Bunkspubble!

[16bitheretic]

As someone who plays shooters online. I can tell you I have a hard time telling "female sounding" from "pre-pubescent boy" in some cases, though the actual words used often help differentiate. I didn't play much Halo-3, but I will say when Halo2 was new, the latter category was more prevalent than the former. Either way, the voice can be associated with a n00b, and n00bs get bullied and shit talked more than vets, this is true in every case. So when women start entering the gaming world, there is a (correct) feeling that an unknown female/squeeky voice is probably a newbie. I don't harrass newbies, but I certainly see it happen a lot. Honestly, the most common bullshit I hear is getting called a "nigger" for some reason by someone with a bit of a southern accent.

I will also comment, I used to play WoW for a while, and the women/girls in the guilds I was a part of were typically treated better than the guys, as long as they could do their job. Women who could not do their job, were often part of raids due to relationships with guild leaders, and that led to resentment and bullshit, but it had to do with them sucking at their job, not their gender.

I've never played any MMOs, but I did play some halo 2 matches on my brother's Xbox and I can say that there were some jackasses who got really nasty with the verbal insults when they heard me on the headset and realized I was a girl. However, I don't paint that as anything stemming from some system wide misogyny, I recognize that these people are just fuckheads in general and if they thought I was black they'd probably call me a nigger, if they thought I was Mexican they'd probably call me a beaner, and if they realized I'm Asian-American ethnicity they'd probably call me a chink or say I'm fresh off the boat or something. Trolls will use ANYTHING to piss off and offend their target and personal attributes are the simplest and easiest way to get under the skin of someone you've decided to taunt or bully.

All in all though the ratio of jackasses to well behaved Halo 2 players was much lower than people like Anita Sarkeesian and all the others who want to paint all gamers as basement dwelling misogynistic, racist creeps would have you believe. I think some of the situation also really depends on the types of games you play. I know alot of the other girls and women I've encountered who play games do play alot of MMO type and fantasy role play games where things are more cooperative. I don't use headsets very often if I play games, but with stuff like the Borderlands games, where everyone operates as a team, I've never had any assholes torment me. The times I have encountered gendered insults and attacks were all in competitive type games where as I said before I don't think the people really truly hated women, they just found the quickest way to piss me off and insult based on the sole attribute about me that they had knowledge of.

[Cunning Punt]

I think most things are alive when you kill them.

It would seem to be impossible to kill them otherwise.

http://i.imgur.com/BQbija2.jpg

[Zenspace]

On the way into work today, there was a few crazies on the morning talkshow i listen to. The topic, well, i'm not sure what the topic was, other than "the interwebz are ebil, ppl are misusing the interwebz!", i never did get the memo as to the defined purpose of the internet. It's almost as if a section of society has recently stumbled upon it, and thinks it belongs to someone, and therefore have a purpose, and if it doesn't have a purpose they damn well are going to ensure it does have one, that one being, the purpose they want it to serve.

Fuckwits.

Back to the story; one person was recounting the horrific tale of what happened to her. She had been on a networking site, fell in love with a guy, and he turned out to be a she. As in it was a girl pretending to be a male on the site.

Oh! The Horror! Her world fell apart "the only way i can describe it, is as being raped, except for the physical part, it is exactly like that"..... Seriously, she said that. Some people should be advised by their shrinks to not go out their door.

Second nutter chirps in; " it's about time the police did something about fake profiles on internet sites, they are really damaging to people"..... At this stage the reasonable part of my brain is telling me to change the fucking channel, the masochist in me persists though, as i must punish myself, more! More!

The host attempted to inject some semblance of sanity; "surely that would be too much for our already overstretched law enforcement".... You what!? You fucking dingbat! How the fuck did you get a job hosting a radio show! Should you not be challenging the fucking premise!!!

Arrived in work, with my prejudice that the human race is 90% stupid fucks reinforced. Ahhh i love my morning drives.

One of my personal axioms: the larger the group of people, the greater its resemblance to a collective of squabbling monkeys.

[welch]

ERV'S post reminds of a situation I had in the military. I had over 40 people working for me and one day an Airman came to me and said, "All the people here hate me because I'm black". I replied that I took these situations seriously and would deal with it immediately if true. Then I asked him if when he said "all" he meant ALL. He answered yes. But, I said, 22 of these people are black, how can they hate you because you're black? It seems the black people hated him because he wasn't black enough (which can happen, but I didn't see it).

Now, the real reason people didn't like him (I don't think anyone "hated" him), IMO, was that he was a total asshole and was emotionally and mentally unstable. He basically annoyed the shit out of everyone. But in his mind it couldn't be that. For the women in the atheist movement that think that everyone hates them because they are a woman: First, I don't think anyone really hates you, despise, yes, annoyed by you, yes, wish you'd take a hike, yes. Hate, no. Second: You're disliked because of what you do and how you do it, and your personality. It has nothing to do with your sex (as far as I've seen). Let me give you a hint about life, not everyone is going to like you. Deal with it. Calling someone a chill girl or gender traitor because they disagree with you is warped thinking at best.

If someone calls you an asshole, consider they may be correct. I'm not saying they ALWAYS are, but if a lot of people are calling you an asshole, allow for the possibility that they're not wrong. You may in fact be, an asshole.

[16bitheretic]

I think most things are alive when you kill them.

It would seem to be impossible to kill them otherwise.

http://i.imgur.com/BQbija2.jpg

LOL, the lobster thing reminds me of this meme which made the rounds a couple years ago:

http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u58 ... 8fc497.jpg

[Apples]

Heh - wind has re-energized the Batshit Insane Moderators thread.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... start=1900

On the contrary, cipher, wind showed the rest of you up to be liars. Or was there no secret forum that you denied existed?

Oh, there was? Aw shucks. :roll:

Hyperdeath confirms that wind was telling the truth (making Flewellyn look like the punitive gaslighting dishonest prick that he is) ... Cipher excuses her own full-of-shitness by stating that she wasn't talking to Hyperdeath ... and wind gets banned from Forum Matters (as was mood2, if I recall correctly - for defending wind). So... if you have a complaint about the A+ SJ Police and it turns out to be legit ... you'll probably be banned from the mods complaint office, which makes perfect sense, since that's where you're told to go with complaints about the mods.

[Zenspace]

Question:
If what we are dealing with in skepticism is genuine misogyny, why are some women targets, and some are not? Misogyny is the hatred of *women* and yet Watson is a target, while I am not*. Ive never gotten any irl, email, blog comment, or YouTube comment that I would classify as 'misogynistic', in +6 years (granted I have fewer YouTube talks up than Watson, but mine have more views), certainly not from anyone I know is an atheist/skeptic.

Why?

Genuine question for those who think misogyny is 'rampant' in skepticism.

*Maybe* its *not* misogyny?

*Maybe* it has something to do with individuals and their behaviors/personalities, and nothing to do with females in general?




* Lets ignore the fact that Im the one who the self-proclaimed feminists try to get fired from all avenues of employment. FEMINISM!

As one of the most vilified women in the community, I urge you to drop a line at Neurologica Blog, Abbie.

Agreed. Worded exactly as you did above, because that comment really says it all. Your call, of course, but I would love to see the reaction over there. :popcorn:

[Metalogic42]

Because she doesn't give one single fuck about the nightmare she caused for people here with her actions, because it's all about wind, and when it's not about wind, it should be.

The nightmare! It was so tragic, the way wind....did what, exactly? Well whatever it was, we can be assured that it was worse than being kidnapped and murdered. Now the A+ secret forum members will need years of therapy.

[Gumby]

It's a fucking shame the leaders of skeptic and atheist organizations care more about selling tickets to conventions than actually supplying interesting and knowledgeable speakers. When it comes to dumbing-down and degrading the A/S conference scene, they are as guilty as PZ and his gang of alcoholic money-grubbing attention whores.

Here's an idea: how about they make atheist/skeptic conferences about atheism/skepticism using atheist/skeptic speakers and whoever the fuck shows up, shows up.

That would be absolutely the thing to do. But I have some doubts as to whether that will actually happen. American conferences (the larger ones) seem to have largely degenerated into purely social events, with the presentations not given much weight. Hence the popularity at these cons of intellectual lightweights like Spuds "Party Animal" McMyers and his dimwitted harem of drunken radfems. I think things will get worse before they get better.

[Pitchguest]

Heh - wind has re-energized the Batshit Insane Moderators thread.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... start=1900

On the contrary, cipher, wind showed the rest of you up to be liars. Or was there no secret forum that you denied existed?

Oh, there was? Aw shucks. :roll:

Hyperdeath confirms that wind was telling the truth (making Flewellyn look like the punitive gaslighting dishonest prick that he is) ... Cipher excuses her own full-of-shitness by stating that she wasn't talking to Hyperdeath ... and wind gets banned from Forum Matters (as was mood2, if I recall correctly - for defending wind). So... if you have a complaint about the A+ SJ Police and it turns out to be legit ... you'll probably be banned from the mods complaint office, which makes perfect sense, since that's where you're told to go with complaints about the mods.

Ripping off a scab and squeezing out fresh blood, I think we need another dramatic reading. Rocko, you game?

[Zenspace]

As one of the most vilified women in the community, I urge you to drop a line at Neurologica Blog, Abbie.

Why? Steven Novella is a misogynist.

Arent we told that exclusion is part of the rampant misogyny in atheism? Excluding female skeptics from "Best atheists authors!" "Best atheist bloggers" "Best atheist podcasts" lists is sexist? Excluding females from speaker line-ups at conferences is sexist (except when Phil Plait does it)? Exclusion is one way the patriarchy keeps women down.

Thus Novella utilized the oppressive tool of exclusion when he covered the XMRV fiasco. His post went up long after my role in the XMRV-CFS take-down was complete-- so long after it was even after my role/blog was referenced in a peer-reviewed journal article, written by one of The Top Dogs in virology. And yet, despite the fact a female atheist/skeptic/blogger brought down that monster, Novella managed to exclude referencing me or my role, in any way/shape/form.

It cannot be due to ignorance or laziness (remember, those arent excuses for excluding good female writers/speakers!). It certainly is nothing personal with me, not that I slapped down his show co-host (its never personal, its always misogyny!).

We arent supposed to interact with misogynists, we are supposed to drum them out of the movement, rite?


Whatever, this experiment I wanted to work this morning didnt so Im in a bad mood.

Very bad show by Novella there.
For those who didn't follow the story, Abbie was involved in exposing a huge scientific fraud a couple of years ago, that involved a paper in Science from a group working on a (fake?) virus called XMRV. There was some great detective work involved and a fantastic gotcha moment when a picture from the paper was revealed to be faked. It was a brilliant piece of scientific skepticism and provokedthe journal Science into forcing a retraction of the paper.
In any other circumstances this would have been the story of the year in the skeptical community. But because it involved ERV it was purposefully ignored by skeptics rather than risk provoking the VIPs of skepticism.

Thanks for that background. Still being fairly new to all this I am not privy to a lot of the history, which is actually quite relevant. Looks like I've got some links to read later.

[Gumby]

Lsuoma, can you also respond to this stupid comment?

Fuck you all up the council.

You know you have to explain this for the Septics.

Really, we "septics" are not all that fascinated with every little colloquialism that comes from across the pond, despite what some here apparently think.

http://mspedagogy.files.wordpress.com/2 ... .jpg?w=272

[Remick]

Because she doesn't give one single fuck about the nightmare she caused for people here with her actions, because it's all about wind, and when it's not about wind, it should be.

The nightmare! It was so tragic, the way wind....did what, exactly? Well whatever it was, we can be assured that it was worse than being kidnapped and murdered. Now the A+ secret forum members will need years of therapy.

Ugh, I wish I could still post there, even if it would immediately result in me being banned again.

BTW, I emailed the forum admin address there to see if there is anyway to contest a permanent banning. Several times. I also emailed hyperdeath to ask the same question, no response in over 2 weeks. I suppose they want to force me to make a sock in order to PM someone so they can then ban me for socking.

[JackSkeptic]

Because she doesn't give one single fuck about the nightmare she caused for people here with her actions, because it's all about wind, and when it's not about wind, it should be.

The nightmare! It was so tragic, the way wind....did what, exactly? Well whatever it was, we can be assured that it was worse than being kidnapped and murdered. Now the A+ secret forum members will need years of therapy.

Ugh, I wish I could still post there, even if it would immediately result in me being banned again.

BTW, I emailed the forum admin address there to see if there is anyway to contest a permanent banning. Several times. I also emailed hyperdeath to ask the same question, no response in over 2 weeks. I suppose they want to force me to make a sock in order to PM someone so they can then ban me for socking.

The easiest way to be banned is say something that is true or presents a decent argument not in their favour. Wind only survived as they wanted information from him. It would have been churlish to ban after that so they simply banned him from the very forums he successfully called them out on. Stalin would be proud of them. I would be banned in minutes even though my post would not be trollish. They do not want atheists like me. They want us marginalised, the very thing they pretend to fight against.

There's a word for people like that. Wankers.

[Submariner]

They don't want atheists like me either. Cis-male, white, middle-aged, hetero, middle class, former military, economically conservative, and socially centrist.
The only thing I have going for me is I'm kinda ugly.

[free thoughtpolice]

That's a hell of a scam Ophelia Benson has going on.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/.
Boo hoo some evil misogynists are ridiculing poor me on twitter.
Anthony k. showing why he was formerly known as Brownnoser, replies " Have no fear fair maiden we'll send you money to punish those rakes".
Ophie should teach a course to psychics and other grifters on how to seperate fools from their money.

[JackSkeptic]

They don't want atheists like me either. Cis-male, white, middle-aged, hetero, middle class, former military, economically conservative, and socially centrist.
The only thing I have going for me is I'm kinda ugly.

Maybe we should make a 'safe space' for us uglys. We could do it under the 'Abelist' meme. Other people are more able to pull than we are.

[Submariner]

They don't want atheists like me either. Cis-male, white, middle-aged, hetero, middle class, former military, economically conservative, and socially centrist.
The only thing I have going for me is I'm kinda ugly.

Maybe we should make a 'safe space' for us uglys. We could do it under the 'Abelist' meme. Other people are more able to pull than we are.

"That's a good looking post you made there, Jack....ummm" :doh:

[Remick]

Because she doesn't give one single fuck about the nightmare she caused for people here with her actions, because it's all about wind, and when it's not about wind, it should be.

The nightmare! It was so tragic, the way wind....did what, exactly? Well whatever it was, we can be assured that it was worse than being kidnapped and murdered. Now the A+ secret forum members will need years of therapy.

Ugh, I wish I could still post there, even if it would immediately result in me being banned again.

BTW, I emailed the forum admin address there to see if there is anyway to contest a permanent banning. Several times. I also emailed hyperdeath to ask the same question, no response in over 2 weeks. I suppose they want to force me to make a sock in order to PM someone so they can then ban me for socking.

The easiest way to be banned is say something that is true or presents a decent argument not in their favour. Wind only survived as they wanted information from him. It would have been churlish to ban after that so they simply banned him from the very forums he successfully called them out on. Stalin would be proud of them. I would be banned in minutes even though my post would not be trollish. They do not want atheists like me. They want us marginalised, the very thing they pretend to fight against.

There's a word for people like that. Wankers.

I am aware. I posted there for a while.

[AndrewV69]

I worked in a warehouse many years ago with about 30 people. I was one of the few whites and I got no racist abuse at all (except some joking around which I did not care about) But the Jamaicans and West Africans were extremely racially abusive to each other and it was also a skin tone thing. The management couldn't do anything as they were scared of being called racist.

I am not really surprised that you reported that those two groups did not get along. I can believe that sparks would fly.

In my experience, Jamaicans seem to have some sort of inherent assumption that they are superior to anyone else in the world (for some reason a lot of other West Indians appear to dislike them intensely). Africans on the other hand, appear to look down on West Indians as inferior due to not only being the descendants of slaves, but also mixed race.

Both of those groups however, appear to agree that Black Americans on the whole are worthless.

Did you have any Black Americans in the mix? Then chances are it would have been a three way mix of mutual lothing and contempt. Black Americans for some strange reason, tend to get riled up about being treated as though they are inferior.

I am generalizing of course, I am certain that individuals differ in degree and some are no doubt free from bias, but that is my overall impression of those groups.

[Tigzy]

That's a hell of a scam Ophelia Benson has going on.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/.
Boo hoo some evil misogynists are ridiculing poor me on twitter.
Anthony k. showing why he was formerly known as Brownnoser, replies " Have no fear fair maiden we'll send you money to punish those rakes".
Ophie should teach a course to psychics and other grifters on how to seperate fools from their money.

At this rate, those poor old sods are likely to end up bankrupt, what with the way Benson goes on and on about her online woes.

[free thoughtpolice]

Also from the "brave Hero and the impersonation.." thread a half-assed threat.


Lofty

February 14, 2013 at 5:58 pm (UTC -8)

These stink bugs need nuking. Small donation coming your way for the pest controllers.

Ophie is a terrorist raising money for a nuclear weapon?

[bhoytony]

Fuck you all up the council.

You know you have to explain this for the Septics.

Really, we "septics" are not all that fascinated with every little colloquialism that comes from across the pond, despite what some here apparently think.

I'll say it yet again. There are a lot of people on here who take me, and particularly themselves, very, very seriously. Most of them seem to be septics.

[Gumby]

Fuck you all up the council.

You know you have to explain this for the Septics.

Really, we "septics" are not all that fascinated with every little colloquialism that comes from across the pond, despite what some here apparently think.

I'll say it yet again. There are a lot of people on here who take me, and particularly themselves, very, very seriously. Most of them seem to be septics.

:lol:

OK, bud, whatever you say.

[bhoytony]

:lol:

OK, bud, whatever you say.

Oh, a smiley. Sorry, you obviously don't take yourself seriously then.

[cunt]

In my experience, Jamaicans seem to have some sort of inherent assumption that they are superior to anyone else in the world (for some reason a lot of other West Indians appear to dislike them intensely).

I'd pay serious money to watch a "Shut Up And Listen" SJW talk to a real Rastafarian.

[Richard Dworkins]

At this point, is there not enough ladies here on the slymepit and elsewhere that some friendly blog network could start a "Women speak out about against "feminist" hatred in the Skeptical community."

If nothing else, it would be very amusing.

[nippletwister]

I dropped this at Novella's place.

The malicious attacks on women are, more often than not, the handiwork of dedicated trolls and originate from places like encyclopedia dramatica (the evidence is overwhelming, but gets conveniently ignored when presented). They are then – equally maliciously and for sheer political gain – imputed to atheists and skeptics by certain divisive figures, who by reason of proximity with you, Steven, keep on getting a pass from skeptical scrutiny.
What you say is all very reasonable, until you turn your biased eye to the issue of feminism and of prominent “feminists”, who pretend to talk for all women in the community without having clear mandate to do so. In fact, the most eloquent pushback they’re receiving for the injection of industrial quantities of venom and slander in the community is at the hand of other women.
As an egalitarian concerned with the equal rights and respect for everyone, I’m appalled by the selective blindness on display here.

I often disagree with your perspective on issues that get brought up here, but that was a bomb of truth (obvious truth to those that have really been watching) that needed to be said. Good on ya for being so reasonable, I hope he reads it.

[some guy]

... Arent we told that exclusion is part of the rampant misogyny in atheism? Excluding female skeptics from "Best atheists authors!" "Best atheist bloggers" "Best atheist podcasts" lists is sexist? Excluding females from speaker line-ups at conferences is sexist (except when Phil Plait does it)? Exclusion is one way the patriarchy keeps women down.

Wait a minute! I distinctly remember that situation. You went in front of a conference and delivered an absolutely clueless rant against XMRV, showing your utter ignorance not just of the field of virology (including your complete unfamiliarity with the methodology and tools of the field as well as the relevant literature), but also a complete lack of understanding about how science (in virtually all fields) works. Your argument boiled down to something remarkably similar to an argument from personal incredulity. (And was based on pop-press secondary sources (Huff Post? really!?)). It totally revealed what an ARROGANT, VACUOUS, and UNQUALIFIED person your were to even hold an opinion on the topic! You totally embarrassed yourself! And it prompted those knowledgable in the field to call you out.

That criticism in turn prompted your protector *MEN!* to come forward, NOT to show that you were right (e.g., by recasting your "evidence" and maybe polishing up the presentation a bit), but to try to get to the same conclusion you got to. All done so as to divert the strong criticism made against you for your failure to know what the fuck you were talking about over to one about whether the points you were trying to make were correct or not. It was hilarious how these *MEN!* piled on, with multiple posts on the topics to shift the focus from your singularly ignoble performance in an attempt to save at least some bit of your reputation.

And more over … [wait a minute: someone is speaking into my ear... ]

Okay, I've been informed that it wasn't XMRV you were talking about, it was evolutionary psychology. Fine. My points still stand, however. But in any event … [wait a minute: someone is speaking into my ear... ]

Okay, I've been informed that it wasn't you that was speaking. Or at least, not you dressed up as you, but rather probably you dressed up as someone else. Still, shows what you know. Or what you dressed up as someone else knows. (Okay, maybe just what someone else knows. (I think I go back to lurking...))

[some guy]

Oops! Of course this is the part of ERV's post I meant to quote in my post above.

... Thus Novella utilized the oppressive tool of exclusion when he covered the XMRV fiasco. His post went up long after my role in the XMRV-CFS take-down was complete-- so long after it was even after my role/blog was referenced in a peer-reviewed journal article, written by one of The Top Dogs in virology. And yet, despite the fact a female atheist/skeptic/blogger brought down that monster, Novella managed to exclude referencing me or my role, in any way/shape/form.

[Submariner]

... Arent we told that exclusion is part of the rampant misogyny in atheism? Excluding female skeptics from "Best atheists authors!" "Best atheist bloggers" "Best atheist podcasts" lists is sexist? Excluding females from speaker line-ups at conferences is sexist (except when Phil Plait does it)? Exclusion is one way the patriarchy keeps women down.

Wait a minute! I distinctly remember that situation. You went in front of a conference and delivered an absolutely clueless rant against XMRV, showing your utter ignorance not just of the field of virology (including your complete unfamiliarity with the methodology and tools of the field as well as the relevant literature), but also a complete lack of understanding about how science (in virtually all fields) works. Your argument boiled down to something remarkably similar to an argument from personal incredulity. (And was based on pop-press secondary sources (Huff Post? really!?)). It totally revealed what an ARROGANT, VACUOUS, and UNQUALIFIED person your were to even hold an opinion on the topic! You totally embarrassed yourself! And it prompted those knowledgable in the field to call you out.

That criticism in turn prompted your protector *MEN!* to come forward, NOT to show that you were right (e.g., by recasting your "evidence" and maybe polishing up the presentation a bit), but to try to get to the same conclusion you got to. All done so as to divert the strong criticism made against you for your failure to know what the fuck you were talking about over to one about whether the points you were trying to make were correct or not. It was hilarious how these *MEN!* piled on, with multiple posts on the topics to shift the focus from your singularly ignoble performance in an attempt to save at least some bit of your reputation.

And more over … [wait a minute: someone is speaking into my ear... ]

Okay, I've been informed that it wasn't XMRV you were talking about, it was evolutionary psychology. Fine. My points still stand, however. But in any event … [wait a minute: someone is speaking into my ear... ]

Okay, I've been informed that it wasn't you that was speaking. Or at least, not you dressed up as you, but rather probably you dressed up as someone else. Still, shows what you know. Or what you dressed up as someone else knows. (Okay, maybe just what someone else knows. (I think I go back to lurking...))

Wow. Great post. I was getting a bit angry there until someone spoke in your ear. Well done.

[free thoughtpolice]

I dropped this at Novella's place.

The malicious attacks on women are, more often than not, the handiwork of dedicated trolls and originate from places like encyclopedia dramatica (the evidence is overwhelming, but gets conveniently ignored when presented). They are then – equally maliciously and for sheer political gain – imputed to atheists and skeptics by certain divisive figures, who by reason of proximity with you, Steven, keep on getting a pass from skeptical scrutiny.
What you say is all very reasonable, until you turn your biased eye to the issue of feminism and of prominent “feminists”, who pretend to talk for all women in the community without having clear mandate to do so. In fact, the most eloquent pushback they’re receiving for the injection of industrial quantities of venom and slander in the community is at the hand of other women.
As an egalitarian concerned with the equal rights and respect for everyone, I’m appalled by the selective blindness on display here.

I often disagree with your perspective on issues that get brought up here, but that was a bomb of truth (obvious truth to those that have really been watching) that needed to be said. Good on ya for being so reasonable, I hope he reads it.

It would be interesting to see how many of the attacks on Watson from "atheists" were generated after the encyclopedia dramatica article on her was published. Ophelia might think about dropping an article there, the extra victim points she picks up could make her rich.

[Gumby]

:lol:

OK, bud, whatever you say.

Oh, a smiley. Sorry, you obviously don't take yourself seriously then.

Well, I sure as hell don't take you seriously. Especially when you've admitted several times that you're just here to fart around. Not that there's anything wrong with that; it's pretty much the same for me. Here, here's another smiley for you.

:dance:

[bhoytony]

Well, I sure as hell don't take you seriously. Especially when you've admitted several times that you're just here to fart around. Not that there's anything wrong with that; it's pretty much the same for me. Here, here's another smiley for you.

:dance:

Correct. I'm just here to take the single fish. (do you want me to explain that for you?)

[Dick Strawkins]

It would be interesting to see how many of the attacks on Watson from "atheists" were generated after the encyclopedia dramatica article on her was published. Ophelia might think about dropping an article there, the extra victim points she picks up could make her rich.

Watson is on record as having stated that the sexist attacks began after she made a video about FGM. She claims that some men were annoyed that she didn't treat male circumcision in the same way and showed their anger by commenting that she should be raped.
She seems to assume that these comments must be from atheists or skeptics, exactly why, I don't know.

Curiously, the attacks also began just after Watson split up from her former husband in the UK, moved back to the US and needed a long-term job.
But that's probably just a coincidence. :whistle:

[another lurker]

:lol:

OK, bud, whatever you say.

Oh, a smiley. Sorry, you obviously don't take yourself seriously then.

Well, I sure as hell don't take you seriously. Especially when you've admitted several times that you're just here to fart around. Not that there's anything wrong with that; it's pretty much the same for me. Here, here's another smiley for you.

:dance:

I take Gumby's cat, Stimpy, rather seriously. I hear she's quite dangerous!

[Gumby]

I take Gumby's cat, Stimpy, rather seriously. I hear she's quite dangerous!

She's only dangerous if you're a can of cat food.

[another lurker]

I take Gumby's cat, Stimpy, rather seriously. I hear she's quite dangerous!

She's only dangerous if you're a can of cat food.

Or a sofa! :P

[Lsuoma]

Lsuoma, can you also respond to this stupid comment?

Fuck you all up the council.

You know you have to explain this for the Septics.

Rhyming slang - council gritter

And SURELY you don't need THAT explaining.

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[bhoytony]

Rhyming slang - council gritter

And SURELY you don't need THAT explaining.

I think a lot of people here might not know what a council gritter is, never mind what it rhymes with.

[JackSkeptic]

... Arent we told that exclusion is part of the rampant misogyny in atheism? Excluding female skeptics from "Best atheists authors!" "Best atheist bloggers" "Best atheist podcasts" lists is sexist? Excluding females from speaker line-ups at conferences is sexist (except when Phil Plait does it)? Exclusion is one way the patriarchy keeps women down.

Wait a minute! I distinctly remember that situation. You went in front of a conference and delivered an absolutely clueless rant against XMRV, showing your utter ignorance not just of the field of virology (including your complete unfamiliarity with the methodology and tools of the field as well as the relevant literature), but also a complete lack of understanding about how science (in virtually all fields) works. Your argument boiled down to something remarkably similar to an argument from personal incredulity. (And was based on pop-press secondary sources (Huff Post? really!?)). It totally revealed what an ARROGANT, VACUOUS, and UNQUALIFIED person your were to even hold an opinion on the topic! You totally embarrassed yourself! And it prompted those knowledgable in the field to call you out.

That criticism in turn prompted your protector *MEN!* to come forward, NOT to show that you were right (e.g., by recasting your "evidence" and maybe polishing up the presentation a bit), but to try to get to the same conclusion you got to. All done so as to divert the strong criticism made against you for your failure to know what the fuck you were talking about over to one about whether the points you were trying to make were correct or not. It was hilarious how these *MEN!* piled on, with multiple posts on the topics to shift the focus from your singularly ignoble performance in an attempt to save at least some bit of your reputation.

And more over … [wait a minute: someone is speaking into my ear... ]

Okay, I've been informed that it wasn't XMRV you were talking about, it was evolutionary psychology. Fine. My points still stand, however. But in any event … [wait a minute: someone is speaking into my ear... ]

Okay, I've been informed that it wasn't you that was speaking. Or at least, not you dressed up as you, but rather probably you dressed up as someone else. Still, shows what you know. Or what you dressed up as someone else knows. (Okay, maybe just what someone else knows. (I think I go back to lurking...))

Wins post of the week for me :D

[acathode]

All in all though the ratio of jackasses to well behaved Halo 2 players was much lower than people like Anita Sarkeesian and all the others who want to paint all gamers as basement dwelling misogynistic, racist creeps would have you believe. I think some of the situation also really depends on the types of games you play. I know alot of the other girls and women I've encountered who play games do play alot of MMO type and fantasy role play games where things are more cooperative. I don't use headsets very often if I play games, but with stuff like the Borderlands games, where everyone operates as a team, I've never had any assholes torment me. The times I have encountered gendered insults and attacks were all in competitive type games where as I said before I don't think the people really truly hated women, they just found the quickest way to piss me off and insult based on the sole attribute about me that they had knowledge of.

This is pretty much my experience also. In competitive games like FPSes or RTSes where you're playing against other people (that you seldom meet ever again), getting them MAD by psyching and douchebaggery is something that makes you win. It can be VERY effective, and getting someone to lose it is a reward in itself if you've the one that pushed them over that edge. In non-pro situations, "anything that might work goes" often becomes the motto.

In cooperative games though, like MMOs, where you not only mostly play together against NPCs and AIs, but also the game itself focus much on building strong communities, with people you end up playing with for years, completely opposite behavior is what makes you successful. In general, the more your individual success depends on your good standing in the community, the better and more friendly the community is (which is btw why WoW nowadays is so filled with asshats, since it nowadays is so streamlined that you barely need a community to do even high end raiding).

In my experience, if women get extra flack in competitive FPS games, their situation is completely the opposite in cooperative MMOs, where I've seen countless of guilds where a large number of young boys/men are tripping over themselves to help the only girl in the guild. This can be just as bad as getting constantly harassed though, I've known a few women who keep their gender secret in MMOs just because they don't want the special treatment and changed behavior from their teammates. Sadly, I've also seen one or two guilds break apart due to drama that was largely caused by girls/women that felt entitled to this special treatment.

In general, IMO both the problem comes mainly from teenage boys or young men who've yet to learn how to interact with members of the opposite sex in situations where the "endgame" isn't your bed, and I don't think that any amount of feminism pushed into the gaming community is going to do much to solve that "problem".

I worked in a warehouse many years ago with about 30 people. I was one of the few whites and I got no racist abuse at all (except some joking around which I did not care about) But the Jamaicans and West Africans were extremely racially abusive to each other and it was also a skin tone thing. The management couldn't do anything as they were scared of being called racist.

Don't you know that black people cannot be racists? Since "they are not actually working within the systematic framework of advantage created by the majority to privilege themselves", so they are not "racists", only being "prejudice"...
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Al Stefanelli]

The right to be uncivil only belongs to them though. If anyone is ever uncivil right back, they send out a dozen alerts and Myers can't scamper over fast enough to ban the offender.

http://i.imgur.com/kaGzUvk.jpg

Little babies.

Not only that, it's pube-licking-shaming.

So, I guess it's OK for them to support the use of rape as a form of punishment?

[Al Stefanelli]

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[nippletwister]

Fuck you all up the council.

You know you have to explain this for the Septics.

Really, we "septics" are not all that fascinated with every little colloquialism that comes from across the pond, despite what some here apparently think.

I'll say it yet again. There are a lot of people on here who take me, and particularly themselves, very, very seriously. Most of them seem to be septics.

I am interested in colloquialisms, but I've never taken you seriously, and I do my best not to take myself too seriously. I could tell you were full of shit within five minutes of coming to the 'Pit, although that may be in part because you take pains to remind everyone regularly.

So, out of curiosity, what exactly do "taking the single fish" and "fuck you all up the council" mean? All the English slang I know comes from "Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels".

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BarnOwl i thinky.
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[cunt]

Nippletwister calling somebody else full of shit.

[nippletwister]

Rhyming slang - council gritter

And SURELY you don't need THAT explaining.

I think a lot of people here might not know what a council gritter is, never mind what it rhymes with.

A council gritter is someone who annoyingly grits their teeth during council meetings, and it rhymes with "apple fritter", obviously.

So, the real meaning would be that you're threatening to face-fuck somebody who seems uptight with a doughnut. Man, this slang shit is easy, even for us stoopid septics!

[decius]

Political activism is incompatible with science, not just with skepticism. The first victims are facts and truth, then the witch-hunts ensue.
And history tends to repeat itself.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/magaz ... ogist.html

[Spence]

Rhyming slang - council gritter

And SURELY you don't need THAT explaining.

I think a lot of people here might not know what a council gritter is, never mind what it rhymes with.

Always referred to as "up the Gary" in my neck of the woods.

Apparently quite a popular turn of phrase in Thailand, too.

[bhoytony]

I am interested in colloquialisms, but I've never taken you seriously, and I do my best not to take myself too seriously. I could tell you were full of shit within five minutes of coming to the 'Pit, although that may be in part because you take pains to remind everyone regularly.

So, out of curiosity, what exactly do "taking the single fish" and "fuck you all up the council" mean? All the English slang I know comes from "Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels".

I'm not English.

[Cunning Punt]

The right to be uncivil only belongs to them though. If anyone is ever uncivil right back, they send out a dozen alerts and Myers can't scamper over fast enough to ban the offender.

http://i.imgur.com/kaGzUvk.jpg

Little babies.

Not only that, it's pube-licking-shaming.

So, I guess it's OK for them to support the use of rape as a form of punishment?

Made2heal was a Poe I believe, throwing their own words back at them.

[nippletwister]

I am interested in colloquialisms, but I've never taken you seriously, and I do my best not to take myself too seriously. I could tell you were full of shit within five minutes of coming to the 'Pit, although that may be in part because you take pains to remind everyone regularly.

So, out of curiosity, what exactly do "taking the single fish" and "fuck you all up the council" mean? All the English slang I know comes from "Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels".

I'm not English.

That's fine. I'm still curious about the single fish.

[bhoytony]

That's fine. I'm still curious about the single fish.

Pish, not a word used by the English.

[debaser71]

It would be interesting to see how many of the attacks on Watson from "atheists" were generated after the encyclopedia dramatica article on her was published. Ophelia might think about dropping an article there, the extra victim points she picks up could make her rich.

Watson is on record as having stated that the sexist attacks began after she made a video about FGM. She claims that some men were annoyed that she didn't treat male circumcision in the same way and showed their anger by commenting that she should be raped.
She seems to assume that these comments must be from atheists or skeptics, exactly why, I don't know.

Curiously, the attacks also began just after Watson split up from her former husband in the UK, moved back to the US and needed a long-term job.
But that's probably just a coincidence. :whistle:

I was subbed to rkwason on youtube and I saw here response to the responses to her FGM video. In my mind that was her strike two at being a jerk face. Strike one was her "don't be a dick" nonsense. Strike three was, of course, "guys don't do that".

Anyway...carry on.

[windy]

I worked in a warehouse many years ago with about 30 people. I was one of the few whites and I got no racist abuse at all (except some joking around which I did not care about) But the Jamaicans and West Africans were extremely racially abusive to each other and it was also a skin tone thing. The management couldn't do anything as they were scared of being called racist.

Don't you know that black people cannot be racists? Since "they are not actually working within the systematic framework of advantage created by the majority to privilege themselves", so they are not "racists", only being "prejudice"...
:roll: :roll: :roll:

That's a relief then. Otherwise something like this could have been mistaken as racism:

During his testimony Wednesday, Thandiwe suggested that his reason for even purchasing the gun he used in the shootings was to enforce beliefs he’d developed about white people during his later years as an anthropology major at the University of West Georgia.

“I was trying to prove a point that Europeans had colonized the world, and as a result of that, we see a lot of evil today,” he said. “In terms of slavery, it was something that needed to be answered for. I was trying to spread the message of making white people mend.”

He said the night before the shooting, he attended a so-called “Peace Party” intended to address his concerns about helping the black community find equal footing, but two white people were there.

:shock:

[CommanderTuvok]

Re: Novella.

Twatson obviously has him by the balls. I get the feeling Steven Novella does actually see the problem with the Creepy Clowns and their desperate attacks on people in the community. He recently defended Shermer, and he has defended TAM. However, when it comes to the crunch, he won't ever criticise Queen Bee, and now it seems he won't dare to upset the chief Baboon leaders by mentioning Abbie Smith and ERV.

Steven, seriously, GROW A PAIR and kick Twatson OFF the SGU podcast.

[CommanderTuvok]

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[DeepInsideYourMind]

Over the past year or two I have realised that I no longer listen to or read opinions by people like Aron Ra, Justin Griffiths, Steven Novella ... not because their opinions aren't incise, objective, informational or generally of interest ... but solely because they are associated with FtB or Rebecca Watson ...

I could go and tell them on their blogs that they should relocate or choose better bed partners, but it isn't my place, so I just choose not to read or listen to them.

Is that guilt by association, or ... ?