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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:42 am

All your ethnostate talk, delivered fresh.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:44 am

All your ethnostate talk, delivered fresh. Please, dear gods, keep this off the main thread.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:17 am

Oooh ooohh. A really cool vid with a a nazi bimbo talking about the idyllic crime free ethnostate.
The comments are really worth a read, they give you an idea about the crowd that Southern and Goldy are pandering to.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:49 am

free thoughtpolice wrote: Oooh ooohh. A really cool vid with a a nazi bimbo talking about the idyllic crime free ethnostate.
The comments are really worth a read, they give you an idea about the crowd that Southern and Goldy are pandering to.
Why does she seem like a right-wing Rebecca Watson to me? One must say that centrists and right-wingers are more attractive than their left-wing counterparts, though. But I will bet her Paetron is largely funded by sexually frustrated, middle-aged white guys and far-right incels.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:16 am

CFB wrote:
Why does she seem like a right-wing Rebecca Watson to me? One must say that centrists and right-wingers are more attractive than their left-wing counterparts, though. But I will bet her Paetron is largely funded by sexually frustrated, middle-aged white guys and far-right incels.
Give her and Goldy Moonglampers and danger hair and they both could be alt-right RWs. They both have have the cynical sneery, snarky delivery and like to use demeaning buzzwords. For example, while Watson may talk about men's rights manbabies Southern and Goldy like to use libtard soyboys.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:03 pm

Have you something besides this quote uttered during the war in 2014?
“Ukraine should be cleared of the idiots. Genocide of the cretins is suggested. The evil cretins are closed to the Voice of the Logos, and deadly with all their incredible stupidity. I do not believe that these are Ukrainians. Ukrainians are beautiful Slavic people. This kind of appeared out of manholes as a bastard race.”
A genocide of cretins does not meet the UN definition of a “national, ethnical, racial or religious group” :mrgreen: However I can see why the man concerns you in particular. There is a box car with your name on it.
Schism timeline: http://brive1987.wix.com/clowncar#!schism-history/py7ih
Calling them them a bastard race that he doesn't believe are true Ukrainians (that are beautiful Slavic people) doesn't qualify as an ethnic classification? So even if you want to play along with your silly game that the only true definition of genocide is the 1943 UN definition you still are wrong.
Of course you also need to argue that when your newfound hero, or at least his translator uses the word genocide and calls for it he doesn't really know what it means.
It appears that you and Steersman are the only people that understand the nuance and the rest of us just aren't smart enough to see your point.

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Post by Kirbmarc » Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:37 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: Why does she seem like a right-wing Rebecca Watson to me?
Because that's what she is. Only younger and more attractive.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:19 pm

A great number if people tell Brive they either dislike or are bored shitless by his ethnostate crap on the main thread, a shiny new thread is created for it, and he ignores it. I guess the stereotype of the rude, clueless Australian has some factual basis.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:54 pm

So you're saying you want to commit genocide on Bogans??!!

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:10 pm

I knew you ere onside. :drool:

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:17 pm

free thoughtpolice wrote: So you're saying you want to commit genocide on Bogans??!!
At this point, I'm going to take the valuable luncheon next week with my local Representative, procured with a not inconsiderable campaign donation, and instead of school reform, the topic will be Australia. I am hoping to persuade him to introduce a bill to annex Australia. Trump hate Turnbull and Australia, so there's a shot. I will propose we send our prisoners and undesirable illegal aliens there. Also, nuclear waste.

What are they gonna do? It's only Australia. Our bloated, runaway military budget will rule the day.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:19 pm

free thoughtpolice wrote: I knew you ere onside. :drool:
Oh, you know who the cunt song is for.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:52 pm

Well, Australia has been a great burden to the US as well as the rest of the civilized world. What have they ever produced? Vegemite?
Before the current crop of criminals and losers came there, the original people at least were able to invent boomerangs.
I'd say celebrate the inevitable and watch the current bunch of losers be replaced by decent, hard working Koreans and Chinese.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:32 pm

free thoughtpolice wrote: Well, Australia has been a great burden to the US as well as the rest of the civilized world. What have they ever produced? Vegemite?
Before the current crop of criminals and losers came there, the original people at least were able to invent boomerangs.
I'd say celebrate the inevitable and watch the current bunch of losers be replaced by decent, hard working Koreans and Chinese.
Australia has produced like two movies and maybe one rock band. Korea has K-Pop, Australia has A-Holes. When is the last time you heard somebody go to Australia for cultural enrichment that didn't involve Aboriginals? Never. Banjo Peterson stole his moniker from an original American instrument. I say let 'em crash.

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Post by Lsuoma » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:33 pm

This hatred and denigration of Aussies is approaching genocide. Please stop it.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:00 pm

Lsuoma wrote: This hatred and denigration of Aussies is approaching genocide. Please stop it.
Genocide is a funny word that really doesn't mean anything. If I call for a bogan genocide, that might be edgy humor or a subtle way of destroying Australian culture while leaving the vile creatures essentially intact.

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Post by Bhurzum » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:10 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: Australia has produced like two movies and maybe one rock band. Korea has K-Pop, Australia has A-Holes. When is the last time you heard somebody go to Australia for cultural enrichment that didn't involve Aboriginals? Never. Banjo Peterson stole his moniker from an original American instrument. I say let 'em
There's Australian wines...


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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:21 pm

Bhurzum wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: Australia has produced like two movies and maybe one rock band. Korea has K-Pop, Australia has A-Holes. When is the last time you heard somebody go to Australia for cultural enrichment that didn't involve Aboriginals? Never. Banjo Peterson stole his moniker from an original American instrument. I say let 'em
There's Australian wines...

The best Australian whine so far is coming from Brive. But that is a great vid I hadn't seen before and pretty hilarious.

No, seriously, my uncle has an award-winning winery and vineyard and tells me that Australian wines are vastly overrated. I can't tell, I can tell you what kinds of hops they use in beer, ales or stouts, but wine is pretty much defined by color for me. I like ciders. But wine snobbery will always be beyond my humble palate. Maybe they're right about hot sauce and taste buds.

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Post by Kirbmarc » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:25 am

Of course. They are undermining the "collective Russian identity", so they have to go. If you believe in the "collective Russian identity", traitors are the lowest form of scum. It's perfectly coherent with Dugin's philosophical premises, and with why he's so hostile to liberal democracy.

But apparently some people who live in liberal democracies are all too happy to give up their individual rights to save their dreams about their Utopian childhood when there were no pesky non-white people around.

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Post by Lsuoma » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:41 am

Kirbmarc wrote:
Of course. They are undermining the "collective Russian identity", so they have to go. If you believe in the "collective Russian identity", traitors are the lowest form of scum. It's perfectly coherent with Dugin's philosophical premises, and with why he's so hostile to liberal democracy.

But apparently some people who live in liberal democracies are all too happy to give up their individual rights to save their dreams about their Utopian childhood when there were no pesky non-white people around.
Snide remarks are not very becoming. It makes you look petty.

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Post by Kirbmarc » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:59 am

Lsuoma wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
Of course. They are undermining the "collective Russian identity", so they have to go. If you believe in the "collective Russian identity", traitors are the lowest form of scum. It's perfectly coherent with Dugin's philosophical premises, and with why he's so hostile to liberal democracy.

But apparently some people who live in liberal democracies are all too happy to give up their individual rights to save their dreams about their Utopian childhood when there were no pesky non-white people around.
Snide remarks are not very becoming. It makes you look petty.
Says the guy who build a site about mocking the SJWs.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:12 pm

I would like to have the ability to put Brive on ignore. He's just endlessly pounding on about the same points. He responds to criticism like a true SJW, either mocking or in the case of braid bitches, "sure, they're dumb, but they start a conversation."

The sad thing is that even people that mostly agree with him, but don't go as far or as draconian get his snide-ass insults and word games that fool exactly nobody. He's using libtard unironically, and has simply become another DaveDooDoo007 with videos and a slightly more articulate delivery.

And no mistake, he is coyly hinting at the loss of individual rights and a draconian interference of human liberties. He's not talking about a individual litmus test for people likely to successfully integrate. This is instead a blanket assertion that any other culture should be excluded.

You can add up his lack of support for gay marriage and his endorsement of the Church of England as the official sponsor of Australia Prime any way you like. But it sounds a lot like Peterson's ideas about the necessity of religion to me. Which is of course Peterson's weakest point and a perhaps fatal flaw to his movement.

You would think that if he felt that immigration in Australia was too high,(and I agree with him on that) he'd spend his time lobbying his government and trying to drum up support to curb it, not endlessly dropping it here, driving people away and generally boring the shit out of most everybody else.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:17 pm

Sorry for rambling, not enough coffee after a rough night. But I am more than a little sick of Brive's grandstanding.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:50 pm

CFB wrote:
I would like to have the ability to put Brive on ignore. He's just endlessly pounding on about the same points. He responds to criticism like a true SJW, either mocking or in the case of braid bitches, "sure, they're dumb, but they start a conversation."
I agree that Brive tends to argue like an SJW, however he tends not to admit just how vacuous the alt-right bimbos he worships are. I got the impression that he thinks they are great journalists that are educating people instead of just pushing Stormer-lite propaganda to cater to the Fox news crowd.

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Post by MarcusAu » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:22 am

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ...
You would think that if he felt that immigration in Australia was too high,(and I agree with him on that) he'd spend his time lobbying his government and trying to drum up support to curb it, not endlessly dropping it here, driving people away and generally boring the shit out of most everybody else.
I think he is taking to opportunity to lecture an (almost) captive audience on things that he probably does not talk about much at home.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:48 am

MarcusAu wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ...
You would think that if he felt that immigration in Australia was too high,(and I agree with him on that) he'd spend his time lobbying his government and trying to drum up support to curb it, not endlessly dropping it here, driving people away and generally boring the shit out of most everybody else.
I think he is taking to opportunity to lecture an (almost) captive audience on things that he probably does not talk about much at home.
In other words, he's using us to vent. While I appreciate people sharing their lives and troubles here (it has a humanizing effect on an otherwise distant board) there is a limit. Posting identitarian crap constantly and blathering about libtards, the Swiss and posting dumb-ass alt-right babes gets old quickly, and it's been months. If he wants validation, he should go to therapy. If he wants to actually do something constructive, like curb unsustainable levels of immigration, there are much more productive outlets for his time than posting here.

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Post by MarcusAu » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:32 am

Brive seems to enjoy being the contrarian - and can give as least as good as he gets in any argument. He also seems to be comfortable being (somewhat) right of centre and criticising those to the left of him. (Which is is most if not all of the other posters here).

Not to put too fine a point on it - this board would seem the ideal place for him to have an argument - but there are also plenty of fora out there where his opinions would be completely run of the mill.

The fact that he is still here indicates to me that he is enjoying himself.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:41 am

MarcusAu wrote: Brive seems to enjoy being the contrarian - and can give as least as good as he gets in any argument. He also seems to be comfortable being (somewhat) right of centre and criticising those to the left of him. (Which is is most if not all of the other posters here).

Not to put too fine a point on it - this board would seem the ideal place for him to have an argument - but there are also plenty of fora out there where his opinions would be completely run of the mill.

The fact that he is still here indicates to me that he is enjoying himself.
He is arguing disengenously and coyly playing with words so that he can play motte and bailey games. He's simply become the mirror image of a SJW, arguing about the collective, racial and ethnic original sin and how a bit of authoritarianism might be good for the white soul. Fuck that.

If you're in favor of ditching enlightenment values and individual rights and liberties, all for something as amorphous as a white cultural heritage, then you should be prepared for some well-earned derision.

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Post by d4m10n » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:14 pm

Brive1987 wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:19 pm
I also struggle to see how you can effectively divorce values from the social identity from which they derive and over which they have sway. So your question is poorly formed: effective values come from cogent identity.
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:25 pm

It is difficult to say how we could scientifically falsify or verify this contention (even by the relatively lax standards of political or social science) but this certainly has not been my experience.

I've known ___________ who profoundly value stability, family, and work ethic.

I've known ___________ who place far more value on near term pleasure, eschewing stability, family, and work.

You can fill in the blanks from memory with loads of group identities (e.g. Hispanic Catholics, WASPs, secular Jews, New Age hippies, Buddhist Asian-Americans) once you've gotten to know enough people.

Maybe I'm mischaracterizing what you're really getting at, though. Which specific values flow from "traditional identity," whatever that means?
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Does this help?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDouXeHQ7s4
I'm afraid so. :bjarte:

I don't find Spencer remotely persuasive, of course, but at least he lays (pipes) out where Breeve is coming from on this topic.

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Post by Kirbmarc » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:19 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDouXeHQ7s4

It's interesting how Spencer redefines all politics as identity politics. Kind of similar to how the SocJus redefines every interaction in terms of politics, and so in terms of the "Oppressor/Oppressed".

Another interesting point is that Spencer also refers to the "implicit white identity politics" of the past which he argues has been rendered moot by immigration. Spencer likely refers to the "white only immigration" and the nativism of the American past (which he yearns for).

But that wasn't "white" identity politics, at least not in the terms that we define as "white". Before World War Two were quotas for Jews and there had been at times quotas for Italians, and in a previous era, in the first half of the 20th century, there had been anti-Irish nativism. If we go further back to the 19th century the Ku Klux Klan, and the Know-Nothing Party before them, pursued policies of nativism and exclusion towards Jews, Italians, Irish, and basically anyone who wasn't Anglo or at least French Huguenot (at various times there were anti-German, anti-Pole, even anti-Swedish identity politics).

This shows that even "white" identity politics evolved through time. The Nazis didn't have a "white" identity policy, either: they cast out the Eastern Slavs as Untermenschen, for example, even though today the alt-right is fascinated by Russia.

It's interesting to notice how Spencer himself found out about the limits of his "pan-white" identity politics:
During a 2014 speaking tour in Hungary, Spencer was mocked by the Hungarian Népszabadság for his claim to be a "racial European"; Spencer had dismissed the more distinctively Hungarian (as opposed to "white") racial identity as a "fantasy," and called for "European unity" through a new polity resembling the Roman Empire. [25] In the aftermath of the controversy, Spencer was banned from Hungary, and publicly condemned by nationalist president Viktor Orbán.[26]
The reality is that if we accept that "all politics is identity politics" then we also have to accept that "identity" itself changes through time and space. Spencer's "pan-white" ideas are relatively recent, and would look ridiculous to the fans of "implicit white identity politics" that he admires so much.

IF all politics is identity politics AND all identities change, then we might as well pick the "identity" that ensures the peaceful coexistence and the improvement of the people who live under a specific political regime. Namely the "civic nationalism" that Spencer and his ilk hate so much.

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Post by Kirbmarc » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:56 pm

I won't deny it, knowing that Spencer was booed by Hungarian racial identitarians for preaching "white identity" is very funny.

"Fellow whites, I come to bring you a message of unity among the European race"

"Yes, yes, we know. But what about the Romanians? Those cheeky bastards aren't white, am I right? And don't get me started about the Poles. And the Germans, we hate them too. The Hungarians are fierce Ugro-Finnic people, our brothers are in Finland and Estonia"

"This a fantasy, white camarades! There is no "Hungarian" race-"

"What do you think, you American cunt? That we don't know who we are? We're proud steppe people, warriors, not farmers who sucked the teats of a cow while we were sucking the tits of their wives. Attila for the win! Rape, pillage and burn!"

"We whites need to stay together, or we will perish!"

"Well, I'll tell you, smartass: we're not mixing our Hungarian genes with the likes of the Romanian. Or the Poles. Maybe the Swedes, but only if they're hot. But the Finns are much better anyway, they're our long lost cousins"

"But...but...we are One Big Happy Race! We're all brothers in Whitehood"

"You got whitehood all up your yankee ass, boy. We don't give a shit. Hungary first, always"

"I'm not a yankee, I'm a racial European"

"Say WHAT? Are you retarded? There's no such thing, you moron! Hungarians are a race, Europe is a continent, asswipe. A continent that, we, the descendants of the Huns, have conquered and plundered. Maybe there's some Hungarian genes here and there, but that was because of what you do with pillage and burn, if you know what we mean. And we mean FUCKING YOUR WIVES. Like me, I'm a stud, I fuck three women per week. No, wait, seven women for week. No, wait, fourteen"

"But Hungary can't survive on its own! We need some white unified political entity, something along the lines of the Roman Empire"

"What the FUCKING FUCK? We've created this movement to get OUT of the control of European Union, and you want to bring us back into some White Union? Are you really THIS dense? Were you dropped as a child or did you smoke crack before coming here? Fuck off and die, you ignorant American dick. Go back to your disease-infested hellhole"

[Spencer leaves the scene]

"Man, the nerve of that guy. Saying that we're all the same in Europe! And what we all that shit about a Roman Empire. I'm in this movement for bitching about the European Union and for the pussy."

"Yeah, what a liberal snowflake. He didn't even want to accept that we Hungarians are a different race. Fuck him, he's a secret libtard"

"...speaking of which, couldn't we have invited some neo-nazi chick? At least those are hot. You said you're in the movement for the pussy, but I haven't seen a single woman here in years..."

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:15 pm

Kirb, thanks for posting here. I'm seeing a distinct lack of Aussie identitarians here, possibly through a lack of testicular fortitude. We shall see.

Brive's brilliant plan- the left is wacky, so we must not be reasonable, but just as wacky! This won't alienate people who might otherwise be open to curbing massive, in-integrated immigration. No, just because it mostly flopped on the Muslim-skeptic pit is surely no indicator that it will fail with the general population and politicians. They're always open to the idea of white genocide and ethnostate, heck, what reasonable soul isn't? I guess we're just shortsighted for not embracing the completely reasonable ideas of genociding Ukrainians and not seeing that ethnostate and genocide are fuzzy terms that people of all colors and backgrounds should embrace. Talk about a value-based system!

So Brive really needs to take this winning approach public. Letters to the editor, guest Op-Eds, maybe even not just acting like his avatar on the pit, but getting his cardboard sign and yelling at cars. All of which will get his message out so much clearer than his incessant ranting on the pit.

Why the fuck is it so important to Brive to grandstand here? Only he can answer that.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:20 am

Alright, this thread isn't being used for its stated purpose, so maybe it's time for Aussie jokes-

What's the difference between yogurt and Australia?

Yogurt has culture.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:24 am

What's the difference between an Australian wedding and a funeral?

One less drunk at the funeral.

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Post by MarcusAu » Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:38 am

On the topic of people shifting if not rightwards - then at least in an alt-right direction - I saw this interview with Simon Harris the other day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE1LHr713sM

His videos have been posted on the 'pyt a couple of times - and I've previously enjoyed his perspective on things.

As the vid shows - he has become woke to the Jewish Question, and the fact that Hitchens (and perhaps et al) were/are Zionist shills.

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Post by MarcusAu » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:06 am

Ethnostate indoctrination video posted below...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy4IIMVAUHw

...mainly because it includes a cameo by Dick York of Bewitched & Inherit the Wind fame (at least I think it's him).

As early as the 90's in films like Pleasantville young people were expressing nostalgia for such times.

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Post by Brive1987 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:15 pm

MarcusAu wrote: Brive seems to enjoy being the contrarian - and can give as least as good as he gets in any argument. He also seems to be comfortable being (somewhat) right of centre and criticising those to the left of him. (Which is is most if not all of the other posters here).

Not to put too fine a point on it - this board would seem the ideal place for him to have an argument - but there are also plenty of fora out there where his opinions would be completely run of the mill.

The fact that he is still here indicates to me that he is enjoying himself.
I simply don’t like seeing clever people I deeply care for saying dumb things after thinking dumb thoughts.

To cross post:

We know from study after study that diversity reduces social cohesion.
We know collectives out perform individuals.
We know people tend to congregate with peers of similar values and outlooks.
We treasure the global diversity of purely expressed local cultures.
We know ever expanding first world economies are unsustainable.
We can see the capitalist ponzi economies for what they are.
We see SJW tardism, which is the ultimate expression of liberal selfism
We see the relentless resilience of imported cultures and values.

The correct model needs to operate within these known knowns. And it will be closer to alt right than tard-left.

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Re: The Ethnostate Thread!

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Post by Steersman » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:03 pm

Brive1987 wrote:
MarcusAu wrote: Brive seems to enjoy being the contrarian - and can give as least as good as he gets in any argument. He also seems to be comfortable being (somewhat) right of centre and criticising those to the left of him. (Which is is most if not all of the other posters here).

Not to put too fine a point on it - this board would seem the ideal place for him to have an argument - but there are also plenty of fora out there where his opinions would be completely run of the mill.

The fact that he is still here indicates to me that he is enjoying himself.
I simply don’t like seeing clever people I deeply care for saying dumb things after thinking dumb thoughts.

To cross post:

We know from study after study that diversity reduces social cohesion.
"cohering" around, say, Islam is not particularly admirable.
Brive1987 wrote: We know collectives out perform individuals.
Nazi Germany was a collective that didn't "outperform" other ones - made up of individuals. Collectives are hardly panaceas and, in extremis, when pushed to the wall, are hardly better than cancer. Some care and delicacy required in balancing "the needs of the many" against "the needs of the few" - the needs of individuals. Process not at all helped by trying to impose collectives based on artificial and contrived superficialities.
Brive1987 wrote: We know people tend to congregate with peers of similar values and outlooks.
Hardly proof that those "values and outlooks" are worth a pinch of coonshit.
Brive1987 wrote: We treasure the global diversity of purely expressed local cultures.
We know ever expanding first world economies are unsustainable.
We can see the capitalist ponzi economies for what they are.
You might have a point or two there.
Brive1987 wrote: We see SJW tardism, which is the ultimate expression of liberal selfism.
Ipse dixit. Papal Encyclical courtesy of Pope Brive1987.
Brive1987 wrote: We see the relentless resilience of imported cultures and values.

Maybe. Some more problematic than others. And even the worst - Islam, by a country mile - is being challenged at every turn; see Tommy Robinson & Douglas Murray.
Brive1987 wrote: The correct model needs to operate within these known knowns. And it will be closer to alt right than tard-left.
"Accentuate the positive ..."

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Re: The Ethnostate Thread!

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Post by KiwiInOz » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:17 pm

I haven't watched the video, but she does have the right to bare arms.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:32 pm

Brive1987 wrote:
MarcusAu wrote: Brive seems to enjoy being the contrarian - and can give as least as good as he gets in any argument. He also seems to be comfortable being (somewhat) right of centre and criticising those to the left of him. (Which is is most if not all of the other posters here).

Not to put too fine a point on it - this board would seem the ideal place for him to have an argument - but there are also plenty of fora out there where his opinions would be completely run of the mill.

The fact that he is still here indicates to me that he is enjoying himself.
I simply don’t like seeing clever people I deeply care for saying dumb things after thinking dumb thoughts.

To cross post:

We know from study after study that diversity reduces social cohesion.
We know collectives out perform individuals.
We know people tend to congregate with peers of similar values and outlooks.
We treasure the global diversity of purely expressed local cultures.
We know ever expanding first world economies are unsustainable.
We can see the capitalist ponzi economies for what they are.
We see SJW tardism, which is the ultimate expression of liberal selfism
We see the relentless resilience of imported cultures and values.

The correct model needs to operate within these known knowns. And it will be closer to alt right than tard-left.
So let's get to brass tacks, shall we?

It is idiocy to call it white genocide. You will only align yourself with the craziest nutters and will alienate people that might otherwise be sympathetic. See the Trump effect. There is a commonly understood definition of genocide that does not include being out-bred. It is called evolution, and it is not fair.

Ethnostate is another word that has a commonly understood meaning. Using it in word-play is a certain way to alienate otherwise sympathetic people and convince the rest you are a fellow nutter.

I actually agree with many of your positions, but insisting that because the UN, that august institution that honors Zoe Quinn and Sarkesian, ill-defines a word, that makes it open to interpretation is nonsense.

In fairness, I think that you are exaggerating the problem, but I agree the problem exists. Curbing immigration is an achievable goal, but not by resorting to demagogues that drive people to the other side. Realistic solutions that do not abrogate basic human rights.

My 2 cents.

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:25 am

Thank you for the conciliatory vibe.

I’ve never championed the use of “white genocide”. I explained that Goldy herself acknowledged it was hyperbole and her video wasn’t on the subject.

I tried to point out that the alt-right usage was leverage of an existing debate that operated outside the whole racial-ideological arena. The sociologists, historians and to a degree, law makers are trying to lock down a term for their own technical explanatory purposes. The whole atrocity -> crime against humanity -> genocidal act -> genocide conundrum. They would be amused/annoyed to see the debate spilling over into Collette territory.

My crankiness was that you guys couldn’t see this as a legitimate (if esoteric) dialog because of the colour and movement injected by the racialists.

So yes, there is a (tenuousj basis to their use. The practical definition is shit. But they are also unashamedly kicking the can along too hard and too far for click bait and/or propagandistic shock purposes. In this they are a dog with an ill gotten bone. I can smile and wink at Goldy’s reach, it’s more a wry smile at Collette.

I’d also take issue with the idea that I’m a fan of “ethnostate”.

I think that was more a term Kirb injected as a well poisoner and I quite happily shoved back in his face given the Swiss approach to multi cultures.

The concept of Australia as an ethnostate is weird language. It sounds very Spencerian. And probably suited to Latvia more that New South Wales. I think I have always argued for the predominately western mix, the ex-colonial made good essentialism that makes (made) us a uniquely distinctive nation. I don’t know if that’s an “ethnostate”. To me it would simply be a return to normalcy.

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:42 am

To answer Marcus’ question. I’ve been posting because I don’t understand you and I want base test my forming opinions.

We put shit on the SJWs for introducing new formative ideologies to contextualise our world - patriarchy, privilege and crap like that. In the process they seek to deconstruct our reality with new think.

Meanwhile multiculturalism, SJWism and capitalism is doing exactly the same thing. Dismantling the bricks that had defined mutually aligned people into societies and ‘teams’. Mostly using privilege and racism as tools of trade.

But indifference, fear of the more extreme opponents and a seemingly radical adherence to extreme liberalism means we celebrate this process.

I just don’t get it. So I post examples of this dynamic with an implicit “WTF”.

And I get Kirb. :bjarte:

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Post by MarcusAu » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:01 am

I'm not sure how much stock you should put in my long range internet psychoanalysis of your motives, Brive. Being that they are flavoured by my perception of you and an Australian - and therefore someone that likes to stir the shit or poke the borax on occassion. And because - fuck it - I don't even really know you.

The alt-right / alt-light distinction is an interesting one though. I'm not sure it makes much sense as the groups don't really seem to exist in great numbers except on the Internet. And even there the barrier between them is porous at best. See Lauren Southerns characterisaton of Richard Spencer as being 'misunderstood' (made on the Rubin Report) or Faith Goldy's interactions with J F Gairape for instance. Does the alt-light even have thought (as opposed to 'thot') leaders or is it getting it's philosopy as trickle-down from the alt-right?

In which case I'd have to ask everyone: "Have you even read Locke Loki The Culture of Critique by Kevin MacDonald?"

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Post by KiwiInOz » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:44 am

MarcusAu wrote: I'm not sure how much stock you should put in my long range internet psychoanalysis of your motives, Brive. Being that they are flavoured by my perception of you and an Australian - and therefore someone that likes to stir the shit or poke the borax on occassion. And because - fuck it - I don't even really know you.

The alt-right / alt-light distinction is an interesting one though. I'm not sure it makes much sense as the groups don't really seem to exist in great numbers except on the Internet. And even there the barrier between them is porous at best. See Lauren Southerns characterisaton of Richard Spencer as being 'misunderstood' (made on the Rubin Report) or Faith Goldy's interactions with J F Gairape for instance. Does the alt-light even have thought (as opposed to 'thot') leaders or is it getting it's philosopy as trickle-down from the alt-right?

In which case I'd have to ask everyone: "Have you even read Locke Loki The Culture of Critique by Kevin MacDonald?"
I always saw it as Brive conducting an extended thought exercise using the Pit as the sounding board. That and taking the piss along the way.

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Post by d4m10n » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:45 am

Brive1987 wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:15 pm
We know from study after study that diversity reduces social cohesion.
What was the time frame on these studies? Intergenerational assimilation takes at least one generation, from what I’ve seen. Ever seen kids translating for their parents? This is commonplace in parts of the U.S. but I’m guessing it happens down under as well.
Brive1987 wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:15 pm
We know collectives out perform individuals.
No, we really don’t.
Brive1987 wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:15 pm
We know people tend to congregate with peers of similar values and outlooks.
Not a good thing.

https://hbr.org/2016/11/why-diverse-teams-are-smarter
Brive1987 wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:15 pm
We treasure the global diversity of purely expressed local cultures.
I can only properly treasure Thai cuisine when people are free to move from Thailand to where I happen to live. Same goes for gyros and shawarma, mutatis mutandis.
Brive1987 wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:15 pm
We know ever expanding first world economies are unsustainable.
Going to need to see what metrics you are using, here. I expect it is possible to make the entire world “first world” in the long term, with enough automation and sustainable population levels.

Brive1987 wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:15 pm
We can see the capitalist ponzi economies for what they are.
Marxism lost, get over it.
Brive1987 wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:15 pm
We see SJW tardism, which is the ultimate expression of liberal selfism
Intersectional social justice ultimately hinges on collective identity, ascribing the evils of individuals to the group as a whole. Call that “selfism” at the risk of utter incoherence.
Brive1987 wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:15 pm
We see the relentless resilience of imported cultures and values.
No, we really don’t. My daughter might not even get her own quinceañera, after merely two generations of assimilation. But seriously, what are you actually talking about here? Ghettoization? Ethnic enclaves?

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Re: The Ethnostate Thread!

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:23 am

Brive wrote:
I’ve never championed the use of “white genocide”. I explained that Goldy herself acknowledged it was hyperbole and her video wasn’t on the subject
You do understand what hyperbole means right? Hyperbole is something like "I am so hungry I could eat a horse". The statement is made with the understanding that it shouldn't be taken seriously. The Daily Stormer crew doesn't use terms like white genocide in the spirit of hyperbole, they use it to stir up their base and to take seriously that the bad outsiders are out to get them. Goldy uses that term and also uses other jargon that is used pretty much exclusively by the extreme right/fascist crew like ethnostate, libtard, and others and she isn't joking and playing word games.
She is doing it to curry favor with and to attract right wing extremists, like she did when she gave that really friendly interview with the Daily Stormer.
She even went too far for professional right wing propagandist and her former mentor Ezra Levant. He understands full well that her rhetoric isn't a clever parody and has headed in really hateful direction.
She isn't an honest journalist, she leaves out facts that don't support her politics even when she is fully aware of them and they are crucial to getting an accurate picture of the situation.
I tried to explain that to you and I got this song and dance about how I needed to pay attention to her to understand what is happening in Canada, really rich coming from someone I'm guessing has never even been here, and knows less than nothing about the situation because apparently the only reporting on the subject you seem to have seen is from a highly biased and dishonest group of internet clickwhores.

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:22 pm

KiwiInOz wrote:
MarcusAu wrote: I'm not sure how much stock you should put in my long range internet psychoanalysis of your motives, Brive. Being that they are flavoured by my perception of you and an Australian - and therefore someone that likes to stir the shit or poke the borax on occassion. And because - fuck it - I don't even really know you.

The alt-right / alt-light distinction is an interesting one though. I'm not sure it makes much sense as the groups don't really seem to exist in great numbers except on the Internet. And even there the barrier between them is porous at best. See Lauren Southerns characterisaton of Richard Spencer as being 'misunderstood' (made on the Rubin Report) or Faith Goldy's interactions with J F Gairape for instance. Does the alt-light even have thought (as opposed to 'thot') leaders or is it getting it's philosopy as trickle-down from the alt-right?

In which case I'd have to ask everyone: "Have you even read Locke Loki The Culture of Critique by Kevin MacDonald?"
I always saw it as Brive conducting an extended thought exercise using the Pit as the sounding board. That and taking the piss along the way.
A good debate and a challenge to demonstrate the argument for what I’ve described as wet liberal society. And to torment Kirb.

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:33 pm

I’ve got an essay to write this weekend, but some dibs and dabs ....

This was a huge diversity study that so concerned its author he lost it down the Sofa for years.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/05/worl ... 86248.html

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Post by Kirbmarc » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:41 pm

Brive1987 wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote:
MarcusAu wrote: I'm not sure how much stock you should put in my long range internet psychoanalysis of your motives, Brive. Being that they are flavoured by my perception of you and an Australian - and therefore someone that likes to stir the shit or poke the borax on occassion. And because - fuck it - I don't even really know you.

The alt-right / alt-light distinction is an interesting one though. I'm not sure it makes much sense as the groups don't really seem to exist in great numbers except on the Internet. And even there the barrier between them is porous at best. See Lauren Southerns characterisaton of Richard Spencer as being 'misunderstood' (made on the Rubin Report) or Faith Goldy's interactions with J F Gairape for instance. Does the alt-light even have thought (as opposed to 'thot') leaders or is it getting it's philosopy as trickle-down from the alt-right?

In which case I'd have to ask everyone: "Have you even read Locke Loki The Culture of Critique by Kevin MacDonald?"
I always saw it as Brive conducting an extended thought exercise using the Pit as the sounding board. That and taking the piss along the way.
A good debate and a challenge to demonstrate the argument for what I’ve described as wet liberal society. And to torment Kirb.
You're kind of obsessing about me, dude, you cite my name in half of your posts. That ain't healthy. I'm just a random stranger on the Internet. If I am your nemesis your life is pretty boring.

We don't really know each other. To me you're just a username and an avatar on a small forum, just like me to you. You seem to feel some nostalgia for your past, as it happens to anyone. I think you might take it too far, but at the end of the day you're just a person with some ideas I disagree with on the Internet. Big deal.

The problem with the right-wing shift of this place isn't a personal one. You might be the one who's posting more videos of right-wing propagandists, but others appreciate them too, or agree with them. Which is concerning to me since this is allegedly a skeptic forum. It's like being concerned with the SocJus infestation of atheist/skeptic spaces. It's a matter of a general mindset, of a zeitgeist, not a personal feud.

Lauren Southern, or Faith Goldy, or Brittany Pettibone, on the other hand, are FAR more influential than me or you. And they're spreading (willingly or not) ideas that shade into neo-fascism, into justifications for authoritarianism, for discriminatory behavior based on ethnicity, for dismantling some liberal democratic institutions, on very flimsy basis, and with a big dose of exaggerations, simplifications, essentialism, and collective guilt. This isn't a good thing.

That's pretty much it. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.

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Post by MarcusAu » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:47 pm

This is the ethnostate thread.

Who let you in Kirb?

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Post by Lsuoma » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:49 pm

FFS, Gold-boy - he LIVES in an ethnostate...

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Post by MarcusAu » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:52 pm

Lsuoma wrote: FFS, Gold-boy - he LIVES in an ethnostate...
The question stands.

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Post by Kirbmarc » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:56 pm

Lsuoma wrote: FFS, Gold-boy - he LIVES in an ethnostate...
No, I don't. There are plenty of non-white people living in Switzerland.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:38 pm

I assume FT isn't being serious as to calling Switzerland an ethnostate.
By definition an ethnostate is a country that is run for the interests of a single racial, religious, or language group (ethnicity).
I'm not aware of Swiss discrimination against a racial or religious group and their insistence on immigrants being able to speak the local language and culture is hardly a rare or unreasonable standard for getting citizenship or residence.
IMHO using ethnostate in this instance is at best a stretch, not far from calling Muscato a woman.

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:13 pm

free thoughtpolice wrote: I assume FT isn't being serious as to calling Switzerland an ethnostate.
By definition an ethnostate is a country that is run for the interests of a single racial, religious, or language group (ethnicity).
I'm not aware of Swiss discrimination against a racial or religious group and their insistence on immigrants being able to speak the local language and culture is hardly a rare or unreasonable standard for getting citizenship or residence.
IMHO using ethnostate in this instance is at best a stretch, not far from calling Muscato a woman.
Is that the UN version?

The one I got from the man in the street for ethnic nationalism was
Ethnic nationalism, also known as ethno-nationalism, is a form of nationalism wherein the nation is defined in terms of ethnicity. The central theme of ethnic nationalists is that "nations are defined by a shared heritage, which usually includes a common language, a common faith, and a common ethnic ancestry".
Sounds just like Swiss immigration rules a when you consider how many Italians and Germans make up the “foreign” population.

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