgasmic chants.
Well, I'm a registered Republican, is that close enough for PZ??
On his cucko-head, it may be. But imagine his joy if he found a trully despicable Neo-Nazi here.

I'm sure there must be some Mao or Pol Pot fans lurking at the margins of the FTB/Skepchick/A+ universe.

A+ is filled with them. Bona-fide Maoists who claim that any reports of deaths caused by Mao is American Propaganda or something.

At the end of the day, the likes of Setar and Bhurzum are only distinguishable by the colour of the flag they'd be mass-murdering people under.

#14644

They also have several members of the Socialist-Rapers-Party (SWP) posting at A+ too.

#14645

Submariner wrote:
Southern wrote:So, we may finally have a bona-fide Neo-Nazi on the Pit? That would cause PZ to have such an orgasm, his screams of pleasure would echo through all the globe.

So please DO NOT be a bona-fide Neo-Nazi. I don't want to hear that fatass's orgasmic chants.
Well, I'm a registered Republican, is that close enough for PZ??

PZ's head just exploded!

#14646

Ericb wrote:
Southern wrote:
Submariner wrote:
Southern wrote:So, we may finally have a bona-fide Neo-Nazi on the Pit? That would cause PZ to have such an orgasm, his screams of pleasure would echo through all the globe.

So please DO NOT be a bona-fide Neo-Nazi. I don't want to hear that fatass's orgasmic chants.
Well, I'm a registered Republican, is that close enough for PZ??
On his cucko-head, it may be. But imagine his joy if he found a trully despicable Neo-Nazi here.

I'm sure there must be some Mao or Pol Pot fans lurking at the margins of the FTB/Skepchick/A+ universe.

Come on, that's bullshit. Not the suggestion itself, but the purpose of it. Their political makeup has no revelance here and is no excuse. People may think what they like, but as soon it materializes, we should act on it: call it out at the very least.

#14647

franc wrote:
Wonderist wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Well done Thaumas! You and your pals have managed to snooze the Pit to death.

;)
Wink accepted, but honestly, if some folks take the time to read some of the stuff posted, they may find that it 'wakes up' their minds and thoughts, rather than puts them to sleep. The fact that information is *real* and *exists* is one of those tragically under-appreciated wonders of our universe. It ties together many different areas of understanding. It connects philosophy, logic, and mathematics to science (especially physics), through probability theory and statistics. It connects applied science to technology, through engineering (esp. these days electronic engineering and software engineering). It provides a basis for understanding every about life (esp. humans) from DNA in the cells, to cognition in the brain, to the study of individual psychology, to collective sociology, to anthropology, archaeology, politics, art, modern media, and any and all ~~memetics~~culture. Along with the fundamental forces, it's the 'glue' of the universe. If that puts one to sleep, at least you'll have interesting dreams!
AKA - typhos. You always take an essay to do what could be said in one sentence. It's Mervyn Peake versus Bukowski.

Feel free to summarize that in a single sentence, franc. Not seeing any connection to typhos. If you'd elaborate more, use a few more words you'd get your point across more clearly to a wider audience. It's a delicate balance.

In fact, that balance is remarkably related to information theory: What is the most efficient way to communicate something? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_message_length Shorter is not always better, if it omits important points.

#14648

[youtube]-ukFAvYP3UU[/youtube]f

#14649

Aneris wrote:
Ericb wrote:
Southern wrote:
Submariner wrote:
Southern wrote:So, we may finally have a bona-fide Neo-Nazi on the Pit? That would cause PZ to have such an orgasm, his screams of pleasure would echo through all the globe.

So please DO NOT be a bona-fide Neo-Nazi. I don't want to hear that fatass's orgasmic chants.
Well, I'm a registered Republican, is that close enough for PZ??
On his cucko-head, it may be. But imagine his joy if he found a trully despicable Neo-Nazi here.

I'm sure there must be some Mao or Pol Pot fans lurking at the margins of the FTB/Skepchick/A+ universe.
Come on, that's bullshit. Not the suggestion itself, but the purpose of it. Their political makeup has no revelance here and is no excuse. People may think what they like, but as soon it materializes, we should act on it: call it out at the very least.

I always find it interesting how these 'revelations' and trolls suddenly pop up on cue. It is like they are providing ammunition just at the time it is needed. How convenient.

#14650

jjbinx007 wrote:Tf00t's new video was great BUT I really fucking wish he'd stop quoting Dawah films out of context.

Dawahfilms actually said:

"If you ever EVER try to awaken any sort of sleeping giant that is hostile to any Muslim or non-Muslim innocent person, as mandated in the Koran and the true interpretation of the Sharia that all true Muslims (and the majority of all Muslims in the world share) we Muslims, servants of Allah peace-be-upon-him, and our non-Muslim allies will send you to the God you wished you believed in".

Thunderf00t consistently quotemines Dawah to say only this:

"We Muslims, servants of Allah peace-be-upon-him, and our non-Muslim allies will send you to the God you wished you believed in".

Reading the whole quote it's clear Dawah was responding to a hypothetical perceived threat. The IF statement changes the meaning.

I think you might want to try unpacking his ... odd... caveats to the word 'innocent'.

#14651

sacha wrote:
lonesagi wrote:
sacha wrote:we are up to $330 US donated to Muttville.

http://gogetfunding.com/project/slymepi ... dog-rescue#

please keep the momentum going.

the dogs and I thank you.
Is there a set deadline? I won't be able to donate 'till after the weekend.
no, luv you have plenty of time.

how are the sweeties?

Doing good! They had tacos (well, a mini taco salad I guess) for the first time the other night. (Interestingly, they ate the lettuce and meat first, and didn't the shells and cheese until later. Must have been the seasoning, usually they aren't big on meat.)

#14652

Outwest wrote:
rayshul wrote:Not sure if it was posted yet - Thunderf00t on Carrier.

[youtube]95LG9crl3yo[/youtube]

I am not going to make any comments on Carrier's physical characteristics by the way, but I am struggling.
Carrier wonders why his video recieved so many downvotes? He lied. Anyone with any sense knew that. What was amazing to me was the applause he received while in the middle of telling lies. What does that say about AA? Hell, what does it say about AA for inviting a congenital liar?

I liked it until Tf00t Godwined. Even if the analogies are in some way valid; Nazi Germany comparisons are the last thing you should reach for when trying to sway the undecideds, because they're too easy to dismiss as hyperbole.

#14653

cunt wrote: That would be a really dumb idea. We're first past the post, the BNP have never actually had a single member of parliament.

What do you think the impact would be if they did manage to get a MP in?

It does not seem likely to me but what do I know? Last time I was in the UK was more than 20 years ago and I have never really kept in touch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Na ... arty[quote]
The BNP finished fifth in the 2008 London mayoral election with 5.2% of the vote, winning a seat in the London Assembly. In 2009 it won its first county council seats and two seats in the European Parliament, with leader Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons being elected as MEPs. Since Brons' 2012 resignation, Griffin is the BNP's only MEP.

During the 2010 General Election, the BNP received 1.9% of the vote and failed to win any seats. The party's current leader, Nick Griffin,[18] is a former national organiser of the National Front.[19][/quote]

#14654

katamari Damassi wrote:
Outwest wrote:
rayshul wrote:Not sure if it was posted yet - Thunderf00t on Carrier.

[youtube]95LG9crl3yo[/youtube]

I am not going to make any comments on Carrier's physical characteristics by the way, but I am struggling.
Carrier wonders why his video recieved so many downvotes? He lied. Anyone with any sense knew that. What was amazing to me was the applause he received while in the middle of telling lies. What does that say about AA? Hell, what does it say about AA for inviting a congenital liar?
I liked it until Tf00t Godwined. Even if the analogies are in some way valid; Nazi Germany comparisons are the last thing you should reach for when trying to sway the undecideds, because they're too easy to dismiss as hyperbole.

I think the reason he did it was because Carrier brought it up in his talk. He said he was accused of being Hitler and Stalin. tf00t was making the comparison. I didn't see anything wrong with that.

#14655

Southern wrote:So, we may finally have a bona-fide Neo-Nazi on the Pit? That would cause PZ to have such an orgasm, his screams of pleasure would echo through all the globe.

So please DO NOT be a bona-fide Neo-Nazi. I don't want to hear that fatass's orgasmic chants.

I for one could care less what PeeZuss Christ thinks. I am more interested in what Bhurzum thinks the BNP would achieve and why.

#14656

cunt wrote:
Git wrote:
cunt wrote:
The racist far-right in the UK are, to be frank, utterly irrelevant. A few hundred nutters, most of whom are in-and-out of prison most of the time
Absolute bollocks, there's thousands, hundreds of thousands. Though the point wasn't that they're large and a significant political force, it was that they were and are a fast-growing one and the left didn't want to pile onto islam for fear of giving them some legitimacy.

In the 2010 general the BNP got 563,743 votes, in 2005 they had 192,746. In 2001 they got 47,129. We're just lucky that the party leadership and its councillors are just as fucking stupid as the rank and file and voters.
It is worth pointing out that 563,743 votes is less than 2% out of a total of 29,687,604. In other words, the square root of fuck all. Meanwhile in France, the Fronte Nationale got 13.8% in the 2012 legislative elections, and the French Left and Right have both not been backwards in coming forwards to move against Islam. So the idea that " left didn't want to pile onto islam for fear of giving them some legitimacy" is hogwash, frankly. What it is however is a mixture of the bigotry of low expectations and a "enemy of my enemy is my friend" regarding the US.
Irrelevant when you're talking about the speed of growth and not total numbers. Also, it being a good reason for temporarily withholding some criticism of islam does not mean that it's the one and only true reason. A fair bit of it especially from extremely left wing groups like Respect is absolutely "enemy of my enemy" bullshit.

The 563,743 votes the BNP got is probably more an indicator that they fielded a record number of candidates in the last general election (338), rather than a sign of actual growth in support. Bear in mind that they didn't gain a single seat for all their efforts, and actually lost all their councillors in Barking (the constituency Nick Griffin contested) during the local elections held in the same year (2010). Overall, the BNP lost nearly half of its local councillors in the local elections.

They also didn't fare so well in the 2011 local elections either: In the 2011 local elections, the BNP fielded 268 candidates and defended 13 council seats. It lost 11 of these seats, including all 5 of their councillors in Stoke-on-Trent. Two councillors were re-elected, one in Queensbury, West Yorkshire, and the other in Charnwood, Leicestershire, but no new seats were gained

The only thing the BNP can really brag about when it comes to the last general election was that they were able to save a record 73 deposits. But that's about it. Hardly an indication of growth - at least not significant growth. If anything, I'd say it looks like these goons are going through a period of stagnation. Oh well. Guess they just shouldn't have fucked with the marmite. :lol:

(info courtesy of d'cesspit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party)

#14657

AndrewV69 wrote:
Southern wrote:So, we may finally have a bona-fide Neo-Nazi on the Pit? That would cause PZ to have such an orgasm, his screams of pleasure would echo through all the globe.

So please DO NOT be a bona-fide Neo-Nazi. I don't want to hear that fatass's orgasmic chants.
I for one could care less what PeeZuss Christ thinks. I am more interested in what Bhurzum thinks the BNP would achieve and why.

No! ... musn't... correct... syntax... no... I can't... stop it...

Surely you mean 'couldn't care less'?

SHIT!

#14658

BTW @Bhurzum - are you 'Tyrannical' from the old Richard Dawkins forum? Just curious, is all.

#14659

Aneris wrote:
Ericb wrote:
Southern wrote:
Submariner wrote:
Southern wrote:So, we may finally have a bona-fide Neo-Nazi on the Pit? That would cause PZ to have such an orgasm, his screams of pleasure would echo through all the globe.

So please DO NOT be a bona-fide Neo-Nazi. I don't want to hear that fatass's orgasmic chants.
Well, I'm a registered Republican, is that close enough for PZ??
On his cucko-head, it may be. But imagine his joy if he found a trully despicable Neo-Nazi here.

I'm sure there must be some Mao or Pol Pot fans lurking at the margins of the FTB/Skepchick/A+ universe.
Come on, that's bullshit. Not the suggestion itself, but the purpose of it. Their political makeup has no revelance here and is no excuse. People may think what they like, but as soon it materializes, we should act on it: call it out at the very least.

Just to be clear, my comment was meant meant to belittle critique of any extreme politics here but was meant in the spirit that even there was a Neo-Nazi on this board PZ is in no position to blather about it considering some of the nuts that surly infest his cybersphere.

#14660

Pitchguest wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote:
Southern wrote:So, we may finally have a bona-fide Neo-Nazi on the Pit? That would cause PZ to have such an orgasm, his screams of pleasure would echo through all the globe.

So please DO NOT be a bona-fide Neo-Nazi. I don't want to hear that fatass's orgasmic chants.
I for one could care less what PeeZuss Christ thinks. I am more interested in what Bhurzum thinks the BNP would achieve and why.
No! ... musn't... correct... syntax... no... I can't... stop it...

Surely you mean 'couldn't care less'?

SHIT!

"Could care less" is acceptable usage.

#14661

Pitchguest wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote:
Southern wrote:So, we may finally have a bona-fide Neo-Nazi on the Pit? That would cause PZ to have such an orgasm, his screams of pleasure would echo through all the globe.

So please DO NOT be a bona-fide Neo-Nazi. I don't want to hear that fatass's orgasmic chants.
I for one could care less what PeeZuss Christ thinks. I am more interested in what Bhurzum thinks the BNP would achieve and why.
No! ... musn't... correct... syntax... no... I can't... stop it...

Surely you mean 'couldn't care less'?

SHIT!

Well, I could go all Steersman on you and point out that it seems to me that either could work. However, we can agree that the former does imply that there is room before the floor is attained, whereas the latter leaves no doubt.

Nonetheless, your concern is noted. :lol:

#14662

Jack wrote:
I always find it interesting how these 'revelations' and trolls suddenly pop up on cue. It is like they are providing ammunition just at the time it is needed. How convenient.

Ok, so not being from the UK, I really don't know much about this topic. It DOES look like the people who do know about this topic called the guy out as soon as it was read, though. I don't see how this gains anyone any "points" due to his undisclosed (until now) affiliations (which were immediately decried).

#14663

Ugh let's try that again:

Just to be clear, my comment was not meant to belittle critique of any extreme politics here but was meant in the spirit that even there was a Neo-Nazi on this board PZ is in no position to blather about it considering some of the nuts that surly infest his cybersphere.

sorry

#14664

Metalogic42 wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote:
Southern wrote:So, we may finally have a bona-fide Neo-Nazi on the Pit? That would cause PZ to have such an orgasm, his screams of pleasure would echo through all the globe.

So please DO NOT be a bona-fide Neo-Nazi. I don't want to hear that fatass's orgasmic chants.
I for one could care less what PeeZuss Christ thinks. I am more interested in what Bhurzum thinks the BNP would achieve and why.
No! ... musn't... correct... syntax... no... I can't... stop it...

Surely you mean 'couldn't care less'?

SHIT!
"Could care less" is acceptable usage.

Not to me, and that's all that matters.
Still, I bet that it's impossible for you to experience even less concern or interest in my preference than you currently do.

#14665

To be honest with you Tigzy, I can't be fucked. It doesn't really matter if the lefts fears were entirely 100% justified for them to be a major factor.

#14666

Ericb wrote:Ugh let's try that again:

Just to be clear, my comment was not meant to belittle critique of any extreme politics here but was meant in the spirit that even there was a Neo-Nazi on this board PZ is in no position to blather about it considering some of the nuts that surly infest his cybersphere.

Like StevoR, who comes across as almost believing that dem muh-zlimz are about to pollute his precious bodily fluids.

#14667

cunt wrote:To be honest with you Tigzy, I can't be fucked. It doesn't really matter if the lefts fears were entirely 100% justified for them to be a major factor.

Well, I can accept your point on that. With the likes of th BNP, it's best not to be complacent. Never hurts to nip their bollocks in the bud, when it comes down to it.

#14668

Cunning Punt wrote:
Metalogic42 wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote:
Southern wrote:So, we may finally have a bona-fide Neo-Nazi on the Pit? That would cause PZ to have such an orgasm, his screams of pleasure would echo through all the globe.

So please DO NOT be a bona-fide Neo-Nazi. I don't want to hear that fatass's orgasmic chants.
I for one could care less what PeeZuss Christ thinks. I am more interested in what Bhurzum thinks the BNP would achieve and why.
No! ... musn't... correct... syntax... no... I can't... stop it...

Surely you mean 'couldn't care less'?

SHIT!
"Could care less" is acceptable usage.
Not to me, and that's all that matters.
Still, I bet that it's impossible for you to experience even less concern or interest in my preference than you currently do.

I see what you did there, but "could care less" is acceptable because it's moved into common parlance, and that's how words become acceptable (unless you're a dirty stinking prescriptivist).

#14669

Tigzy wrote:
cunt wrote:To be honest with you Tigzy, I can't be fucked. It doesn't really matter if the lefts fears were entirely 100% justified for them to be a major factor.
Well, I can accept your point on that. With the likes of th BNP, it's best not to be complacent. Never hurts to nip their bollocks in the bud, when it comes down to it.

Fortunately, they're almost always so incompetent enough to nip their own bollocks in the bud, as it were.

And now I'm wondering if that is a fetlife fetish...

#14670

The BNP did win two seats in the European Parliament though I don't know enough about the processes of the EU government to consider whether that is pathetic or frightening.

#14671

@Git - I admit, I lulzed at the BNP's marmite fiasco during the last general election. There was something so incompetently 'Roderick Spode-ish' about it all that...well, I guess I'm just easily amused that way.

#14672

Pitchguest wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote:
Southern wrote:So, we may finally have a bona-fide Neo-Nazi on the Pit? That would cause PZ to have such an orgasm, his screams of pleasure would echo through all the globe.

So please DO NOT be a bona-fide Neo-Nazi. I don't want to hear that fatass's orgasmic chants.
I for one could care less what PeeZuss Christ thinks. I am more interested in what Bhurzum thinks the BNP would achieve and why.
No! ... musn't... correct... syntax... no... I can't... stop it...

Surely you mean 'couldn't care less'?

SHIT!

I have always emphasised the phrase to make it sound sarcastic myself. e.g. "There is utterly no way I could actually care less you worm."
http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/language ... 01207.html
but apparently it isn't so.
http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/langua ... 01182.html

#14673

Tigzy wrote:
Ericb wrote:Ugh let's try that again:

Just to be clear, my comment was not meant to belittle critique of any extreme politics here but was meant in the spirit that even there was a Neo-Nazi on this board PZ is in no position to blather about it considering some of the nuts that surly infest his cybersphere.
Like StevoR, who comes across as almost believing that dem muh-zlimz are about to pollute his precious bodily fluids.

I recall reading the muslim forum Islamic Awakening where an Islamophobe called Steersman used to post anti-Islam stuff.
Coincidence or is it the same Steersman that posts here?

#14674

Tigzy wrote:@Git - I admit, I lulzed at the BNP's marmite fiasco during the last general election. There was something so incompetently 'Roderick Spode-ish' about it all that...well, I guess I'm just easily amused that way.

Oho! Then I am sure you will appreciate this:

[youtube]sgvAzKO00Pw[/youtube]

And the first to complain is going to smacked with Andrea Wirth and/or Nana Mouskouri. I dare ya! I double dare ya! Make my day.

#14675

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Well done Thaumas! You and your pals have managed to snooze the Pit to death.

;)

hahaha!

#14676

MRA evenings seem...fun.

#14677

Fuck "Islamophobia" btw.

#14678

free thoughtpolice wrote:
Tigzy wrote:
Ericb wrote:Ugh let's try that again:

Just to be clear, my comment was not meant to belittle critique of any extreme politics here but was meant in the spirit that even there was a Neo-Nazi on this board PZ is in no position to blather about it considering some of the nuts that surly infest his cybersphere.
Like StevoR, who comes across as almost believing that dem muh-zlimz are about to pollute his precious bodily fluids.
I recall reading the muslim forum Islamic Awakening where an Islamophobe called Steersman used to post anti-Islam stuff.
Coincidence or is it the same Steersman that posts here?

Same fellow.

But as there wasnâ€™t much context to your comment Iâ€™m wondering what you mean by â€œIslamaphobeâ€. If you mean some sort of gut-level racist reaction then I would disagree. If you mean some serious apprehension about the directions and values of Islam then it might have more applicability.

If you havenâ€™t yet read Ibn Warraqâ€™s Why I Am Not a Muslim then I would highly recommend it â€“ the link takes you to an almost complete on-line version of it; unfortunately the section on Islam in the West, particularly in Britain, is not. But he argues, rather conclusively, that Islam really is entirely antithetical to democracy, and I have suggested if not argued, if with maybe questionable justification, that no Muslims should be permitted into Western countries unless they renounce and repudiate their religion.

As a further recommendation, you could also take a look at Irshad Manji's The Trouble with Islam Today; I think she errs in thinking that it is just "today" as I think there are intrinsic features that make the case that it is "always", but I think her perspectives as a gay Muslim woman are well worth considering.

#14679

Meh. It's too easy to call BNP 'neo-nazis'. Fascists, maybe. Nazis? Not so much, no.

In order to call someone a national-socialist, they must adhere to the following:

- Social-darwinism (i.e. state-mandated eugenics murdering mentally and physically handicapped people)
- A reversal of _all_ women-rights ('kinder, kÃ¼che, kirche' / children, kitchen, church)
- Land reform (state-led expropriation of large swathes of land to be used in a planned economy)
- Mass murder of all jews
- Forced deportation and/or incarceration of all people of colour/gays/romani
- An end to democracy and an implementation of a massively strong central state-power with ultimate power residing with one figurehead ('fÃ¼hrer')

I rather doubt Bhurzum is in favour of these issues. My guess is that most BNP-members are so because they dislike the increased muslim presence in their local neighbourhood. But then again, I don't know the man. Maybe he wanks off to images of Hitler every night while making fan-art of Himmler/Goebbels getting it on with Eva Braun.

#14680

[youtube]NtYfHW5wu8Q[/youtube]

#14681

Metalogic42 wrote:
Cunning Punt wrote:
Metalogic42 wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote: I for one could care less what PeeZuss Christ thinks. I am more interested in what Bhurzum thinks the BNP would achieve and why.
No! ... musn't... correct... syntax... no... I can't... stop it...

Surely you mean 'couldn't care less'?

SHIT!
"Could care less" is acceptable usage.
Not to me, and that's all that matters.
Still, I bet that it's impossible for you to experience even less concern or interest in my preference than you currently do.
I see what you did there, but "could care less" is acceptable because it's moved into common parlance, and that's how words become acceptable (unless you're a dirty stinking prescriptivist).

Yeah, well somebody should change that :angry-argument:

#14682

[youtube]9x70bndpc70[/youtube]

#14683

Steersman; Just ribbing you.
I'm familiar with both those authors and other critics of Islam, as well as a fair amount of the Quran and the hadiths.
My take on Islam pretty much squares up with Hitchens and Harris, in other words not a big fan.

#14684

Oh and about the thread"Calling all muslims to east London today", I was the one (abear) who first notified Maryam Namazie and subsequently Anne Marie Waters that the idiot Muslim that disrupted the meeting outed himself on that thread on IA.

#14685

Cunning Punt wrote: Yeah, well somebody should change that :angry-argument:

Yeah, and while we're at it, we should stop using words like "telephone", "internet", and "modem", which were shamelessly invented out of thin air. We should also stop turning nouns into verbs. Let us resolve to shoulder the blame for the poor state English is in. We need to focus on purifying our language. So let's stop skating around, and stop aplussing the situation so much.

#14686

free thoughtpolice wrote:Steersman; Just ribbing you.
I'm familiar with both those authors and other critics of Islam, as well as a fair amount of the Quran and the hadiths.
My take on Islam pretty much squares up with Hitchens and Harris, in other words not a big fan.

Thanks for the â€œheads-upâ€; Iâ€™ll keep that in mind. :-)

Part of the difficulty with on-line discussions â€“ something that that Open Letter touched on, I think â€“ nuance and context frequently get lost or arenâ€™t readily available; tends to cause all sorts of people to go off the rails rather quickly, EBW and â€œdarkiesâ€ may be a case in point â€¦. And, not to put too fine a point on it, which suggests some benefits to smilies â€¦ ;-)

#14687

Git wrote:[youtube]9x70bndpc70[/youtube]

That was one of the funniest shows ever. I have it on DVD.

#14688

free thoughtpolice wrote:Oh and about the thread "Calling all muslims to east London today", I was the one (abear) who first notified Maryam Namazie and subsequently Anne Marie Waters that the idiot Muslim that disrupted the meeting outed himself on that thread on IA.

Interesting. I followed some of that discussion but had periodically wondered what the final resolutions had been.

But it seems like thereâ€™s some serious pushback coming down the pike; although my impression is that the French have, credibly and justifiably, been the ones to kick various Muslims out of the country. One of my arguments on IA was that the history of mass expulsions of various groups who donâ€™t buy into the prevailing set of values should be causing many Muslims to be much more circumspect about their demands â€¦.

#14689

free thoughtpolice wrote:Steersman; Just ribbing you.
I'm familiar with both those authors and other critics of Islam, as well as a fair amount of the Quran and the hadiths.
My take on Islam pretty much squares up with Hitchens and Harris, in other words not a big fan.

Ah fair enough. Ironic use of the term then.

My ironydar is obviously not working today.

#14690

Pitchguest wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote:
Southern wrote:So, we may finally have a bona-fide Neo-Nazi on the Pit? That would cause PZ to have such an orgasm, his screams of pleasure would echo through all the globe.

So please DO NOT be a bona-fide Neo-Nazi. I don't want to hear that fatass's orgasmic chants.
I for one could care less what PeeZuss Christ thinks. I am more interested in what Bhurzum thinks the BNP would achieve and why.
No! ... musn't... correct... syntax... no... I can't... stop it...

Surely you mean 'couldn't care less'?

SHIT!

That winds me up too.

[youtube]om7O0MFkmpw[/youtube]

#14691

Steersman wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:Oh and about the thread "Calling all muslims to east London today", I was the one (abear) who first notified Maryam Namazie and subsequently Anne Marie Waters that the idiot Muslim that disrupted the meeting outed himself on that thread on IA.
Interesting. I followed some of that discussion but had periodically wondered what the final resolutions had been.

But it seems like thereâ€™s some serious pushback coming down the pike; although my impression is that the French have, credibly and justifiably, been the ones to kick various Muslims out of the country. One of my arguments on IA was that the history of mass expulsions of various groups who donâ€™t buy into the prevailing set of values should be causing many Muslims to be much more circumspect about their demands â€¦.

I gather that the police were notified that "Abu Maryam" (pretty sure not M Namazie's father) was likely the idiot that ran masked through the meeting, taking pictures and threatening people. I don't think he was charged with anything but there was some pretty fast backpedalling of rhetoric and disavowal of the incident at IA for a while after that. Also, Abu Maryam, who was a regular poster there made himself scarce for a while after that incident.

#14692

Submariner wrote:
Jack wrote:
I always find it interesting how these 'revelations' and trolls suddenly pop up on cue. It is like they are providing ammunition just at the time it is needed. How convenient.
Ok, so not being from the UK, I really don't know much about this topic. It DOES look like the people who do know about this topic called the guy out as soon as it was read, though. I don't see how this gains anyone any "points" due to his undisclosed (until now) affiliations (which were immediately decried).

It did not stop Nugent picking on a troll picture and PMZ for that matter as an indicator of the Slympit in general. They do not convince anyone except their own followers but people like Carrier use it to smoke screen their actual objectives. It was fundamental to his recent speech and fundamentally unskeptical at best and dishonest at worst. The same as Christians need the Devil and immorality as an enemy they need us and I find the timing suspicious.

#14693

I could care less...but I don't.

#14694

AndrewV69 wrote:
Garlic wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote: <snip>
You guys have seen by now the other studies I have mentioned on the subject at least twice by now. So I will just list a couple of the latest ones I am aware of:

Negative stereotypes about boys hinder their academic achievement
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 020513.php
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 9/abstract

Non-cognitive Skills and the Gender Disparities in Test Scores and Teacher Assessments:
Evidence from Primary School
http://www.terry.uga.edu/~cornwl/resear ... rdiffs.pdf
Wait... so now we agree that stereotype threat is real? :think:
I do not recall arguing to the contrary the last time it came up. As a matter of fact I do not recall saying anything about the subject at all.

I suppose I could have mentioned this though:

Study shows gender bias in science is real. Hereâ€™s why it matters.
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/uno ... ers/[quote]
Results found that the â€œfemaleâ€ applicants were rated significantly lower than the â€œmalesâ€ in competence, hireability, and whether the scientist would be willing to mentor the student.
...
Both male and female scientists were equally guilty of committing the gender bias. Yes â€“ women can behave in ways that are sexist, too. Women need to examine their attitudes and actions toward women just as much as men do. What this suggests is that the biases likely did not arise from overt misogyny but were rather a manifestation of subtler prejudices internalized from societal stereotypes.

Here is the study:

Science facultyâ€™s subtle gender biases favor male students
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/ ... 6109#aff-1

Just because you do not like something does not mean it may not be true. *shrug* YMMV[/quote]
I read a few bits and pieces in those other studies, and no doubt invalid discrimination takes place. But I have to wonder if â€œnegative stereotypes about boys hinder their academic achievementâ€ then why is it that â€œgender biases favour male studentsâ€ and male job applicants? Maybe there is in fact simply an â€œin-group morality; out-group hostilityâ€ value system in play, but it seems that other more credible factors might be having some influence on the valuations in that SA study, even if the hypothetical individual women in that study were unfairly judged.

Interesting phenomenon though, and it seems related to questions of different insurance rates for different demographics: judging not on individual attributes but on the behaviours of the group, and the probabilities that the individual will conform to "type".

#14695

rayshul wrote:Not sure if it was posted yet - Thunderf00t on Carrier.

[youtube]95LG9crl3yo[/youtube]

I am not going to make any comments on Carrier's physical characteristics by the way, but I am struggling.

Carrier is a demagogue with the charisma of dentist's drill. And a demagogue without charisma is like a pianist without fingers. So I don't think we have to worry much about this lilliput Trotsky.

(And Thunderf00t used my Stalin cartoon. Yay. Fame at last.)

#14696

Jack wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote:
Southern wrote:So, we may finally have a bona-fide Neo-Nazi on the Pit? That would cause PZ to have such an orgasm, his screams of pleasure would echo through all the globe.

So please DO NOT be a bona-fide Neo-Nazi. I don't want to hear that fatass's orgasmic chants.
I for one could care less what PeeZuss Christ thinks. I am more interested in what Bhurzum thinks the BNP would achieve and why.
No! ... musn't... correct... syntax... no... I can't... stop it...

Surely you mean 'couldn't care less'?

SHIT!
That winds me up too.

om7O0MFkmpw

Loved the soapbox video and it convinced me. The argument that the "could care less" phrase is common and therefore acceptable I don't buy because it isn't common in all of the english speaking world. It's also wrong as Mitchel points out in the vid. The proper form is "I don't care what PZ thinks" Universal, clear, doesn't require any unpacking, and definitely true. If it were just an awkward phrase or expletive that wasn't universal I wouldn't mind, but it's wrong... I imagine you are trying to say you don't care, then why say you could care less? It doesn't make sense.

#14697

Jack wrote: It did not stop Nugent picking on a troll picture and PMZ for that matter as an indicator of the Slympit in general. They do not convince anyone except their own followers but people like Carrier use it to smoke screen their actual objectives. It was fundamental to his recent speech and fundamentally unskeptical at best and dishonest at worst. The same as Christians need the Devil and immorality as an enemy they need us and I find the timing suspicious.

True enough. Although I checked his join date and 4 months is a long time to set up a minor "gotcha moment". I might read through his other posts in this new light.

#14698

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Well done Thaumas! You and your pals have managed to snooze the Pit to death.

;)

Here you go Phil. Miles better than unhealthy popcorn.
http://www.porkscratchingworld.com/Grap ... goleft.gif http://www.porkscratchingworld.com/Graphics/LogoPig.gif http://www.porkscratchingworld.com/Grap ... oRight.gif

Of course like with football and atheism, the posh kids have decided to expropriate their oppressors, the plebes.
So they're giving away the guild secrets of the Ages for nowt.
http://lukehoney.typepad.com/the_greasy ... -cold.html
http://justcookit.blogspot.co.uk/2009/0 ... t-one.html

But as you can see it's pretty much your standard Mrs Beeton ("Firstly, skin a large pig, and kill it to death. Twice.")
Shouldn't nonpluss a true Frenchman for longer than it takes to find a sharp knife and the correct oil.

#14699

franc wrote:[img]"Aaagh![/img]

What the fuck is that, on the wall? Trigger warning required!

#14700

Sorry folks, had a small scale emergency to deal with: Two daughters in their teens, so many first world problems and so little time.

Where was I?

Ah yes, first things first...

My net-name: As I've "argued" with several theists (on YT) is a reference to the works of Tolkien. "Burzum" means "darkness" in the Orcish tongue, google the inscription on the "one" ring if you require proof. "Bhurzum" has been my net-name for years because "Burzum" (the correct spelling) has been co-opted by assorted fuckwits from the "black metal" fraternity. Indeed, I was blissfully unaware of the band until a theist (falsely) made the same accusation/connection that has been repeated here. I've checked out their music, it's crap. Sorry to burst that particular bubble. Anyway, all that remains if for one (or more) of you to highlight the fact that Tolkien was catholic before making that (false) accusation/connection.

Are we clear on that?

My political view(s): Pretty straight forward really. I strongly agree with two* elements of BNP policy: Immigration control and national service.

I'm not a "nazi" (it would be funny if it wasn't such a pathetic accusation), far from it! I'm ex-Army (22 years completed) and as such, I've devoted a considerable portion of my adult life to the spread of democracy. The first Gulf war, Bosnia (IFOR & SFOR), Kosovo, Iraq (several OP TELIC tours under my belt) and a few other "bits and pieces" that I'll not go into. Basically, I served my country, sacrificed a number of basic "rights" that you guys enjoy on a day-to-day basis and have come out the other end. It ruined my marriage (long tours tend to do that!), alienated me from my family and if I'm to be completely honest, turned me pretty sour at the end of my service.

So, what's all that got to do with the BNP?

I've seen the state of Islamic countries, I've worked in the dirt with civilians and military alike and don't like the way it's spreading to the West. Islamic (Sharia) law is oppressive, places a stranglehold on any society it touches and is utterly incompatible with western values and standards. Having said that, I like to think that I'm flogging a dead horse by saying all this. Hopefully you understand where I'm coming from. If you disagree, that's fine. No biggie, we're in a democracy and you have my full support. Have at it! But please, calling me a "nazi" is just...pathetic.

Note: I don't "hate" any one group or nationality because of my political leanings or upbringing. I don't "hate" any one group or nationality at all. I don't give one squirt of piss what colour your skin is, where you're from or what you believe in. However, I reserve the right to (peacefully!) protest your activities if they have a negative effect on my family, my home or my way of life. Likewise, I reserve the right to use the ballot box as a form of protest when I see fat cunt politicians lining their pockets as our country is ground into the dirt.

National service: A good thing if you ask me. The youth of today would greatly benefit from a burst of discipline and steady instruction.

Note: like everything/anything in politics, there are pro's and con's.

Bottom line: I'm tired, stressed out from dealing with my eldest kid and her shenanigans. I'm pretty far removed from "blogger" material (pig-thick squaddie and all that) but hopefully this has served a purpose. My written English is pretty flaky to say the least (I'm Scottish, what do you expect!) but I like to think this might shed some light on my views.

Over to you guys for a (predictable) game of word-twister.

* The other parties don't touch these issues or barely scratch the surface.