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Mark Neil wrote: They have no sense of personal accountability. The "threats and hatred" are coming entirely unprovoked. They've done absolutely nothing to inspire others to dislike them. They haven't demonized anyone else the way they claim others are doing to them. They haven't riled people up against others with, say, petitions to get them removed from their positions, or accusations of threatening behavior that results in people offering to retaliate with mafia style repercussions if in their area.
Once again I'll compare these skeevy fuckers to religionists. The ones at the top are fully aware of what they're doing. They just don't care, because they have an agenda. It's all the believer rabble in the congregation beneath them that fit into what you just said.

PZ, Ophelia, Svan, Canuck, Christina... they are the priests of their own little bullshit nascent religion. Everything they do screams "religion". Everything they say, every smear job they perform, every bald-faced lie they spew... it all reminds me of Ken Ham and Eric Hovind maintaining their sad little false empires, empires built on deceit and defended with lies, insinuations and smears against any who would oppose them.

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Ophelia and PZ are soooo predictable. They are nothing but cheap demagogues of the most despicable kind. With them, Integrity has gone out the window a long time ago, if it was ever there to begin with. The people who still believe their spin and histrionics are either ignorant or as evil as they are. Yes, evil. These two are evil. This has now become evident for all to see.

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Metalogic42 wrote: So this is what we have now:

PZ: This guy is a slymepitter! They're all the same!
OB: Those other slymepitters don't like what this guy said, but who cares? It's still their fault!
PZ: No! They're all exactly like this guy! They all love it!

They can't even get their fucking story straight anymore :doh:
Oh, they can get the story straight; it's just that they won't, if it doesn't serve their purposes to do so. Extremely dishonest. Doesn't matter so much for someone like Ophelia, whose means of support are a complete mystery to people (like myself) who've worked at various jobs since age 15 (or younger). She's not involved in academia, nor is she especially engaged with society at large, from what I can tell. But flaunting one's mendacious and self-serving narratives on various social media, and removing dissent and alternative views on a blog and at conferences, do matter for a scientist like PZ. What's to stop such dishonest behavior from seeping over into his professional life? It's a good thing that he's likely out of the loop for reviewing grant proposals and manuscripts.*

*I predict a blag post in response, along the lines of "I was reviewing manuscripts for a high impact journal blah blah blah me me me ..." Anyone care to make a bet? If I win, I'll donate my ill-gotten gains to Operation Smile.

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Wow, seeing the way the crowd commenting at Butterflies and Wheels is just eating up the tale Orwellia Benson is spinning without question gave me some inspiration:

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/newuploads/x757j.png

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http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... c7926c.jpg
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-539346

Yes, because as we all know, the current effort to "add something" to atheism is going SO well...

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ERV wrote:What is this I dont even

[youtube]4c1ftt-TV6Q[/youtube]
Some cheerleader escaped from the kitchen and wants to hurt my brain? No, really this stuff is fascinating. I'm so ignorant of it.

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16bitheretic wrote:Wow, seeing the way the crowd commenting at Butterflies and Wheels is just eating up the tale Orwellia Benson is spinning without question gave me some inspiration:

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/newuploads/x757j.png
Personally, I always envision a disgraced televangelist denying his latest scandal to his congregation, and the congregation just laps it up, confident that he is a saintly man of God.

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cunt wrote:
ERV wrote:What is this I dont even

[youtube]4c1ftt-TV6Q[/youtube]
Some cheerleader escaped from the kitchen and wants to hurt my brain? No, really this stuff is fascinating. I'm so ignorant of it.
Sadly, I have to confess that having watched the first minute or so of it, I am now downloading Contagion (having see all of the other evil virus movies mentioned....)

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Gumby wrote:
another lurker wrote:Gumby: she is despicable. To watch it happen right here, the lies, the misinformation. It's mind-boggling really.


They're constantly forced to defend themselves and make new shit up to cast themselves as the innocents because of our refusal to let them get away with their scummy hijinks. We're the wrench in the works and that drives them crazy. Expect them to get worse, and the insinuations and accusations to get even more hyperbolic. The more control they lose, the more desperate they will get.
I'll just sit down and enjoy the show. Is there any way this can be sped up? I want a grand finale or some sort of major break up between them. Either one will do - either they all look like what they are together, or they fuss & fight about which is worse. :popcorn:

I always find it creepy when I catch people lying so blatantly. Really, who does that?

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"R Johnson" helpfully teaches us how we pitters arrived at atheism.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... fd5ae0.jpg

The final part, "Never think for a second that they’re actually people who’ve thoughtfully come to atheism. Their atheism is unthinking and religious in nature", destroyed me irony meter.

I love how they just cast these blanket judgments...

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So Seth Andrews, after having Michael Shermer on his podcast a few weeks ago, is now posting the video of a presentation by Abbie Smith?

Uh oh, somebody better make the professional victims at FTB who are scheduled to speak at the same American Atheists 50th Anniversary convention that Seth is in a few months aware that they need to target him next in their witch hunts! We don't want them to feel unsafe, he might still have Abbie and Shermer contamination! Worse yet, he might still be a... a... fiscal conservative, and a gun owner! According to my A+ manual, this means he is immoral and hateful, and something...something... um, rape, privilege, patriarchy, stop harassing us!

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Wow, I reckon Pruney must have squirted a little on seeing that tweet - it was so blatantly what she was after, I bet she gave an involuntary, 'SQUEEEE - vindicated!' when she saw it. If the transexual-toe-in-the-twat event is anything to go by, she'll be dining out on this for years.

No doubt she'll write, in that carefully cultivated deadpan-victim style of hers, 'They threatened to throw acid at me' as the closing statement to pretty much any mention of the mildew pit, or anyone who might disagree with her.

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Seth recently had Greta and Zinnia on his show. I don't think he is at all bothered about the "schism".

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One more thing about Seth. Although he's a gun owner, Republican leaning (I think) - he's OK as far as the Baboons are concerned because at least he's not a Libertarian like Shermer.

The Baboon element have a strange parallel to the Hard Left UK Socialist Party, where they turn on their own types far more often than the people who hold opposite political views to them. The Socialist Workers Party always seem to be engaged in witch hunts, and have had problems with "gender traitors" (women who don't toe their political line).

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I really used to respect Ophelia Benson. Hers was the first blog I went to, for many months.

I have lost a great deal of respect for her, due to her blatant lying, amongst other things.

The sad thing is, FTB had an ally in me. I agree with them on many things. What I don't agree with is deliberately mischaracterizing those who disagree with you as rapists and psycho-stalkers. That is reprehensible.

A few months ago I believed Ophelia, blindly, when she said that the Slymepit was full of nasty misogynists. I even visited here a couple times, and ran off in fear, b/c I saw people casually throwing around 'cunt' and 'bitch' and making light of 'misogyny'.

But the treatment that I received over at FTB made me take a second look at the Slymepit. And you know what, these people are great. I do not agree with all of them, but at least they are FUCKING HONEST, unlike you, Ophelia. They don't play childish games and try to incite their followers into a frenzy of hate and condemnation. All they do is mock your sorry ass and your pathetic attempts at framing yourself as some sort of victim.

And you all love to talk about Reap Paden as if he is some sort of sexual psychopath. I have listened to his podcasts, and he is far more charitable than any of you will ever be. In the podcast I listened to yesterday, he went so far as to say that "Ophelia Benson is really a good person at heart" ( or somesuch). I agreed with him then. I do NOT agree with him now. Ophelia Benson is a manipulative, lying fame-asshole (see, I am not using a gendered insult!!!) who only cares about promoting her own agenda. An agenda that she can only promote by outright LYING about her victimhood.

In short, fuck you OB, you are a lying manipulate sack of shit. Despicable. You make me sick.

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Tigzy wrote:Wow, I reckon Pruney must have squirted a little on seeing that tweet - it was so blatantly what she was after, I bet she gave an involuntary, 'SQUEEEE - vindicated!' when she saw it. If the transexual-toe-in-the-twat event is anything to go by, she'll be dining out on this for years.

No doubt she'll write, in that carefully cultivated deadpan-victim style of hers, 'They threatened to throw acid at me' as the closing statement to pretty much any mention of the mildew pit, or anyone who might disagree with her.
Yup, yup, yup. She's been aching for something, anything to give her that authentic hi-pro victim cred. She's one of the sisters now, she won't have to sit on panels looking wistful while others compare scars.
Ophelia wrote:I gotta go now. I wonder if I dare go outside…
If she had any sense, she would've just put up a Youtube video and made her bones long ago. It's easy, since Rebecca set the victimhood bar so low.

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With all of the vitriol coming from FTB, Benson etc I thought it might be interesting to point out the stupidity of the fungible conspiracies that the FTB crowd are smearing on their collective ladycocks.

RAW explains fungibility as it applies to conspiracies:


I'm a new member of the pit, just finding my way and enjoying some of the posts and conversations here, however I resent the implications made without consideration about all of us here in the pit.

We've all at some point seen the comments made about members in this forum, yet the snap judgement is made without hesitation, even when I am unknown to this bunch and have had no communication with them. Are new users scum just by joining this forum? really?

Treating a group of people as homogenous = the most nefarious form of stupidity on the planet.
FTB, PZ, OB et al: guilty as hell!

And Hi btw ;D

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kellym wrote:@Juliewms, it’s the slymepit that is escalating the hatred that will likely lead to violence. If it happens, it will be the fault of every slymepitter and their supporters, not the targets of the raging hatred and abuse.
No. Just no. And fuck you for even trying to implicate me in a possible violent action in the future.
Caine, herp derp whatever wrote:Vile and inappropriate hardly begin to cover it. The harm you caused is done. Do you really think (well, obviously, you don’t) that there’s no psychological effect? That your words won’t reverberate in Ophelia’s memory, at any given time, even years from now? Do you think anyone deserves to have such a threat reside in their brain for a lifetime, wondering if someone even sicker than you will actually make good on such a threat?
Poor Ophelia, sitting in her room, in the dark, crying between blog posts. Caine must not think much of OB if he (she? xie? cthulhu fhtagn?) thinks she's so fragile that this incident is going to completely break her spirit and make her paranoid for a lifetime.
Gnumann+, blahdy blah blah stupid username wrote:No. The sad fact is that the slymepit is merely trying to enforce the overall societal norm. Their only goal is to shut us down to reinforce the default partriachal values and patterns. If we shut up, they will win. They will go away, but only because they will see they are no longer needed.

What we really need is people like you to stop supporting them in their struggle and stop reinforcing patriarchy.
Bullshit. I can't speak for anyone else, but personally, I don't want to shut you down. You're doing a fine job of that yourselves. I want you to open up. Stop deleting comments you don't like. Stop censoring. Stop spreading lies and face criticism directly. There's a reason I'm posting here instead of on FTB, and it has nothing to do with who I agree with.
Gnumann+, etc. wrote:Patriarchy is everywhere. It’s never a question if a person is sexist, but how. That goes for me, that goes for you.

Personally, I constantly have to watch myself to not go into unconscious sexism, and I don’t always succeed even though I try.


Jesus fuck. Speak for yourself. You don't get to speak for everyone who ever existed, ever.
Louis wrote:The slymepit lot are a little more defensive about having their errors pointed out perhaps, a little more comfortable with their privilege than many here are, a little more tolerant of certain species of “jokes” across wider varieties of contexts.
Hi again Louis. You're wrong. You're welcome to come over here, where my comments won't be deleted, and point out any errors you think I've made. In fact, I encourage it. Please do.
Caine, etc. wrote:Perhaps it does highlight something about the ‘pitters, though. It seems that pictures grab their attention, while they don’t do well with words [text] at all.
Now we're illiterate. Hahahaha.

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Metalogic42 wrote:[spoiler]
Louis wrote:
I did something I very, VERY rarely do (because I’m not super interested in the hate campaign stuff, that is a reflection of my privilege I realise), I went over to the Slymepit for a look. I read a few pages of their new version of the endless ERV inspired thread (1 to 6, 20 to 30, and 68/69 IIRC) just to get a flavour of what they were about.

Okay, well not too many surprises, few more uses of certain words than would fly here, but that really is by the by, they’re not open to being convinced that language has the power it does, fine (unpleasant, but you know, in the grand scheme of things not the most serious crime ever). We know that already. I was pleased to note the general tone of reaction to this Jerry Conlon tweet (even though he was a very minor and rare slymepit poster who no one remembered, ostensibly at least) was disgust. Good on them for that.

Should I emphasise that last part so passing pitters note that an evil Pharynguloid credits them with some actual humanity?

I was less pleased to note the pretty standard rantings of Reap and people like that, the venom is impressive and well tolerated, even supported. That’s a bit sad really. The hate directed at PZ/Rebecca/Jen/Greta/Ophelia etc is pretty disgusting, can’t excuse it. I was really unimpressed by crowing over claimed profound “logical victories” which, in the couple of instances I saw linked to and subsequently read weren’t anything of the type, just more point missing, question begging, assumption laden crap. Which is dull. Voltaire’s “prayer” applies again I think.

I was actually shocked to see the minimising and point missing that went along with the condemnation of this tweet. A fair amount of “not-condemnation” went on, i.e. “this is disgusting, BUT it’s obviously only a joke” or “this is disgusting, BUT it’s just playing into Ophelia’s hands as a professional victim” and so on.

It’s all a bit disappointing really. I can’t muster enormous outrage because I don’t know these people, they just seem a bit crap. They don’t seem like the folks I’ve met at atheist/sceptic meet ups and what not, they don’t seem like any of my colleagues or friends. I guess I’m just lucky that I tend not to meet people who obsessively hatefap over the internet over mean women who won’t fuck them and mean people who won’t tolerate their bullshit. Hell, if I hated everyone who hadn’t tolerated my bullshit over the years I’d have no time for anything else!

Granted for PZ/Rebecca/Jen/Greta/Ophelia etc it’s an entirely different kettle of fish, and those people obviously have my sympathy. I find it really, really, REALLY hard to credit that this all kicked off pretty much just because some woman on the internet said “Guys, don’t do that”. Really? Seriously, really? THIS is what energises these people?

{sigh}

I have a tendency towards comic hyperbole. I love a good joke, me. I’m fond of over the top extreme comic pseudo threats like “I’ll tear your arm off and beat you to death with the wet end”. I’m just puerile enough to find them funny in the right context. And there, again, is the fucking cluebat. Context. It matters. I’ll tell you the wrong context, the context where it is really easily misunderstood: when there are lots of people pouring hate filled missives at someone and you are an additional unknown/pseudonymous person adding to the cacophony. THEN those sorts of “jokes” take a different sheen, an entirely different tenor. How the hell is Ophelia to know if this person is mucking about or unhinged? She’s not. Granted it’s more likely he’s being an obnoxious moron than anything else, and the likelihood of anything nasty actually happening is tiny, but really how can anyone tell?

And this is where I *can* muster some genuine outrage. I don’t know Ophelia, I’m pretty sure we’ve never met, I read her blog rarely and comment even more rarely. I’m sure someone will claim I (and people like me) are White Knighting, but really, we’re not. Ophelia’s sex is only relevant in the sense that women do get acid chucked in their face for being “uppity” in various ways. And many other things besides. This is not a context free comment. This tweet does not exist in a vacuum. It exists as part, a particularly obnoxious part, of a large amount of vitriol directed at Ophelia for a variety of reasons. Not the sexist comment about her looks, note the slymepitters referring to her by a looks based insult on their site on a regular basis. Is this the best they can do?

Fuck it, I’ve done similar things in my past (comments about Denyse O’Leary for example) and I feel like a knobhead for having made them (and I was!). My dumb comments about Denyse O’Leary’s looks weren’t a substitute for actually engaging with her IDCist arguments. I never wanted her to shut up and go away, in fact, just like I want with the slymepitters, I wanted her to keep talking. That way I never needed to lift a finger to make her look a fool. I would never consider hounding the poor woman with derogatory comments on her Twitter feed (if she even has one) I don’t in fact even give two shits about the dozy git! Her dozy arguments are the fun bit. Low bar cracks about her looks aren’t great wit. The idea that I’d make threats to her, or make comments that could reasonably be interpreted as threats, is laughable. Just who does that?

Oh wait, sexist shitheads do that. Right. Gotcha.

Sorry for the teal deer ramblings but urgh. Sorry.

Louis
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Link: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-539384

I've bolded certain parts of this comment that don't toe the party line. Anyone want to bet on how long it takes before he's memory holed?

Also, gonna requote one line in particular:
Should I emphasise that last part so passing pitters note that an evil Pharynguloid credits them with some actual humanity?
Yes, you should emphasize that last part - but direct it at your FTB "colleagues". They like to paint us as a hivemind, and in total opposition to them on everything. As you've seen, this isn't the case.

Louis, check out what someone said a few posts below yours:
juliewms wrote:PZ and other FtBloggers… it’s time to disengage from these people (Slymepitters, Reap Paden, Stefanelli, the haters, the negative posters, etc.) completely before someone is physically hurt because of the continuous arguing and posting online. It is obviously escalating, with the latest threat of an acid attack, and you all need to involve the authorities (law) at this point.
Think again about what you've read here. Can you really imagine us wanting to physically hurt the FTBers? If you've read as much of this thread as you claim, I bet not. This is why we're so (verbally) harsh toward PZ, OB, et al. Because they spread lies like this.
Sorry, Louis is out of bound for me. He is a IRL friend, and probably the only member of the A/S web community I ever met IRL. Spent a lovely day with Ali, him and his family couple of years ago. He is, and I shall emphasize this, nothing like the usual suspects. he's a very peaceful friendly guy, and doesn't play by "internet balls". Whatever he says on a forum, he will not hesitate to say it to your face. Of all the shit that has gone downward with this rift, Louis is probably the poster and friend I miss the most (because I don't live close to his place anymore, and he doesn't really post much these days, except where I am banned).

Anyway, I just wanted to take a stand for him, because he is one hell of a cool guy. And he agrees to disagree. Often. I wish he would come here to discuss, but since that would mean instaban from Pharyngula, I guess I'll have to resign myself to reading his contributions there.

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Ophelia wrote:I gotta go now. I wonder if I dare go outside…
Did she really post or tweet that?

She's from a completely different planet, AFAIC. I'd almost feel sorry for her, if she was truly that fearful, but she's such a dishonest attention-seeker.

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Professional victims tend to grasp to anything that could possibly be construed as a threat or violence or something. They take no responsibility for their actions - everything is the fault of somebody else. It's disheartening, but we know the score. It would be helpful to start cataloging their insults and threats towards other people for quick access. Does this exist?

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CommanderTuvok wrote:One more thing about Seth. Although he's a gun owner, Republican leaning (I think) - he's OK as far as the Baboons are concerned because at least he's not a Libertarian like Shermer.

The Baboon element have a strange parallel to the Hard Left UK Socialist Party, where they turn on their own types far more often than the people who hold opposite political views to them. The Socialist Workers Party always seem to be engaged in witch hunts, and have had problems with "gender traitors" (women who don't toe their political line).
I myself am a leftist (moderate left by US standards: I support things like universal health care, social safety nets and while I don't demonize capitalism as a whole, I just think we need solid rules and referee policies to make it a fair playing field) and am appalled at how some of my fellow lefties are demonizing anyone who disagrees with them on political issues. I wanna take these people aside and be like "You are embarassing us, STOP!" To hear some of these types talk, you'd think Penn Jillette and Michael Shermer were planning to cause the downfall of western civilization as we know it because *OMG!* they don't agree with my particular views on tax rates for the top 5% and about socialized health care systems!

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Pretty good little shitstorm over at the A+ biased moderators thread -- Julian prolonging his flounce and Wind exposing Flewellen's Lance Armstrongish unwillingness to admit to the forum's cliquey backchannel secret/private threads and chats.

Flewellen: "Seriously, if people here wanted a space to talk privately without having to be scrutinized by the likes of the Slymepit, what would be the harm? Really?"

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... start=1350

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EdwardGemmer wrote:Professional victims tend to grasp to anything that could possibly be construed as a threat or violence or something. They take no responsibility for their actions - everything is the fault of somebody else. It's disheartening, but we know the score. It would be helpful to start cataloging their insults and threats towards other people for quick access. Does this exist?
You might check if the phawrongula wiki has one, and create one there if not.

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Here's a thought that just struck me, which is, I think, very telling.

We are seeing a CONSTANT stream of people saying, in effect:

"I was a babboollie, but gradually got fed up with what I was seeing and hearing. I heard terrible things about Teh Pitters, but when I came over here to take a look I found that the FC(n) had completely misrepresented you. Sure, it's crude, and you need a thick skin, but Pitters seem to be honest, and adult."

I have not heard of a single instance of reverse Pitflow, so to speak. (Fucking Pitmagnets, how do they work, eh?).

Can anyone name an example? (colon doesn't count, of course - s/h/it was pure wank from the get go.)

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BarnOwl wrote:
Ophelia wrote:I gotta go now. I wonder if I dare go outside…
Did she really post or tweet that?

She's from a completely different planet, AFAIC. I'd almost feel sorry for her, if she was truly that fearful, but she's such a dishonest attention-seeker.
Yep. She's already overspending her victim capital. Can't help herself, today was a grand day for her.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-423397

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Post by Turglemeister »

Apples wrote:Pretty good little shitstorm over at the A+ biased moderators thread -- Julian prolonging his flounce and Wind exposing Flewellen's Lance Armstrongish unwillingness to admit to the forum's cliquey backchannel secret/private threads and chats.

Flewellen: "Seriously, if people here wanted a space to talk privately without having to be scrutinized by the likes of the Slymepit, what would be the harm? Really?"

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... start=1350
I like :D
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If Ophelia is so frightened and traumatized by these "threats," she really should go to the police with them. If the fear of serious threats and physical harm is preventing her from going about her daily routine, then surely the police will take her case seriously.

Same with PZ - if those prank car dealership phone calls are "harmful," then the records of incoming calls should be examined, and the area code/phone number/identity of the caller can be determined. Easy, and probably doesn't even require a police investigation. Just do it and put your mind at ease.

Or keep playing harassed victim. Your choice.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Sorry, Louis is out of bound for me. He is a IRL friend, and probably the only member of the A/S web community I ever met IRL. Spent a lovely day with Ali, him and his family couple of years ago. He is, and I shall emphasize this, nothing like the usual suspects. he's a very peaceful friendly guy, and doesn't play by "internet balls". Whatever he says on a forum, he will not hesitate to say it to your face. Of all the shit that has gone downward with this rift, Louis is probably the poster and friend I miss the most (because I don't live close to his place anymore, and he doesn't really post much these days, except where I am banned).

Anyway, I just wanted to take a stand for him, because he is one hell of a cool guy. And he agrees to disagree. Often. I wish he would come here to discuss, but since that would mean instaban from Pharyngula, I guess I'll have to resign myself to reading his contributions there.
I wish he would come over here too. His posts that I've quoted are somewhat uncharacteristic of most of the rest of FTB, and I'd be totally open to butting heads with him in a discussion about all this FTB bullshit. Perhaps if he sees my posts, he'll reconsider.

Louis, if you happen to see this, get yer ass over here man. Tell FTB to fuck itself, even if your positions on feminism etc. are in line with theirs. If they ban you simply for coming over here to *disagree* with us, is that something you really want to be a part of? If you really care about being able to comment on FTB, make a totally unrelated username here, and shoot me a PM. I promise I won't "out" you, although I may convince you that here is better than there.

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Post by VickyCaramel »

Excuse my guys, I think I might be lost.

I heard that you chaps were responsible for all the evil in the world. Could somebody please direct me to the threads where you plot your diabolical schemes?

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Post by Lsuoma »

Ape+lust wrote: Yep. She's already overspending her victim capital. Can't help herself, today was a grand day for her.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-423397
Love all the comments there telling her to go to the police: she'd get thrown out on her wrinkly, saggy arse.

I know some of them may realize it, bot many may not realize that these ProVictims CAN'T inform the authorities, because that would meant that they could no longer play the threat/victimization/harassment card after their complaints were laughed off the face of the planet.
I would dearly love for them to take the complaints to the police or FBI. Now THAT would be worth watching! :popcorn:

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VickyCaramel wrote:Excuse my guys, I think I might be lost.

I heard that you chaps were responsible for all the evil in the world. Could somebody please direct me to the threads where you plot your diabolical schemes?
Oh no, we've been rumbled. In reality, Vicky, most of us look like this:

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/defaul ... 8722f0.jpg

(Except for Mykeru, of course. He's an evil cunt).

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VickyCaramel wrote:Excuse my guys, I think I might be lost.

I heard that you chaps were responsible for all the evil in the world. Could somebody please direct me to the threads where you plot your diabolical schemes?
Well, you see, we have secret backchannels where only members who have made 3+ posts and who are accepted can post. The guys go into the secret rape forum, where all plots of rapey things happen. The other one is chill girls and gender traitors, where the ladies go to plot the downfall of their oppressed sisters. We also have a Help and Support forum where you can vent about your dirty house, broken toaster, or steal *HUGS* and an order against tone trolling is in place.

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Post by Ape+lust »

BarnOwl wrote:If Ophelia is so frightened and traumatized by these "threats," she really should go to the police with them. If the fear of serious threats and physical harm is preventing her from going about her daily routine, then surely the police will take her case seriously...
Oh, that would be great.

"Sergeant, I'm going to say it again because this is serious business and you're not listening... SOMEONE TWEETED ACID AT ME."

When they throw her out, she'll have been abused by the long arm of institutionalized patriarchy. Double win! And if someone pops over and posts a Dear Muslima in her comments, she'll be writing for Slate this time next year.

Go for it, Ophelia.

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Post by John Greg »

EdwardGemmer (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 879#p51879) said:
It would be helpful to start cataloging their insults and threats towards other people for quick access. Does this exist?
Yes, it exists to some degree, See here (and feel free to participate and add your own sections): http://phawrongula.wikia.com/wiki/Phawrongula_Wiki

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Grimalkin wrote:Just wondering; You realize that slymepitters like to try to infiltrate places, correct? That if they know about something where people are discussing information that could put them in danger, they'll try to get in?
Meanwhile, the Skepchicks just hired a ninja. :lol:

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Lsuoma wrote:(Except for Mykeru, of course. He's an evil cunt).
I can't be an evil cunt. Too cheap. I would have to pay likeness royalties to Ophelia Benson.
ERV wrote:What is this I dont even
Something I can fap to. That's what that is.

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Post by VickyCaramel »

16bitheretic wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:Excuse my guys, I think I might be lost.

I heard that you chaps were responsible for all the evil in the world. Could somebody please direct me to the threads where you plot your diabolical schemes?
Well, you see, we have secret backchannels where only members who have made 3+ posts and who are accepted can post. The guys go into the secret rape forum, where all plots of rapey things happen. The other one is chill girls and gender traitors, where the ladies go to plot the downfall of their oppressed sisters. We also have a Help and Support forum where you can vent about your dirty house, broken toaster, or steal *HUGS* and an order against tone trolling is in place.
If chill girls are allowed in the rape forum, count me in.

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Post by John Greg »

Lsuoma (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 883#p51883) said:
I have not heard of a single instance of reverse Pitflow, so to speak. (Fucking Pitmagnets, how do they work, eh?).

Can anyone name an example? (colon doesn't count, of course - s/h/it was pure wank from the get go.)
Yes, in a sense. They did not leave here and move to FfTB, but they did leave here in anger and self-expressed disgust: Justi, and one or both of the Ardent Skeptics.

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VickyCaramel wrote:Excuse my guys, I think I might be lost.

I heard that you chaps were responsible for all the evil in the world. Could somebody please direct me to the threads where you plot your diabolical schemes?
Oh, here you are. Welcome to the pit.

There's only this endless thread and its now-locked forefather.All the rest is ancillary stuff.

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Post by Jonathan »

VickyCaramel wrote:
16bitheretic wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:Excuse my guys, I think I might be lost.

I heard that you chaps were responsible for all the evil in the world. Could somebody please direct me to the threads where you plot your diabolical schemes?
Well, you see, we have secret backchannels where only members who have made 3+ posts and who are accepted can post. The guys go into the secret rape forum, where all plots of rapey things happen. The other one is chill girls and gender traitors, where the ladies go to plot the downfall of their oppressed sisters. We also have a Help and Support forum where you can vent about your dirty house, broken toaster, or steal *HUGS* and an order against tone trolling is in place.
If chill girls are allowed in the rape forum, count me in.
I believe exceptions are made for chill girls with extensive knowledge of all things rape-related.

Also, welcome!

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Apples wrote:Pretty good little shitstorm over at the A+ biased moderators thread -- Julian prolonging his flounce and Wind exposing Flewellen's Lance Armstrongish unwillingness to admit to the forum's cliquey backchannel secret/private threads and chats.

Flewellen: "Seriously, if people here wanted a space to talk privately without having to be scrutinized by the likes of the Slymepit, what would be the harm? Really?"

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... start=1350
Shit's blowin' up:
julian wrote: I remember it being something like a nomination process. Someone mentions your name, they see if you've done or said anything problematic. If no one complains, you're added and can view it.

It's (from what remember) nothing sinister. Just a place where people batted around silliness and occasionally something important about their lives they'd rather be kept secret.
Flewellyn wrote:We had something like that for awhile, took it down because it wasn't deemed necessary anymore. We might establish it again if members feel the need.

Do you remember one of the other things being a rule about "Don't divulge details, or even the existence"? Because you just violated that trust.

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Ape+lust wrote:
BarnOwl wrote:If Ophelia is so frightened and traumatized by these "threats," she really should go to the police with them. If the fear of serious threats and physical harm is preventing her from going about her daily routine, then surely the police will take her case seriously...
Oh, that would be great.

"Sergeant, I'm going to say it again because this is serious business and you're not listening... SOMEONE TWEETED ACID AT ME."

When they throw her out, she'll have been abused by the long arm of institutionalized patriarchy. Double win! And if someone pops over and posts a Dear Muslima in her comments, she'll be writing for Slate this time next year.

Go for it, Ophelia.
If they were in the UK she could plausibly get him imprisoned.

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Post by LMU »

16bitheretic wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:Excuse my guys, I think I might be lost.

I heard that you chaps were responsible for all the evil in the world. Could somebody please direct me to the threads where you plot your diabolical schemes?
Well, you see, we have secret backchannels where only members who have made 3+ posts and who are accepted can post. The guys go into the secret rape forum, where all plots of rapey things happen. The other one is chill girls and gender traitors, where the ladies go to plot the downfall of their oppressed sisters. We also have a Help and Support forum where you can vent about your dirty house, broken toaster, or steal *HUGS* and an order against tone trolling is in place.
There's a black market forum where you can fence the stolen *HUGS*.

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Post by Apples »

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... start=1425

Re: Are the moderators here censorious, capricious and biased

Post by Flewellyn » Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:47 pm


Flewellyn: If you're so convinced that this secret forum exists, then surely you have evidence for it?

What is that evidence, and where did you get it?


Wind: Jesus Fuck your ability to lie is unparalleled.


Flewellyn: ANSWER THE QUESTION.

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Lsuoma wrote:...I would dearly love for them to take the complaints to the police or FBI. Now THAT would be worth watching! :popcorn:
As soon as they can get time away from educating Tina Fey. Or have they started that yet?

Those clowns never follow through on anything they come up with.

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Post by LMU »

Apples wrote:http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... start=1425

Re: Are the moderators here censorious, capricious and biased

Post by Flewellyn » Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:47 pm


Flewellyn: If you're so convinced that this secret forum exists, then surely you have evidence for it?

What is that evidence, and where did you get it?


Wind: Jesus Fuck your ability to lie is unparalleled.


Flewellyn: ANSWER THE QUESTION.
Who talked?! Who talked?! :lol:

I'm surprised Flew hasn't made a comment saying he was banning both wind and julian.

Good find Apples!

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VickyCaramel wrote:Excuse my guys, I think I might be lost.

I heard that you chaps were responsible for all the evil in the world. Could somebody please direct me to the threads where you plot your diabolical schemes?
Hmmm... it's usually more like "People do well-intentioned things that can conceivably be distorted into a diabolical scheme, and then that revised version of events is pimped out ad-nauseum brooking no dissent".

Except for on the rare occasions where somebody does something genuinely shitty. In which case the game is to use it to smear everyone here.

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I just saw that our newest member is named "Louis". Any chance that it's Phil's friend?

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Post by Tigzy »

Turglemeister wrote:
Apples wrote:Pretty good little shitstorm over at the A+ biased moderators thread -- Julian prolonging his flounce and Wind exposing Flewellen's Lance Armstrongish unwillingness to admit to the forum's cliquey backchannel secret/private threads and chats.

Flewellen: "Seriously, if people here wanted a space to talk privately without having to be scrutinized by the likes of the Slymepit, what would be the harm? Really?"

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... start=1350
I like :D
Rome is burning!
Holy shit, there's some major popcorn going down in that thread. LMFAO - a forum devoted to fighting privilege, now internally combusting over what appears to be the existence of a super-secret privileged clique.

And the Julian who wrote this:
by julian » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:50 pm
Happy to leave, flew. But one last note, you all, with your open and unashamed hostility to strangers, your willingness to be purposefully hurtful, your refusal to treat even the well intentioned ignorant people who come looking for help, are exactly why everyone hates A+. This place deserves the reputation it has, it deserves to be mocked and it deserves to be used derisiviley by everyone from actual sj workers and activists to atheist orgs and blogs.
Can't be the same 'shotgun to the mouth' Julian who wrote the book on being hostile and hurtful at the FTB boards...can it?

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LMU wrote:
Apples wrote:http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... start=1425

Re: Are the moderators here censorious, capricious and biased

Post by Flewellyn » Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:47 pm


Flewellyn: If you're so convinced that this secret forum exists, then surely you have evidence for it?

What is that evidence, and where did you get it?


Wind: Jesus Fuck your ability to lie is unparalleled.


Flewellyn: ANSWER THE QUESTION.
Who talked?! Who talked?! :lol:

I'm surprised Flew hasn't made a comment saying he was banning both wind and julian.

Good find Apples!
Wouldn't be the first time somebody got banned for not answering a question that a mod asked them.

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VickyCaramel wrote:Excuse my guys, I think I might be lost.

I heard that you chaps were responsible for all the evil in the world. Could somebody please direct me to the threads where you plot your diabolical schemes?
Sure, first you have to post me your tits via PM. I will judge them, and make a decision to divulge the secret password. Good luck.

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Lsuoma wrote: Oh no, we've been rumbled. In reality, Vicky, most of us look like this:

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/defaul ... 8722f0.jpg

(Except for Mykeru, of course. He's an evil cunt).
You know, FTB, obviously gearing up for a major harassment campaign and digging up that old Democratic Underground post brings back memories.

I can't dredge it up because I've made peace with the guy involved. But the short version is he paid money, he says, to get personal info on me and then made the mistake of saying "Your wife would be easy to spot, but I wouldn't do that because I'm a nice guy". If his intent was to get under my skin it worked, because I had a very intemperate response to that.

Which is also why P.Z. Meyers, defender of women (except for the ones it's okay to harass) will now use my defending my then wife as evidence of something or other...

Anyway, was so long ago that back then I had a pony-tail.

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Gumby wrote:"R Johnson" helpfully teaches us how we pitters arrived at atheism.
[spoiler]http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... fd5ae0.jpg[/spoiler]
The final part, "Never think for a second that they’re actually people who’ve thoughtfully come to atheism. Their atheism is unthinking and religious in nature", destroyed me irony meter.

I love how they just cast these blanket judgments...
*shrug*


Well I am going to indulge some blanket judgements myself and note that I suspect it is projection, and how they came to atheism themselves. In other words the primary motivation is political.

Their rejection of religion is the rejection of a belief system associated with their political opposition more than any other consideration.

One test for this could be what their stance is on evo psych vs evolution. At a minimum it should answer the question as to who has "outsourced" their thinking.

So they might have rejected religion, but still being religious, have substituted one god for another. In this case PeeZuss Christ is a prophet, and in the end they are no different than those who wish to kill the unbelievers.

I am open to other suggestions, but for me this theory goes a long way to explain their behaviour and attitudes. The fundies who have noticed and remarked that they are just like them may justly have a case.

YMMV

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Post by VickyCaramel »

decius wrote: Oh, here you are. Welcome to the pit.

There's only this endless thread and its now-locked forefather.All the rest is ancillary stuff.
Actually been lurking for a long, long time. Thought I should join the roll call. Numbers matter.

Jonathan wrote: I believe exceptions are made for chill girls with extensive knowledge of all things rape-related.
Ok, I'll have some of my victims write up testimonials.

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Post by AbsurdWalls »

Mykeru wrote:
Lsuoma wrote: Oh no, we've been rumbled. In reality, Vicky, most of us look like this:

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/defaul ... 8722f0.jpg

(Except for Mykeru, of course. He's an evil cunt).
You know, FTB, obviously gearing up for a major harassment campaign and digging up that old Democratic Underground post brings back memories.

I can't dredge it up because I've made peace with the guy involved. But the short version is he paid money, he says, to get personal info on me and then made the mistake of saying "Your wife would be easy to spot, but I wouldn't do that because I'm a nice guy". If his intent was to get under my skin it worked, because I had a very intemperate response to that.
Is there more info on this somewhere? I'm starting to wonder whether it might be worth giving higher-profile folks like you entries on Phawrongula to set the record straight on a few things.

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VickyCaramel wrote:
Actually been lurking for a long, long time. Thought I should join the roll call. Numbers matter.
And "taking back" the term "Chill Girl" should annoy them no end. If you can co-opt "sister punisher" too, then you've really got something.

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Post by sacha »

Cunning Punt wrote:
I've been wondering why you're so insistent on Watson lying about Elevator guy... then in my "research" I see these comments from 3 and a half years ago.
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Disingenuous, Cunning Punt. Clearly sarcasm, and I have been speaking out against Watson since 2009. This was brewing long before ElevatorGate.

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Lsuoma wrote:Here's a thought that just struck me, which is, I think, very telling.

We are seeing a CONSTANT stream of people saying, in effect:

"I was a babboollie, but gradually got fed up with what I was seeing and hearing. I heard terrible things about Teh Pitters, but when I came over here to take a look I found that the FC(n) had completely misrepresented you. Sure, it's crude, and you need a thick skin, but Pitters seem to be honest, and adult."

I have not heard of a single instance of reverse Pitflow, so to speak. (Fucking Pitmagnets, how do they work, eh?).

Can anyone name an example? (colon doesn't count, of course - s/h/it was pure wank from the get go.)
Well that's the thing Lsuoma. I drank their koolaid. I took them at their word. I used to talk like a sailor. The 'c' word was my #1 word. Along with 'bitch'. And they made me rethink that. I started thinking about rape culture ,and about how referring to women as 'bitch' can be the equivalent of hate speech. I was just getting into re-examining all of my previously held beliefs. I did not want to just dismiss their ideas, I wanted to learn, and see if there was any truth to what they are saying.

And they treated me like a steaming pile of shit for not having Feminism 101 tattooed on my fucking ass from the moment I was born. They drove away an ally with their Kafka traps . And now I see them in all their bare-faced glory, and it makes me sad. They are destroying themselves, and driving away anyone that might support them in their cause.

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