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- Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:18 pm
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
- Topic: In 2017 Idiocracy is a Documentary
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Re: In 2017 Idiocracy is a Documentary
Should know this by now , but any Minneapolitans on here? Weather, cheap accommodation? Older brother terminal. getting emergency passport tomorrow, hopefully evisa after that (New Zealand). Don't want to bother my sister-in-law, she's distraught.
- Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:55 pm
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
- Topic: The Refuge of the Toads
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There is some beaucoup bullshit happening in new zealand media at the moment, a celeb dude is being shit on in the media for being a "casual racist", the fucking race relations commissioner is in on the act, and it's a level of retard which makes me a little disgusted in the country for sure ditto!...
- Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:04 pm
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
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There's always Matiu/Somes. Just a short ferry ride. Cheap as chips! 13$ per night for the campground! Or Kapiti! Can you stay the night on Kapiti?rayshul wrote:By the by I want to go on holiday, any pitters want to go crash a Pacific Island for a weekend?
(They are Pacific islands, after all) :D
- Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:08 pm
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
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:D :naughty:MarcusAu wrote:There are some that say that the term 'pakeha' is inherently offensive.
Myself - I don't give a hangi for the treaty of Waitangi.
- Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:38 pm
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
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I was right in the middle of a sandwich, Now I'm crying.Shatterface wrote:John Glenn is dead.
#RightStuff #Fuck2016
- Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:30 pm
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When I converse with SJW's I simply replace the term racism with prejudice or bigotry, only because I don't want the argument derailed by semantics, but I've never understood the SJW definition of racism as "power + prejudice". I'm white, but I'm just Joe Schmoe. What power do I have? I can't hire ...
- Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:55 pm
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
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Catholics have always struck me as the nuttiest of Christians. People go on and on about the craziness of Mormons. All the Mormons I've met seem to live their lives pretending they don't know the tenets (or tenants, if you prefer) of their own religion, but Catholics FUCKING BELIEVE IT, and parade ...
- Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:18 pm
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
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When I converse with SJW's I simply replace the term racism with prejudice or bigotry, only because I don't want the argument derailed by semantics, but I've never understood the SJW definition of racism as "power + prejudice". I'm white, but I'm just Joe Schmoe. What power do I have? I can't hire ...
- Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:13 pm
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
- Topic: The Refuge of the Toads
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I seem to have kids in the Queer Kid Stuff chick's target audience and can confirm my kids are much more interested in how they can become a transdinosaur. rayshul, I expect my grandson (3 on new years eve) identifies as a some kind of dump truck. Or maybe a crane, hard to tell, lots of trucks and ...
- Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:26 pm
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
- Topic: The Refuge of the Toads
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All cooked to an authentic Napoli recipe. https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR4UuV9dDYBGlPThHBYeVS1tMNPrAkbYKTEIQdVPeoWj_chD10AtyqCJ6CXRg Oh god, dear god, please no. I thought the kiwi fave of ham and pineapple (or more recently butter chicken ) were the worst. Obviously I was w...
- Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:08 pm
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
- Topic: The Refuge of the Toads
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No no no no. (prob'ly ninja'd) Castro died in 2006. Conservapedia SAYS SO! :DROBOKiTTY wrote:RIP Castro:
- Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:39 pm
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
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Me! Just me! I am Queen of the pit! :D
- Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:14 pm
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Been reading back and realized a post I made a couple days back was wonky based on unexpected grief. Should have read 'my worst Thanksgiving ever!' Happy Thanksgiving to all pitizenz. Amerikanzki wise. Happy turkey day! You're still a few days early. Not even Kiwis can see that far into the future....
- Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:42 am
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
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Been reading back and realized a post I made a couple days back was wonky based on unexpected grief. Should have read 'my worst Thanksgiving ever!' Happy Thanksgiving to all pitizenz. Amerikanzki wise. Happy turkey day!
- Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:43 pm
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
- Topic: The Refuge of the Toads
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Happy worst Thanksgiving evar! In 65 years! to all pitizenz.
- Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:36 pm
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
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Safety goggles. OMG yes.
- Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:21 pm
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
- Topic: The Refuge of the Toads
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That's interesting. They haven't closed comments on the Skepticon videos yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U187_3KvvVI Prob'ly ninja'd, but what is wrong with these people? We aren't even in a Trump administration yet. Nothing has happened, nothing has changed. I know it has been discussed here ...
- Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:41 pm
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
- Topic: The Refuge of the Toads
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You lot are great. Much needed giggles in the last couple pages.
- Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:04 pm
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Ah, hard times. Hold fast, and good luck. All you kiwis keep us posted.[/quote] It is getting less shaky at the moment. Storm I think has passed. If you want me to do anything for your fam let me know. They've been putting Clementine Ford articles in there. Happily the comments suggest that NZ hasn'...
- Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:58 pm
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Ok feeling sad and helpless tonight. Endless aftershocks in Wellington, torrents of rain, the street where my son works cordoned off over the possible collapse of a modern! building. little granddaughter anxious, reliving the previous quakes. Local paper = rag still giving time to far left liberals...
- Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:45 am
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
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Ok feeling sad and helpless tonight. Endless aftershocks in Wellington, torrents of rain, the street where my son works cordoned off over the possible collapse of a modern! building. little granddaughter anxious, reliving the previous quakes. Local paper = rag still giving time to far left liberals...
- Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:38 am
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
- Topic: The Refuge of the Toads
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Ok feeling sad and helpless tonight. Endless aftershocks in Wellington, torrents of rain, the street where my son works cordoned off over the possible collapse of a modern! building. little granddaughter anxious, reliving the previous quakes. Local paper = rag still giving time to far left liberals...
- Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:33 am
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
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Yup cows rule. Never mind all those people stranded in Kaikoura.MarcusAu wrote:Meanwhile in other world news...
Order has been restored in NZ - the livestock has been rescued from 'Cow Island'
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ed-9255510
- Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:18 pm
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
- Topic: The Refuge of the Toads
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Ok feeling sad and helpless tonight. Endless aftershocks in Wellington, torrents of rain, the street where my son works cordoned off over the possible collapse of a modern! building. little granddaughter anxious, reliving the previous quakes. Local paper = rag still giving time to far left liberals ...
- Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:25 pm
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
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You meant to ask: what sin did you commit that evoked the anger of the Kiwi Gods?[/quote] I still call a "jandal" a thong.[/quote] It's the chafing round the nethers that gets me.[/quote] Yep, those blisters between the toes at the beginning of summer. (which apparently is never going to happen arou...
- Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:54 pm
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
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off the front page mumble edit mumble
- Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:52 pm
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Have you been to see the isolators at Te Papa? Pretty interesting. Decades ago, when we lived in Wellington, we went to concerts at the old town hall on a regular basis. One night, we're under the balcony, a quake hits, audible breath from audience, orchestra never missed a beat! No - but I did exp...
- Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:51 pm
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That sounds good, rayshul. My son works at the National Library, but they live up the Hutt in a small sturdy 1940s place. Haven't heard whether the power is back on yet, just got home from work. All the retrofitting of the last 30 years was clearly worth it. Dude might get a few days off on the up ...
- Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:32 pm
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We're still rocking. http://www.geonet.org.nz/quakes/felt New quake every 1-3 minutes. And your kids slept through the initial ones? I'd have been standing on my bed screaming, if I'd experienced an earthquake as a kid. In fact that's probably what I'd be doing if I experienced one now. Miraculousl...
- Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:19 pm
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Are kiwi building standards made for quakes? If you are living in a penthouse, I am going to start getting a little nervous for you and your family. If your house isn't quake proof you are given a deadline to get it up to standard or it gets demolished, especially in the central city (where I is at...
- Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:44 am
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
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Insane earthquakes all night here... actually we appear to be in the middle of another one now... holy shit! So the end of that story is that I guess I'll be online all day hey Hang in there. I woke up about an hour ago and saw the news-grabbed the phone to find my daughter-in-law had already txtd ...
- Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:56 pm
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Right. You nearly owed me a keyboard. Lucky had pastry in mouth instead of gin. :nin: :clap:Ape+lust wrote:http://imgur.com/dk8NlA0.jpg
- Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:15 am
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For dog's sake there is no tradition of setting off fireworks for Halloween. Halloween isn't even a real folk festival here. It's retail driven. Shut up! AAAArgh!
- Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:55 pm
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... Having said that, I know people of genuinely Maori descent who have blue eyes, but not freakin' Red Hair and Freckles I knew of one - he was half Danish I think - he had light skin and red hair. In fact there are probably very few (if any) full-blooded Maori left. It's fine to identify with any...
- Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:45 pm
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Funny tidbit from the thread that Breeve was just trolling. Owlmirror is pretty sure he has no idea why anyone would think Pharyngula has been bad for the A/S community. He's pretty sure slymepitters believe this because we think blog posts have magical powers... owlmirror.jpg If you don't have an ...
- Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:30 pm
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Thank youMarcusAu wrote:Oh well:
- Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:23 pm
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People in my 'hood are setting off fireworks. Seriously, I want to sleep. What is wrong with them? It isn't legal to buy them yet, it's too late for Diwali, you don't set them off for Halloween, it's too early for Guy Fawkes, SHUT UP! Remind me - when do they celebrate Cinco de Mayo? Already respon...
- Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:03 pm
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OK so this business about Cain, or whatever the fuck she calls herself these days. For some reason I am trying to help out here but she had to pick a specific tribe and make thing difficult for her plausibility. If I recall correctly she has defined herself? xirself? in such a way that she (oh what...
- Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:06 pm
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People in my 'hood are setting off fireworks. Seriously, I want to sleep. What is wrong with them? It isn't legal to buy them yet, it's too late for Diwali, you don't set them off for Halloween, it's too early for Guy Fawkes, SHUT UP! Remind me - when do they celebrate Cinco de Mayo? Oh my goodness...
- Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:10 am
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People in my 'hood are setting off fireworks. Seriously, I want to sleep. What is wrong with them? It isn't legal to buy them yet, it's too late for Diwali, you don't set them off for Halloween, it's too early for Guy Fawkes, SHUT UP!
- Sat Oct 29, 2016 3:56 pm
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It's up to 250 comments now! Must be the most he's had in years. And they just can't stop themselves from engaging. Well done.Brive1987 wrote:Haha I have a P*
:burn: :dance: :lol:
- Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:39 pm
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This!Oglebart wrote:The Blues Brothers has a great car chase too. Very GTA.
- Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:08 pm
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You're on a roll!Malky wrote:Aagh!!! Now a double post
- Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:35 pm
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Interesting article in the Daily Beast on how the Donald made some many losses and used them to save tax. If this is true then he should be in goal for fraud. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/03/art-of-the-steal-this-is-how-trump-lost-916m-and-avoided-tax.html As I have mentioned I wor...
- Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:08 pm
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So being over Apple products, I'd like to replace my iphone6. Any recommendations? I would recommend either a Nexus 6P (no longer being sold new because of the next phone I am about to talk about) or a New Google Pixel . It's got the last build of Android. The pure Android experience. Build quality...
- Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:58 pm
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Re: Legit.
http://i.imgur.com/2H2XtxE.jpg Aneris has just made a cheap titty joke, instead of fifteen thousand words on the historicity of something German. I am reaching for my fan as I write. :snooty: :naughty: :lol: It's more something I might do, but I think never actually did. I once got carried away and...
- Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:17 pm
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About a minute ago, as I sat her reading the pit at my desktop with my back turned to the open door about 5 feet away, I heard a noise and turned to see a deer right at the threshold that would have walked into the house had I not startled it by turning around. Teal deer looking for citations? ( yo...
- Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:03 am
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Congrats to Phil, and any other lurking pitizen with good news
- Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:25 pm
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Next to Dearborn, Michigan, the Twin Cities of Minnesota has one of the highest concentrations of muslims in the US. I mention this because the number of religious extremists is not a fixed proportion of the religious people. The proportion that will be extremist is usually higher when the base rat...
- Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:11 pm
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TRue story: about 10 years ago one of my kids spent time in west africa, Madagascar, Kenya, Tanzania, etc. Brought back lots of amazing stuff, including a real Masai spear. NZ customs allowed the spear, confiscated the boxed set of small carved knives! Inlaid ivory or rhino penis handles? Can't rem...
- Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:05 pm
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TRue story: about 10 years ago one of my kids spent time in west africa, Madagascar, Kenya, Tanzania, etc. Brought back lots of amazing stuff, including a real Masai spear. NZ customs allowed the spear, confiscated the boxed set of small carved knives!
- Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:54 pm
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I agree with bear, too. I don't agree with guns, but I can still see why you would think that way.( there's a strong huntin' fishin' culture in Minnesota, also I had no idea that St Cloud also has a large muslim population nowadays, I just looked it up. Do you carry any form of protection? What abo...
- Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:17 pm
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Also, Islamist attack in St Cloud? Seriously, white bread St Cloud? Stuff has turned to ,um, mumble s word, mumble, if there really are islamists there. I have never been anti immigration before, but I find this frightening. I have family in the Twin cities. Full disclosure, I'm an immigrant myself...
- Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:58 pm
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Also, Islamist attack in St Cloud? Seriously, white bread St Cloud? Stuff has turned to ,um, mumble s word, mumble, if there really are islamists there. I have never been anti immigration before, but I find this frightening. I have family in the Twin cities. Full disclosure, I'm an immigrant myself...
- Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:50 pm
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Also, Islamist attack in St Cloud? Seriously, white bread St Cloud? Stuff has turned to ,um, mumble s word, mumble, if there really are islamists there. I have never been anti immigration before, but I find this frightening. I have family in the Twin cities. Full disclosure, I'm an immigrant myself...
- Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:43 am
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Also, Islamist attack in St Cloud? Seriously, white bread St Cloud? Stuff has turned to ,um, mumble s word, mumble, if there really are islamists there. I have never been anti immigration before, but I find this frightening. I have family in the Twin cities. Full disclosure, I'm an immigrant myself,...
- Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:18 am
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for Phil, a special French snowflake in kiwistan. Hope this works, haven't tried links before. old lady mumble mumble.http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic ... d=11712840
- Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:17 pm
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Does it come with subtitles?free thoughtpolice wrote:
- Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:36 am
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Squirrels. Some years ago i went with my (adult) sons to visit family in the states. My dad's property was a hectare of woods, meadows, creeks abundant with ancient fossils, my guys went wandering and came up to the house. 'very blair witch' very stephen king' Squirrel! snap snap snap, White squirre...
- Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:53 am
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In Minnesota, back in the day, (like 50 years ago) it was held as a victory if you got your driver's on the first go. Like you were a god. I guess Phil, maybe you aren't a god.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I have plenty to say about bike exams.
No taker?
Fine.