If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

I would just like to get a notion as to what the general political leanings of the Slymepitters are. FTB'ers might tar us as libertarians or conservatives but I don't think that holds up in reality. I think we're more likely a politically diverse group that just happens to share a skepticism of dogmatic gender identity politics and radical feminist demagoguery. In other circumstances, we might be at each other's throats. :P

I have left of centre views, myself. From that political compass test (www.politicalcompass.org) I scored somewhere in the middle of the lower left quadrant.

I I'm very lower left quadrant: I was fairly close to Tony Benn when I did the political compass thingy back in the days when he was still an entity in UK Politics.

I think it's also the anti-authoritarian stance many of us have, regardless of our political differences, that turned us off to the FTB/Skepchick crowd. Paula Kirby wasn't the only one to pick up on the "totalitarian thought" from them. Vilification of dissent, groupthink, declaring critics persona non grata, banning or suppressing criticism, even occasional threats of violence, polarization, "you're with us or against us" mentality, character assassination, divisive ideological and KKK-esque rhetorical labels like "gender traitor", "chill girl", "sister punisher",... and all sorts of other red flags.

I'm left libertarian on the Political Compass scale - in the company of Nelson Mandela and Gandhi. Nevertheless, I'd be quite happy having a beer with Barrack Obama, and one of my good friends is probably right libertarian.

It looks like I'm almost an anarchist. No, but Economic Left/Right: -4.38, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.44 which puts me further away from authroritarian than Gandhi or the dilly lama

Close to mine Petal...

Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.23

I chose libertarian because I think it's probably the most important - I'm libertarian on personal issues in the I-think-everyone-has-body-autonomy and can do what they want with their body. Far left when it comes to social services, far right when it comes to respecting cultures and where doing-what-you-want-to-your-body conflicts with what social services want to keep you away from. Economically slightly left of centre.

*Bump*

Interesting diversity in political views. It's ironic that the A+ crowd say they want to foster diversity, but in reality they act more like an insular cult, demanding absolute homogeneity and chasing away dissenters. The Slymepit actually has greater political diversity than A+, but with the one thing we have in common being the opposition towards dogmatic ideological feminism.

rayshul unplugged wrote:I chose libertarian because I think it's probably the most important - I'm libertarian on personal issues in the I-think-everyone-has-body-autonomy and can do what they want with their body. Far left when it comes to social services, far right when it comes to respecting cultures and where doing-what-you-want-to-your-body conflicts with what social services want to keep you away from. Economically slightly left of centre.

Far right when it comes to respecting cultures? What's that mean?

Anyway, my political leanings are Whatever Makes Sense and Whatever Works Best as well as Whatever Results In The Most Pros.

Eucliwood wrote:

rayshul unplugged wrote:I chose libertarian because I think it's probably the most important - I'm libertarian on personal issues in the I-think-everyone-has-body-autonomy and can do what they want with their body. Far left when it comes to social services, far right when it comes to respecting cultures and where doing-what-you-want-to-your-body conflicts with what social services want to keep you away from. Economically slightly left of centre.

Far right when it comes to respecting cultures? What's that mean?

Anyway, my political leanings are Whatever Makes Sense and Whatever Works Best as well as Whatever Results In The Most Pros.

I don't give a shit about people's cultures.

I think we should respect people's cultures only to a certain extent (i.e. if they sit on the floor while eating, who gives a shit but if they want to believe in a magical fairy God with a strict set of rules or want to cut up their kids' genitals, then we should feel free to criticise them).

One of the worst possible things to be is a cultural relativist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_relativism).

rocko, I already like you!

welcome aboard!

I am also a noobie (been here a whole enitre day wooo), but as of yet, am too damn lazy to properly introduce myself!

rocko2466 wrote:I think we should respect people's cultures only to a certain extent (i.e. if they sit on the floor while eating, who gives a shit but if they want to believe in a magical fairy God with a strict set of rules or want to cut up their kids' genitals, then we should feel free to criticise them).

One of the worst possible things to be is a cultural relativist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_relativism).

See, I don't think that part falls under "respecting their culture". It's none of my fucking business where people choose to eat or do whatever they want as long as it's within the law and it's not so barmy that it requires another law to be made specifically to ban it because we didn't have one in the first place. Otherwise it's just people going about their business.

Wayhey, I'm the only right-of-centre peep here.

Though I support equal-marriage, reproductive rights and am very anti-statist. Odd that.

is this "European socialism"? or "damn red commies socialism" from "amurrica"?

i voted socialist, but im probably more a social republican in European political terms

The only political party I support is Pirate Party Australia. At least they're trying to do some good for Australia.

AspieAtheist wrote:The only political party I support is Pirate Party Australia. At least they're trying to do some good for Australia.

Quite like your Sex Party too. Pity they did do a bit of the "WE MUST HAVE EQUAL NUMBERS OF WOMEN AND MEN IN PARLIAMENT" schtick though.

I'm also very lower left on the compass test. Politically I'm Green (although the quality of green parties can be a bit hit and miss especially on the national level), closest to European social democrats out of the major parties.

Nice to see at least one other Pirate :)

I took the quiz and came up: Economic Left/Right: -9.88, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.00 .

I'm a pragmatic idealist with anarchic, socialist and centrist leanings/standings.

My primary dogma is self preservation at all cost unless it isn't really worth it. The practical application of that depends on what and who I consider a part of myself at any given moment.

I consider myself a centrist

the quiz says:

Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.00

Economic Left/Right: -7.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.13

Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15

Which is probably about right. My major problem when it comes to voting has always been that every party has at least some point I disagree quite strongly on. So usually I end up casting a blank vote. Last election (Sweden) I did vote for the green party as the lesser evil, even though I strongly disagree with their anti-nuclear power stance.

I guess I have much of an anarchist bent - decentralized, local voluntary decision making whenever possible.

Economic Left/Right: -7.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.87

I would say I'm inspired by ideas about anarchism, but worried about how they would apply to the real world.

Left anarchist.

I'm a card-carrying member of the Socialist Party of the United States, which is Democratic Socialist.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/faceboo ... &soc=-5.49

AspieAtheist wrote:The only political party I support is Pirate Party Australia. At least they're trying to do some good for Australia.

Australia has a pirate party? Why do I think thats less cool than it sounds?

Pagancat wrote:

AspieAtheist wrote:The only political party I support is Pirate Party Australia. At least they're trying to do some good for Australia.

Australia has a pirate party? Why do I think thats less cool than it sounds?

Pirate parties are also springing up in some Scandinavian countries. I know Sweden for sure has one.

16bitheretic wrote:

Pagancat wrote:

AspieAtheist wrote:The only political party I support is Pirate Party Australia. At least they're trying to do some good for Australia.

Australia has a pirate party? Why do I think thats less cool than it sounds?

Pirate parties are also springing up in some Scandinavian countries. I know Sweden for sure has one.

I believe Sweden's Pirate Party were the original.

My results from that test are interesting, to me anyway lol.


Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.08

I'm further left than i thought, and more deeply libertarian than i thought. (According to the results).

Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.51

Milton Friedman is my father.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/faceboo ... &soc=-3.90

Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.44

So according to their chart, a bit left of Mandela and a bit right of Gandhi.

Yep, that looks pretty correct

Economic Left/Right: 5.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.03

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printab ... &soc=-5.03

I self-identify more as an anarchist or minarchist.

This was fun:

Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.08
(smack in the light green field, like the rest of you it seems)

not very surprised, ideologically I've considered myself a classical liberal with a strong emphasis on personal freedoms and rights for quite some time, but economically I'm leaning to a mixed economy with a strong state. IMO, free markets are usually good, but not always, and you lose most of their theoretical benefits if they aren't regulated to keep monopolies and oligopolies at bay.

Economic Left/Right: 3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.72

http://www.politicalcompass.org/faceboo ... &soc=-0.72

Hmmm, looks like I'm a slightly more libertarian Ghandi:

So, no option for apolitics?

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:So, no option for apolitics?

You an declare yourself a cunt if you wish.

s/an/can/

With this outbreak of political compass-ology, I should really knock up a spreadsheet chart showing all the red dots. Self-selected reponses, i know, but it would be an easy graphic rebuttal to Maoist fuckwits like Setar.

That test is really terribly flawed. I am a little surprised no one has pointed the many, many weaknesses it has, one of the most glaring being the lack of a neutral option, and another being the wording of the questions is so poorly done as to render many of the question/answer combinations useless.

I define myself mostly as Anti Authoritarian. I'n in favour of socialised medicine but very much against general redistribution of wealth. I back pretty much all the individual liberty causes and I'm pretty much against group rights I back gay rights and equality feminism beacsue they are about individual rights, I hate geneder feminism. I'm a hard nut animal rights fruitcake.

I don't like the political compass because it doesn't show the extreme authoritarian nature of much of the left today.

John Greg wrote:That test is really terribly flawed. I am a little surprised no one has pointed the many, many weaknesses it has, one of the most glaring being the lack of a neutral option, and another being the wording of the questions is so poorly done as to render many of the question/answer combinations useless.

True, it's not great, but since this test is so commonly used it's still interesting as a relative ballpark measure.

Bit of an imperfect categorization. For example, I'm far left of centre, but to call me 'socialist' without qualification would simply be wrong. Nevertheless had to go with 'socialist' since it's at least more accurate than a mere 'generally left of centre', especially considering what Americans think of as 'centre' and 'left of centre'. For me, their left of centre is my right of centre.

I ticked Libertarian but I'm a moderate one.

Note: For entertainment purposes only. I will make common cause with any skeptic or atheist, regardless of their political views.

* Theoretical socialist, pragmatic liberal;
* Former life-long democrat now independent and revolted by the corruption and hypocrisy of the US two-party buttfuck;
* Don't oppose big gov't per se, just the dickweeds & whores currently in charge;
* Extremely concerned over the recent expansion of the imperial presidency by both Dems and Gops and the abrogation of our Constitutional rights. (Y'all jack off to your 2nd Amd. while they've stolen your 1st, 5th & 6th);
* Alarmed by the growing fascism of the prog left (e.g. OFA, A+, MSNBC);
* Support universal health care and free higher education;
* View the plutocracy as encysted strongyles who must be purged, their stuff distributed at $1 yard sales;
* Oppose immigration legal & illegal as incompatible with environmental sustainability;
* Oppose war as the first option (e.g. Iraq), but acknowledge that bombing the utter shit out of a country is sometimes apropos (e.g. Serbia);
* Enthusiastically support equality on all levels, (just this morning was called by a female friend "one of the best feminists I know, whether you like that label or not"):
* Believe affirmative action should return to JFK's original concept of tearing down barriers, not erecting Sirens of Titan type artificial hindrances to the s.g. "privileged";
* Oh, and nobody's doing a gorram-thing about Global Warming, and that's gonna get us all killed.

Y'all pick a category for me.
(See more of my split personality here: http://trueliberalnexus.wordpress.com/)