If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Similarly with privilege: apart from the difficulty of pinning down who has more privilege than whom and in which circumstances, there is the fact that as those with various attributes â€“ who might happen to be on the low end of the totem pole â€“ organize they tend to wind up with additional priv...

Yes, a lot of people in the A/S movement HATE YOU. I'd be worried if that were the case. Hate shouldn't be dispensed too cavalierly. She is someone with issues, who has joined a movement defined by critical thought methodology, of which she doesn't even understand the basic principles, and therefor...

[youtube]5gaQ2xwTWZU[/youtube] Interesting that Justi reached (I'm assuming independently) the same conclusions re: incidents of sexual harassment @JREF sponsored events. Also interesting that in Boratina's video she mentioned was sounds like a "new" incident at this years TAM which involved confer...

Have you ever lived in the Bible Belt? Neither have I, but I understand it to be a different environment compared to La Jolla and University of California. Go ask a few teenagers in the Bible Belt to pick between a new iPad and Sunday School. If you look at tax receipts, you'll also notice that the...

To be fair, that "someone" was a friend, so it wasn't just a bystander. In that JREF thread there was a rather obtuse person called "takethat" with reading comprehension problems who was dismissive at first, and someone said "what if the person she talked to reacted like takethat"? So some people a...

Woodbine, try replacing 'Mormon' with 'Scientologist' or 'Satanist'. Would you be happy with a Satanist president? Aside from Phil's point about Judaism being an ethnicity as well as a religion, older faiths, like Judaism, only get treated with more respect than Mormonism (or Scientology) because t...

Now, to be perfectly clear since this isn't getting across - people are calling this 'French kissing'. It wasn't. It wasn't a kiss by any definition I have ever seen. We were at Del Mar, along with a bunch of other people, the person in question asked me to lean forward for something or other (I pr...

Well, excuuuuse me. I sort of figured that the â€œconventional wisdomâ€ in this neck of the woods was that the Pharyngulites were beyond the pale, were little more than â€œshit flinging Baboonsâ€, largely because of their gratuitous and, one might justifiably argue, their hypocritical use of prof...

Which orders would those be? But I canâ€™t see they, or Watsonâ€™s â€œraucous anticsâ€, would be of much relevance as the crux of the matter seems to be a question of sexual harassment, not party-mode behaviour. We don't know, they won't tell us. But they are keeping a secret list of 'transgressor...

CommanderTuvok wrote:
EveryMan wrote:I've heard of her going on stage at speaking engagements while intoxicated as well.
Might be best if she stuck to drinking coffee. Oh, wait... ;)

Actually, I've never heard her talk. Does she always sound like that? Maybe she isn't actually drunk in the clip...

I didnâ€™t watch the whole thing, but I didnâ€™t see her rolling around under the table. And her comments about a more or less even keel debate with some creationists seemed coherent and cogent, even if her conclusions were possibly somewhat naive or biased. But canâ€™t see that any of that justifi...

Badger3k wrote: You forgot: TRIGGER WARNING !

Watson is definitely up close and in your face from the very beginning. Gah! A little warning next time. I just ate! :shock:

wait, shit that may actually be Paul Giamatti in the clip.

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2005/s ... maitti.jpg

After I pointed out that social-Darwinism is not Darwinism, I winkled out of you that you were actually talking about Hitler and Stalin, and hinting at the old 'atheists killed more people than theists' line. Social Darwinism was greatly influenced by the theories of Charles Darwin (duh). see: http...

There is some evidence that drinking moderately makes you smarter: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/12/alcohol-smarter_n_1420750.html Although drinking heavily until 4AM in the morning can make you STOOPID. http://lh6.ggpht.com/_OfhI_YRE1ts/SlaOGh1F_BI/AAAAAAAABSc/2z1HbWTWxlA/DSC00479.JPG Rebe...

KiwiInOz wrote:
EveryMan wrote:And re: Stone & Parker, they are comedians/satirists. Not philosophers.
In the lexicon, they are professional piss takers.

And they've taken the piss outta me as well; I'm a big Al Gore supporter and had a bit of a cringe watching him get skewered.

I once attended a 'Psychic fair' type thing in my locality one time - just for some amusement, you understand - and I swear that the vast majority of attendees were women; and all were pretty eager to shell out a fortune for the various new-agey therapies, crystals, guardian-angel books and whatnot...

Note to Phil/etal, I'm wrapping this up and going somewhere with it, promise. If you are trying - with your 'two teams' theory - to suggest that atheism is more dangerous than religion, then Hitler and Stalin will not work as examples. Both Hitlerism and Stalinism were non-sceptical, irrational fait...

The census tries to find out why women "are not active within the secular movement". It highlights and discussed several factors other than harassment: insufficient time being the top factor. This is actually pretty huge. "I don't have time for that" is a nice way of saying you are not interested. ...

BTW I think 'trolls' is the wrong word for them. They're not trolls. Oh, I think PZ's commentariat fits the common definition of 'troll' quite nicely. What do internet trolls do? They hijack a forum and disrupt it with provocative, inflammatory nonsense that totally derails the overall discussion. ...

There is a local guy in this area who fits the description. He's obviously asperger, though I don't know if he realises it. He was known to be a skirt chaser. I don't find him creepy, I just find it a bit sad. I suppose if you didn't know him and weren't used to aspie folk, you'd find him creepy an...

I can think of two possible problems with the data set. As I understand it, you have to sign up and register at this census site to get counted as part of the statistics, which may bias the data towards people who have a complaint. Also, I have not come across how large their data set it. However t...

Do women in the sceptical/atheist 'movement' get loads of specifically sexual abuse, from men in the sceptical/atheist 'movement' ? Who knows? No attempt has been made to gather evidence about that one way or the other. I've made an attempt. My only criteria was that I stuck to events that involved...

http://skepchick.org/2012/08/speaking-out-against-hate-directed-at-women-michael-nugent/ A guy called 'wicknight' is finding out how much the Skepchick commentariat value disagreement and evidence. Oh that is brilliant. Just brilliant. That poor guy reminds me of King Leonidas at the end of "300", ...

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Could someone maybe open a thread somewhere else on the forum for the Hitch talk? Becoming tedious here...

I'll bring it around... just gimme a second. This is part of my thought process.

drinking every day is not a prerequisite for being an alcoholic, and not going to AA does not mean you don't spout AA dogma. "...eventually I started binging enough that I got the DTs on my dry days" that would make you an alcoholic No it would not, it just meant I had started to develop a dependen...

So now you do a burn out in your sneakers, do a 180 and say exactly what I originally did? Unreal. Not really. Again man, subtlety and nuance. All I'm really saying is that I've dried out I've had somewhat of an aversion to that sort of "wet brain" type thinking . Maybe that isn't fair, but neither...

KiwiInOz wrote:
franc wrote: Don't diss apatheism. It is a harder path than atheism, agnosticism or theism. Think about it. Really.
Nah. Can't be bothered.

That makes you a "Hipster atheist".

Horace AKA Netnanny wrote: Thanks,

In the mean time watch this:

Nice! Check this out (NSFW)

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franc wrote:
MY EYES! MY EYES! WHAT HAPPENED TO MY EYES!

That's payback for that fucking calendar with the "Winter Bush" reGreta spread.

So now you do a burn out in your sneakers, do a 180 and say exactly what I originally did? Unreal. Not really. Again man, subtlety and nuance. All I'm really saying is that I've dried out I've had somewhat of an aversion to that sort of "wet brain" type thinking. Maybe that isn't fair, but neither ...

Horace AKA Netnanny wrote: This is why I an accomadationist. Someone who is in error but undogmatic (e.g. many traditional christians) can be less dangerous than someone who is close to the truth but ruthless (PZs clowns if they ever had any political power).

+1 to that.

sacha wrote: yes, that is "Skepchick Elyse" - card recipient.

and in case anyone is curious, this is Surly Johnny: http://www.flickr.com/photos/surlyramic ... 533042970/

When he breaks up with her, is he going to throw the necklace at her? Or just grind it under his heel, real slow like...

::cough:: Therefore Asperger's and a crystal meth habit are the same. Yeppers. Do you have any evidence MKG has been professionally diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome? Do you have any evidence Justicar uses crystal meth? Btw, funny that I mention Paul ErdÅ‘s as he was long suspected to be an Aspie ...

Either way, I reject the argument that substance abuse is ever necessary. I'll also admit that this is very much my own personal opinion. previously - I reject the notion that genius is precipitated by substance abuse. That is a spectacularly dangerous nonsense. Backpeddling like PZ Myers. Uh, you ...

sacha wrote:
black and white thinking would have been had I refused to find your comment about "drinking around it" funny.

So now you are going after Clockwork Orange? For fuck's sake.

Well, I consider myself in excellent company...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_clockwor ... _dismissal

ERV wrote:Pretty sure the 'odious' thing was sarcasm.

I've read over that entire page and can honestly say I really can't tell anymore.

Didn't PZ once say he orchids freaked him out cause they looked like lady parts?

I'm not sure but I think that is "CardGate" girl on the left:

https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se ... Beaver.jpg

I completely disagree when it comes to Hitch, Dawkins (the only time I've heard him being referred to as "whiny" was from Merkins) MKG, and anti-theism. I'll wait for my other half to respond further in regards to those topics... Again I don't really get this sort of black/white type thinking. I do...

You do know that is one of the wonkiest and well-worn bits of theist apologetics known to man don't you? I've already told you that neither of them were Darwinists. You must know that they weren't atheists and neither were the regimes they created. You can look all this up. I'm not a theist apologe...

The former can also be argued, since 1. Alcohol precipitates DNA 2. Genius is ultimately a product of human DNA 3. Therefore, alcohol precipitates genius. ...no? I'll get me coat. There is some evidence that drinking moderately makes you smarter: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/12/alcohol-sma...

You are now comparing MKG to Justicar... Why not? They both mean well while also being insufferable gasbags. EveryMan, for the love of all that is holy, get your facts straight, stop being the stereotypical "reformed alcoholic", and stop strawmanning us before you submit your response. And I'm the ...

Ooh, Godwin ahoy I fear. Are you talking about Comrade S and Herr H perchance? The old 'atheists killed more people than religion line'? For starters the very term 'social-Darwinism' is a nonsense. Darwin had nothing to say about human society and politics. His name has been misappropriated by thos...

Dilurk wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... -find.html Not the best reference I know, but interesting.

It's been shown that the very intelligent tend to be (paradoxically) more likely to be substance abusers and self-destructive.

Okay, you + two talentless animators say Dawkins is 'whiny'. I say he isn't. If I can get three more votes for my side do I win? I'm not going down the baboon's road of 'tone doesn't matter so let's all scream fuck off', but criticising Dawkins on the basis of your perception of his tone is feeble ...

I got about a minute into the video (after that bloody long and annoying intro) and got this: 1. Here are some pictures based on string theory equations (written by humans) 2. Within them is stuff that looks like browser code (written by humans) Here is the original paper if you want: http://arxiv....

Did you actually say this to MKG? "And really dude, stop trying so hard. You ain't that smart, mango." MKG seems to suffer from the same affliction that affects Mr. Justicar, namely an overwhelming desire to impress just how smart he is via a seemingly unending torrent of double-speak. Given that b...

Naughty, uncle franc didn't say that substance abuse precipitates genius. He said it might be argued that substance abuse is precipitated by genius. Which is very nearly the opposite. You need better tricks than that here. Sacha came right out and said it... bloody selfish that is! Hitch would not ...

As I recall the only criticism Dawkins made when asked about the South Park episode was that he thought the English accent they used for him was terrible. Indeed he did. Unlike some people he doesn't consider himself above criticism. It reminds of if in the wake of the Mohammed cartoon thing years ...

The worst you can say about Dawkins tone in The God Delusion is that he is didactic, if you already understand his argument. Parker and Stone accuse him of 'pointing out stuff everybody already knows'. They miss the point that not everyone does know these things, and some who do dismiss them for fa...

I asked for evidence, not paraidolia . I use that since I can't remember what the term is for finding patterns within things ( I think it's different). This is how we have the face on Mars, the pattern of monuments in Washington DC showing an illuminati conspiracy, etc. Some times it is a code, oth...

Whatever your view of Hitch's politics, the point is that he could argue extemely well for his position. The reality is that there is no "right" political view, and no "wrong" political view. Whereas you may have disliked hitch's politics because of your own belief system, i would place a bet that ...

tachikoma wrote: There will be 3 levels of "punishment": being confined to the TZT (now called Thunderdome) or be banned if you post anywhere else, then automoderation, and being banned.

This is brilliant. I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried.

Any word if he's having them written on stone tablets yet?

!!! Get back in the fecking sack until you have sobered up, please. Strong Atheism HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH (a)gnosticism, save for in the fevered minds of the ignorant and under-educated. Again, here in America I've heard the terms conflated often. Maybe things are different down under. T...

You should rather educate yourself. You can start with Bosnia . You can then wrap your mind around the concept that people can occasionally be wrong. He expressed opinion. His opinion. Hitch may have been excessive in his support of gulf 2, but you have to recall the raw treachery of gulf 1 - where...

I thought Dawkins had done research that showed we're naturally nice to each other, based on how animals create families and little mini societies. We're naturally nice because that represents a biological advantage. HUGS ALL ROUND Dawkins is simply projecting his own wishful thinking. Killing anot...

It shows quite clearly that agnosicism and atheism are ENTIRELY ORTHOGONAL! I've been discussing anti-theism and strong (aka "gnostic") atheism, both of which have an element of dogma associated with them. This is what I reject. I've also found that, at least in America, that folks will conflate st...

With the very minor problem that such is EXACTLY what you did do. Explicitly. Clearly. You must be quite drunk to not recognise that. Sober up before responding further. The first rule of holes. Your spade is currently throwing dirt all over the bystanders as you dig deeper. I said this... Hitchens...

What? The? Fuck? OK - you are conflating two different stories and have no grip on either. Sorry. In the loon bin you go. Sorry dude I'm just not that into Hitchens. I already said I found him entertaining and just didn't agree with some of his politics. Did I miss something re: his endorsement of ...

Hitchens contended that organized religion is "the main source of hatred in the world", "Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism, tribalism, and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children", and that accordingly it "ought ...

...Dawkins... and the other "NoGod" cultists are proven trivially wrong given an even cursory examination of evolutionary biology and world history. I have never heard such a steaming pile of horse-shit in my life. If you can "trivially" prove that Dawkins is wrong in evolutionary biology, then wri...

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