If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

PZ just admitted he was trolling his own blog. He initiated the definition debate to 'smoke out' thoughtcrime.

Fucking idiot. He doesn't get that 'atheist' is a perfectly good word to describe a base shared characteristic but is useless in then describing what one does with that view point.

Ah service dog - read your plea too late :-)

But PZ trots this out to often not to instinctively 'slake jaw and moan'

Right, breaking out of my European holiday to call bullshit on PZ and his repetitious bleating about the debasement of the phrase "free thought". PZ - Pointing out that FtB and Freethought are mutually exclusive terms does not mean you are adopting some sort of simplistic "anything goes" definition ...

To Paris for three weeks -just letting my privilege show!

FWIW, the following is a response to my comment on a guest post on Brute Reason on the topic of arguing in good faith. While it is certainly a reasonable question to ask â€“ trolls to the left of us, jokers to the right â€“ I figure that the poster, along with many others in FftB-land, fall a littl...

Seems like the woman who runs I Fucking Love Science is in some hot water for posting this "rape joke" https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/1236415_663819350305746_281523233_n.jpg https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=663819350305746&set=a.456449604376056.98921.3671164899760...

Re This vs That PZ goes tone trolling They sent me a couple of tweets offering a discount code and HUGE SAVINGS and urging me to watch their show. I turned them down, rudely, saying they were cheesy sexist shit. They replied. @thisvsthatshow: @pzmyers Iâ€™m now aware youâ€™re a cantankerous fuck. Y...

Re This vs That PZ goes tone trolling They sent me a couple of tweets offering a discount code and HUGE SAVINGS and urging me to watch their show. I turned them down, rudely, saying they were cheesy sexist shit. They replied. @thisvsthatshow: @pzmyers Iâ€™m now aware youâ€™re a cantankerous fuck. Yo...

Hello everyone. I've posted a few times as LurkyLurkyLurker and I thought I'd register and introduce myself. I became aware of the skeptical movement in the 90s and one of the subjects that interested me in particular was the Satanic ritual abuse panic. It seemed a particularly good example of irra...

Re DJ:

"From an email sent to the WTinc board .."

Just how many anonymous anecdotes can you pump out.

The last comment on that post even had a skepchick regular asking:

Who wrote the email thatâ€™s being quoted above? Itâ€™s not in lawyerese or from DJ. Who is it?

Re the Skepchick story: ... the past few days have been emotionally wrought for everyone. Theyâ€™re scared. Theyâ€™re angry ... thanks to Grotheâ€™s bullying, two of the four board members have resigned ... itâ€™s a mess ... FFS - bring in the FCs. Is this the pussyist Board of Directors ever? Or is...

And as sure as night follows day PZ does a followup on the Skepchick DJ story:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ar-ethics/

http://i.imgur.com/vNbgRol.jpg

Believe it or not there is another Skepchick drama brewing. Oh, I so can't believe it. Apparently they are up in arms about DJ Grothe who claims he was libeled by Sasha Pixee, a hipster neckbeard who claims that DJ Grothe made a rape threat to him - or a rape joke (I couldn't really tell from his t...

Found this via a comment on Barbara Drescher's FB page: In 2009, PZ wrote an article in The Humanist within which he declares, "So I'm going to very prematurely declare myself a fifth horseman". http://i.imgur.com/zqblWpF.gif LOL! Fucking awesome! I think it's safe to say that instead of the fifth ...

Or more accurately

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For anyone who is interested Skepticality did a recent interview episode with the shows producer. Get a sane view on the project from here: http://www.skepticality.com/the-science-of-this-vs-that/ I would listen, if it wasn't for the fact that Skepticality is the single most boring podcast I have e...

Wrap yer head around this: Skepchick, the chicks who put a spunky chick spin Skepticism, denounce a new Skepdude TV show for putting a spunky dude spin on Skepticism: http://skepchick.org/2013/09/this-vs-that-vs-ladies/ bonus: RW slut-shames cosplayers at Dragon*Con and repeats the sexist stereotyp...

My point is that there is a consensus on the probability of a non theistic historical kernel. I'm not academic but if I recall it is based on things like Paul implicitly accepting JC physical existence, Paul meeting with tier 1 disciples, Jesus having brothers who popped up in later accounts, the d...

It's quite possible there are essene elements here, (though there are some problems working out what exactly an essene was. They seem to have concentrated in urban areas which <> the normal dead sea community type view). My point is that there is a consensus on the probability of a non theistic his...

Fuck you too for bringing RW into this to highlight my inadequacies. :naughty: Let me employ an FtB trick and 'type slowly' - A historical, obviously non divine ,'Jesus' kernel is probably the most plausible real world scenario. This based on the damned pesky current scholarly consensus (and not ju...

<snip> Meta-fucking-physics? ...so you just lost 99% of a christian audience and a large portion of atheists too. Even if they understand what you are talking about there is a high degree of probability that they will start slipping into a coma. <snip> Letting theists get around our open flank into...

Carrier is an arrogant and long winded guy, but he does serve a purpose when engaging Theologians and taking them to school, many of whom are generally sticklers for credentials and generally have a lousy understanding of the Classic Era. Carrier is also generally very careful about making claims a...

Great so now PZ flies across the country to read his book of blog posts. Has he nothing new to add?

http://i.imgur.com/ETxbmCV.jpg

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... /#comments

*delurks* Hello and fuck off everyone - have been lurking here and on FTB for a while and thought it was about time I joined the party - loving some of the recent discussions about what constitutes feminism and the historicity of Christ, and the general level of FTB critique (although I don't think...

Here is a comment on the Ally Fogg post. I felt I had slipped into bizarro FtB! "That is a fair explanation, I am sorry for misreading you. I suspect I was failing to apply the principle of charity, for which I apologize." #30 I assume an internal missive has gone out to Caine et al to stay away? Or...

The historicity of any famous person is interesting in my view. We don't get a lot of people claiming the miracles and powers attributed to Laozi or Buddha were literally real and happened here in the west. So we give it a sensible chuckle and then ponder if those people existed at all, and if they...

Carrier is an arrogant and long winded guy, but he does serve a purpose when engaging Theologians and taking them to school, many of whom are generally sticklers for credentials and generally have a lousy understanding of the Classic Era. Carrier is also generally very careful about making claims a...

Carrier is an arrogant and long winded guy, but he does serve a purpose when engaging Theologians and taking them to school, many of whom are generally sticklers for credentials and generally have a lousy understanding of the Classic Era. Carrier is also generally very careful about making claims a...

Does anyone know what the SJW official line on cultural relativism is? They certainly seem to prioritise first world issues. I assume they are bound by their own privilege to the point where they can't call a spade a spade in emphatic enough terms to appear suitably sincere. So they largely don't un...

<snip>....Some days I think that Secular Activism is making headway marginalizing that kind of "one true path" attitude. Some days I have my doubts. I don't think PZ is trying to regain credibility. I think he knows that's irretrievable now and will just dig in further. For all these idiots the bal...

I think most (all?) people have a world view - a model that makes sense of what's going on and the best way to operate in our environment + what's right and what's wrong. Most of us, I'm guessing have a 'world view' informed by atheism ie value and values must be defined outside of divine command t...

Actually I think atheism and skepticism is a personal enabler and it's simple message needs repeating to new people and once understood you are free to go and grow. It's atheism as a world view that then demands an enabling ideology and from that dogma. I don't think we disagree, but it's worth men...

PZ says: "And thatâ€™s how I win. Not by demanding homogeneity, but by plugging into a growing environment with broader scope" .. And if you don't agree I'll ban you. http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/09/06/the-future-will-not-be-the-past/#comments Actually I think atheism and skepticism i...

Holy crap http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier Carrier is a ditz. He cannot post anything without a healthy component of â€œRichard Carrier is a super genius.â€ Here is making his senior thesis available, presumably for those (see his sidebar) avid fans that span the entire world. He thoughtfully t...

Just practicing please ignore.

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Guest: thanks

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Here is a newbie question I should be too embarrassed to ask.

"What is the best way to capture and insert pictures and screen caps etc"?

**ducks**

Ok that was un-necessarily distressing. Somebody could have posted a trigger warning that A+ forum was a bizarro analog phpBB to the 'pit.

Won't be trying tha again.

Re TableGate I notice that "Derek" has now become "Colanduno" in a RW edit to her post. http://skepchick.org/2013/09/how-skepchick-got-booted-from-dragoncon-today Apparently he gave her the wrong name and has therefore gone from Tu to Vous . Good eye! (and good comments in that thread) Thanks! I am...

Re TableGate

I notice that "Derek" has now become "Colanduno" in a RW edit to her post.
http://skepchick.org/2013/09/how-skepch ... ncon-today

Apparently he gave her the wrong name and has therefore gone from Tu to Vous.

Oops... http://websitesonadime.com/rwwrongguy.jpg She's edited her post and of course she just places the blame on Derek for giving her the wrong name, no apology whatsoever for slagging him off, which naturally included dredging up something from years ago as some sort of corroboration. Getting ve...

Surly has an insight: "You people are awful (you know who you are) and your unbridled hate and cynicism, if left unchecked will ruin what is left of the skeptic community" Hate and cynicism, yep that about sums it up. Certainly seems to be a fair amount of that going around these days. But I notice...

Surly has an insight:

"You people are awful (you know who you are) and your unbridled hate and cynicism, if left unchecked will ruin what is left of the skeptic community"

Hate and cynicism, yep that about sums it up.

Up front, allow me to say: Mea Culpa. Yep, I bought into it without even looking at the Slymepit to verify for myself. Pitters are universally evil and disgusting and completely without any redeeming qualities whatsoever. At least, that's what they said.... Then Shmear happened, and I was so disgus...

:happy-cheerleaderkid: :happy-cheerleaderkid:

Service Dog wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: 2. Why not invite Mr Walmart into the fucking "network" and setup a serious kick arse fan table?
Mr + Walmart + arse =

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:D :D

Quick note about the tablegate nonsense. It seems Skepchick's remaining defense is two things: 1) The policy was worded strangely 2) Other people were breaking the rules as stated The funny thing is that the policy is crafted to protect vendors. Just like someone can find a new way to violate a har...

So, while all this DramaCon Tablegate kerfuffle was happening over the weekend, a real atheist conference happened. http://aaaboston2013.com/schedule.html The Atheist Alliance of America 2013 National Convention and Atheist Alliance international North American Convention was held in Boston (isn't ...

Barbara Drescher has taken issue on Facebook with some of Sara Mayhew's account of tablegate: Sara's story is about as accurate as Rebecca and Amy's, unfortunately. The tables are clustered, but they're not restricted like that. They moved the table after the staff member responsible for concourse ...

When I think of the Slymepit, I imagine a branded stadium filled with popcorn munching spectators, nattering away while watching the game on a field emblazoned with FtB / Skepchick / A+ colours and logos. Sometimes the game slows, but then it picks up: points are cheered, we boo the goal kickers, in...

<snip> Havenâ€™t read it yet, but I sort of think that the SGU interview that Brive1987 referenced above provides somewhat of an answer (linky?). I think this place kind provides the contrast with Pharyngula that emphasizes the point that, once a forum starts down the path of heavy moderation and a...

Plonk wrote:Someone gave an anonymous $1000 donation for Shermer's legal fund, so the $5000 target has been reached :clap:

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/micha ... legal-fund

:dance: :text-thankyouyellow:

Yea, it looks like PZ did the same to this comment by Flewellyn. Rather interesting though is PZâ€™s editorial comment at the end of it: Havenâ€™t read it yet, but I sort of think that the SGU interview that Brive1987 referenced above provides somewhat of an answer (linky?). I think this place kind...

SGU, last episode, interview segment.

SNovella has nice spray at internet blog site echo chamber effect / dissent = troll conflation. Somehow I don't think he was 'really' talking about anti vax sites.

Pity RW wasn't there to provide her perspective on how these sites clamp down disagreement.

"It means that if things are the same next year, I wonâ€™t be able to attend DragonCon again despite the requests of the many people who apparently enjoy my contributions each year"

So it's a threat now in reverse. Talk about being bent over.

Derek Colanduno is host of Skepticality, official podcast of Skeptic Magazine and the Skeptics Society, which Shermer founded. http://www.skepticality.com/about-us/ But, of course, in his role as policy-enforcer today, Colanduno could have just been responding to complaints lodged by people who'd p...

Conference policy: Play nice, take direction from staff, have fun. Context is all and no policy can actually set useful pragmatic rules that can be applied by coal face staff. Policies are really a mission statement of ideology. Seen like this "I get it". But patriarchy etc is also a statement of id...

Re recent run of articles by PZ. I assume they are as much to establish that it would be amazing if Shermer wasn't a rapist, by default, as anything else.

Setting the stage.

PZ latest post says "Harassment is persistent, aggressive behavior with the purpose of intimidating or silencing someone." How does that work for him in his comments section? I'm certainly glad we don't want to intimidate or silence anyone like JV. Also has anyone noticed how,since getting her depu...

PZ's point that 'of course' we shouldn't harass Christians, just their ideas is very Sam Harris. I'd like to see how you separate the two when the ideas are firmly and closely held as part of self-identity. A bit like going against radfem version of patriarchy without denigrating those who wield the...

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