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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:59 pm

It was one of Donald Trump's signature campaign promises.

Back in June 2016, he stood before a large crowd in Monessen, Pennsylvania and said that as President, he would reduce America's ballooning trade deficit.

He called it "a political and politician-made disaster" and said "it can be corrected".

Only it hasn't exactly turned out that way.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-47472282

Accidentally posted this on the main thread. Too many tabs open, very embarrassing. :oops:

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:09 pm

A panel with real conservatives talking about Trump. Real conservatives should be alarmed at how crazy things have gotten, how the indefensible has become acceptable. Because when the pendulum swings, it might get ugly. The standards are changing.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:27 pm

Either lifting tariffs means increasing tariffs in Britland or they fucked up. If I'm not mistaken here lifting tariffs means removing them.

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Post by Old_ones » Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:04 pm

Brive1987 wrote:
Old_ones wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: Posting streams of partisan tweets, without adding any value (or even pov), is tedious stuff.


https...://twitter.com/lazymeatball/status/1102705209053245440?s=21

This is a great idea, but in order for it to work, 270 votes worth of states need to sign on. That means some red or purple states would be necessary.
Hmm. I thought the plan was a uniting of states. Not the dominion of California and New York.
There is no reason votes from places like Wyoming should count more than those in California and New York. They already get disproportionate representation to their size because of the senate. Call it cousin-fucker privilege.

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Post by John D » Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:04 pm

Old_ones wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Old_ones wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: Posting streams of partisan tweets, without adding any value (or even pov), is tedious stuff.


https...://twitter.com/lazymeatball/status/1102705209053245440?s=21

This is a great idea, but in order for it to work, 270 votes worth of states need to sign on. That means some red or purple states would be necessary.
Hmm. I thought the plan was a uniting of states. Not the dominion of California and New York.
There is no reason votes from places like Wyoming should count more than those in California and New York. They already get disproportionate representation to their size because of the senate. Call it cousin-fucker privilege.
States in the USA have power. We are the "United States of America". States have power and an agreement with the Federal government which has been negotiated over hundreds of years. You can't change this just because. The USA has a real definition.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:19 pm

:P You don't have the power!

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:17 pm

John D wrote:
Old_ones wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Old_ones wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: Posting streams of partisan tweets, without adding any value (or even pov), is tedious stuff.


https...://twitter.com/lazymeatball/status/1102705209053245440?s=21

This is a great idea, but in order for it to work, 270 votes worth of states need to sign on. That means some red or purple states would be necessary.
Hmm. I thought the plan was a uniting of states. Not the dominion of California and New York.
There is no reason votes from places like Wyoming should count more than those in California and New York. They already get disproportionate representation to their size because of the senate. Call it cousin-fucker privilege.
States in the USA have power. We are the "United States of America". States have power and an agreement with the Federal government which has been negotiated over hundreds of years. You can't change this just because. The USA has a real definition.
True, but I don't think the framers anticipated the oversized role that key states would play in the election. It's certainly a fair point for discussion.

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Post by Brive1987 » Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:06 pm

Bullshit. It’s gerrymandering on a grand scale, utterly at odds with the Union.

Next someone will question the concept of a “well regulated militia”.

People used to laugh at the gay-frog protests that open borders were overclocking the south and west. But between fourth trimester “conversations” and the popular vote, you mob are on a real roll living up to stereotype.

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Post by John D » Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:30 am

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
John D wrote:
Old_ones wrote:
There is no reason votes from places like Wyoming should count more than those in California and New York. They already get disproportionate representation to their size because of the senate. Call it cousin-fucker privilege.
States in the USA have power. We are the "United States of America". States have power and an agreement with the Federal government which has been negotiated over hundreds of years. You can't change this just because. The USA has a real definition.
True, but I don't think the framers anticipated the oversized role that key states would play in the election. It's certainly a fair point for discussion.
The purpose for the electoral college is specifically to give voice to smaller states so they are not overpowered by the bigger states. Without giving each state an equal voice in the Senate we may have never formed a stable union. It can be perilous to change something that is this fundamental to our representation.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:44 am

https://bnonews.com/index.php/2019/03/n ... perations/
A long-range rocket site in North Korea appears to have resumed normal operations, according to satellite images released on Thursday, less than a year after a missile engine test stand was dismantled and just days after a summit with Trump fell apart.

Photos released earlier this week suggested that North Korea was rebuilding the Sohae Satellite Launching Station, but photos released on Thursday indicate that the work continued and the site may now be operational, according to the North Korea monitoring project 38 North.

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https://bnonews.com/index.php/2019/03/n ... perations/
A long-range rocket site in North Korea appears to have resumed normal operations, according to satellite images released on Thursday, less than a year after a missile engine test stand was dismantled and just days after a summit with Trump fell apart.

Photos released earlier this week suggested that North Korea was rebuilding the Sohae Satellite Launching Station, but photos released on Thursday indicate that the work continued and the site may now be operational, according to the North Korea monitoring project 38 North.

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Interesting.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:20 am



Snowflakes to the left of me, snowflakes to the right.


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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:48 pm



Seems normal.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:33 pm

Golly gee, between Hannity being BFF with Trump and Fox News hosts unapologetically being MAGA, I wonder why they aren't letting Fox host the debates? And before some drone with severe whataboutism comes in about MSNBC, yeah, same thing.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:37 pm

Here's the reference. This is the new normal for presidential behavior, so no complaining when a Democrat gets voted in.


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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:40 pm

John D wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
John D wrote:
Old_ones wrote:
There is no reason votes from places like Wyoming should count more than those in California and New York. They already get disproportionate representation to their size because of the senate. Call it cousin-fucker privilege.
States in the USA have power. We are the "United States of America". States have power and an agreement with the Federal government which has been negotiated over hundreds of years. You can't change this just because. The USA has a real definition.
True, but I don't think the framers anticipated the oversized role that key states would play in the election. It's certainly a fair point for discussion.
The purpose for the electoral college is specifically to give voice to smaller states so they are not overpowered by the bigger states. Without giving each state an equal voice in the Senate we may have never formed a stable union. It can be perilous to change something that is this fundamental to our representation.
Not disagreeing, but it has also made other states powerful beyond reason. There's a fine balance there, and it deserves scrutiny.

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Post by Old_ones » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:45 pm

Brive1987 wrote: Bullshit. It’s gerrymandering on a grand scale, utterly at odds with the Union.
Gerrymandering is a technique used to game the system so that a faction of voters can weild power disproportionate to their numbers. So what we are talking about is literally the exact opposite of gerrymandering. It would be reforming the system to rid it of bias toward the presidential voters of less populus states.

By the way, since when do you give a fuck about the union? You are the asshole adjutating for ethnically derived citizenship, are you not? Do you think that fits with our constitution or national concept?

Brive1987 wrote: Next someone will question the concept of a “well regulated militia”.
That's a joke right?

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:47 pm

In January, during the longest government shutdown in America’s history, President Donald Trump rode in a motorcade through Hidalgo County, Texas, eventually stopping on a grassy bluff overlooking the Rio Grande. The White House wanted to dramatize what Trump was portraying as a national emergency: the need to build a wall along the Mexican border. The presence of armored vehicles, bales of confiscated marijuana, and federal agents in flak jackets underscored the message.

But the photo op dramatized something else about the Administration. After members of the press pool got out of vans and headed over to where the President was about to speak, they noticed that Sean Hannity, the Fox News host, was already on location. Unlike them, he hadn’t been confined by the Secret Service, and was mingling with Administration officials, at one point hugging Kirstjen Nielsen, the Secretary of Homeland Security. The pool report noted that Hannity was seen “huddling” with the White House communications director, Bill Shine. After the photo op, Hannity had an exclusive on-air interview with Trump. Politico later reported that it was Hannity’s seventh interview with the President, and Fox’s forty-second. Since then, Trump has given Fox two more. He has granted only ten to the three other main television networks combined, and none to CNN, which he denounces as “fake news.”

Hannity was treated in Texas like a member of the Administration because he virtually is one. The same can be said of Fox’s chairman, Rupert Murdoch. Fox has long been a bane of liberals, but in the past two years many people who watch the network closely, including some Fox alumni, say that it has evolved into something that hasn’t existed before in the United States. Nicole Hemmer, an assistant professor of Presidential studies at the University of Virginia’s Miller Center and the author of “Messengers of the Right,” a history of the conservative media’s impact on American politics, says of Fox, “It’s the closest we’ve come to having state TV.”
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019 ... hite-house

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:00 pm

This must be the end goal for the Dark Enlightenment crowd. Some people just love royalty, even scummy royalty.
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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:08 pm

Catchy. And it lyrical form points out that when, or if, Trump ever realizes he's been played, then the bromance might get ugly. A lot of South Koreans are very concerned about this. Trump doesn't have the most stable temperament, and tends towards the vengeful side.

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Re: The Trump Dump!

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Post by Brive1987 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:18 pm

Old_ones wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: Bullshit. It’s gerrymandering on a grand scale, utterly at odds with the Union.
Gerrymandering is a technique used to game the system so that a faction of voters can weild power disproportionate to their numbers. So what we are talking about is literally the exact opposite of gerrymandering. It would be reforming the system to rid it of bias toward the presidential voters of less populus states.

By the way, since when do you give a fuck about the union? You are the asshole adjutating for ethnically derived citizenship, are you not? Do you think that fits with our constitution or national concept?

Brive1987 wrote: Next someone will question the concept of a “well regulated militia”.
That's a joke right?
And you appear to be that asshole who makes up definitions to suit.

http://i.imgur.com/BuFN39l.jpg

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You’ll have to explain how my concern for homogenous western culture in ... the west invalidates an opinion on the American Electoral College tradition (which dates back to the Convention, the Connecticut Compromise and the Three-Fifths Compromise). :think:

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Re America as an ol’ fashioned global melting pot .... you might ponder these and contemplate how recently change has occurred.

https://www.nap.edu/read/21746/chapter/3#39

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Re: The Trump Dump!

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Post by Brive1987 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:53 pm

Now why would you want a popular vote model all of a sudden? :think:

http://i.imgur.com/trvCAEq.jpg

:lol: :lol:

http://i.imgur.com/ecpimMr.jpg

:lol: :lol: :naughty: :bjarte: :cdc:

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Post by Kirbmarc » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:26 am

Brive1987 wrote: Now why would you want a popular vote model all of a sudden? :think:

http://i.imgur.com/trvCAEq.jpg

:lol: :lol:

http://i.imgur.com/ecpimMr.jpg

:lol: :lol: :naughty: :bjarte: :cdc:
Do you think that illegal immigrant get to vote in presidential elections? Are you also supporting Donald's claim that "millions and millions of people" voted illegally in 2016 and that's why he lost the popular vote?

Are you aware that there's zero evidence of illegal immigrants casting votes in the election?


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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:39 am

Kirbmarc wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: Now why would you want a popular vote model all of a sudden? :think:

[..IMG]http://i.imgur.com/trvCAEq.jpg[/IMG]

:lol: :lol:

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:lol: :lol: :naughty: :bjarte: :cdc:
Do you think that illegal immigrant get to vote in presidential elections? Are you also supporting Donald's claim that "millions and millions of people" voted illegally in 2016 and that's why he lost the popular vote?

Are you aware that there's zero evidence of illegal immigrants casting votes in the election?
I think the correlation is hilarious. Especially when you consider DACA and the liberal aversion to meaningful border control.

I’d also wager my left nut vs yours that these people remain in country and either they or their successors get the vote down the track.

1. Let them in
2. Let them stay
3. Let them work
4. Make them pay taxes
5, let them vote - as that’s only fair

It’s a long game. But maybe not too long.

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Post by Kirbmarc » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:52 am

Screencaps are useless when you can link to the source:
It’s true that non-citizens can now register to vote in San Francisco, but only some non-citizens, and only to vote in one specific type of local election. According to city documents, the new law authorizes “San Francisco residents who are not United States citizens but who are the parents, legal guardians, or caregivers of a child residing in San Francisco to vote in elections for the Board of Education.” Registrants must be at least 18 at the time of the next election, reside in the city of San Francisco, and be parents or caregivers with legal custody of children who also live in San Francisco.


The term “non-citizen” is a broad one that encompasses everyone from lawful permanent U.S. residents (i.e., “green card” holders) who have lived in the United States for many years, to undocumented immigrants lacking a legal basis for prolonged residency in the U.S. Non-citizens are barred by federal law from voting in federal elections, but the choice of whether to allow non-citizens to vote at state or local levels is up to individual state and municipal legislatures.
And again:
Federal law expressly prohibits illegal immigrants from voting in federal elections, but Trump does not specifically reference federal elections. He says that this is happening "in some states." But there are no state-level elections where Democrats are giving illegal immigrants the right to vote, either. There are, however, at least a few municipal-level elections where Democrats have pushed to give certain groups of undocumented immigrants the ability to vote in specific local elections.

So on the one hand, Trump's assertion is not true in the broad sense, but is true in the technical sense. But on the other hand, if you want to get even more precise, it's not true in the technical sense because these are not state-level elections we're talking about. And on the third hand, if you're dead-set on finding a way that Trump's statement is true, then you can go to an even deeper technical level by saying that these municipal elections are happening "in"—meaning, inside the geographic boundaries—of states. So the ultimate truth or falsity here rests on what the meaning of the word "in" is. Bill Clinton would be proud.

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:15 am

I didn’t say they had voted in 2016.

I said there was a (hopefully) long game going on with clear pointers. A game which informs the nascent left push for changes to the electoral college. You think the dems won’t progressively extend the range of “certain local types of elections”? And give voting status to long term tax paying “residents”?

Oh please.

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Post by Kirbmarc » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:23 am

Brive1987 wrote: I didn’t say they had voted in 2016.

I said there was a (hopefully) long game going on with clear pointers. A game which informs the nascent left push for changes to the electoral college. You think the dems won’t progressively extend the range of “certain local types of elections”? And give voting status to long term tax paying “residents”?

Oh please.
Do you think that it's rational to infer that provisions to give non-citizen parents the right to vote for local education boards are a stepping stone towards giving non-citizens the right to vote in federal elections?

Isn't this just a teensy bit conspiratorial thinking?

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:30 am

Kirbmarc wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: I didn’t say they had voted in 2016.

I said there was a (hopefully) long game going on with clear pointers. A game which informs the nascent left push for changes to the electoral college. You think the dems won’t progressively extend the range of “certain local types of elections”? And give voting status to long term tax paying “residents”?

Oh please.
Do you think that it's rational to infer that provisions to give non-citizen parents the right to vote for local education boards are a stepping stone towards giving non-citizens the right to vote in federal elections?

Isn't this just a teensy bit conspiratorial thinking?
Yeah you’re probably right. Crazy talk.


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Post by Kirbmarc » Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:24 am

Brive1987 wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: I didn’t say they had voted in 2016.

I said there was a (hopefully) long game going on with clear pointers. A game which informs the nascent left push for changes to the electoral college. You think the dems won’t progressively extend the range of “certain local types of elections”? And give voting status to long term tax paying “residents”?

Oh please.
Do you think that it's rational to infer that provisions to give non-citizen parents the right to vote for local education boards are a stepping stone towards giving non-citizens the right to vote in federal elections?

Isn't this just a teensy bit conspiratorial thinking?
Yeah you’re probably right. Crazy talk.

And the House, with a clear Democratic majority, rejected this idea, which isn't EXPLICITLY prohibited by the US constitution, 126 to 305.

Anymore paranoid narratives you are worried about?

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I hope this story has a happy ending.

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Why am I not surprised?

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:12 am

Brive wrote:
You think the dems won’t progressively extend the range of “certain local types of elections”? And give voting status to long term tax paying “residents”?
You seem to think that the Democrats have a larger responsibility for the growing brown skinned menace in the US. When ICE and folks that were attempting to enforce legal immigration tried to get employers to work at not employing illegals the Republicans pushed back at the red tape and were horrified at the idea that employers looking the other way might face significant sanctions against not following the law. That is why Trump can knowingly employ illegals for years or even decades and not even get a slap on the wrist. If they were really interested in slowing illegal immigration they could achieve it by drying up the work opportunities that attracts most of them in the first place. Of course, instead of doing that Trump wants to squander a shit load of money on a wall that is basically just a political prop to keep the rubes happy.
Also, remember that the only time there has been an amnesty that granted the opportunity to stay and gain citizenship it was the conservative demigod Reagan that did it, not the Dems.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:05 pm

free thoughtpolice wrote: Brive wrote:
You think the dems won’t progressively extend the range of “certain local types of elections”? And give voting status to long term tax paying “residents”?
You seem to think that the Democrats have a larger responsibility for the growing brown skinned menace in the US. When ICE and folks that were attempting to enforce legal immigration tried to get employers to work at not employing illegals the Republicans pushed back at the red tape and were horrified at the idea that employers looking the other way might face significant sanctions against not following the law. That is why Trump can knowingly employ illegals for years or even decades and not even get a slap on the wrist. If they were really interested in slowing illegal immigration they could achieve it by drying up the work opportunities that attracts most of them in the first place. Of course, instead of doing that Trump wants to squander a shit load of money on a wall that is basically just a political prop to keep the rubes happy.
Also, remember that the only time there has been an amnesty that granted the opportunity to stay and gain citizenship it was the conservative demigod Reagan that did it, not the Dems.
It's why Republicans are gung-ho for a wall. They don't want a real means of effective deterrence, which would dry up their cheap labor. They want a symbol that will distract the weak-minded and look like they're doing something while keeping those warm bodies hired and working. Of course, when they're no longer useful workers...


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Post by free thoughtpolice » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:23 pm

Trump visits disaster struck Alabama and signs peoples bibles.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... ster-visit
Lots of funny comments but could use some more.
Maybe, 2 Corinthians walk into a bar...
or Thou shalt not bear false witness
maybe Thou shalt not grab thy neighbor's ass nor thy neighbor's wife's pussy
All I can say is I wish I had a trump signed bible. Must be destined as a treasure for collectors.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:34 pm

Trump kept his illegal workers at Mar-A-Lago until press scrutiny forced him to get rid of them. The hypocrisy is amazing, but so many keep falling for it.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:41 pm

free thoughtpolice wrote: Trump visits disaster struck Alabama and signs peoples bibles.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... ster-visit
Lots of funny comments but could use some more.
Maybe, 2 Corinthians walk into a bar...
or Thou shalt not bear false witness
maybe Thou shalt not grab thy neighbor's ass nor thy neighbor's wife's pussy
All I can say is I wish I had a trump signed bible. Must be destined as a treasure for collectors.
I must find one for my dad. He's deeply irreligious and hates Trump, but is fascinated by both religions, Christianity and Trumpism. Lemme know if you find one for sale.

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:27 pm

Kirbmarc wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: I didn’t say they had voted in 2016.

I said there was a (hopefully) long game going on with clear pointers. A game which informs the nascent left push for changes to the electoral college. You think the dems won’t progressively extend the range of “certain local types of elections”? And give voting status to long term tax paying “residents”?

Oh please.
Do you think that it's rational to infer that provisions to give non-citizen parents the right to vote for local education boards are a stepping stone towards giving non-citizens the right to vote in federal elections?

Isn't this just a teensy bit conspiratorial thinking?
Yeah you’re probably right. Crazy talk.

And the House, with a clear Democratic majority, rejected this idea, which isn't EXPLICITLY prohibited by the US constitution, 126 to 305.

Anymore paranoid narratives you are worried about?
Definitely no pattern of thought and action.



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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:09 pm

Brive1987 wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: I didn’t say they had voted in 2016.

I said there was a (hopefully) long game going on with clear pointers. A game which informs the nascent left push for changes to the electoral college. You think the dems won’t progressively extend the range of “certain local types of elections”? And give voting status to long term tax paying “residents”?

Oh please.
Do you think that it's rational to infer that provisions to give non-citizen parents the right to vote for local education boards are a stepping stone towards giving non-citizens the right to vote in federal elections?

Isn't this just a teensy bit conspiratorial thinking?
Yeah you’re probably right. Crazy talk.

And the House, with a clear Democratic majority, rejected this idea, which isn't EXPLICITLY prohibited by the US constitution, 126 to 305.

Anymore paranoid narratives you are worried about?
Definitely no pattern of thought and action.

The measure would have had no practical effect even if it had passed. Illegal immigrants — and indeed noncitizens as a whole — are not legally able to participate in federal elections

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Post by Old_ones » Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:12 pm

Brive1987 wrote:
Old_ones wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: Bullshit. It’s gerrymandering on a grand scale, utterly at odds with the Union.
Gerrymandering is a technique used to game the system so that a faction of voters can weild power disproportionate to their numbers. So what we are talking about is literally the exact opposite of gerrymandering. It would be reforming the system to rid it of bias toward the presidential voters of less populus states.

By the way, since when do you give a fuck about the union? You are the asshole adjutating for ethnically derived citizenship, are you not? Do you think that fits with our constitution or national concept?

Brive1987 wrote: Next someone will question the concept of a “well regulated militia”.
That's a joke right?
And you appear to be that asshole who makes up definitions to suit.

http://i.imgur.com/BuFN39l.jpg
Its funny that you would post that definition, which still contradicts your characterization of jettisoning the electoral college as "gerrymandering". If we are going to go by the literal definition (rather than the spirit of what that definition means) no boundaries are being manipulated. Removing the electoral college would be moving to another calculation, not changing district boundaries. The scheme you posted about is an opt in scheme where states voluntarily pledge their electors to the popular vote winner, so that isn't gerrymandering either.
Brive1987 wrote:
You’ll have to explain how my concern for homogenous western culture in ... the west invalidates an opinion on the American Electoral College tradition (which dates back to the Convention, the Connecticut Compromise and the Three-Fifths Compromise). :think:
Because you are a cryptofascist and a bad faith commentator. You mock and deride "civic nationalism" and then give advice about how my "civic nation" should be governed. You can fucking stuff it.

I would also say that putting the electoral college in the company of the three-fifths compromise probably isn't the best way I could think of to sell it, but maybe you have your own "nuanced" ideas about that.
Brive1987 wrote: Re America as an ol’ fashioned global melting pot .... you might ponder these and contemplate how recently change has occurred.

https://www.nap.edu/read/21746/chapter/3#39

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Why would I? Unlike you I'm not hyperventilating about people from any of those places coming to my country. This might shock you, but I live in a heavily immigrant community and I work with a lot of immigrants. They don't make me uncomfortable and I don't fear their cultures. Some of us have actually talked to and encountered people outside of our own racial groups, so we aren't reflexive xenophobes who freak out when we see people from Latin America walking down the street.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:18 pm

The fiery rhetoric followed numerous reports this week that North Korea has begun new activity to bolster its nuclear weapons program, despite White House assurances following the high profile February meeting in Vietnam that Kim was committed to denuclearization.
When asked about the NBC report on Wednesday, Trump said he would "be very disappointed if that were happening," and falsely claimed that the White House had already released information about the new activity at the missile sites.

"I would be very, very disappointed in Chairman Kim and I don't think I will be, but we'll see what happens. We'll take a look. It'll ultimately get solved," Trump said.

While some applaud the increased dialogue between the U.S. and the notoriously isolated kingdom, Trump has come under criticism for organizing such a high profile summit with Kim without a clear mandate for what they could accomplish, and ultimately walking away from it prematurely and without an agreement. North Korea watchers fear the publicity gave further legitimacy to the Kim regime – considered the principle reason why the young hermetic leader has pushed for the development of functional nuclear weapons during his rule.

Trump's decision to scale back military exercises with South Korea – or "war games" as both he and Kim call them – such as the high profile Foal Eagle drills that involve upwards of 10,000 sea, air and ground-based troops, essentially adopted a Chinese suggestion known as "freeze for freeze," in which the U.S. would reduce its high-profile training operations with Seoul in exchange for North Korean denuclearization. While the exercises are designed to prepare the U.S.-South Korean alliance for the case of actual conflict, some experts say downsizing them will damage relations between the two countries over concerns Trump is prioritizing relations with Kim over South Korean security.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/artic ... r-activity

Just rebuilding a roof and doors, lol.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:54 pm

Do I even read the shit I post? Why yes, yes I do.

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:30 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
The measure would have had no practical effect even if it had passed. Illegal immigrants — and indeed noncitizens as a whole — are not legally able to participate in federal elections
:bjarte: it’s the changing Ideology manifest in this initiatives I’m referencing. Not the immediate pragmatics. Classic redirect.

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:07 pm

Old_ones wrote: :bjarte:
My aren’t you an angry little pocket rocket. Your applied ‘tolerance’ is tragically hilarious.

Pausing your own hyperventilation for a moment. It appears your original definition for gerrymandering was indeed inaccurate and self serving. But now you’d like a micro-debate around the word “boundary”. Please? How about “no”.

Let’s just agree the Democrats would like to change the rules in a manner which benefits their likelihood of seizing power. On the basis of out of spectrum demographic change. But really because of course, they are concerned with abstract fairness. :lol:

It also appears that your “constitution [and] national concept” was until very recently euro-centric. Whatever the hell you have now is a 20-30 year old woke experiment. Your inside the equivalent of a Berkeley sit-in. But let’s not engage with the data.

Because I am a Nazi and you have black friends.

The face of America today. :bjarte:

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:24 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: Do I even read the shit I post? Why yes, yes I do.
https...://mobile.twitter.com/willripleyCNN/status/1104158188830568448
That’s a start. Now you just have to mentally engage.

Two sides nearly have a fight.
They broker an initial dialog to size each other up.
They each make general positive noises.
They meet again and make hard-assed upfront demands.
They stalk off.
They posture and threaten to fight again. (And CFB erupts in glee :burn:)
The brawl either begins or they meet again to find accommodation.
Process continues.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:18 pm

Brive1987 wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: Do I even read the shit I post? Why yes, yes I do.
https...://mobile.twitter.com/willripleyCNN/status/1104158188830568448
That’s a start. Now you just have to mentally engage.

Two sides nearly have a fight.
They broker an initial dialog to size each other up.
They each make general positive noises.
They meet again and make hard-assed upfront demands.
They stalk off.
They posture and threaten to fight again. (And CFB erupts in glee :burn:)
The brawl either begins or they meet again to find accommodation.
Process continues.
Or erupts in war, because Trump is unable to deal for shit. As I posted earlier, we were not on the verge of a war. Kim gained big, Trump got played. Giving up the "war games" was huge, because in the event of a war, SK and USA need to be tightly coordinated across language barriers to avoid friendly fire incidents and to minimize civilian casualties. The thought that the conference was anything but a disaster for Trump is wishful thinking beyond any reason.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:22 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: Do I even read the shit I post? Why yes, yes I do.
https...://mobile.twitter.com/willripleyCNN/status/1104158188830568448
That’s a start. Now you just have to mentally engage.

Two sides nearly have a fight.
They broker an initial dialog to size each other up.
They each make general positive noises.
They meet again and make hard-assed upfront demands.
They stalk off.
They posture and threaten to fight again. (And CFB erupts in glee :burn:)
The brawl either begins or they meet again to find accommodation.
Process continues.
Or erupts in war, because Trump is unable to deal for shit. As I posted earlier, we were not on the verge of a war. Kim gained big, Trump got played. Giving up the "war games" was huge, because in the event of a war, SK and USA need to be tightly coordinated across language barriers to avoid friendly fire incidents and to minimize civilian casualties. The thought that the conference was anything but a disaster for Trump is wishful thinking beyond any reason.
I have friends stationed in South Korea, and friends in South Korea. The thought that I would "erupt in glee" is despicable. Trump's play got us closer to war.

An armed standoff was never ideal, but nobody with an ounce of sense, including our own intelligence agencies know that Kim isn't going to do anything but play for time until he can threaten the USA.

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:24 pm

Trump has proved far less likely to “do war” than his predecessors. If war breaks out it will be because America has drawn an actual line in the sand and North Korea is determined to cross it.

I just feel we are too soon into the process to draw firm OMB conclusions.

Re the pawns. Reinitiating wargames would not be an insurmountable thing to do. Neither (apparently) is reactivating missile bases. Meanwhile I doubt American and ROK command and control protocols have instantly degraded over the past 6 months or so.

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:31 pm

“Glee” in the sense you immediately mobilised an (apparent) temporary setback as anti-Trump leverage. I don’t actually think we are closer to war (and your friends in any more danger) than they were under Obama’s strategic inertia.

Don’t forget, NKorea promised to toast Australia when they decide to spaz out. So we all want Trump’s initiative to work and we are all keen to be seen supporting his extended dialogs.

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