If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Lousy Canuck: Anyone trying to legitimately argue with the thesis of â€œguys, donâ€™t do thatâ€ without attacking in this manner, has likewise been (correctly) called out on sexist behaviour â€” maybe not behaviour as egregiously or unequivocally sexist as, say, rape threats or slurs, but it is de...

If he's signed up for this, then he has. Look at what Moore's page actually says. <snip> That's a good point. If it does happen, which it won't, but if it does (which it definitely won't) then it should be made clear that the 'representative' only speaks for themselves and so they aren't a represen...

Re: Adam Lee's comment - it's a bit like saying to someone protesting their innocence when wrongly convicted of murder "when you stop murdering people, we'll listen".

KiwiInOz wrote:
justinvacula wrote:New from Adam Lee:

(quote)
Vacula - Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

My thoughts exactly.

I have more video games than she does. :) I actually thought her original kickstarter project was a reasonable enough idea, so I was on her side. But it seems she's doing everything in her power to turn me off the idea. For instance - she has at least 4 different machines to play the games on. PC, ...

I am not sure how many people here can see these two Facebook threads that have blown up in the last few days (Brian Engler has about 2600 friends, so maybe there are a few here) But I wanted to point them out: https://www.facebook.com/brian.david.engler/posts/147368715417716 WIS conference https:/...

Good idea for a thread. I'm a feminist I guess, but if someone asks me 'are you a feminist' I'll have to ask 'what do you mean by 'feminist'?' as the concept can mean different things to different people. I'm not an activist, so I'm not a feminist in that sense, and I don't like the way some people ...

I'm relatively close to owning 100% privilege. I'm white, tan easy, taller than average, male, university educated, came from a home where one parent owned a bachelor's degree, grew up in an affluent town and straight. Yep, I tick all the 'privilege' boxes too. But when I look at two of my first co...

[spoiler] strange gods, yeah, I owe you (and others) an apology for baiting. Some meatspace stress got through the human-computer interface. Sorry about that. Cool, thanks cm. Nerd: you are cleared for saying â€œYour unevidenced OPINION is *POOF* dismissed as fuckwitteryâ€ again. False alarm. http...

franc wrote:
rocko2466 wrote:Hey. I need someone to give me a link to a good conspiracy theory website (with as many misspellings and crazy rantings as possible lol).

I want to do a reading this weekend - and I want to have a non-FTB/A+ epsiode :P
http://www.timecube.com/

Beat me to it!

...if we really want to put our money where our mouths are and prove to ourselves that we are in fact humanists holding some kind of high moral ground, we must take the first step in proving it... ...it is meaningful and morally sound and ethical to overlook, at least for the time being, distastefu...

Twitter is on the lookout for spammers. If it sees a new account getting blocked, it sees it as a signal. There's 'block' and 'report as spam'. I reckon that many of these guys are clicking the latter. It's like saying "I don't want to see this account, and I don't want anyone else to see it either...

In case all the lurkers think this is becoming a haven of kind and caring human beings, I'd like to confirm their original suspicions. I have no intention of donating any money to Natalie Reed and there is no fucking way I would ever invite a stranger to live in my home. I can think of several hund...

A zillion years ago, on usenet, I made fun of a guy that had about a zillion typos in his posts. Anyway, he let me know not only of some extreme disabilities, but also that English wasn't his native language. And assuming all that was true, it really shut me up, and I learned, how wonderful the net...

Al, I don't know if you've seen it, but Crommunist is talking about you:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/crommunist/ ... -feminism/

You might have missed it as there's no link to your original post... :roll:

DeepInsideYourMind wrote:I'm a sexist pig - all FtB people are honourary "gals"

Be careful about posting things that could easily be quote-mined for nefarious purposes... ;)

Aron Ra writes something that might be a bit controversial - right at the end: http://freethoughtblogs.com/aronra/2013/01/24/one-of-these-days-im-gonna-say-something-really-stupid/ At the risk of sounding like a hippie (which I am not), weâ€™re not gonna make any progress with all this in-fighting a...

Somegreybloke versus Melody: https://twitter.com/somegreybloke/status/293881466503434240 it was fairly recent, his transformation, and yes it was directly related to Watson and Company I'm following him too (although I'm not that familiar with him) - he 'changed his mind' after Justin V retweeted h...

c) Just post the fucking email whole and invite her maggotbrained followers to laugh at people who can't write English particularly well? http://freethoughtblogs.com/blaghag/2013/01/i-get-email-2/ Yes - I too thought that was unkind, especially as her correspondent seems to be writing in good faith...

d4m10n wrote:I'm sorry if this was posted earlier and I missed it:

For once I agree with her.

Mayhew was trying to score a cheap point, adopting the MO (cheap point-scoring on the basis of unacceptable words) of the people she was arguing against. I doubt she'd use that against a Bigfoot believer or a Christian, even if they said 'ragging'. She was playing them at their own game - a mistake ...

I didn't encounter one rude person over there. We went to Ireland, Great Britain, France and Germany. Over here you can expect anyone in the service industry to treat you like an inconvenience, ruining their $8 an hour (in CA) day by showing up and daring to order food. Not so over there. My husban...

I don't know if just saying "don't rape" is effective. However, there are many people who think having sex with an incapacitated women is not rape. The law says differently. So education about that would be effective, I think. Absolutely - educate people what is and isn't ok. I'm just talking about...

AbsurdWalls wrote:Justicar has a video about this - title is something like: Victim Blaming? Survey Says: Not So Much - he makes a similar argument.

Thanks - I'll check it out.

The 'don't rape' thing is obviously right prima facie (seriously - don't rape!) but just seems like such an impotent method to stop it. When we think about reducing any crime, we think of an effective strategy for doing so. Why bother with gun control when we could just say 'don't murder'? Well, bec...

Perhaps some of the UK lot have heard of Helen Lewis of the New Statesman. For those that haven't - she's a feminist writer - she actually appeared on one of those online hangout/debates on 'online misogyny' with Rebecca Watson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt7xzUUX3UY Anyway, turns out she was re...

They don't have an old copy of the heart pain article though, but who cares. Glad you got the EG comments. I found the other comments BTW - they don't call me 'the greatest person in the world' for nothing: http://web.archive.org/web/20100829060111/http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/08/how_bei...

Also, the web archive has saved it using the new page formats at scienceblogs, so that was captured some time after the original went up. I see the old format when I look at it. The new format doesn't have any comments on that article at all - they didn't transfer over when SB changed. (BTW The Way...

No, I'm pretty sure it was that post, unless he had another on the exact same thing. I don't know when that archived version was made, but my comment isn't there anymore either. I also searched 'dick' in case his remark was in the comments instead of the article. No dicks at all. That snapshot was ...

Plan ahead Vacula. Preemptively communicate with Melody's boss before you are painted as a total rage-filled woman hater. Or even more so. Definitely. Get assurances that you'll actually be let in. I'm sure they'd prefer you to turn up only to be turned away, rather than you simply not going at all.

[spoiler]Hmm, PZ has linked to an old article that was pre-EG. It's at: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/08/16/my-lost-weekend/ The weird thing is, that the main thing I remember from it, seems to have been edited out! *feigned shock* The original mentioned that part of deciding to go to the...

windy wrote:Blaghag after the Dawkins announcement:

I remember in the comments on that post McCreight and Elisabeth Cornwell had an argument over the false suggestion that Dawkins funded childcare to deflect from Elevatorgate. Shame the comments were all deleted.

Michael K Gray wrote:This revelation that the Women in Skepticism conference is NOT going to have child-care facilities has blown my lid!

My lid has been blown too. It really is beyond parody, isn't it?

I know how much you lot like 'Freeze Peach', so here's the first part of my defence of 'freeze peach':

http://skepticink.com/notung/2013/01/22 ... m-part-12/

Just discovered this: it has probably appeared here already, but: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcSglVRYe6M It's Ana Kasparian's admirable and thoughtful reply to Thunderf00t's video. Compare this to Myers : While weâ€™re on the subject of how the wimminz ought to behave, I should mention the F00tâ...

I notice that that StevenCarr fellow is amusingly now in the 'Dungeon'. He's a fairly frequent atheist commenter - I remember a few years ago he was my only atheist ally on a (now-defunct) UK Christian forum.

If too much "ahhh they're bigot just ignore them" goes on at FtB etc for you, DON'T POST THERE. I agree with this - it's why I've not posted on Pharyngula for over a year and a half, nor on the other blogs that have started banning/deleting dissent since I noticed them doing that. I'm pretty sure t...

Sorry if someone has already said this but:

noelplum99 is now in the Pharyngula dungeon! I wondered why it took so long for him to get banned there. Apparently it was for 'making it all about him'. Quite amusing.

The notion that people who disagree with the Pharyngula position simply doesn't understand, and needs things 'explaining' to them, is quite shockingly condescending. Perhaps these 'basics' are simply mistaken? Exactly. It's a really closed-minded way of looking at things. Similar to the 'education'...

Yep, good on you Louis for not buying into the ridiculous 'visiting/posting on a particular forum makes you a bad person' idea.

It was always just a cheap way of dismissing opposition anyway. I think people are wising up to that fact more and more.

Terrible tweet, apology was good idea, nothing at all to do with me.

My (female) friend got 15 months in prison for an affair with a 15 year old girl. I sometimes wonder if a male in the same position would have got a longer term (I genuinely have no idea).

Being on topic should go without saying :o Yes - I suppose I meant that sometimes you're want to discuss some finer details but instead people keep picking at the fundamentals. Not that fundamentals shouldn't be challenged; they always should (but GC seems to accept this). But - I doubt those funda...

Re: Greta's policy: I can sort of understand not wanting to cover the fundamentals in the comments. It's a bit like if I write about the Kalam argument (say) and someone says "Yeah - if God exists why is there evil?" and someone else writes "If you see a building, there HAD to be a builder." I'd be ...

another lurker wrote:I can see now why you are an 'OM" :clap:

You realise there's a genuine OM who posts here?

Whoever did it, it is a pretty pathetic thing to do. No doubt about it. Make no mistake, there are a (thankfully small) minority of assholes aligned with the anti-FtB cause. One idiot on Twitter who followed me I immediately blocked because his entire tweet output thus far is sexual innuendo regard...

It fails right at 1) There is a logical fallacy here equivocation One can say a chair begins to exist when all the component parts are assembled into what we all agree is a chair, but the molecules that make up the chair already existed. So yes there was a cause, someone put that chair together but...

I believe I am correct in saying that every syllogism becomes a begged question once you remove the caveat that the conclusion is only valid if the premises are accepted. That's a very good point - I actually studied this a bit when I made a talking-heads YouTube video a while ago on the Kalam Argu...

FWIW I think the T-Rex is wrong. Sorry, Mr Rex. His 'argument' is either logically invalid (i.e. a non-sequitur - it doesn't follow that whatever's a pretty sweet dude is friggin' awesome) or analytic (necessarily, all things that are a pretty sweet dude are friggin' awesome). It's more of a stateme...

YES. Using "begs" when they mean "invites" the question is really annoying. To beg the question is to fail to answer it, as "begging off". But I think we fight a losing battle. Is it? I've always understood it to be: one's argument requires ('begs') a particular answer to the central question ('the...

AbsurdWalls wrote:Please don't use "begs the question" wrongly.

Haha you remind me of me. Which begs the question: did you also study philosophy?

;)

Michael K Gray wrote:Queue rabid accusations that you are 'tone policing' in:
5, 4, 2, 3, 7, 1!

No, no! It's only tone-policing when you're talking about them. You just don't get it.

I wouldn't care if it happened or not. What actually launched the full blown out Egate was neither the incident nor RW's video, it was the Pharynguphants's comments and over-reactions, especially on the "always name names" post by Myers. This is where Richard Dawkins posted his "dear muslima", and ...

As long as you don't mean we shouldn't criticise her? I don't mean that at all! I'm talking about most of the stuff on the 'page o' hate'. I say 'most', because some things on there are obviously meant as jokes. I know other controversial public figures like Dawkins probably get much more of the sa...

Yep makes sense then - no contradiction. DPR is dead right as well. I'd add to it that whenever someone posts a nasty comment online towards RW (or the other usual suspects), all I want to do is grab the commenter by the shoulders and say "Don't you see? This is what they want you to do!" I'm sure t...

Ah I'm a little clearer now - he basically did everything EG did and it was fine. Still, did that all happen the same night? He seems to say that it did ('I'll tell you where I was...'). I should add (for quote-miners) that I'm not saying I believe the story is problematic. Perhaps it is, but I don'...

Not directly, but his version of events pokes a gigantic hole in the narrative. Well surely it outright contradicts it (since she was recording instead of being in the bar, and it was DPR Jones in the elevator, and no offer of coffee). But what's confusing is that he says that he knows who the alle...

I'm a little confused about DPRJones' remarks. Is he claiming that, since he was with her at the time, the elevator incident can't have occurred?

Can anyone else not access the Shermer article? Is the site down? I haven't read it yet!

Apparently Shermer has followed up re: skeptidrama in the new Free Inquiry. It's not out yet though. Allegedly, there are witch-hunting references and Nazi references, and he goes after Ophelia mainly, and PZ a bit.

He's getting attacked by lots of people on Twitter right now, that's how I know.

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