If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

I see. Look at my "joined" date. It is no guarantee for anything, but it should give you an idea of where I am coming from in this mess.

I really hope your understand I am fucking with you right now...

Ah. Teambuilding. Of course. What a stupid thing to do. Oh well.

Sinister: may I ask if you have one of those communities? I am asking because I don't.

Sinister: for what is is worth, the latest post was not addressed to you

Very agressive. Is this where I say :Sub?

That is one of the more awkward typos I made seen in a while. Can I instead argue there is no such "community"?

You are right that I am a coward, but not about my motivation. I had a wonderfurful day at work, too. Cheers!

That, I do not see. What is this "community" you talk about?

That is fair enough (and I apologize for offending you). Anyway, fuck her...

So that we would be a "no" then. Would you speak to to Benson if you met her face-to-face? Just wondering...

Strawkins: Thanks. There is nothing in your post that I disagree with.

I am going to use this opportunity since there are (almost) no one here. Following the latest posts/tweets from Dawkins/Coyne there is little doubt what they think. Not that it matters, but it is nice. Is there anyone who thinks that it is possible to ever have a rational discussion with FTB?

Liesmith: By no means, I just wanted to emphasise it. What am I missing?

Strawkins: you are smart, I have seen that from your posts. Why do you pursue this "rape" issue?

I actually have some sympathy for those Yezidis. Fuck the Muslims and the fuck the Christians, we go for Zoroastiosm (or some such)

http://www.danbackman.se/bilder/artikel/hepstars.jpg

Hep Stars are the thing.

Phisioproffe should be back posting his horrible risotto-with-avocado recipes, instead of trying to be the embodiment of Justice Over Internet. Jesus Fucking Christ, the guy is an idiot. In context, my post following the above may give the impression of being a half-assed-irony-response. It wasn't,...

If anyone bothers, it looks like I have to eat my words. The age of being criminally responsible is much less than 16 years old. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_cri ... onsibility

Oh, in good news, today was my wife's last radiation treatment. It's not as harsh as chemo, but man does she have one serious sunburn from it and the whole right side of her rib cage is the color of a boiled lobster. She also doesn't have to do Chemo, but may do the estrogen suppression hormonal th...

Well, just enjoying the explication of the SJW's selective hypocrisy though I do feel a bit sorry for Bora. Also noticing that even here nothing quite brings out the irrational like crimes involving sex. Heck, half the people here can't wrap their heads around people that are biologically children ...

No, it didn't work. PZ would need to have deleted the original post, and he hasn't done that. He hasn't written much else since then explicitly accusing Shermer of anything but he's left up the original post and occasionally drops unsubtle hints in other posts along the lines of suggesting that rap...

So, basically you're an apologist for rape apologists? That's getting getting pretty meta. If I could be assed-to-bother, I'd dig out my SJW Finger Pointing Attack Card and see which of these three categories you fit: 'worse than a rapist,' 'as bad as a rapist' or 'close to, but not quite as bad as...

BTW what "civilized countries" were you referring to before where a 12-year-old would not have been punished from rape of three minors - all younger than six years old - that he was charged with caring for? Bitterness aside, the context of this entire issue was the self-appointed Lords of Atheism d...

I don't remember anyone suggesting a particular punishment for Ogvorbis. When the subject of his age at the time was raised I can recall people saying that he should be treated as less culpable than an adult would have been. The reason his situation keeps getting raised is due to the SJW refrain of...

Tribble wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:If a 12 year old raped my 6 year old daughter I'd want him jailed. Right after I snapped his cock off.
+1

I suspect I would feel the same. No discussion there. But is it rational thinking? Probably not.

Tony Parsehole wrote:If anybody wants to watch a nice, happy family film don't watch The Magdalene Sisters. It's on now and, fuck me, it's grim.

That's from Ireland with the orphan girls "looked after" by the Catholic clergy, right?

You're old enough, at 12, to know not to rape. I knew not to rape. I knew not to murder. I knew not to assault people. I knew not to steal. I knew not to play in traffic. I knew to look both ways before crossing the street. In fact, there's a whole list of things I knew not to do from the mundane t...

Assuming Ogvorbis hasn't committed more crimes than he admits to I don't think he should have been jailed. On the other hand, if he did what he said he did, it was wrong don't you agree? A 12 year old that is sexually involved with much younger children and knowingly violating the position of trust...

Underline mine. Unlike some places there is no clique or posting requirement to contribute here, as many 'guest' posts will testify to. I was welcome in this dump from day one nearly a year ago. All you need is a thick skin and reluctance to take offense or hold grudges. Thanks for that. I sort of ...

Phisioproffe should be back posting his horrible risotto-with-avocado recipes, instead of trying to be the embodiment of Justice Over Internet. Jesus Fucking Christ, the guy is an idiot. In context, my post following the above may give the impression of being a half-assed-irony-response. It wasn't,...

First, Physioproffe (?) is an idiot and second, has Bora ever written anything worth reading? Best regards Curious.

The age is inconsequential when the perp admits that they knew it was wrong but did it anyway. In any case, I'm still not sold on Ogvorbis' "recovered memories" story. Seems like bullshit. But I am sold on a bunch of vicious fuckers giving him hugs and babysitting gigs. Right. It's more likely the ...

The age is inconsequential when the perp admits that they knew it was wrong but did it anyway. In any case, I'm still not sold on Ogvorbis' "recovered memories" story. Seems like bullshit. But I am sold on a bunch of vicious fuckers giving him hugs and babysitting gigs. Agreed on the "recovered mem...

The fact that he was twelve at the time is inconsequential. At the time, he wasn't forced into it like he was when he was younger. He did it voluntarily and with purpose. Juxtapose their reaction to Bora and their reaction to Ogvorbis, and then consider the severity of the two cases. Which one is m...

And being 12 doesn't absolve one from their crime. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger Thompson and Venables were ten. Also remember, for the SJL, rape is worse than murder, yet Ogvorbis gets hugs and babysitting gigs. In most civilized jurisdictions, it does. I just think it is a c...

I had a look at that "Stunning Silence"-thread at Pharyngula (I've been out of circulation for a while). What the fuck does the sad story of that Ogvorbis-fellow has to do with anything? And before someone says "hypocrisy", consider the context of the thread, the fact that he was fucking 12 - and th...

Steersman, There is no smallest positive rational number, because if there were, it could be divided by two to get a smaller one. And since I offered it as an analogy to pointing out the hypocrisy of PZ and company â€“ "helping people think through their own logic " â€“ I might reiterate Mykeruâ€™s ...

I do not always meet the standards I set for myself. I fail more than I'd like. But every time, I try to learn from that failure and try to do better . If PZ had said, "you know, you're right. Stef has the same right to her feelings as Rebecca does to hers, even if I disagree. Her feelings are exac...

"It's more like a public service, really... helping people think their way through their own logic , hehe." Yes! :banana-rock: :happy-cheerleadersmileyguy: :happy-wavemulticolor: But, for the more philosophically inclined, also known as reductio ad absurdum â€¦. I will probably regret this, but Ste...

Well, I think we're okay with pretty much anyone throwing the YOU'RE A HYPOCRITE stone. Whether it's FtB or ourselves. If I'm acting hypocritical, I'm sure y'all will shit on me. It's more like a public service, really... helping people think their way through their own logic, hehe. Rayshul, I cert...

For fuck's sake. You continue to confuse the lack of absolute standards with absolute adherence with there being no standards at all. Example: Someone who isn't gay and doesn't use illegal drugs who condemns homosexuality and drug use may be wrong on those issues, but is not necessarily a hypocrite...

Mykeru wrote: Is that like saying because we can't have absolute knowledge, we can't have any knowledge at all?

No, it isn't. I think it is more like saying you can throw the first stone if you are innocent.

Well, it depends: if someone is caught out being hypocritical over something they've only shown a mild to middling disdain for, then I'm pretty sure most people can let it pass. But when you have someone like Myers, whose disdain for misogyny is so deeply infused that he can liken critics of femini...

Steersman wrote: Where exactly do you see the inconsistency? Citations needed .... "what can be asserted without proof â€¦."

I am amazed. Are you really pulling a Nerd of Redhead on me?

I'm pretty sure being hypocritical means you don't live up to your own standards. The 'pit is pretty diverse. Some people do have standards about these issues, others don't. When someone does make a huge moral point about things, though, they're poked at if they don't stand by them. You can see a r...

Yes, it makes more sense, but I still don't understand this: THEY are hypocritical because they can't live up up to their own standards, but WE (not speaking on behalf of the 'pit) are not because we don't have any such standards (about policing language). I can see the rhetorical point about PZ's ...

No. You aren't quote mining. But you're doing what SJWs do. You're finding a piece of random conversation, and you're using it to suggest that X has taken a particular position and is therefore a bad person and should be called out for it and shamed into saying that they were wrong/apologising. The...

I have a question. I am one of those who like to read pop-evolution books. I am currently in the middle of Sex at Dawn, and I was wondering if anyone had an opinion as to whether it is crap or something to consider. Someone said earlier that this book is one single counter-argument, and I think I am...

ARGH. Picking apart what people say like that? Fuck! This is how SJW act. This is the problem. Where they will pick on every motherfucking thing. And it's fucking stupid. This isn't saying something stupid. Saying something stupid would be to say, I don't know, do a speech about evo-psych being woo...

rayshul wrote:I think it's a special form of madness to bitch about that. Like, who in fuck cares. The only reason we shit on PZ et al for similar is because they're being repeatedly hypocritical. Ughhh.

I am not sure I understand that. Does it matter less when one of our "own" says something stupid?

The problem, as I see it, is that the atheism movement became so successful at taking on the religious (at least in the media) that other single-interest groups who also faced some degree of religious oppression (LBGTetc, feminists) were attracted to it. So long as we are fighting one battle - say ...

fascination,

No need to apologise, I am still questioning the need to make fun of "Twatson" and the "Prune". Do you find it funny?

fascination,

I am not complaining about this forum. If I was, I would not be here. I am probably laughing at the same things you are.

Cunt,

I apologise. I have not paid enough attention to comment on the video issue.

Steersman,

I never thought I would have the honour of responding to you...

1. Thanks
2. I know far more than I would like to...
3. Nice one. Practically we are enemies?
4. Just a rude ending. Sorry.

Rayshul,

I can appreciate that. But then you assume "fucked up ideologies and dogma and crazy fuckery". Do you really think that is true?

Cunt,

I fully accept there is a line somewhere. Do I understand you correctly if I say that that the line has been been crossed for woolybumblebee but not in respect of e.g. Watson or Surly Amy?

This is my first comment here. I am one of those who liked the front page of RDnet, and when that went down the drain, went to Pharyngula for the daily dose of godless propaganda. That was fun for a while. Coyneâ€™s place also helped balance things. The â€œWally Smithâ€-affair helped even more. Oph...

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