If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Aneris wrote:Jack, next subforum. This one seems reserved for the ongoing undead thread.
Here: viewforum.php?f=29

Please put here your thoughts and any relevant links, especially responses, to the discussions.

Thanks.

Over at the 'Gulag, Rorschach offers some thoughtful input on the opening of the Nugent dialogue: http://i.imgur.com/Blzojg6.jpg Perhaps we can do a section here to cover such comments. Make a thread up, count me in. :) I tried but needs Admin? If you can do it great. Can be a resource for comments...

Apples wrote:Over at the 'Gulag, Rorschach offers some thoughtful input on the opening of the Nugent dialogue:
http://i.imgur.com/Blzojg6.jpg

Perhaps we can do a section here to cover such comments.

Ophie checks in: The panel yesterday was fun, and it got a friendly reception. There are a lot of women here, on the stage and attending in general, with the expected result that it doesnâ€™t feel like a frat house. This comment makes me doubt Ophie has ever spent time in or near any "frat houses" ...

There's a new Nugent blog on the discussions:

http://www.michaelnugent.com/

Here's the statement from 'our' side.

http://atheistskepticdialogue.com/2013/ ... ack-smith/

On this special day, let us note the original of all western anti-skepticism: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+20%3A19-29&version=NIV 29 Then Jesus told him, â€œBecause you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.â€ And there you h...

As a reminder the statement for the Nugent hosted dialogue should be up at 5PM today (2 hours from now) bar any hiccups.

http://atheistskepticdialogue.com/purpose/

The moderation and process details are there already. However things may change as we progress with the discussions.

This is probably yesterday's news and already discussed, but From: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2013/03/guest-post-what-harassment-really-is/#comment-512540 The civil harassment guidelines are more relevant, not just because they are more uniform and clearly-outlined than the st...

I haven't seen any porn photoshops here at the slymepit but I think some troll posted something like that in the middle of the night on Nugent's blog. So it's someone did something bad somewhere - therefore the slymepit is to blame! I don't remember any of PZ but noblehawk2 posted one of Ophelia he...

In celebration of the beginning of festivities tomorrow - kind of funny that the Great Atheoskeptic Smackdown of 2013 is beginning on Easter Sunday - I think this Rebecca Bradley post from a few months ago -- "Confessions of a Tone Troll; or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the CHUDS" is wo...

As a person that has been sexually abused and wasn't believed (I'm a man) and also falsely accused of sexual assault two decades later, I can say that both cases are horrible. In the first case, the victim is re-victimized, and in the second an innocent person is accused of a heinous act and s/h/it...

Because of it's dictionary definition the word atheism in activism has been accepted to mean secularism and anti-theism. Even that is arguable. In any event no one has the right to assume a philosophy on it, especially one so deeply flawed and not in general agreement. I count myself as both an ath...

The issue we have is the atheist movement is infected by people who have no interest in skepticism or critical thinking. Objection, your honour! " Infected " is a misleading and thoroughly poisonous term in this case. I keep trying to impress on the learned counsel that a-theism has nothing necessa...

The issue we have is the atheist movement is infected by people who have no interest in skepticism or critical thinking. Objection, your honour! " Infected " is a misleading and thoroughly poisonous term in this case. I keep trying to impress on the learned counsel that a-theism has nothing necessa...

That she has had altercations with the law makes me sway more toward her side. Her heavy breathing thing was hilarious, to me anyway. I'm not being nicey nicey to her as I know she has said some horrible things and I have no reason to suppose that will change. I welcome robust interactions which ca...

I'd be interested if EBW wrote about her experiences coming from a radically pro-FtB stance to where she is now. I see no evidence she has changed her position on anything. From that conversation with janphar, I don't think she's so pro-FtB any more. Yes very true, I meant in her core beliefs, I wa...

Jack, that would be most... Hard. A tiny device is what Im using. If the CEO thinks email would prevent people like Nerd complaining, he is wrong. I have sent him an email, if he'll listen... I was joking. Joining here can ruin someone's life the same as coming out as atheist did to many. I suspect...

SurpriseGuest wrote:The CEO could save a lot of inbox by being less ambiguous. Gender equality? Is he saying dongle jokes arw sexist?

PR has to be ambiguous. Because of people like Nerd who will read what they want to see.

Also join here you slacker.

Oh yeah... Someone should go ask if they fabricated that on the thread, or if its true. I havent heard of Adria saying that, not that she even works with him. And he sure made it out like he was fired FOR this incident. So what was their source, is the question? Tell them to note that Adria herself...

I'm really looking forward to the new dialogue. Is it starting tonight or are we still waiting until tomorrow? There are timings and they have been discussed. It was never going to be today and the timings given were suggestions (initially late Saturday) It is likely to be Sunday now and there is a...

Over on Meyers's blog, the frankly subhuman Nerd of Redhead says this, in response to another comment (which is embedded in the one below): Other poster: So your saying that the guy didnt get fired for this incident? Did you read his apology on the subject? It sounds like he got fired for this inci...

The issue we have is the atheist movement is infected by people who have no interest in skepticism or critical thinking. Yet they hijack those words without grasping what they mean and without grasping it applies to their beliefs too. If the atheist movement wishes to maintain any sort of credibilit...

Richard Carrier apparently used his speaking time at #aacon13 to stump for Atheism Plus: http://i.imgur.com/bVA3MbR.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6Qop9Zs.jpg http://i.imgur.com/qhUNTET.jpg http://i.imgur.com/iIjEhwI.jpg http://i.imgur.com/PcpMdkV.jpg http://i.imgur.com/DOxlYaZ.jpg I'm foreseeing an EllenB...

I'd be interested if EBW wrote about her experiences coming from a radically pro-FtB stance to where she is now. I see no evidence she has changed her position on anything. From that conversation with janphar, I don't think she's so pro-FtB any more. Yes very true, I meant in her core beliefs, I wa...

Steersman takes Aratina to the woodshed in this comment at Nugent's: http://www.michaelnugent.com/2013/03/26/structure-and-dedicated-website-for-the-atheist-skeptic-dialogue/#comment-209002 Incidentally, the Sewer Rat admitted yesterday at Nugent's that he doesn't identify as a skeptic and said on ...

rayshul wrote:I'd be interested if EBW wrote about her experiences coming from a radically pro-FtB stance to where she is now.

I see no evidence she has changed her position on anything.

.... aaand John Greg makes sure the Rat is well and truly thrashed. http://www.michaelnugent.com/2013/03/26/structure-and-dedicated-website-for-the-atheist-skeptic-dialogue/#comment-209003 But...but...I win because of feelings!!!! We'll cure cancer and fly to the moon on feelings!!!!! [youtube]CyBc...

Same conversation, slight overlap - IJoe calls John Morales "the biggest troll on that site" and SGBM (who has been absent from Pharyngula lately) is discussed without being named. https://twitter.com/LordSetar/status/316819142219026432 Oh my gawd, they are such snowflakes and very clearly need ser...

Not sure how many folks have followed the "harassment" kerfuffle this week. As we all know, Svan and Benson have been trying, through sheer repetition, to cement the meme that they are victims of "harassment" by their critics. Vjack (whom I don't normally read) put up a post at Atheist Revolution a...

EllenBeth has just resigned from her presidency of the Florida Humanists: https://twitter.com/EllenBethWachs/status/317378286810451968 Discussing it with Poltroolon (who, as you can see from the subsequent tweets, embarrasses himself yet again by getting the wrong end of the stick as regards her re...

John Greg wrote:EBW, had a "sense of humour"? WTF?!?

Yep. She occasionally did a provocative post to pull our legs and that heavy breathing thing takes humour.

EllenBeth has just resigned from her presidency of the Florida Humanists: https://twitter.com/EllenBethWachs/status/317378286810451968 Discussing it with Poltroolon (who, as you can see from the subsequent tweets, embarrasses himself yet again by getting the wrong end of the stick as regards her re...

Submariner wrote:Stop the presses! Bill O'Reilly said something reasonable:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/2 ... ostpopular

I've often thought O'Reilly just plays to the camera. His actual beliefs are far more tolerant than they appear.

EllenBeth has just resigned from her presidency of the Florida Humanists: https://twitter.com/EllenBethWachs/status/317378286810451968 Discussing it with Poltroolon (who, as you can see from the subsequent tweets, embarrasses himself yet again by getting the wrong end of the stick as regards her re...

Actually, I think my presence as Mangynicus was so brief that nobody ever had a chance. It was just like "fu--o--" and then I was gone. I don't think there is a fence, to be honest. I'd still be commenting like hell at Zvan's or Benson's or Myer's if I could. I can't, so here I am. Welcome. You can...

Taslima has a post up asking "are you a feminist"? I took the test. Surprise, I am one! http://areyouafeminist.com/congrats.html Does this mean that PZ has to apologize to everyone who takes the test ? Huh. I flunked after the first question: Do you believe all people are equal? Naturally I chose '...

ERV wrote:The paper I submitted on the work Ive been doing for the past 100 years got accepted today :P (in PLOS ONE, open access, so you all can read it!)

Well done :D

Guestheist wrote:Shakesville is A+ on failsteroids. no wonder PZ is not trusted.

Yet it is a logical conclusion to this sort of ideology. It has no limits. It can justify any action and paint it as 'righteous' It is like Religion, a big con.

Plan Bâ„¢ for Team B . Reminder of Agenda <snip> Nugent 1: How to Work Together Where We Agree. Nugent 2: Freedom of Speech versus Hurtful Comments Nugent 3: On the Importance of Social Justice Issues Nugent 4: Overcoming Hostilities Nugent X: The Meta Thread. One problem is that these issues aren'...

My uni is having a panel discussion on careers in bio-tec-- Seven members of the panel, only two are men. SEXISM!!!!!!!! You have to remember that many in the A+/FtB group really believe that it is actually impossible to racist towards whites or sexist towards men. Ah yes, the power differential! I...

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Nevermind... :lol:

That mean we're officially an echo chamber?:)

I was logged so maybe bugged a bit.

The redefinition of censorship, censoring, and censor. Hmm. There is this growing odd phenomena over on FfTB, brought forth by such luminaries as Wowbagger the Assassin, and others, that censorship / censoring can only be done by a government. Where the fuck do they come up with this nosense? That ...

Reginald D hunter live : Lays down some "bad werds" in the first few minutes. Then it gets even funnier: [youtube]gvJ-6ukhDZA[/youtube] That was one hell of a funny show. Thanks for sharing! :clap: One of my favourite comedians. He gave a UK a presenter the fit of the giggles on breakfast TV: [yout...

One thing I'm not understanding is this whole super secret back channel approach to the set-up for these discussions. Why not announce the initial participants? Why not publicly discuss moderation policies? What role does the "moderator" for each "side" play? How does it help the process to keep th...

I'm afraid that I largely agree with welch in his pessimism. You are not debating reasonable people, you are debating members of a cult. We have witnessed their behaviour, their blatant dishonesty, so many times that they have become quite predictable. Perhaps not as predictable as Nerd of Redhead,...

I'm afraid that I largely agree with welch in his pessimism. You are not debating reasonable people, you are debating members of a cult. We have witnessed their behaviour, their blatant dishonesty, so many times that they have become quite predictable. Perhaps not as predictable as Nerd of Redhead,...

I want "us" to be Team B, because then "our" first two speakers will be these two guys: http://images.thevine.com.au/resources/VAR/000/024/news-you-can-use-bananas-in-pyjamas-rescued-from-kidnapping_h.jpg The first decision we made is avoid any reference to the Slymypit in names etc. Of course that...

Give me religious nuts like Brother Edward over atheist spunk-trumpets like Setar any day. As was already mentioned can somebody draw Melissa Macewen's attention to the video of PZ Myers asking a female audience member for sex? I would do it myself but this crappy tablet I'm using for internet acce...

SetÃ¡r is not the only one who tries to paint the Slymepitters as radical right wing fanatics. Folk like â€œdie-in-a-fireâ€ Wowbagger and Aratina Sewer do the same by bringing up Stormfront and the KKK when they mention the â€˜Pit. These people are not skeptics in any true sense of the word. I cal...

A good example of never really knowing someone until you have seen them discuss openly is Aratina Cage. He is heavily outnumbered yet stays calm and polite. Before then I just knew him as the guy who loved censorship. He is calm and polite now because he sees no choice. A bit of googling shows how ...

But she does peg Ophie as somebody too lazy to check her facts before posting. Yep - by Ophie's standards of what counts as harassment, that Shakesville thread alone is a "campaign of harassment" against Ophie. Of course, by McEwan's standards of what counts as rejective shunning behavior, "a visib...

http://i.imgur.com/micsStl.jpg SetÃ¡r is not the only one who tries to paint the Slymepitters as radical right wing fanatics. Folk like â€œdie-in-a-fireâ€ Wowbagger and Aratina Sewer do the same by bringing up Stormfront and the KKK when they mention the â€˜Pit. These people are not skeptics in an...

A good example of never really knowing someone until you have seen them discuss openly is Aratina Cage. He is heavily outnumbered yet stays calm and polite. Before then I just knew him as the guy who loved censorship.

Speaking of biased debates, does anyone remember the time Ophie decided to have a "debate" about bad werdz. First, she banned the people who used bad werdz from B&W (like Justicar) and then she picked one of her own posters to be "the opposition". Her requirements for the debate: Opponent has to be...

...But as many people come to atheism via completely unskeptical means as any other way, and I think the meme that atheists became that way because of "skepticism" is not only incorrect, but leads us into really poor assumptions. At last, someone else "gets it"! A hobby hoarse of mine is pointing o...

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4328

Why don't we get people like Brother Edward come here? They get all the fun. He lasted all of 15 hours before being banned.

Myself and Renee are the other two. It was based on who expressed an interest. There is and never was any claim we represent anyone else. As said this is an initial kick start, hopefully it will expand as time goes by. Good luck to all of you! Thanks! :D I'm pretty damn optimistic, I must say. But ...

I am taking note of all of your comments and thanks for the input.

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