Sins of the Clintons/Deep State
Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:58 am
You thought Trump was bad? What about Killary? Or the swamp creatures from the deep state?
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Exactly. It's idiocy, not worthy of your time.deLurch wrote:On the subject of Hillary mysterious deaths & Hillary Raped me stuff, this stuff tends to be pushed out by the tin-foil-hat brigade. I won't take it seriously until someone with at least some level of reputation & standing addresses it.
I just saved myself a shitload of time.
Speaking of "real probably true Clinton shady businesss" ....free thoughtpolice wrote:Some real probably true Clinton shady business:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factor_8: ... od_Scandal
A friend of mine died from hepatitis likely from tainted blood from this source.
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Is Russiagate Really Hillarygate?
Paul Roderick Gregory, CONTRIBUTOR
According to an insider account, the Clinton team, put together the Russia Gate narrative within 24 hours of her defeat. The Clinton account explained that Russian hacking and election meddling caused her unexpected loss. ....
The most under covered story of Russia Gate is the interconnection between the Clinton campaign, an unregistered foreign agent of Russia headquartered in DC (Fusion GPS), and the Christopher Steele Orbis dossier. This connection has raised the question of whether Kremlin prepared the dossier as part of a disinformation campaign to sow chaos in the US political system. If ordered and paid for by Hillary Clinton associates, Russia Gate is turned on its head as collusion between Clinton operatives (not Trump’s) and Russian intelligence. Russia Gate becomes Hillary Gate.
Neither the New York Times, Washington Post, nor CNN has covered this explosive story. Two op-eds have appeared in the Wall Street Journal (Holman Jenkins and David Satter). The possible Russian-intelligence origins of the Steele dossier have been raised only in conservative publications, such as in The Federalist and National Review. ....
Hillary’s Climate of Hate
She’s an evil, crooked, self-centered, corrupt heap of incompetence. Who are the haters? Who are the autocrats? Who are the serial abusers of power?
Only one presidential candidate has wielded the sledgehammer of government against personal enemies. Only one presidential candidate has exploited a spouse’s public office to exact revenge on political dissenters.
Only one presidential candidate has a quarter-century track record of taxpayer-subsidized demagoguery and class warfare.
And, as the most recent undercover investigation by James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas revealed this past week, only one presidential candidate has been directly linked to a scheme to foment chaos and violence at her opponent’s rallies. ....
Clinton is a lot smarter than Trump, and has likely avoided being involved in any crime or direct collusion with foreign powers, especially powers which are seen as hostile to American interests, but the Dems and their "swamp" are not incredibly less corrupt than the "Trump swamp". It's the nature of politics :bjarte:free thoughtpolice wrote:https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/ ... 5?lo=ap_b1
Hmmmm....Kirbmarc wrote:Clinton is a lot smarter than Trump, and has likely avoided being involved in any crime or direct collusion with foreign powers, especially powers which are seen as hostile to American interests, but the Dems and their "swamp" are not incredibly less corrupt than the "Trump swamp". It's the nature of politics :bjarte:free thoughtpolice wrote:https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/ ... 5?lo=ap_b1
The problem with Trump, from a purely apolitical and only pragmatic point of view, is that he's a "fucking moron" who doesn't know when to shut up. Politically Trump is bad on environmental issues, healthcare, tax policy and mediocre to bad in foreign policy. Ideologically he has failed to distance himself from the "alt-right", and is at the very least friendly to the "alt-lite" (the Bannon Huntingtonians concerned about a clash of civilizations). All in all it's a disaster, but so was George W. Bush and now he's been rehabilitated :bjarte:
Manafort and his lacky are fucked and they deserves what they get... what cunts. Popadopoulos looks like a small player, but I am holding back any prediction. He will probably get a light sentence. Is there a real tie to Trump?... maybe... but I don't think so.free thoughtpolice wrote:Fucked up the quote. My words begin after the Bjarte.
I think the worse thing they had on Papadapolous was lying to the FBI. Just speculating, but I think there is a good possibility that he could testify that others higher up in the campaign knew things that they later lied about.John D wrote:and... politicians usually get in more trouble for the lie than the actual crime......
I've just been watching Suits, and I can believe it (although corporate raider investment bankers have just gazumped the lawyers).Kirbmarc wrote:The real Deep State are Big Law corporations, and they own both Reps and Dems. :bjarte:
Impunity. Zero accountability. People get comfortable with lying and not paying taxes because nobody is ever caught or punished...until they are.free thoughtpolice wrote:What I find surprising is that seasoned swamp dwellers like both Manafort and Tony Podesta were sloppy enough not to report their foreign activities, which I gather isn't illegal in itself but is if it isn't reported.
So far, the most serious charges against Manafort is tax evasion from his foreign work and not the work itself. Apparently he could get 20 years in prison for that.
The Deep State is a combination of lobbyists, corporate lawyers, corporate raiders, Big Bankers, etc. It works exactly like you explain, through a system of policies that creates rewards for cronies and cushy jobs for ex-politicians.free thoughtpolice wrote:How about the deep state being lobbyists. The sort of cabal that gets elected, gets lobbied, obeys lobbyists and is later rewarded by getting the job of a a lobbyist. On a micro scale, someone gets elected as town mayor, His progressive policies allow zoning changes that benefit a property development company. After a few terms they retire from politics to spend more time with their family and also work for or get a partnership with the local developer.
In federal system the same, only on a larger scale.
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How about:John D wrote: Hmmmm....
environment.... stopping the creeping Federal over-reach and telling the world the US is not a donor country... B+
healthcare.... blowing up Obamacare so we can try some better alternatives.... B-
tax policy... reducing corporate tax rates and fixing the give back to high tax states... A
foreign policy.... telling the world that Israel is our friend and that we will reward loyal allies.... B+
alt right - friendly to normal and traditional Americans.... B
Fuck... I am glad you where never my teacher... I would have flunked out... haha :lol:Kirbmarc wrote:How about:John D wrote: Hmmmm....
environment.... stopping the creeping Federal over-reach and telling the world the US is not a donor country... B+
healthcare.... blowing up Obamacare so we can try some better alternatives.... B-
tax policy... reducing corporate tax rates and fixing the give back to high tax states... A
foreign policy.... telling the world that Israel is our friend and that we will reward loyal allies.... B+
alt right - friendly to normal and traditional Americans.... B
Environment: nominating a series of science denialists to office, gutting the EPA, creating a huge mess in the recovery in Puerto Rico. D-
Healthcare: gutting the ACA with no clear replacement in sight. D
Tax policy: more trickle-down economics bullshit, reducing taxes to corporate interests who won't invest in creating US jobs anyways. C-
Foreign policy: on one hand leaving the Syria quagmire and killing the TPP (see, I can acknowledge when Trump does something right, even if I think he's terrible overall), on the other increasing tensions with North Korea and Iran, carrying on and expanding on the toxic alliance with the Saudis, repeatedly putting his foot in his mouth and compromising America's credibility as a reliable international player (the infamous Mexican wall, saying that Qatar is the only bad guy, etc. etc.) C+
Alt right: friendly to people with no real solutions but lots of illiberal ideas and slogans, lowering the bar for politics just like Clinton did with the SocJus, creating more meaningless friction about identity issues C-
I'm probably young enough to be your son. No disrespect, sir.John D wrote:Fuck... I am glad you where never my teacher... I would have flunked out... haha :lol:
Well...the problem is that global warming also doesn't give two shits about our desires.I guess it is all about what you prioritize. I don't give two shits about global warming and have little interest in the US slowing down our economy to help other countries have lower fuel costs. Everyone should have low fuel costs and the market should determine prices. Obama stretched Federal control too far in many cases and I am pleased that Trump tore up some stuff.
Was it necessary to completely tear the Affordable Care Act apart to do so, though? Even Trump himself seemed to think that certain parts of the ACA were OK at the beginning of his presidency. Also now the fate of US healthcare is in a virtual limbo before the GOP can get its act together and pass something even remotely coherent, which with all the other issues on play might take quite a long time. This isn't very good to say the least.I was always skeptical about Obamacare, but thought it would at least move us toward a potentially better system. Well, it actually made most things worse in the healthcare system. Congress never put in any cost controls and it looks like they never will. At least with Trump people are starting to talk about cost controls.
I'm pretty sure that some degree of tension between the US and Iran/North Korea would have happened anyway, but isn't it better to speak softly and carry a big stick rather than to promise "fire and fury" but then only delivering tweets?I think it is a good thing to have tensions with Iran and North Korea. His pompous chest-beating doesn't bother me one bit. I actually think it helps the situation in many ways.
Fighting fire with fire can get the entire forest burnt if one isn't careful, and Trump really doesn't look like the type to be trusted with handling a complex cultural issues like identity politics.And... while I am no fan of identity politics, I think the only solution to destroying identity politics is if whites start playing the identity game. Let the games begin. Eventually people will get tired of identity politics and we can move into a more reasonable space. This gets worse before it gets better... so be it.
So... look at what this is saying. It is saying that ALL of the hurricane damage in the last decade is a direct result of global warming. This is complete and utter shit. They don't even bother to account for the fact that the prior five years had record LOW levels of tropical storm and hurricane damage. Maybe this is impacted by warming.... but this "report" blames all hurricane damage of warming. And this shit is reported like it is science.The fallout from this year’s record hurricane season comes as a new study finds extreme weather fueled by climate change has cost the U.S. economy at least $240 billion a year over the last decade—and that’s before an estimated $300 billion in losses from Hurricanes Harvey, Irma and Maria are factored in. The report from the Universal Ecological Fund predicts the cost of climate change to the U.S. is expected to rise to at least $360 billion annually over the next decade.
"Orangeutan"?Kirbmarc wrote:Elizabeth Warren: the 2016 Democratic Campaign was rigged for Hillary Clinton...and Clinton still managed to screw up the general election and get the Orangeutan elected.
Congratulations, Hillary!
And this is why we require engagement at the scale of governments and nations to drive change in a direction that enables us to reduce the rate at which we are pumping CO2 and other GHG into the atmosphere, particularly through modern energy systems, while adapting our food production systems for different weather and climatic conditions.John D wrote:Of course, global warming doesn't give a shit about my feelings. But, I would claim a counter argument that my feels can do almost nothing to stop global warming. I am pretty sure that the efforts to reduce CO2 in the Paris Accord was not enough to even make a difference to the climate. I am kind of fatalistic about climate change. Of course, human action is changing the climate. But, I don't think we will ever be able to change the behavior of the world enough to stop the change. I think it is something we will have to live with.
Trump is worse than Hillary if that is what you are asking in a typically roundabout way.Still think, did you ever think, that Trump was not the lesser of two evils?
Fuck it man. The planet is warning up. Get used to it and stop complaining about it.KiwiInOz wrote:And this is why we require engagement at the scale of governments and nations to drive change in a direction that enables us to reduce the rate at which we are pumping CO2 and other GHG into the atmosphere, particularly through modern energy systems, while adapting our food production systems for different weather and climatic conditions.John D wrote:Of course, global warming doesn't give a shit about my feelings. But, I would claim a counter argument that my feels can do almost nothing to stop global warming. I am pretty sure that the efforts to reduce CO2 in the Paris Accord was not enough to even make a difference to the climate. I am kind of fatalistic about climate change. Of course, human action is changing the climate. But, I don't think we will ever be able to change the behavior of the world enough to stop the change. I think it is something we will have to live with.
Oh, well, that's your opinion of course. And you're entirely welcome to it, though I don't see that you've put much if any evidence on the table to show that's the case.free thoughtpolice wrote:Trump is worse than Hillary if that is what you are asking in a typically roundabout way.Still think, did you ever think, that Trump was not the lesser of two evils?
Mate, I am doing something about it. I work in climate adaptation for agriculture and critical infrastructure.John D wrote:Fuck it man. The planet is warning up. Get used to it and stop complaining about it.KiwiInOz wrote:And this is why we require engagement at the scale of governments and nations to drive change in a direction that enables us to reduce the rate at which we are pumping CO2 and other GHG into the atmosphere, particularly through modern energy systems, while adapting our food production systems for different weather and climatic conditions.John D wrote:Of course, global warming doesn't give a shit about my feelings. But, I would claim a counter argument that my feels can do almost nothing to stop global warming. I am pretty sure that the efforts to reduce CO2 in the Paris Accord was not enough to even make a difference to the climate. I am kind of fatalistic about climate change. Of course, human action is changing the climate. But, I don't think we will ever be able to change the behavior of the world enough to stop the change. I think it is something we will have to live with.
Mate, I am doing something about it. I work in climate adaptation for agriculture and critical infrastructure.[/quote]KiwiInOz wrote:[quote="John D"
Fuck it man. The planet is warning up. Get used to it and stop complaining about it.
He's worse for exactly two reasons: a) he's much dumber, so he thinks he can outright break the rules and norms of politics with no repercussions, while Clinton is much better at bending the rules and exploiting them without outright breaking them and b)his political message is much more simplistic than Clinton's and he doesn't know how to compromise, he goes full tilt for every half-baked thought that passes in his head, while Clinton knows how to balance getting what she and her cronies want by keeping things intact enough not to upset the US system.free thoughtpolice wrote:Trump is worse than Hillary if that is what you are asking in a typically roundabout way.Still think, did you ever think, that Trump was not the lesser of two evils?
Clinton is probably smarter than Trump in many ways.... but smartness is pretty complex. She was obviously not smart enough to beat the second worst presidential candidate in history (the worst candidate being her). Just sayin.Kirbmarc wrote:He's worse for exactly two reasons: a) he's much dumber, so he thinks he can outright break the rules and norms of politics with no repercussions, while Clinton is much better at bending the rules and exploiting them without outright breaking them and b)his political message is much more simplistic than Clinton's and he doesn't know how to compromise, he goes full tilt for every half-baked thought that passes in his head, while Clinton knows how to balance getting what she and her cronies want by keeping things intact enough not to upset the US system.free thoughtpolice wrote:Trump is worse than Hillary if that is what you are asking in a typically roundabout way.Still think, did you ever think, that Trump was not the lesser of two evils?
Both Trump and Clinton exploit stupid ideas, and both have corrupt and authoritarian tendencies, but Clinton is much better at keeping them in check enough not to clash with the current US system, and only act when she knows that she won't find any resistance (i.e. supporting limitations to freedom of speech by tying them to SocJus narratives instead of talking about building walls and muslim bans).
It may or may not balloon the deficit. Time will tell. If it substantially increases growth, which it should, then it will have the effect of reducing the deficit. More growth will create more high quality jobs and will probably increase wages... which.... creates more tax revenue. Higher corporate earning could be fueled by higher product demand...etc... you know how it works.Sunder wrote:I love the Republcian tax plan as well. It balloons the deficit (and thus can't be passed in the senate without a full 60 votes), raises taxes on some middle-class Americans, and doesn't simplify tax filing despite reducing the number of brackets. Brilliant.
Indeed; by the look of it, couldn't happen to a nicer or more deserving person ...The Dam Breaks: Democrats Are Decisively Turning on Hillary
But there’s still one last line they won’t cross.
One of the most mystifying aspects of the 2016 election has been the short-term elevation of Hillary Clinton. She somehow went from being the “most qualified presidential candidate in history” to a spiritual figure, a person with a mystical presence. She walks the woods. She grants or denies absolution. When she speaks, grown women weep.
Or at least they did yesterday. Today, things changed. ....
Conservatives have been fighting vicious, public battles over everything from character and integrity to political tactics and strategy. The media have been eager to cover this “Republican civil war.” But the Democrats unquestionably need to fight a war of their own. They need to have their own honest debate, and it cannot truly begin until they take off their rose-colored glasses and see clearly for the first time the candidate they presented to America.
You're just jealous because she's a lawyer and your not. That is sad. :(Steersman wrote:Night(s) of the long knives, part deux:
Indeed; by the look of it, couldn't happen to a nicer or more deserving person ...The Dam Breaks: Democrats Are Decisively Turning on Hillary
But there’s still one last line they won’t cross.
One of the most mystifying aspects of the 2016 election has been the short-term elevation of Hillary Clinton. She somehow went from being the “most qualified presidential candidate in history” to a spiritual figure, a person with a mystical presence. She walks the woods. She grants or denies absolution. When she speaks, grown women weep.
Or at least they did yesterday. Today, things changed. ....
Conservatives have been fighting vicious, public battles over everything from character and integrity to political tactics and strategy. The media have been eager to cover this “Republican civil war.” But the Democrats unquestionably need to fight a war of their own. They need to have their own honest debate, and it cannot truly begin until they take off their rose-colored glasses and see clearly for the first time the candidate they presented to America.
:lol: Lawyer-envy, it bedevils us all ... ;-)free thoughtpolice wrote:You're just jealous because she's a lawyer andSteersman wrote:Night(s) of the long knives, part deux:
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Indeed; by the look of it, couldn't happen to a nicer or more deserving person ...youryou're not. That is sad. :(
Better to ignite them and reduce the CO2e.Lsuoma wrote:Me, I'm cutting down on free-farting.KiwiInOz wrote:Mate, I am doing something about it. I work in climate adaptation for agriculture and critical infrastructure.John D wrote: Fuck it man. The planet is warning up. Get used to it and stop complaining about it.
Thanks for clarifying that - I could never have guessed what you meant.Sunder wrote:Republican*
This is what happens when you take away a man's edit button.Lsuoma wrote:Thanks for clarifying that - I could never have guessed what you meant.Sunder wrote:Republican*
Certainly some of Trump's "fans" have at least expressed some "displeasure" with some of his policies, although I doubt all of the blame can be laid at his doorstep - many in the GoP deserve a large share of it.Kirbmarc wrote:The hero-worshipping for Hillary Clinton was immensely unproductive and I'm glad it might end (ideally she should have admitted her mistakes and left politics altogether after the 2016 election as should all politicians who fail to win an election they assumed to have already won). Now if only Trump fans turned on Trump and he was soundly defeated in the 2020 Republican primary, that'd clear some of the meaningless clutter and leave room for more serious talks about policies instead of the personality flaws of two of the most unpopular presidential candidates in US history. But I'm not holding my breath.
"to compete with the firehose of Russian propaganda and disinformation that was besmirching America’s image and undermining democracy around the world" - :lol: GMAFB. Mr. Black, meet Mr. Pot.free thoughtpolice wrote:https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ion-215826
The stuff he's quoting is not false, though. The US HAVE interfered in the voting process of many countries, and they HAVE supported several bloody coups and oppressive dictators during the years, which makes the US look very hypocritical when they claim to be the "leaders of the free world".free thoughtpolice wrote:Quoting wikileaks now? Do you think Assange should be the Australian ambassador to the UN too? :hand:
FTP seems conspicuous by his silence - cat must have gotten his tongue ... ;-) But nice that you confirmed or supported the argument. Somewhat apropos of which, and as I suggested in a recent tweet, an amusing and related perspective on the Big Powers theme:Kirbmarc wrote:The stuff he's quoting is not false, though. The US HAVE interfered in the voting process of many countries, and they HAVE supported several bloody coups and oppressive dictators during the years, which makes the US look very hypocritical when they claim to be the "leaders of the free world".free thoughtpolice wrote:Quoting wikileaks now? Do you think Assange should be the Australian ambassador to the UN too? :hand:
I can understand that the US want to protect their elections better. That's a legitimate position to have. But whining about how unprecedentedly Evil the Russians are for getting some email published and supporting some internet trolls is pathetic. It's all part of the game, and the Russkies simply exploited your weaknesses. Protect yourself better, but don't expect the world to weep for you as if you were invaded or bombed or attacked by terrorists, especially since you've done those things in the past to deal with nations whose policies you didn't like, even if they were democracies.
America isn't worse than other Big Powers, but it's not intrinsically better, either.