If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

But Iâ€™ll agree that it is unfortunate about Justin's resignation. Would really have been nice if the SCA had actually demanded some proof, some evidence, for the claims made in Zvanâ€™s petition which I think were decidedly specious if not actually defamatory ... Agreed, but it's still not certai...

Exactly. This is the mormom moment, when that guy Harris lost the original translation of the plates and Joseph Smith had to make up another translation that somehow mormons believe proves Joseph Smith was right. Just like that, anyone who continues to believe the A+ propaganda is a True Believer. ...

I think you guys are on the right track... I don't agree with you all unreservedly, but I'll be damned if this isn't a much healthier group dynamic than what exists at FTB/A+. Welcome, its great when more lurkers start commenting. It helps keep the air fresh around here. I think the lack of moderat...

Not even one attempt to explain what is a clear disparity in the way you approach the taboo of *some* words. Let me give you two sentences: 1.) "I choose not to use certain words because I don't feel comfortable saying them." 2.) "You are not allowed to say certain words because I don't feel comfor...

Not a chance for leadership, but a chance to work together to be atheist activists without rending our communities over gender politics . What?! You've got to be kidding me. These people have been making a name for themselves for over a year now on doing nothing else but infusing gender politics in...

On another note I watched the Dillahunty video. Pile of shite. He bottles it incredibly. Basically says "There's no problem here! None at all! There was a problem, a teeny tiny problem but it's all fixed now! Everything is rosy in A+ land". The part he is missing (either because he refuses to or ca...

Oh dear lord! The Prune has now launched an attack on JV for - get this - the quality of his writing: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2012/10/politics-and-the-bloggish-language/ That cheeky bitch needs to look closer to home. She shares FTB with Comrade Phissyoproffe. John Brown on...

And I'm going to just decide from now on that every answer Watson gives to anything is just automatically fantastic. If by 'fantastic' he means groundless and not based in reality (i.e. laced in fantasy ), then he'll get no objection on my end ;) :-) One must have a proper dictionary when one is am...

Grimalkin wrote:And I'm going to just decide from now on that every answer Watson gives to anything is just automatically fantastic.

If by 'fantastic' he means groundless and not based in reality (i.e. laced in fantasy), then he'll get no objection on my end ;)

Such delicate little blossoms! They lack the privilege-power to rise from their fainting couch and do someone the courtesy of assuming â€“ until proven otherwise â€“ that they're not a troll. It's too 'costly' to their 'safety'. Really? What's being expended? What's at risk? They're only burbling t...

Scented, someone's been cruising through your Gender Traitor talking points, [youtube]7ylZmsV_Ok4[/youtube] Putting the theism into A+theism kmwNo0_xz7M I enjoyed those, and I subscribed to the youtuber as well. Is that you? No, it's not me. I just casually stumbled upon the videos and thought some...

Scented, someone's been cruising through your Gender Traitor talking points,

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Putting the theism into A+theism

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CORRECTION: that should read "no right not to be offended"

Even so, he had a wake-up? So what? The rest of us in the reality-based community knew that Atheism Plus was, at best irrelevant to the work of atheism and skepticism and, at worst, a cynical take-over by second and third-rate bloggers whose form of activism is being ideology-spouting assholes on t...

I just notice that the link isn't going straight to the comment and I need to get back to my shift so just scroll to comment #236 by Ophelia to find it.

Meanwhile, the mortuary attendants have wheeled Ophelia in so she can croak out: That's a falsehood. I didn't say anything about Abbie Smith at any conference. It's also a falsehood that I call people "gender traitors" or "sister punishers" or "chill girls." You recycle that falsehood a lot, C Tuvo...

Dilahunty attacks Vacula on atheist ep tv show? http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/25829749/theater He started talking about Vacula at 6:35. Dillahunty on his usual unconditional siding with the FtB people. Is anybody else really getting annoyed with Matt's constant attempts to whitewash the shitty beh...

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2012/09/why/ New Bension post attacking justin v, commenter talks about race problem in atheism - huh? First comment is by Greg Laden, again. WTF is this guy just waiting by his browser to jump into the conversation, hoping that this will distract us...

Jt is at it again, second lunge at Vacula and SCA http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2012/09/wrong-answer-edwina/ Funny how SCA had Vacula speak at their 2012 conference obviously approving him as speaker. The SSA opinion is different than jt who used to work for them. Interesting. At least one com...

I'm just sitting around thinking about some of the comments that have been made about people on a personal level. For example say......PZ Myers doing what can only be described as 'shit talking' on his blog. I wonder if PZ has ever considered the fact that some people do not, take kindly, to such b...

Someone at FTB working to undermine a 'dissenting' atheist's career prospects? Sounds like business as usual. Nevermind the fact that Justin has contributed more actual activism (y'know, the stuff you have to get off your butt and step out into the real world for) to his local atheist network than m...

To find I am now blocked from commenting on PZ's blog. I don't think I've commented on Pharyngula before. So what gives? Don't worry, a similar thing happened to me at the beginning of the elevatorgate saga and I also had never posted on pharyngula, or anywhere else in the atheist blogosphere (and ...

Ok, random question: Has "The True Pooka" always been such a retard Yes, yes he has. For as long as he's been on youtube Pooka's had this annoying shtick of presenting himself as being 'above the conversation'. Meaning that he says some retarded shit, people call him out on it, and he acts as if al...

Ok, random question: Has "The True Pooka" always been such a retard Yes, yes he has. For as long as he's been on youtube Pooka's had this annoying shtick of presenting himself as being 'above the conversation'. Meaning that he says some retarded shit, people call him out on it, and he acts as if al...

one of the things that annoyed me about the Skepchick Calendars was handing over thousands and thousands of dollars every year to the JREF for tickets for women to go to The Amazing Meeting in Las Vegas, and not really seeing much benefit in return. Yes, I got to meet some great women. Yes, we incr...

"I got involved with them and liked what they were doing, but I saw most of the skeptics who were on stages at skeptical events and speaking about skeptical issues were mostly men, and I realized that there were a lot of issues that directly affected women that weren't being addressed." Okay... For...

From the people that brought you "This is Atheism +"

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I still dont understand those of you who describe Watson as 'smart' Somebody here described Watson as smart? Are you sure it wasn't just oolon playing diplomat again? Before EG I thought of watson as that Drunk [writ aggressive] who got kicked off the JREF forum. now I see her as that Drunk who got...

When this whole thing started a year ago... If it has only been a year for you, consider yourself lucky. I was referring specifically to the creation of the slime pit at the old ERV thread. I've been lurking around since the Atheist Nexus days, though my hope at the time was that the crazy SJW stuf...

Itâ€™s pretty convoluted stuff over there, much like the religious fundamentalists they so much resemble That's even evident by the standard response from all us *nonbelievers*, when we sit back stretching our heads, wondering out loud "they don't honestly believe this crap, do they?" When this who...

CommanderTuvok wrote:Thing is, she is nowhere near as important or as good as she thinks she is. We never needed Kazez on our side.

I didn't even know who she was until people here started linking to her blog. So her sudden dislike of us registers little more than an indifferent 'meh' with me.

She seems so absolutely desperate to get people to hate the Slymepit, that she seems to have joined the FTB lot, since nobody on the rational side is having any of it. Jean Kazez is just pissed off about us calling her out on some of the hypocritical stances she's taking over the last year (especia...

"He (Justicar) made a video about it. I canâ€™t tell you what it says. I didnâ€™t bother to watch it. http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamonds/2012/09/15/too-ugly-to-be-raped LOL! Justicar's response.... [youtube]Rs7yZyTIe5I[/youtube] Nice to see she's still promoting Laden (internet (in)famous f...

Saint N., thanks for sharing! Great podcast!!! I felt I had to amend my previous statements about Aron having completely drunk the FtB kool-aid. I nearly fell out of my chair when ZOMGitscriss said thunderf00t wasn't banned, he was removed for saying something that was incompatible with FtB. Even t...

I didn't know there was a podcast episode where AronRa defends Thunderf00t, http://skepticallyyours.net/episode-2/ (it's about 40 minutes into the show, when the timer read -25:00) And it's from last month?! C'mon people, I count on all of you to keep track of this sort of stuff so I don't have to p...

Don't worry. This is just a vacation so I don't burn out completely. I'll be back, hopefully with a shiny new book for you to read! So she just decided out of the blue that she'll sit down write a whole book? C'mon, she's probably been planning it for some time and what better way to advertise for ...

One thing I don't get is that Comical Jenni has already promised she'll be back, and that she is, in effect, having a time-out from things. She's still commenting on the Matt Dillahunty video Justin posted above. I was tempted to reply to her and ask "I thought you were leaving?" but figured since ...

[youtube]asn2KIgN1B4[/youtube] Agree with Johnny 100% on this one. There is no fuckin way she is going anywhere. If you're planning on flouncing because of unwanted attention, why the hell would you draw more attention to yourself by announcing how you're so shaken up that you're quitting. It's all...

It was actually revealing: it became increasingly obvious that the people who really, really hate atheism+ are authoritarians who simply cannot imagine an egalitarian movement I think this in a nutshell shows why this whole discussion has been going on for over a year now, and will probably continu...

I don't know. This shit is embarrassing. This isn't skepticism or atheism. This couldn't look more like a cult if they tried. When they start wearing funny hats, we'll know for sure. http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3vikvL8oP1rvrpcco1_500.jpg And so it begins... :shifty: Yeah, there is no sinceri...

I don't know. This shit is embarrassing. This isn't skepticism or atheism. This couldn't look more like a cult if they tried. When they start wearing funny hats, we'll know for sure. But it's the way he is constantly telling people to "Fuck Off" or calls them names like "asshole" or whatever. Then ...

I was (once again) making the argument that there had to be more to the atheism movement than just the dictionary definition, and I first made the case that weâ€™ve comfortably accommodated much bigger, loftier goals than not believing in gods, by pointing out that we readily accept science as part...

Hemant chimes in on the Guardian article about the "atheist schism", http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/09/02/is-there-an-atheism-schism/ He makes some diplomatic points I disagree with, but nothing that's worthy of condemnation in my book. I think from his pov he is trying to be as f...

Sigh..everyone's a critic. Good thing I'm used to getting it from both ends. Sometimes the podcast isn't aimed at the general listener so much as it is at a specific person(s) I apologize if you assumed otherwise. I also sometimes take it for granted that 5 min really isn't a long period of time to...

[quote=" But I think the atheist community can and should act collectively, by unanimous consent, to make it clear to sexists and other bigots that they are not welcome and that we don't want them associated with us - similar to the way Larry Darby was collectively cast out after he revealed his rac...

Ophelia and company just don't grasp WHY people are now mocking and criticising them (it is more widespread and general now - not just the Pit Crew). An inability to see one's own faults, while decrying the faults of others in society. There is a word for that, I just can't recall what it is :think...

http://agnostichicagokie.blogspot.com/2012/08/atheismplus-provisional-blacklist.html #AtheismPlus - A Provisional Blacklist Abbie Smith (for obvious reasons) Justin Griffith (briefly supported Abbie) Harriet Hall (wears misogynist t-shirts) D.J. Grothe (allegedly covered up alleged sex crime) Justi...

tachikoma wrote:We can argue about whether these reactions were reasonable or not, but they do exist.

Why must you crush my hope in humanity? :cry:

Since Richy Carrier can't seem to find the time to approve my comment on his latest blog I'd like to post it here, if you don't mind, in hopes someone will forward it to Richard or better yet force him to read it until he gets the point. We don't mind, but I wouldn't hold my breath on anyone linkin...

take the energy you would otherwise be spending rewarding me for recognizing my privilege, and instead use that energy to go educate yourself by listening to minority and non-privileged groups While these people spent the last year using their energy "educating" all those male, white, rich, old, pr...

justinvacula wrote:Can we expand the FC5 to include Carrier somehow?

Sure, he can have Laden's old spot, so we can go back to calling them the FC6.

Here, Erista doesn't seem to realise that the AtheismPlus movement is very white, very privileged, upper-middle class, highly educated (although you wouldn't think so judging by the crap that comes out of their gobs). EristaClass.jpg It will be interesting to see how they treat elder members of the...

I doubt the topic is on this issue. Its probably on being a YouTuber/videoblogger/etc. Understood, but seems like it would be impossible to have a discussion on the topic of harassment against women in the a/s community without bringing up what's been going on for the last year. And the ERV undead ...

You gotta be fucking kidding me. Are the baboons trying to ruin atheism for me?! I didn't even know they'd taken AronRa down with them, and now they're trying to take The Thinking Atheist too? FML! Wait a minute, didn't Seth just have a podcast interview with persona non grata, the mother of the Sl...

Fuck yeah! I've been a long time subscriber of noelplum99. Glad he sees through the bullshit from FTB. Funny thing is that a few months ago, he didn't comment so firmly on his opinion of FTB, during the TAM / D.J. Grothe attacks. Noelplum99 must have done his homework since then. [youtube]nF3LHRgYw...

Richard Dawkins on way to Witch of the Week status again Dawkins is a unique bother to all of them, because he is the only "big name" who openly told Watson to shut the fuck up in the very beginning of all of this and has never so much as tried to apologize and backpedal away from his words (even D...

And thereâ€™s a General Chat section on the Forum, to talk about whatever you wan with others who share the values of Atheism Plus. Cats, skeet shooting, Project Runwayâ€¦ whatever. I'm going to pull a SulryAmy and cry that their attempt to create a A+theism forum is harassment against us, because ...

Thanks for that. When I just looked, it was changed. It doesn't matter, the A+theism meme is now out there forever, and I for one will not stop bringing it up (it's just too funny not to be mentioned, over and over again. Major props to ERV for catching it first). The best part is they can't blame ...

Jean Kazez was recently called out for her obvious hypocrisy in the way she dismissed Blu's alleged harassment last year, while treating the supposed "harassment" of SulryAmy with seriousness (cause y'know how being called mentally ill is not anywhere near as abusing as having your arts and crafts m...

http://freethoughtblogs.com/blaghag/201 ... t-atheism/ No one has to agree with me, and I donâ€™t want dogma. I want to be able to discuss social justice issues from the context of atheism and skepticism. Discuss, not dictate. But that's exactly what she's been doing for as long as her blog has exi...

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