WASHINGTON: US President Donald Trump called Monday for "a long prison term" after his ex-lawyer Michael Cohen admitted lying to Congress about pursuing a real estate deal with Russia on Trump's behalf during the 2016 election campaign.
He also repeated his accusation that Special Counsel Robert Mueller -- who is investigating possible collusion between Russia and Trump's campaign -- is forcing witnesses to make up lies damaging to the president.
How is this not intimidating witnesses or abuse of power by trying to pressure a judge's decision? Also:
The president praised former political advisor Roger Stone, who has rejected allegations that he abetted Russian interference to help Trump in the 2016 election through contacts with WikiLeaks, which published stolen emails that embarrassed Trump's Democratic rival Hillary Clinton.
Trump cited Stone's pledge to never testify against him.
"Nice to know that some people still have 'guts!'" Trump wrote.
Pardon me, but isn't that possible witness tampering?
WASHINGTON: US President Donald Trump called Monday for "a long prison term" after his ex-lawyer Michael Cohen admitted lying to Congress about pursuing a real estate deal with Russia on Trump's behalf during the 2016 election campaign.
He also repeated his accusation that Special Counsel Robert Mueller -- who is investigating possible collusion between Russia and Trump's campaign -- is forcing witnesses to make up lies damaging to the president.
How is this not intimidating witnesses or abuse of power by trying to pressure a judge's decision? Also:
The president praised former political advisor Roger Stone, who has rejected allegations that he abetted Russian interference to help Trump in the 2016 election through contacts with WikiLeaks, which published stolen emails that embarrassed Trump's Democratic rival Hillary Clinton.
Trump cited Stone's pledge to never testify against him.
"Nice to know that some people still have 'guts!'" Trump wrote.
Pardon me, but isn't that possible witness tampering?
It is absolutely, clearly witness tampering. Can you imagine Trump's attorneys reading that shit for the first time? Let's hope they were already on the toilet when it happened. The Very Stable Genius says things a half-bright middle schooler would no not to mention. Of course, to QAnon, it's 4 Dimensional chess...
Hey! He's trying to swamp the drain! Glampers off libtards!
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:12 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny
One thing you have to admire about Trump, is his sheer, brazen balls. He may not have intelligence, ethics or even the least sense of what he's doing, but he does have big cojones. He's flagrantly defying the law and ethics, and daring somebody to try and stop him. It's up to Mueller now. Showdown in the Swamp...naw, somerbody help me out here...Beat Down on Beltway? Dammit...
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:14 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny
free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑
Hey! He's trying to swamp the drain! Glampers off libtards!
It's almost worth getting a Twitter account to follow the weird, twisting tale of Qanon. It makes Pizzagate look like a high society brunch.
Trump may have reason to be concerned, given that in a late-night court filing in Manhattan Friday, Cohen's lawyers revealed that their client, a former Trump fixer, has been cooperating with four separate law enforcement groups: Mueller, the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Southern District of New York, the New York attorney general's office, and the New York State Department of Taxation and Finance.
VIEW THIS GRAPHIC ON NBCNEWS.COM
Basically, Trump can only pardon federal crimes. He might be looking at some problems beyond his "get out of jail free" card can fix. The article is worth a read.
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:10 pm
by Mr. X, Indeed
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ↑
One thing you have to admire about Trump, is his sheer, brazen balls. He may not have intelligence, ethics or even the least sense of what he's doing, but he does have big cojones. He's flagrantly defying the law and ethics, and daring somebody to try and stop him. It's up to Mueller now. Showdown in the Swamp...naw, somerbody help me out here...Beat Down on Beltway? Dammit...
Duel in the District?
Imbroglio at the Mar-a-Lago?
The Joust over Jobbery?
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:31 am
by Kirbmarc
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ↑One thing you have to admire about Trump, is his sheer, brazen balls. He may not have intelligence, ethics or even the least sense of what he's doing, but he does have big cojones. He's flagrantly defying the law and ethics, and daring somebody to try and stop him.
Textbook narcissism. Narcissists believe that everything is owed to them and that nothing can stop them. He DOES care about being popular and beloved by his fans, he's even desperate for approval and recognition, but believes all his critics to be simply personal haters out to get him because it's him.
He fits PERFECTLY into our media-obsessed society, that's one of the reasons why he was elected president. He's first and foremost a celebrity. He's good at getting attention with shameless antics. He has a lot in common with the contestants on his old game show, he just is much richer and more famous.
We live in a world that heavily rewards narcissists on social media. Trump's rise to power is, by and large, a product of our times.
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:35 am
by Kirbmarc
Basically Trump approaches the laws and ethics that regulate his job as a president as if they were the rules of a reality show: they're there to make the challenge of cheating and scamming the other contestants harder, otherwise they're guidelines at best, and if you have the support of a vocal fan base you can do whatever you want and still win.
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:35 am
by Kirbmarc
Basically Trump approaches the laws and ethics that regulate his job as a president as if they were the rules of a reality show: they're there to make the challenge of cheating and scamming the other contestants harder, otherwise they're guidelines at best, and if you have the support of a vocal fan base you can do whatever you want and still win.
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:56 am
by CaptainFluffyBunny
Only the best people...
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:23 am
by free thoughtpolice
Wasn't the buzz supposed to be that Epstein got off easy because he was pals with Bill and Hillary? The prudent course would be to open an investigation of the Clintons in this matter and another investigation of why the other investigations haven't gotten the Clintons locked up yet.
Epstein is also a longtime friend of Prince Andrew and Tom Barrack,[54] and has partied with celebrities such as President Donald Trump,[55] Katie Couric, George Stephanopoulos, and Woody Allen.[56] Trump said of Epstein in 2002: "I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."[57]
The friction came to a head in early 2017 when senior officials offered Trump charts and graphics laying out the numbers and showing a “hockey stick” spike in the national debt in the not-too-distant future. In response, Trump noted that the data suggested the debt would reach a critical mass only after his possible second term in office.
“Yeah, but I won’t be here,” the president bluntly said, according to a source who was in the room when Trump made this comment during discussions on the debt.
Trump University as sold to a nation, apparently almost half of whom are suckers.
The friction came to a head in early 2017 when senior officials offered Trump charts and graphics laying out the numbers and showing a “hockey stick” spike in the national debt in the not-too-distant future. In response, Trump noted that the data suggested the debt would reach a critical mass only after his possible second term in office.
“Yeah, but I won’t be here,” the president bluntly said, according to a source who was in the room when Trump made this comment during discussions on the debt.
Trump University as sold to a nation, apparently almost half of whom are suckers.
"Yeah, but I won't be here" is the real motto of the Trump administration.
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:23 pm
by free thoughtpolice
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:38 am
by CaptainFluffyBunny
Read the whole thread. H/T SkepTickle.
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:34 am
by Kirbmarc
Move on, SJWs, you've all been out-snowflaked. "Presidential Harassment" :bjarte:
Also he's also getting more and more delusional. His approval rating was never higher than 48%, and that was far before the Muller investigation (which started in May 2017). Even the absolutely most favorable and skewed polling NEVER rated his approval rating higher than 55%.
Since we haven't had any Trump defenders here lately, allow me.
Orange man bad.
They all do it. Trump derangement syndrome.
Hillary would have been worse.
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:01 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny
free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑
Since we haven't had any Trump defenders here lately, allow me.
Orange man bad.
They all do it. Trump derangement syndrome.
Hillary would have been worse.
Thank you! I was missing the witty and subtle repartee of the Trumpettes. But for Brive, I think you should include "owning the libs," but with a dash of bitter ANZAC. Smooth taste and calms the nerves.
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:46 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny
Lost even the toupee talking head. Maybe Orange Man is bad?
Lost even the toupee talking head. Maybe Orange Man is bad?
Tucker Carlson has principles. Terrible principles, far-right, ultra-conservative principles, bigoted ones, but still, he believes in something, he has actual ideas. He might even have read a few books on politics or philosophy.
Trump is just a shit-stirring con man who has exploited bigotry only as a mean to the end of getting rich and rewarding his cronies. He also enjoys the trill of having a fan base and having power in general. But beyond that he doesn't really give a shit. "Yeah, but I won't be here". Some Trump supporters are slowly realizing that they've been conned and that all the "owning the libs" doesn't actually amount to much in concrete terms.
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:22 pm
by Kirbmarc
Also Calrson is 100% right when he says that Trump is too ignorant and scatter-brained to fulfill his campaign promises.
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:30 pm
by Kirbmarc
Basically there two kinds of Trump fans: the ones who only want to "trigger the libs" and cheer for their Gold Haired Emperor, and the committed ultra-conservatives/far-righters like Carlson, who actually wanted the wall, the "muslim ban", and other paleocon ideas like cutting Planned Parenthood and gutting the ACA.
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:00 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny
Huh, still no mention of this voter fraud by the conservative types. Massive fraud that may have tainted the election, and crickets from those that were screaming about fraud before the election. Weird, huh?
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:19 pm
by Sunder
Got a nit to pick: Voter fraud is fraud perpetrated by voters. This is election fraud. The main difference is that the latter actually happens sometimes (and wouldn't be stopped by voter ID laws because, again, it's not the voters committing the fraud).
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:28 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny
Sunder wrote: ↑
Got a nit to pick: Voter fraud is fraud perpetrated by voters. This is election fraud. The main difference is that the latter actually happens sometimes (and wouldn't be stopped by voter ID laws because, again, it's not the voters committing the fraud).
You are correct, apologies.
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:19 am
by John D
Kirbmarc wrote: ↑
Basically there two kinds of Trump fans: the ones who only want to "trigger the libs" and cheer for their Gold Haired Emperor, and the committed ultra-conservatives/far-righters like Carlson, who actually wanted the wall, the "muslim ban", and other paleocon ideas like cutting Planned Parenthood and gutting the ACA.
You are oversimplifying as usual. Trump's popularity is something in the range of 40 to 45%. That's over 100 million people.... so... yeah.
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:38 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny
OMFG, now that is leadership. My guess is Trump heard Tillerson's "Trump asked me to do illegal things."
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ↑
OMFG, now that is leadership. My guess is Trump heard Tillerson's "Trump asked me to do illegal things."
Also Tillerson called Trump a "fucking moron" so Trump is triggered.
That was leaked behind the scenes stuff. Calling your former Chief o' Staff dumb as a rock on Twitter is hilarious stuff. Only the best people, amirite?
If the Southern District’s fury at Cohen is notable, its explicit accusation that President Trump directed and coordinated campaign finance violations is simply stunning. The prosecutors’ openness suggests they are sure of their evidence and have mostly finished collecting it. It’s a sign of a fully-developed, late-game investigation of the president’s role, one that may soon make its way to Congress.
There's more. The notion that the President didn't collude with a hostile foreign power or break campaign finance law may now be thoroughly dismissed. Not only that, but there is a great deal of firm evidence to prove it. Trump has tried to brazenly lie his way through this, I guess we'll see how well that works. But any defense of Trump must now be made with the full knowledge that he broke the law and may well be considered a traitor.
If the Southern District’s fury at Cohen is notable, its explicit accusation that President Trump directed and coordinated campaign finance violations is simply stunning. The prosecutors’ openness suggests they are sure of their evidence and have mostly finished collecting it. It’s a sign of a fully-developed, late-game investigation of the president’s role, one that may soon make its way to Congress.
There's more. The notion that the President didn't collude with a hostile foreign power or break campaign finance law may now be thoroughly dismissed. Not only that, but there is a great deal of firm evidence to prove it. Trump has tried to brazenly lie his way through this, I guess we'll see how well that works. But any defense of Trump must now be made with the full knowledge that he broke the law and may well be considered a traitor.
But a flurry of recent activity this past week all points in the same direction: Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation will likely implicate the president, his campaign, and his close associates in aiding and abetting a Russian conspiracy against the United States to undermine the 2016 election.
Third, Mueller has found evidence that Trump was compromised by a hostile foreign power during the election. In his plea deal, Cohen revealed that Trump had repeatedly lied to voters about the then-candidate’s financial ties Russia. While Trump claimed during the campaign to have no business dealings with Russia, he was negotiating a wildly lucrative business deal not simply with Russian businessmen, but also involving with the Kremlin itself. Trump’s team even reportedly tried to bribe Russian President Vladimir Putin by offering him a $50 million penthouse.
Worse, Russia not only knew that Trump was lying, but when investigators first started looking into this deal, the Kremlin helped Trump cover up what really happened. That made Trump doubly compromised: first, because he was eager to get the financial payout and second because Russia had evidence he was lying to the American people—evidence they could have held over Trump by threatening to reveal at any time.
A little breathless, but not wrong. And, of course, this is simply the tip of the iceberg. The full report should be very interesting.
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:13 am
by Kirbmarc
While Trump claimed during the campaign to have no business dealings with Russia, he was negotiating a wildly lucrative business deal not simply with Russian businessmen, but also involving with the Kremlin itself.
I wonder if this is a reference to the Rosneft sale that was talked about in the infamous "peeing hookers" Steele dossier.
While Trump claimed during the campaign to have no business dealings with Russia, he was negotiating a wildly lucrative business deal not simply with Russian businessmen, but also involving with the Kremlin itself.
I wonder if this is a reference to the Rosneft sale that was talked about in the infamous "peeing hookers" Steele dossier.
I dunno, this is only a small bit of the puzzle. It does speak to how confident Mueller is in his evidence.
Interesting take. I think that Dems might look weak by not impeaching, but a lot will depend on the final report.
IF there's an impeachment, the GOP are going to be in shambles even more. They've invested too much on Trump, and an impeachment will taint their reputation even more. Plus at least some of the Trump uber-fans will likely stay home or vote for some third party, disgusted by the "cuck betrayal".
I don't think that any impeachment process, IF there is one, is going to be quick and painless anyway. Trump will fight it at any stage and use every trick he can to avoid it. It's going to be long and messy and if he goes to wreck the GOP to stay in power he will.
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:51 pm
by Sunder
It's becoming increasingly likely that 2020 is just gone for the Republicans. Dems would have to run Hillary Clinton again with a campaign slogan of "Fuck You Dumbasses, I Told Ya So!" to even have a shot at losing. The only thing Trump is still any good for is judicial appointments, and Pence would be good enough for the remaining two years if they could hang onto him. The only tricky part is wondering how much bitter-enders will damage mainstream Republicans in their primaries.
Or to put it another way, I wouldn't be surprised if the party leadership is floating the idea of superdelegates.
Re: The Trump Dump!
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:04 pm
by free thoughtpolice
The transcript of the GOP house interview of Comey held yesterday: https://www.scribd.com/document/3952395 ... from_embed
So far I've only read about 1/3 of it. Pretty dry , trivial stuff. A weak attempt to try cast a doubt about the Clinton tapes investigation and the launching of the Russia investigation that makes the Gowdy posse look downright pathetic.
The transcript of the GOP house interview of Comey held yesterday: https://www.scribd.com/document/3952395 ... from_embed
So far I've only read about 1/3 of it. Pretty dry , trivial stuff. A weak attempt to try cast a doubt about the Clinton tapes investigation and the launching of the Russia investigation that makes the Gowdy posse look downright pathetic.
