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No it wasn't. My dog died this week and it really sucks. She was the best dog I ever owned and I used to train dogs for show so I've had a lot of dogs through the years. This one was unique I need to write it out but I'm waiting for the words to explain it properly. Sorry to hear about about your d...

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I have an Anglican priest due to show up in one hour. He is trying to convert me to his Church. I am trying to convert him to the MRM.

We have been at it for a year. No progress in either direction. But we do have fun slagging the Catholics. We seem to agree on that.

20 Jadehawk 28 February 2013 at 10:03 am (UTC -6) Link to this comment What on earth is Libertarian Feminism? what they themselves describe as â€œequity feminismâ€. Basically, itâ€™s â€œequality means no laws directly prohibiting women from doing things.â€ Equality of outcome is totally the wrong...

Newsflash: PZ butthurt over criticism, calls it " serious harassment," (per Jadehawk's groundbreaking blog-post) says his atheoskeptic critics are "camping on his virtual doorstep" and are worse than fundies. http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/02/28/i-didnt-know-i-was-signing-up-for-a-psyc...

@rocko2466 Refering back to http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=68776#p68776 BTW this is not an attack, I am genuinely curious seeing as this is a startling revelation to me, even though looking back I think I should have seen it before. Do people hold each individual baboon accountable fo...

So in the end, while all but two of your links are interesting, enlightening, and highly educational, I'm unsure what they prove in terms of radfems causing the great problems you insist they cause. They do not and can not. I am not giving the fundies equall billing with science but I do tend to pa...

So in the end, while all but two of your links are interesting, enlightening, and highly educational, I'm unsure what they prove in terms of radfems causing the great problems you insist they cause. They do not and can not. I am not giving the fundies equall billing with science but I do tend to pa...

Oh FFS! I am taking a break from reading the thread where Steersman got banned (holy fuck Steers, you are long winded) and I see that : http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/moving-forward/ # erikthebassiston 25 Feb 2013 at 2:15 pm Decius, As a regular at Pharyngula, I can and must point out ...

You have made certain claims about actual, real harm directly caused by Mckinnon et al. My "argument" is that I want to see your proof for those claims. If I remember correctly, your claim was that you have read up on MacKinnon et al and your evaluation is that there is "no harm". So I seriously do...

Even just reading the wiki article on her, it's noted that she influenced some really sexphobic anti-porn laws here in Canada some years ago. I'm not sure if they've been released yet. As is often said in response to wikipedia, citation needed. Ive looked over the Butler decision and I do not see w...

Even just reading the wiki article on her, it's noted that she influenced some really sexphobic anti-porn laws here in Canada some years ago. I'm not sure if they've been released yet. Well, I think you may have misread the wikipedia entry on MacKinnon. She herself appeared to deem it necessary to ...

it is *A* definition of harm. not the only one, nor is it complete. Sorry, not giving you a laundry list so you can find an edge case and then try to tell me that's how things are every day for every man. You're really bad at hiding your intentions. More hand waving and projection. You are a mind r...

Southern, fuck off! If you can't share a pic, just record your voice pronouncing various bad werdz in Portuguese. I ruined my monitor watching Morena Baccarin speaking Portuguese. I fucking love Portuguese. 7wZLvRs0TCk Uncanny. She looks enough like my ex-wife to be her (not as attractive) younger ...

Something that causes actual harm to anyone. Fuck, I'd take video of her kicking some guy in the nuts. THAT would be far more than you've come up with. So is that your definition of "real harm"? Is the MRA movement really based on fear? You are the one insisting that it is. Because I thought that a...

Again. Actual harm. Not just a lot of nutters screaming. I see little difference between all the harm THEY supposedly do and all the harm YOU supposedly do. I would be interested in seeing what your definition of "actual harm" is. Something more definite than scaaaaary lectures and scaaaaaaary writ...

I meant Elizabeth Wachs? I think...all these people. I don't really keep track. Is that her name? That woman claiming to be disabled by stuff she chooses to read on the internet. Anyway Andrewv69 my other post is much more meaningful than the one you responded to. OK thanks. Instead of jumping the ...

Every time I read some nonsensical article about "internet addiction" the article always talks about men playing video games or watching porn. Hmmmm...maybe if the authors would frame in such a way as what is happening with MBW "internet addiction" would make more sense to me. Frame it in a faceboo...

Again. Actual harm. Not just a lot of nutters screaming. I see little difference between all the harm THEY supposedly do and all the harm YOU supposedly do. I would be interested in seeing what your definition of "actual harm" is. It's all just a bunch of squabs, screaming for treats and shitting t...

welch wrote: Perhaps you should show actual evidence of actual harm as opposed to the relentless fearmongering you're so invested in. IBM did this decades ago, and really, much more effectively.

You have been given several examples already. Including one from a former RadFem.

mordacious1 wrote: Yes, normally not a big deal. BUT if your whole schtick is telling people that they can't make those kind of jokes, well then, it rather reeks of hypocrisy. Don't you think?

Yes. In that context it is a bit eyebrow raising to make that kind of joke.

However, while I have more than a few reservations about AVfM and company even if Iâ€™m somewhat sympathetic to their â€œEnemies Listâ€, and while Iâ€™m still a little ticked about them banning me â€“ for defending some aspects of feminism, I might add â€“ although Iâ€™m more amused than ticked, I...

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/148/greta.png http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/7029/ophelia.png :confusion-scratchheadyellow: Right... so it's okay to call someone a sexist epithet as long as you're making fun of them? Well, I have never said so before but yes. It does sound like a joke to me....

There are certain points the MRA's bring up that are sound, sensible, and should be supported. But the endless fearmongering of all feminists are not any of them. If you were defending Equity Feminism, I doubt any sane reasonable people would have a problem with it. However, You appear to be upset ...

The funny part is, is it wasn't for MRA's, internet anti-feminists, and other "illiterate goons", you likely would never even have heard of Sommers. If all you can see is a "proscription list" and "illiterate goons", then it's no wonder you're so fucking clueless. I don't object to the rest, only t...

No more than any other professor holding a far-extreme point of view. But i'm sure that RadFem is worse than allllll the others. QUICK! DUCK! MCKINNON'S RIGHT BEHIND YOU! RUNNNNNN! You seriously think that profs like MacKinnon and Sjoberg who incorporate in their work Radical Feminist ideology of t...

The Militant Feminist Quiz http://spacefem.com/quizzes/militantfeminist/ To be honest, i failed it...........lol 22% score. I suck at it too, it seems. (The test is quite funny, good witty answers). I managed to get: http://spacefemmites.com/limg/2013/militantfeminist/96-hardcore.jpg Clearly I have...

Repost to fix the quote: If you're studying modern European history, Hitler is most likely on the syllabus. Ask me how much I worry. If you're studying rather a few different courses, from Chinese culture to political science, Mao is on the syllabus. Maybe you should go cry in a corner over that. No...

If you're studying modern European history, Hitler is most likely on the syllabus. Ask me how much I worry. If you're studying rather a few different courses, from Chinese culture to political science, Mao is on the syllabus. Maybe you should go cry in a corner over that. Not the point. Studying Dw...

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Do you really think women can't be smart* and attractive? *not to say that success in academia is the only way to be smart The image struck me as being ironic on quite a few levels. It is both funny and sad at the same time. For me, one of the takeaways ...

well, to be honest, outside of you and a few other twats, people stopped giving a fuck about either Mckinnon or Dworkin decades ago. They make a lot of fucking noise, but at the end of the day, have no more influence than any other squab. It's only you tits going SEE! FEMINISM! and pointing at them...

I was unaware she was still a threat as a murderer. But according to the AVfM list, she is. I do not see the point of that entry, even though she is listed as a killer and it even notes: "she died behind bars in 2009, of natural causes". Other places have done a better job of documenting female ser...

I'd characterize Dworkin as completely, utterly, and totally harmless. She's been dead for almost 8 years. In the past she may have been a problem, but since 2005, not so much. It might be easier for you to argue that someone is still "dangerous" when they've not been dead for nearly a decade. Or a...

But that cost of $50,000 per year per inmate times the 2 million inmates works out to over $100 billion every year â€“ something seriously wrong with that picture. However, to the extent that various activist organizations and blogs â€“ and websites â€“ can do something to build something of a fire...

If you are a woman, you better be doing "it", whatever it is for yourself and your own satisfaction as the primary reason for doing it. Same goes for men. Congrats. Three doctorates in Physics, Chemistry and Biology? You think average guy gives a tinker's toss? I'm not average, and I can't speak fo...

Karmakin wrote:At the end of the day, all they're doing is doing harm in terms of what they want to achieve.

Agreed.

Unfortunately, I see a massive backlash forming. My timeframe is around 80 years. Fortunately I will not be alive to see it.

Well, according to the suckers on the other side, women -like Dr Hall and the rest of the chill girls- go into STEM/male dominated fields to garner male attention. Sounds like envy to me. They not only have not got the chops, no male is ever going to become dumber than a bag of hammers once they st...

This was brought up earlier: I wonder what the reaction would be over at Aethism Plus if they were told that the MRA position is that "yes it is rape and she should be in jail for it". http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=4035 Given the power disparity between a guard and a prisoner, I...

More fun with beauty and STEM. Go to the following link and ctrl-find the term "Inge" (that's for Engineering). That's how many beauty queens + engineer combos, Venezuela had in 2003: http://www.bellezavenezolana.net/missvenezuela2003/datos.htm Oh, I would totally do you or any of them. OK, I am go...

Individuals of favored groups (the "oppressed") have every reason to distrust the motives of those wielding the noblesse oblige, and the disfavored "privileged" folks know for a fact that they're being judged unfairly. Lose-lose. That said, I'd like to hear you say more about how you see "gender fe...

See, the problem is that women are underrepresented in fields like science and medicine. Clearly, the solution is to belittle women who want to or have been in these fields as just wanting to be one of the guys. That way, everyone is wrong! We can also just ignore the possibility some women, perhap...

I had a friend named Jeb. Naturalized U.S. Citizen, British parents. Born in....South Africa. Fishbelly white. We never could get him to put "African - American" as his background, even thought that label fit him perfectly. Sometimes, the powers that be do not appreciate being mocked. http://www.te...

reGreta basically told the person to shut up or suffer bannination from her blog (google "Race and Inclusivity â€” A To-Do List"). There was another blog entry she had about the same topic, she ended up doing the same to a skeptic that identified as Hispanic (I believe the discussion was along the ...

Dick Strawkins wrote:Were we just trying to get into her knickers?
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Did not someone here comment that apparently Granny porn was quite popular within a certain segment of the porn viewing population?

A prison guard having sex with an inmate is very likely to be rape, given the power differential. Further, a neurotypical person having sex with someone disabled enough to lose responsibility for murder is very likely to be rape. I don't see any reason to question it in this case. You know, a year ...

How to write this if you're not andrew: "Welch, your order was off. Summers stepped down in 2006, the credit swap shit wasn't until 2008, dumbass" Not really my style. When I do use words like "dumbass" I am actually performing an unnatural act. However, your assertion that it was solely "THE FEMIN...

Hmmm, Comrade PhysioProf shows up and he also has the audacity to link to his blog. His comment has no extra vowels so perhaps he is off his meds (or on them) because he actually and for once uses words that .... http://www.michaeleisen.org/blog/?p=1304#comment-226448 Very cool paper! The following ...

In other news: Please review our new paper: Sequencing mRNA from cryo-sliced Drosophila embryos to determine genome-wide spatial patterns of gene expression http://www.michaeleisen.org/blog/?p=1304 Iâ€™ve written about this before, and wonâ€™t rehash the arguments here, save to say that I think we s...

Submariner wrote: Who here can tell me the difference between Chris Clarke and P Zed?

I failed to notice, and I believe at least one other got caught.

In other news, Blah blah blah. Linky Linky Linky Steers, I owe you an apology. You are obviously not the most tedious, verbose poster on the 'pit. The very reason to not invite Andrew to be one's best man : (Pat of a Mitchell & Webb Youtube clip) Brilliant. I concur. Well, it could be worse. [youtu...

:icon-lol: That has to qualify as a classic left-handed compliment â€“ thanks, I think. Though to be fair to Andrew, his posts, I think, have a fair amount of meat to them, just that they frequently require more time and effort to parse than I, at least, frequently have time for â€¦. You are the wi...

http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=66879#p66879 And which straight "cis" person would even contemplate the possibility of gender-surfing? Norah Vincent did try living like a man for 18 months. She is not straight though, so she did wind up going out on dates with women while posing as a m...

In other news, While scrolling by the last rant directed at me by walsh, I got the impression that he seemed to think that Summers lost his job at Havard, not because of the gender feminists AKA, the "PC crowd" but because of money. The problem with the "over a billion" dollars loss is that Summers ...

@Windy,

OK I take it back what I said about Neven SesardiÄ‡. Making Sense of Heritability is actually pretty accessible.
http://books.google.ca/books?id=3rinSZN ... &q&f=false

@Windy, I did not make it clear that I got your point, instead I went galloping off madly in all directions. The issue you have with Shalizi: I will push extra hard , once again, Clark Glymour's paper on The Bell Curve, which patiently explains why these tools are just not up to the job of causal in...

Indeed, since I don't know what the hell you were getting at either. If you are going to spoon-feed someone, wouldn't it be best to have some sort of goal in mind? The little duckie on the bottom of the bowl? Sounds like your eyes glazed over and you managed to scroll down just in time to avoid fal...

Sally Strange has reached her $ target to attend the American Atheists 50th Anniversary National Convention. Good for her, I'm sure she will have a great time. With any luck I'll see her there but I have no idea what she looks like and even if I did I can't think of anything I would feel the need t...

Hoping not to encourage another rambling post from Andrew, but just to address this point: No fear of that at the moment. I was unsure of exactly how familiar welsh was with the concepts, so I thought it best to spoon feed him and take him through the process step by step. It did not go down well I...

Yes, and it's the same one so many tech pundits have: it's rather hard to weasel out of things without them. No shit Sherlock! Anyway, the takeaway from this exchange, is that the very best thing a highly intelligent woman can do for society is to have as many kids as possible. That is all. Marie C...

It's probably explainable by shared delusions, confirmation bias, and cynical ploys for individual and group political power, but sometimes it really does look like the modest beginnings of a witch hunt. I suppose it could look like a witch hunt, but I see it more as the reification of the ideas by...

Yes, and it's the same one so many tech pundits have: it's rather hard to weasel out of things without them. No shit Sherlock! Anyway, the takeaway from this exchange, is that the very best thing a highly intelligent woman can do for society is to have as many kids as possible. That is all. Meh. An...

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