If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Sorry, Phil Giordana.

I always read it as "gordiana" in my head for some reason.

Seems to me that youâ€™re missing the point of his anecdote. Which looked like a very clear case in point wrapped up in some self-deprecating humour. Although whether or to what degree it is justified to generalize from that particular to the general is, of course, moot. I understand his point to b...

Since Phil Gordiana beseeched us to take our offtopic posts elsewhere in the forum, I went ahead and made the following thread The Everyman argument thread I respectfully suggest people who want to argue with Everyman or discuss the (offtopic) things he brought up should all go post there instead.

People arguing with Everyman seem to be taking over the Undead Thread, so I've taken the liberty to create a separate thread for the following topics: Alternative medicine: harmless complementary medicine or fatal woo? Women: overly emotional and prone to histrionics? Alcoholism: fatal flaw or the s...

Translation: don't get angry or it will magically disprove what you say blah blah emotional intelligence blah blah blah blah privilege blah blah patriarchy blah blah flatter CEO exec yum! how can you resist women managers? blah blah If the point of the discussion is that some women tend to lapse in...

About Tf00t:

On the one hand, two wrongs don't make a right. On the other...I regard this as bad form by Tf00t, about on par as, say, leaking friends-only Facebook conversations. (Also happened to Abbie, but that incident has no convenient wiki article to link to)

So does UCSF, which is one of the top-ranked medical research institutions in the world. UCSF may be highly regarded but that doesn't mean the Osher Center is. Just goes to show that $37 million bucks is more important to UCSF admin than their integrity. You can bet your life their alumni are spewi...

The legal definition of harassment in Nevada: NRS 200.571 Harassment: Definition; penalties. 1. A person is guilty of harassment if: (a) Without lawful authority, the person knowingly threatens: (1) To cause bodily injury in the future to the person threatened or to any other person; (2) To cause ph...

Feminism may have freed women like Abbie Smith and Scented Nectar from traditional roles, but I am at this point dubious that it has been a net value for women and society overall, given the number of survey results that apparently show that women in general are unhappier than men, and the unhappie...

Emil Karlsson takes on Will's argument about qualtitative vs quantitative on his Debunking Denialism The article title "The Triumph of Modern Quantitative Science" and the first line " A cultural anthropologist named Will posted an attempt at rebutting the general argument I laid out in The Plural ...

But...but...*consults baboon freethinking rulebook*...intent isn't magic, right PZ? Right guys? It's not Rogi's fault that she didn't see the humour in PZs little joke, right? Because if it was her fault, then that would be victim blaming, right...right...guys? rofl In other social justice "safe sp...

I don't blame anyone for dancing on the grave of serial spammer John A. "I love it so!" Davison. Sorry, I will have to disagree. The guy is dead and couldn't care less, but he also had friends and family (I think) who may care. Not cool. Just to be clear, I meant "dancing on the grave" metaphorical...

Other stuff from the JREF thread I came across while I was trying to find RemieV's story: They don't like skeptifem either Belz, I disagree with Rebecca on just about everything and Skepchick articles have a tendency to inspire my gag reflex. Just because I don't agree with someone often doesn't mea...

justinvacula wrote:...and I won't be wearing celery.

"Safe space" = no celery.

I wonder if the 'fake jewelry' wearer, if this 'fake jewelry' existed*, intentionally parodied that tweet. Probably not, but that would be interesting if so. Roth sure seems to think so. But at TAM I dealt with a lot of real people who, while they never touched me, they did things like make fake Su...

New blog post up concerning Surly Amy's recent podcast appearance in which she said that conferences should ban "fake jewelry." http://www.justinvacula.com/2012/08/surlyamy.html Great post JustinV. There was this group of, again, very vocal angry troll-like people that did some really awful things ...

+1 to this thread

I brought up the idea or term because I think it is a decidedly problematic and ambiguous term. In addition it seems to me that, as Iâ€™ve argued elsewhere, the various discussions on privilege have more than just a faint air of some silliness. It reminds me somewhat of various discussions between ...

David Marjanovic glees over someone being dead but still in the dungeon. http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/08/06/the-new-rules/comment-page-1/#comment-425738 Really, these are a sick bunch of puppies. I don't blame anyone for dancing on the grave of serial spammer John A. "I love it so!" ...

Badger3k wrote:From Failblog:
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We are a secular nation that is getting more secular every day. I've lived my entire life in an environment entirely free of religion. I don't even know anybody that still goes to church...Yes, there are lots of Mormons here in LaJolla (including Mitt Romney)...I also work for the University of Cal...

Again, I have to go with ThunderF00t here and question exactly how culpable a conference organizers should be for behavior that happens at bars outside of the conference proper. I personally view sexual harassment by drunks at bars as a separate issue. Also note that the separate incident in TAM 9 ...

After looking over Pharyngula's posts from yesterday, I'll just say this. When more and more people every day are raising their voices and calling you a dick, eventually a rational person could be excused for thinking, "Hey, am I being a dick?" Irrational people, on the other hand, go even deeper i...

Not disagreeing with you at all. Just trying to point out or argue that context tends to be individual and idiosyncratic; somewhat of a question of privilege, I think, to expect that everyone is starting from the same â€œtee-offâ€ position, so to speak .... I agree that context tends to be individ...

CommanderTuvok wrote:BTW, does anybody have any evidence this fake jewellery existed?

I'd love to buy some. It would surly be better than the crap Amy was selling.

Here. And they are funnier: " a man and woman standing on either side of an elevator with a big red slash through the whole picture"

Do women in the sceptical/atheist 'movement' get loads of specifically sexual abuse, from men in the sceptical/atheist 'movement' ? Who knows? No attempt has been made to gather evidence about that one way or the other. I've made an attempt. My only criteria was that I stuck to events that involved...

He is arguing well enough, I guess, but I think he and the Skepchicks are mistaken on one fundamental point: it doesn't matter much whether harassment is more, less, or equally common in the skeptic community compared to, say, the local Toastmasters club. That's a red herring. The rules we make for...

Someone posted this survey as a sort of "take that! I'll bet you'll shift your goalposts now" to wicknight. Very good, now can people please just link to this instead of saying "Just google it!"? The census tries to find out why women "are not active within the secular movement". It highlights and ...

Michael Nugent replies to wicknight: I agree that personal insults donâ€™t add anything to the content of a discussion, and that we should address the post and not attack the poster. But we should also factor in empathy and compassion and ethics and emphasis and priorities and perspective. For exam...

But, FWIW, PZ put me into the Dungeon there because of an exchange I had with the infamous Sally Strange on the Not as much fun as it sounds thread: SallyStrange (#36), Shorter Steersman: Bitch was askinâ€™ for it, cuz bitches be crazy. Got any more idiotic sexist stereotypes to spew asshole? -----...

New FTBlahgs posts up. Favorite Quote: "Anyway, this pinhead is almost amusing: by crudely stereotyping and insulting everyone who doesnâ€™t agree with you and childishly shunning large secular groups like our network you are backing yourself into the proverbial corner and isolating yourself from t...

A tweet:

@AngrySkepchick Whoa! Did these NASA employees *ask* before hugging?! It must be unsafe to work in the space program. http://t.co/A6SgsbEh

PeeZus' take would be that it's naughty people (like us) who don't like lady-parts, and that's why they use 'cunt' as an insult. That's how I interpret that line as well. The problem with using too much sarcasm is that it relies too much on having the reader already understand the context and where...

What? Queasy Peezy has gone back to moderating so soon? He claimed he would leave his comments open with free speech and no modding, except that the only way to get any modding done would be to ask Mrs Trophy at an email that Peezy gave out. Earlier this morning he had a gigantic post titled "The N...

I took a look at the other things @AmetSpeaks posted

PZ has banned the head of CFI Canada and DJ from Pharyngula/FTB.

Dillahunty blocked someone from twitter because he said "Hey guys, I don't need to see your squabbling on my page. Just make a phone call next time."

Since no-one else has done it. Here's a link to a twitterpic showing what Diullahunty got up to. (Not his page, but a critics', for those who wish to deny him hits). I thought FTB wanted everyone to get over elevatorgate. After all, it's just misogynists like us who obsess over it, or something. Th...

Ninja'd. I was about to say, Tigzy did you forget your own post?

The 'shove a dead porcupine up your ass' thing is fading out from Pharygula owing to the fact that a number of baboons actually are coming to realise that it's inappropriate in a place which they vaunt as being a 'safe place' for rape victims. I did call them on it one time, and asked if anyone wou...

Searched for some info on the parody ceramics, came across this JREF thread http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8485962&postcount=98 I can verify the fake Surly-ramics necklaces were real, as I saw more than one of them. Strange, but true. http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8488381&postcount=...

From a Hemant Mehta blog post: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/08/05/are-they-really-bad-atheists/ The same Murphy article has also been discussed at Jerry's Someone (not a regular commenter at WEIT) left the following comment: It seems to me that the atheist movement has become s...

@ElevatorGATE I'll bet @SurlyAmy did take pictures! How else is she to bully people if she doesn't show info that can identify the mockers?! I'm confused, trying to parse through the layers of sarcasm here...is the intended message "Amy does not have pictures because only bullies will take pictures...

Badger3k wrote:Hmm - I wonder, will Ophelia see this as a threat, since it comes from you (so it has to be), but it involves someone doing something to themselves, so by baboon logic it might not be a threat....hmm. I'm sure she'll figure some way. She's smart like that.

http://i.imgur.com/8YEQP.png

I have even heard a suggestion that speakers in skeptical events should be prohibited from engaging in carnal liaisons with any attendees who were not also on stage.

Perhaps this is actually specifically targeting Shermer?

This comic was posted a while back, but check out the mouse-over text:

how dare I pontificate about chicks and their preference for laser eyes whilst dripping with internet cartoonist privilege

If you want to get really worked up about it generallyfading you could write a blog post, greta xxxtina will probably even post about breaking into tears when she reads it. Opheila will blame it on dj grothe though EXcellent idea! I'll go off an troll DJ to show support. Oh, no wait.... Cheers for ...

International Women's Working Day.jpg Owwwww. I've worked with chainsaws. Even just thinking of the chips and dust - no way would I be naked near that. Anyone who does that is either insane or dedicated. Or fucking stupid. I had a look at the smilies available. Gromit is there! And Hobbes! :charact...

Here's a good article explaining lots I didn't know about Valerie Solanas. http://www.geoffreyfalk.com/wp_blog/?p=20543 Heh (I was gobsmacked when I read on the Slymepit, yesterday or the day before, about Solanas having tried to kill someone. Curiosity got the better of me, and during a break at w...

Oh yes...

10. Ashley Miller's assaulter, who was thrown out of the meeting by DJ.

So I googled "Rebecca Watson rape threats". Lots of people talking about it, but no details. I did find this: http://skepchick.org/2011/12/reddit-makes-me-hate-atheists/ So let's recap (in no particular order): 1. Reddit trolls post about how they want to fuck a 15yr old girl up the ass because she...

Watson wrote:I believe all humanity is part of a single remarkable universe becoming conscious of itself.

If you hadn't told me this came from Watson, I would have guessed it came from someone like Deepak Chopra. Is this something a self-professed skeptic should be saying?

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I really should stop writing on the internet when pissed. Any app for that?

Not an app, but obligatory xkcd comic

(FWIW I didn't think your "cranky" comments were bad)

AndrewV69, thanks for interesting links. You Do Not Want To Be A Single Lady Over 28 In China http://www.businessinsider.com/you-do-not-want-to-be-a-single-woman-over-28-in-china-2012-7 Recent changes to home-ownership laws have put women at an even greater disadvantage. When couples divorce, the ma...

A couple interesting comments over at Tf00t's In Sweden, where I live, the feminist movement saw their chance to go into politics for real a few years ago, not just by influencing important politicians this time, but as a real feministic party. They had some decent support too, until it was time fo...

Well that didn't last: http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8012/7700974542_db647faa00_z.jpg That "everything is already documented" argument frequently used by the Baboons and Skepchicks is very much a copy of the trick religious people use when they say "well, until you've read the Bible from front to c...

Pharyngula: a now common example of what not to be. Seen at Feminist Critics in a discussion about moderation: FC is worried about regular commenters piling on in a way that PZ Meyers seems to revel in, and thatâ€™s not an entirely bad thing. I agree that the moderating seems a bit excessive from ti...

Justin: Nice image. Did you make it?

Franc, thanks for the tip.

Tigzy wrote:
Tigzy wrote:http://i.imgur.com/aw4Vw.png
Ah, it's gone already. Why am I not suprised...

Wait what. Ophelia deleted your post just because of different literary preferences?

Did she already know you were a slimepitter and looking for any reason, however unrelated, to delete your posts?

re: The DefCon card things... here is the follow-up: http://singlevoice.net/2012/07/14/defcon-cards-redux/ Yeah, a few things feel...off. She quotes "Geek Social Fallacies of Sex" from the geekfeminism wiki/blog: GSFS 3: Cool chicks donâ€™t worry about sexism. This isnâ€™t exactly a sex thing but G...

The red and yellow cards seem like a very good natured response to some quite rude behaviors ( http://singlevoice.net/2012/07/12/sexism-redyellow-cards-at-defcon/ ). My personal view is that anyone who grabs a woman who just happens to be ahead of him in line deserves to wake up in the ER. I do sus...

I have a suggestion that I cannot implement as a random anon wikia contributor. On the main page, instead of listing a long list of all the articles, would it be possible to have a list of contents/categories? For example, see the "contents" section of wikia's template help section . Browsing some o...

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