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Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:24 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny


Imagine being one of those absolute suckers that really thought he'd drain the swamp. Instead he stocked it with Foxes.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:33 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny
Yeah, I think Ann Coulter might vote third party next time-

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:40 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:26 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny


That's some banana republic shit there. I have to wonder if Whittaker's abrupt resignation was due to being asked to do illegal acts, or if he just wanted to distance himself from this dumpster fire of an administration?

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:27 pm
by Brive1987
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: Silly engineers and experts. You're right, I'd rather believe an anonymously-sourced article that doesn't argue per se that the planes are dangerously over-engineered, but that pilots need more flying practice.

Nice white-knighting for Trump. These middle aged crushes are always so sweet.
http://i.imgur.com/OYTTxQO.jpg

Trump wouldn’t fly if he thought every flight was an evens odds crap shoot. His point is that when there is an issue, the pilot is increasingly placed at a deadly disadvantage.

How many links would you like on the subject of glass cockpits, increasingly complex interrelated systems, primacy of technology inputs over human agency and the difficulty for pilots trouble shooting problems from a cyber perspective rather than using traditional flight skills.

5, 10? More? Or are you prepared to re-engage commonsense? “Whoop whoop, pull up pull up”

http://i.imgur.com/OYTTxQO.jpg

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:43 pm
by Brive1987
Just released transcript from Lion Air:

12:52:02 “... inaudible... “
12:52:04 Copilot: “planes, how the fuck do they work? ...”
12:52:09 Sounds of breakup
12:52:10 Tape ends

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/08/worl ... ments.html

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:46 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny
Food for thought on Trump's being embraced by people who should have known better. Using Batman, because why not?
In a famous exchange, Bruce Wayne’s trusty butler Alfred explains the Joker’s rise as a reaction to Batman’s campaign against Gotham’s mob bosses:

You crossed the line first, sir. You squeezed them. You hammered them to the point of desperation. And in their desperation, they turned to a man they didn’t fully understand.
In 2016, convinced that Hillary Clinton following eight years of Obama represented an existential threat, Republicans turned to a man they didn’t fully understand.

“Hammered to the point of desperation” captures the feelings of many conservatives, under what they would describe as the rhetorical and cultural assault of the left. (The left would make its own argument about the aggressions of the right, but that’s something for a different analogy.)

After years being accused of racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, and other _____-isms and _____-phobias they didn’t know existed, conservatives felt unfairly besieged. Take Joe Biden’s comment to an African-American audience that Mitt Romney wanted to “put you all back in chains.” Neither Romney, nor the 61 million Americans who voted for him, advocate a return to slavery.
https://arcdigital.media/how-batman-exp ... 422d19c1d5

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:59 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny
Brive1987 wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: Silly engineers and experts. You're right, I'd rather believe an anonymously-sourced article that doesn't argue per se that the planes are dangerously over-engineered, but that pilots need more flying practice.

Nice white-knighting for Trump. These middle aged crushes are always so sweet.
http://i.imgur.com/OYTTxQO.jpg

Trump wouldn’t fly if he thought every flight was an evens odds crap shoot. His point is that when there is an issue, the pilot is increasingly placed at a deadly disadvantage.

How many links would you like on the subject of glass cockpits, increasingly complex interrelated systems, primacy of technology inputs over human agency and the difficulty for pilots trouble shooting problems from a cyber perspective rather than using traditional flight skills.

5, 10? More? Or are you prepared to re-engage commonsense? “Whoop whoop, pull up pull up”

http://i.imgur.com/OYTTxQO.jpg
Of course. Your first article simply stated that pilots needed more flying experience, not that computerized control of airplanes was fundamentally flawed. Now you post an abstract from 17 years ago that doesn't seem to state what you think it does. That there is a difference in understanding between the pilot and the aircraft doesn't mean we go back to dials and levers. It means training and modification to ensure safety. Remember that these systems were put in place to combat pilot error, which was responsible for a good number of crashes. There is a reason they're putting in the computers, and the fact the Orange Man (Bad) opines on engineering is kind of stupid.

I live in a neighborhood were more than half the people head off to Boeing every morning. As they put it, "we fly, our families fly in these planes." They are engineered to be the best, safest aircraft in the world. The fact that mistakes in software or hardware, or both were made doesn't mean it's going back to seat-of-the-pants flying. Your argument is like an anti-vaxxer, this bad thing happened, so let's not vaccinate.

Also, do you think Trump is guilty of felonies? I still haven't heard a straight answer.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:06 pm
by Brive1987
That article seems to indict the Democrats. But whatever.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:13 pm
by Brive1987
Trump was not arguing for a return to cloth and wood.

Don’t let your own horse bolt.


Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:59 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny


It will get vetoed, but it's a start to get certain presidential lips out of Saudi Arabian ass.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:23 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny

Pepe has officially spoken.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:26 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:20 pm
by Sunder
Lol, Manafort tried to spin his private jail cell suite with all-day phone access that he and his legal team specifically requested he be given as "being held in solitary confinement."

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:03 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny
Sunder wrote: Lol, Manafort tried to spin his private jail cell suite with all-day phone access that he and his legal team specifically requested he be given as "being held in solitary confinement."
He was suffering, no ostrich skin in sight.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:42 am
by Kirbmarc
A Very Stable Genius in the White House:

[tweet][/tweet]

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:54 am
by CaptainFluffyBunny


He's gonna go full #YangGang

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:09 am
by free thoughtpolice
If Trump gets impeached or if he loses the next election he will claim that the presidency was stolen and will incite his followers to violence. As the malignant narcissist he is, he doesn't care about the consequences.
Think Saddam Hussein when he was thrown out of Kuwait, threw a giant tantrum and torched all those oil wells, except Trump won't have enough support of the military or the police to pull that off and the Republican establishment will bail out when they see he is finished. More likely there will be some rioting by the bikers for Trump bunch and some terrorism by the militia/ Tim McVeigh crowd.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:18 am
by CaptainFluffyBunny


Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:03 am
by CaptainFluffyBunny

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:56 pm
by Kirbmarc
free thoughtpolice wrote: If Trump gets impeached or if he loses the next election he will claim that the presidency was stolen and will incite his followers to violence. As the malignant narcissist he is, he doesn't care about the consequences.
Think Saddam Hussein when he was thrown out of Kuwait, threw a giant tantrum and torched all those oil wells, except Trump won't have enough support of the military or the police to pull that off and the Republican establishment will bail out when they see he is finished. More likely there will be some rioting by the bikers for Trump bunch and some terrorism by the militia/ Tim McVeigh crowd.
At this point, I really hope he's offered a full immunity deal for himself and his entire family as long as he accepts defeat and retires from politics. The only snag would be that I'm not sure he'd be smart enough to accept it.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:57 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:00 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny
Kirbmarc wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote: If Trump gets impeached or if he loses the next election he will claim that the presidency was stolen and will incite his followers to violence. As the malignant narcissist he is, he doesn't care about the consequences.
Think Saddam Hussein when he was thrown out of Kuwait, threw a giant tantrum and torched all those oil wells, except Trump won't have enough support of the military or the police to pull that off and the Republican establishment will bail out when they see he is finished. More likely there will be some rioting by the bikers for Trump bunch and some terrorism by the militia/ Tim McVeigh crowd.
At this point, I really hope he's offered a full immunity deal for himself and his entire family as long as he accepts defeat and retires from politics. The only snag would be that I'm not sure he'd be smart enough to accept it.
That will depend on how many Republicans find their spines. Shades of Nixon.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:12 pm
by Kirbmarc
I'm not particularly worried of a military takeover of the US since the armed forces and law enforcement aren't going to be on his side even if being ordered to crack down on Trump's critics. But there's lots of gun nuts among the Trump cult, and some of them are crazy enough to believe complex conspiracy theories about pedophile rings, body doubles, and secret trials, so I'm sure that more than a few could actually turn violent, like the idiot who barged into the Comet Ping Pong pizza parlor to look for underground tunnels used to rape children, or the MAGA-bomber.

Trump likely knows how some of his most extreme fans might respond to his call to violence if the "certain point" is reached, and he either doesn't care or actively wants chaos and violence. At the very least what he's said is incredibly irresponsible and unfit to the role of the Commander in Chief of a liberal democracy.

But this is President Stable Genius here, so it's just another day, a new scandal.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:57 pm
by Brive1987
Kirbmarc wrote: A Very Stable Genius in the White House:

[tweet][/tweet]
As a PhD, I’m appalled you quoted a secondary source instead of going primary.

Whatever do they teach as school these days?
Trump’s comments came in a wider part of the conversation about how the left is more “vicious” than the right—and that the left in American politics plays “cuter and tougher.”

“So here’s the thing—it’s so terrible what’s happening,” Trump said when asked by Breitbart News Washington Political Editor Matthew Boyle about how the left is fighting hard. “You know, the left plays a tougher game, it’s very funny. I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don’t play it tougher. Okay? I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad. But the left plays it cuter and tougher. Like with all the nonsense that they do in Congress … with all this invest[igations]—that’s all they want to do is –you know, they do things that are nasty. Republicans never played this.”
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... democrats/

Not quite the beat up the secondary partisans would have you believe.

Fuck me, what a cluster. I weep.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:16 pm
by free thoughtpolice
I don't see it as any better in context. He talks about how tough his supporters are, like the bikers for Trump. Talking about police, military and bikers isn't a threat of violence? In context he is talking about retaliating against "investigations" as if the congress doesn't have a duty of oversight against possible criminal conduct in government.
On top of that, he then tells a huge whopper that repubs never aggressively investigated the dems or tried to impeach and remove Clinton for comparatively minor shit compared to stuff that is happening in the Trump sphere.
You must be joking, but you know Hannah Gadsby and Aussie humor doesn't click with everyone so I can't tell.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:23 pm
by Brive1987
No. He’s saying his supporters have a greater innate capacity for violence than the left. Which isn’t used.

Whereas the soy-boy limp-wrists are strutting about, applying violence against placid maga hat wearers.

I think he can see both the irony and danger in the left’s efforts to punch above their weight.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:23 pm
by Brive1987
No. He’s saying his supporters have a greater innate capacity for violence than the left. Which isn’t used.

Whereas the soy-boy limp-wrists are strutting about, applying violence against placid maga hat wearers.

I think he can see both the irony and danger in the left’s efforts to punch above their weight.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:32 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny
Brive1987 wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote: A Very Stable Genius in the White House:

[tweet][/tweet]
As a PhD, I’m appalled you quoted a secondary source instead of going primary.

Whatever do they teach as school these days?
Trump’s comments came in a wider part of the conversation about how the left is more “vicious” than the right—and that the left in American politics plays “cuter and tougher.”

“So here’s the thing—it’s so terrible what’s happening,” Trump said when asked by Breitbart News Washington Political Editor Matthew Boyle about how the left is fighting hard. “You know, the left plays a tougher game, it’s very funny. I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don’t play it tougher. Okay? I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad. But the left plays it cuter and tougher. Like with all the nonsense that they do in Congress … with all this invest[igations]—that’s all they want to do is –you know, they do things that are nasty. Republicans never played this.”
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... democrats/

Not quite the beat up the secondary partisans would have you believe.

Fuck me, what a cluster. I weep.
You really don't seem to see that the context doesn't help much, if at all. And it was a goddamn stupid thing to say in any case. Makes George W Bush seem to be a master orator by comparison. He doesn't have those people. They (except the bikers)only enforce the law, they are sworn to the CONTUS, not that orange bloviating narcissist. And adding in the bikers...jesus christ on a pogo stick, what a grotesquely immature thing to say. It's a fucking threat, there's no other way to put it. And his support from LE is a lit less than he thinks. You don't constantly diss the FBI for over two years and expect them to love you.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:36 pm
by free thoughtpolice
Which isn’t used.
until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad
Investigations are nasty, really bad. What happens if they indict Donald Jr. for lying to congress, or that hot thot piece of pussy Ivanka for fraud during the inauguration, or worse still if they impeach Trump or he loses the next eledtion, which of course could only happen if the dems rig the election.
It turns out there are a lot of people that are gullible enough to swallow anything Trump says and even brainwashed and foolish enough to defend his statements when he is saying something outrageous or even dangerous.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:38 pm
by Brive1987
See my above. He was making a cultural/ideological statement. He wasn’t doing a tree diagram of his order of battle.

And he was warning the latte left to desist from inflicting violence on the tattooed right.

He should charge for his advice.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:40 pm
by free thoughtpolice
Like with all the nonsense that they do in Congress … with all this invest[igations]—that’s all they want to do is –you know, they do things that are nasty. ”
Context, how does it fucking work. :lol:

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:53 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny


The reasonable left starts policing the extreme elements. Despite the howls of the right that her and AOC speak for the whole party.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:01 pm
by MarcusAu
Brive1987 wrote: He should charge for his advice.
Wasn't that the business model for Trump University?

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:29 pm
by Brive1987
MarcusAu wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: He should charge for his advice.
Wasn't that the business model for Trump University?
Trump Uni was more an applied life lesson. Seminars in Ballrooms leading to costly additional classes ..... :lol:

Almost, but not quite as pernicious as addictive-by-design mobile video games with in-play purchases. Or neo-liberal economic policy.

Life’s a jungle.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:35 pm
by Brive1987
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: https..://mobile.twitter.com/thehill/status/1106324146223570944

The reasonable left starts policing the extreme elements. Despite the howls of the right that her and AOC speak for the whole party.
Painful ingratitude. The old-school Democrats would be arguing for a new “porch nigga”.

So yes. The current framing is a step in the right direction. A polite face for minority engagement is important.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:37 pm
by Brive1987
free thoughtpolice wrote:
Like with all the nonsense that they do in Congress … with all this invest[igations]—that’s all they want to do is –you know, they do things that are nasty. ”
Context, how does it fucking work. :lol:
“A broken window in Congress leads to street crime and the breakdown of community”
Or something. :)

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:59 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny


I suppose it's only quaint that I still think of things as intangible as "values" and "honor" as important precepts in politics. While they are rare, they at least used to be aspirations of both political parties. And while they differed in approach, both parties valued their country first, their party second. I understood conservatism. I even agreed with a lot of the values.

There was a dynamism between the parties, wherein the worst of each area of philosophy was often hammered out in the compromises they made to make legislation, in running the country. It was deeply flawed, but functional. Now both parties seem to be corporate whores, although it seems clear (especially after that tax cut) that the Republicans are more egregious about it. Everything they do is a short-sighted grab at money, with lip service and the occasional bone thrown at their base. They speak fiercely of values, while showing their complete contempt for those values, all while so many lap it up. The Democrats often pander to the worst elements of faux liberalism and foolishly undercut one another in an attempt to appear virtuous.

Only a few Republicans stood up for the Constitution lately. Most have abandoned principles in order to suck on Trump's bloated teat.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:25 pm
by Brive1987
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
I suppose it's only quaint that I still think of things as intangible as "values" and "honor" as important precepts in politics. While they are rare, they at least used to be aspirations of both political parties. And while they differed in approach, both parties valued their country first, their party second.

*snip*
Hmm. Sounds familiar.
We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something, you use them as a punchline.
If both teams are sham, You do still get to wear the sham colours. One set is closer to traditional nationalism than the other. One set is closer to SJWism than the other. My working hypothesis is that both camps mobilise their own deluded but hopeful mass. If Trump doesn’t want to make America Great, you can bet Pelosi isn’t really weddded to making America fair.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:03 pm
by Old_ones
free thoughtpolice wrote: If Trump gets impeached or if he loses the next election he will claim that the presidency was stolen and will incite his followers to violence. As the malignant narcissist he is, he doesn't care about the consequences.
Think Saddam Hussein when he was thrown out of Kuwait, threw a giant tantrum and torched all those oil wells, except Trump won't have enough support of the military or the police to pull that off and the Republican establishment will bail out when they see he is finished. More likely there will be some rioting by the bikers for Trump bunch and some terrorism by the militia/ Tim McVeigh crowd.
I personally hope these people violently resist, so that they can be put down. Preferably with lethal force. These fucking twats are always on about "taking up arms" but anyone who is familiar with the Randy Weaver case knows how that ends.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:12 pm
by Brive1987
free thoughtpolice wrote: I don't see it as any better in context. He talks about how tough his supporters are, like the bikers for Trump. Talking about police, military and bikers isn't a threat of violence? In context he is talking about retaliating against "investigations" as if the congress doesn't have a duty of oversight against possible criminal conduct in government.
On top of that, he then tells a huge whopper that repubs never aggressively investigated the dems or tried to impeach and remove Clinton for comparatively minor shit compared to stuff that is happening in the Trump sphere.
You must be joking, but you know Hannah Gadsby and Aussie humor doesn't click with everyone so I can't tell.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:21 pm
by Kirbmarc
Old_ones wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote: If Trump gets impeached or if he loses the next election he will claim that the presidency was stolen and will incite his followers to violence. As the malignant narcissist he is, he doesn't care about the consequences.
Think Saddam Hussein when he was thrown out of Kuwait, threw a giant tantrum and torched all those oil wells, except Trump won't have enough support of the military or the police to pull that off and the Republican establishment will bail out when they see he is finished. More likely there will be some rioting by the bikers for Trump bunch and some terrorism by the militia/ Tim McVeigh crowd.
I personally hope these people violently resist, so that they can be put down. Preferably with lethal force. These fucking twats are always on about "taking up arms" but anyone who is familiar with the Randy Weaver case knows how that ends.
I don't like these violent idiots one bit, but I don't think it's wise to wish for this. The Randy Weaver/Ruby Ridge case was part of what motivated the Oklahoma City bombing. Escalation is a real thing, and I'm not ready to cheer on it.

Political violence can get incredibly bad. This is why it's especially irresponsible for Trump to talk in these terms. You never know how your base is going to react to implied encouraging of violence.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:41 pm
by Brive1987
Old_ones wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote: If Trump gets impeached or if he loses the next election he will claim that the presidency was stolen and will incite his followers to violence. As the malignant narcissist he is, he doesn't care about the consequences.
Think Saddam Hussein when he was thrown out of Kuwait, threw a giant tantrum and torched all those oil wells, except Trump won't have enough support of the military or the police to pull that off and the Republican establishment will bail out when they see he is finished. More likely there will be some rioting by the bikers for Trump bunch and some terrorism by the militia/ Tim McVeigh crowd.
I personally hope these people violently resist, so that they can be put down. Preferably with lethal force. These fucking twats are always on about "taking up arms" but anyone who is familiar with the Randy Weaver case knows how that ends.
An awkward moment to be the first pitter to call for active ideological genocide.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:54 pm
by Kirbmarc
Brive1987 wrote:
Old_ones wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote: If Trump gets impeached or if he loses the next election he will claim that the presidency was stolen and will incite his followers to violence. As the malignant narcissist he is, he doesn't care about the consequences.
Think Saddam Hussein when he was thrown out of Kuwait, threw a giant tantrum and torched all those oil wells, except Trump won't have enough support of the military or the police to pull that off and the Republican establishment will bail out when they see he is finished. More likely there will be some rioting by the bikers for Trump bunch and some terrorism by the militia/ Tim McVeigh crowd.
I personally hope these people violently resist, so that they can be put down. Preferably with lethal force. These fucking twats are always on about "taking up arms" but anyone who is familiar with the Randy Weaver case knows how that ends.
An awkward moment to be the first pitter to call for active ideological genocide.
I love the smell of straw in the morning.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:09 am
by Brive1987
They are coming with torches already? Shit’s escalating eh?

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:27 am
by Kirbmarc
Brive1987 wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:09 am
They are coming with torches already? Shit’s escalating eh?
So Trump, the President of the United States, can say that his supporters only behave "until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad" and relate this to "all the nonsense that they do in Congress" and that's no big deal.

But an anonymous guy on a forum hopes that people who are fond of threatening political violence will actually get violent, so that they can be identified and put down, and that's a call for genocide based on political affiliation.

The important thing is that "your" side is always the victim, I guess. Dugin's explicit calls for genocide are just Russian jokes, Goldy using Nazi memes is just provocation, Trump implying political violence is simply to trigger the libtards, the MAGA-bomber and Brievik are just "broken dollies" and it's all the fault of the Evil Libtards anyway.

Meanwhile, in the real world, a guy who is inspired by Dugin's ideas, Candace Owens, and other right-tards has opened fire on two mosques, killing probably more than 40 people. But he's probably a "broken dolly" too, and the libtards are probably to blame, 'mright?

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:42 am
by Kirbmarc
Extreme political polarization is hurting people over basically nothing. The alt-right actively revels in it, celebrating idiots like the Proud Boys, or dangerous authoritarians like Dugin, or "provocateurs" like Goldy who want people to get mad as hell, or Trump's idiotic "tough guy" Breitbart interview. It spreads stupid, dangerous ideas like the "great replacement/white genocide" memes, which trigger fears of existential threats.

But they're always blameless victims, according to you, Brive, because the SocJus exists and they're always spreading stupid ideas, or supporting "tough guy" moments like "punch the Nazi". And you put everyone who criticizes your idols in the SocJus camp.

I have some experience with people who are radicalized, and they reason exactly like you. It's not their fault that their side supports violence, it's the other side that wants to kill all of them, or replace them, or which has attacked first by invading Iraq/putting heathen troops near Mecca. They're just defending obvious ideas from insanity. The few who actually take the violent messages seriously are "broken" and it's all the fault of the "crusaders" anyway. And everyone who criticizes those things is just an useful idiot for the "crusaders" anyway.

Hell, lots of them are probably using the Christchurch attack as evidence of an incoming muslim genocide.

You have studied history. You should understand these patterns. Nothing good can come from this.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:51 am
by Old_ones
Brive1987 wrote:
Old_ones wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote: If Trump gets impeached or if he loses the next election he will claim that the presidency was stolen and will incite his followers to violence. As the malignant narcissist he is, he doesn't care about the consequences.
Think Saddam Hussein when he was thrown out of Kuwait, threw a giant tantrum and torched all those oil wells, except Trump won't have enough support of the military or the police to pull that off and the Republican establishment will bail out when they see he is finished. More likely there will be some rioting by the bikers for Trump bunch and some terrorism by the militia/ Tim McVeigh crowd.
I personally hope these people violently resist, so that they can be put down. Preferably with lethal force. These fucking twats are always on about "taking up arms" but anyone who is familiar with the Randy Weaver case knows how that ends.
An awkward moment to be the first pitter to call for active ideological genocide.
I didn't call for "active ideological genocide". People who take up arms against the government are enemies of the state, and traitors, and they should get what they deserve. I'm tired of wannabe macho men talking about how they need to "preserve liberty" with their guns, and all this other bullshit. I feel the same way about Antifa, but from the look of it they are at least smart enough not to pick fights with the three letter agencies. Nobody should let these pieces of garbage intimidate them or craft policies to try to pacify them. If they rise up they should get the same treatment as al Qaeda. Period.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:20 am
by free thoughtpolice
Trump must have some blackmail on Lindsey Graham and it has to be worse than he's a closeted gay. WTF?

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:22 pm
by John D
free thoughtpolice wrote: Trump must have some blackmail on Lindsey Graham and it has to be worse than he's a closeted gay. WTF?
This guy is a useless commentator.... but... whatever floats your boat man.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:37 pm
by free thoughtpolice
This guy is a useless commentator.... but... whatever floats your boat man.
:lol: That is rich coming from the dude that frequently posts Shirtless Satanist Jesus, and buy Brainforce PJ Watson.
Maybe if he makes a video that triggers the libs you might get a boner for him. :think:

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:19 pm
by Brive1987
Kirbmarc wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:09 am
They are coming with torches already? Shit’s escalating eh?
So Trump, the President of the United States, can say that his supporters only behave "until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad" and relate this to "all the nonsense that they do in Congress" and that's no big deal.

But an anonymous guy on a forum hopes that people who are fond of threatening political violence will actually get violent, so that they can be identified and put down, and that's a call for genocide based on political affiliation.

The important thing is that "your" side is always the victim, I guess. Dugin's explicit calls for genocide are just Russian jokes, Goldy using Nazi memes is just provocation, Trump implying political violence is simply to trigger the libtards, the MAGA-bomber and Brievik are just "broken dollies" and it's all the fault of the Evil Libtards anyway.

Meanwhile, in the real world, a guy who is inspired by Dugin's ideas, Candace Owens, and other right-tards has opened fire on two mosques, killing probably more than 40 people. But he's probably a "broken dolly" too, and the libtards are probably to blame, 'mright?
Trump pointed out that the left was encouraging systemic aggression and violence as a means to an end. In an inverse sliding scale from Congress to the grass roots. And he pointed out that fisty cuffs wasn’t something you wanted to provoke when you were a latte leftie. And your ideological opponents were not.

Why are you too obtuse to understand this?

Re the individuals looking for a movement a la NZ. Because it it’s not a movement, I’ve got no idea what their objectives are and therefore what motivates them to crossing the line to pointless violence. It’s certainly nothing that inspires the vast majority of people concerned about cultural mismatch in the post national ‘society’ and the impotence of liberalism to provide universal meaning and structure.

Somehow 46,000 muslims have ended up in New Zealand. Needless to say, killing 50 is a low yield, high cost strategy. But then I doubt Mr Grafton was reacting to direct personal experience or perceived threat. Regardless of what he thought his goal was, he is clearly tangential to the main body of discussion and concern. But hey. Babies and bathwater eh?

As I intimated earlier, I suspect there is a conditioning mechanism in social media and the internet in general which finds expression across a wide swath of human experience. Siloing, dehumanising, addicting and changing mental health patterns.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:43 pm
by Kirbmarc
Brive1987 wrote:Trump pointed out that the left was encouraging systemic aggression and violence as a means to an end. In an inverse sliding scale from Congress to the grass roots. And he pointed out that fisty cuffs wasn’t something you wanted to provoke when you were a latte leftie. And your ideological opponents were not.

Why are you too obtuse to understand this?
Because a) Trump has ALSO encouraged violence and aggression in the past (praising Gianforte for bodyslamming a journalist, promising to pay the legal expenses of people who got into fights to throw out people at his rallies B) we already had violence inspired by Trump's rhetoric in the past (the MAGA-bomber) and C) that's not ALL that Trump was saying:
You know, the left plays a tougher game, it’s very funny. I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don’t play it tougher. Okay? I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad. But the left plays it cuter and tougher. Like with all the nonsense that they do in Congress … with all this invest[igations]—that’s all they want to do is –you know, they do things that are nasty. Republicans never played this.”
Here Trump isn't talking about Antifa or the "punch a Nazi" crowd. He's talking about Congress investigations. Unless you're into po-mo word games, investigations aren't violence, but Trump is talking about them in the context of discussing violence, and claiming to have support of the military, low enforcement and other "tough people".

This is very clearly an implied threat, especially since it comes from the man who is commander in chief of the military and in charge of executive power, talking about how "nasty" investigations are a way for things to get "very bad, very bad".

Why are too obtuse to understand this?

"Nasty business, that trial" says local entrepreneur Vito Corleone "you know, it's very funny that that wimpy prosecutor is playing it so though. I know some really though people, I have tough people on my side, but they never play it tough. Unless thing go very, very bad, capiche?"

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:46 pm
by free thoughtpolice
Brive wrote:
Trump pointed out that the left was encouraging systemic aggression and violence as a means to an end. In an inverse sliding scale from Congress to the grass roots. And he pointed out that fisty cuffs wasn’t something you wanted to provoke when you were a latte leftie.
You must be able to read Trump's mind. The only provocation he mentioned in that tweet was he didn't want to get investigated by congress. Nothing about antifa starting fights during demonstrations or whatever BS you want to insert to muddy up the argument. If he didn't say it don't add shit that kind of props up your argument. That is a sign to me you lost the argument.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:47 pm
by free thoughtpolice
:nin:

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:28 pm
by Brive1987
The argument was lost when Kirb et al posted and then pivoted off decontextualised and edited (partisan) versions of the interview.

At that point you know you are not dealing with a discussion made in good faith.

Trump,was responding to a question about the left’s tactics. He said they sucked and placed the left’s soy-lads at self risk. He tied the comic street goons to an overarching shift by the Dems to nasty combative tactics at all levels.

Pretty reasonable stuff post Kavanaugh. Or .....


Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:54 pm
by Sunder
It's tax season, and a growing number of non-billionaires are starting to realize that their refunds have either shrunk or disappeared entirely. About two million fewer Americans than last year will receive a refund at all.

Apologists will insist that this is actually good news since it means the govt. didn't withhold too much of their earnings. But this relies on them all being dumbasses who can't simply look at their check stubs and realize that in many cases roughly the same amount was withheld as previous years, they just got less back. That's a tax hike, Charlie.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:17 am
by CaptainFluffyBunny
Sigh. It's not partisan to interpret it as a threat. There is no doubt he meant it as a threat. Trump is increasingly understanding the peril he's in. Once he thought he could get away with anything, he said as much. Then he thought he could pardon himself and his out of trouble. Now those options are being ground away, and even if he dismisses Mueller, he's still got the House and SDNY. His unveiled threat is quite clear to those that don't reflexively spin his words to try and make him appear either intelligent or moral. He is neither.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:11 pm
by Old_ones
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: Sigh. It's not partisan to interpret it as a threat. There is no doubt he meant it as a threat. Trump is increasingly understanding the peril he's in. Once he thought he could get away with anything, he said as much. Then he thought he could pardon himself and his out of trouble. Now those options are being ground away, and even if he dismisses Mueller, he's still got the House and SDNY. His unveiled threat is quite clear to those that don't reflexively spin his words to try and make him appear either intelligent or moral. He is neither.
He's not going to dismiss Mueller, because at this point it isn't going to do him any good. He could dismiss Mueller, and congress could still subpoena Mueller for the evidence he's compiled or ask him to come testify. I can't remember which analyst I read, but someone suggested that at this point Trump would be trying to block a report rather than an investigation, and there are a lot of ways a finished report can find it's way out and into the public consciousness. That also points at the fundamental problem for Trump in general - he hasn't kept his crimes covered. Even if Mueller titles his report "Nothing to See Here: No Collusion of Any Kind" the SDNY investigation has already found evidence of multiple felonies. If Trump has any brains at all he should be terrified by the fact that the Manhattan DA went after Manafort. His "red lines" around finances haven't worked and there is blood in the water.

Re: The Trump Dump!

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:11 pm
by Brive1987
Biden’s Presidential site has been launched.

https://joebiden.info/