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*Laughs at 'Antiochus Epiphanes' on the baboon board*: ...However, FtB is intended to be revolutionary in the culture of skepticism, atheism, humanism, and feeethought. Revolutions are rarely bloodless. Yeah, kinda like North Korea was intended to be revolutionary in the culture of plurality, democr...

OMGZ!?! :shock: How could I forget one of my all time favourites, whose work is almost unique in that it falls under the rarified umberella of what can be called sociological Sci-Fi, John Wyndham . Ooh. I just love his stuff. And, for the last year or so, I have been quite seriously pondering conta...

I like steampunk loads, mostly because I'm a big fanboi of retro-futurism in general. Hence, I can be counted as another fan of Sky Captain and The World of Tomorrow. I also watched Brazil again the other day - still one of the best visions of a technologically advanced 1940s. The use of the ubiquit...

I have like a billion Dick books lying around. And like Gibson (Pattern Recognition I think was his best). Favourite scifi has to be Never Let Me Go... that one broke my brain. (Movie was also super.) But beyond that I don't read much scifi - I do write it though. William Gibson - though Neuromance...

Tigzy did you post a link to your book? If there's a freely available chapter or prologue then that would be interesting to me. I apologize if you posted it and I missed it, or if you chose not to. I'll pass, cheers. My paranoia as regards various baboons may be alarmist and unwarranted - but I fig...

Cheers for the link - and if you're already into online marketing, well I reckon that's a major portion of the battle already settled. Good luck with your book & series anyway - and, uh, if you do find a really successful viral marketing technique, feel free to drop me line.

And yup, very true about there being a LOT of competition, but the thing about the Kindle is that it puts a lot of books into the realms of impulse purchases, the prices are so low. Sure, a lot of it is shovelware shite, but if you look at the Top 200 sci-fi books on there, I believe something like...

Tigzy said: I almost got a story into F&SF thanks to Gardner Dozois - he liked it, but it needed edits. Cool. Bravo to you. Keep trying, and be sure to let us all know of one gets published. I must say, though, that I am a bit surprised by the "it needed edits" comment -- unless he was referring to...

Yep. It's as easy as pie to self-publish through Amazon. But it's hard graft to get people interested in your work in particular, because there's a LOT of competition out there. Needless to say, my success was very limited. Always worth a try though, because you never know if you'll strike gold. I'm...

Gardner Dozois' annual collection of best Sci-Fi is a very good read, and exposes one to all sorts of authors otherwise not known. I almost got a story into F&SF thanks to Gardner Dozois - he liked it, but it needed edits. So I duly edited it, sent it back - only for it to be turned down cos F&SF g...

'Tis fair to say, I've gobbled up a lot of Dick.

Very fond of Philip K Dick's stuff, myself. Devoured tons of his novels, almost all of his short stories, and two biographies. I always enjoyed his particular brand of gnostic mind-fuckery. 'A Scanner Darkly' just blew me away. I like Harlan Ellison's stuff too - though he doesn't just confine himse...

Yep - that Aquaria. Apparently, she had a habit of using the term 'creotard', and SG kept needling her about it for being 'ableist'. Was too much for the poor ~~internet warrior~~ dear.

Addendum: no idea what TM is, though.

I'm not following. Who is Ixchel? Who is SG? What is TZTs? Who is TM? What is TET*? please help the blond. Ixchel is a regular commentator on the baboon boards. He was previously nymed as 'Life is Like a Pitbull Without Lipstick' - and I'm guessing SG might have been a previous nym. He's recognisab...

An open letter to PZ. I suspect PZ is a little busy right now. He may not get around to reading your excellent letter. He has issued a reprimand to one of the horde who apparently in SJW (Social Justice Warrior) mode has cause a few to flounce recently including one who was apparently well loved: P...

The FfTB spew-crew are now in critical melt-down mode. They will now destroy themselves from within, of that I am confident. My job is done. Or perhaps change from within - hopefully for the better. There's currently an interesting discussion on Myers' Endless Thread thing; it seems one particular ...

Hmmm. Daniel Fincke has said that he'd prefer no insults on his blog, and certain of the baboons are already wah-waaaahing at being denied their asshole privileges: http://freethoughtblogs.com/camelswithhammers/2012/07/27/making-my-comments-rules-explicit-dont-bully-people-with-insulting-names-and-m...

Andrew Schlafly is America's (if not the world's) greatest satirist. That's the only possible explanation for Conservapedia. It is quite amazingly batshit insane. I read something on there once where they found some sort of correlation between atheism and...obesity, and I did have to wonder if it w...

real horrorshow wrote:
Tigzy wrote:And what conservapidea has to say about her can be dismissed, simply on the basis that...well, it's conservapidea.
Conserve vapid idea? They didn't think that through did they?

Par for the course, I'd say.

Guys, leave PZ's kids out of it. Agreed. After putting that post up, I immediately regretted it - it's just that the pic took me by enough surprise to offer the internet equivalent of a blurt. And what conservapidea has to say about her can be dismissed, simply on the basis that...well, it's conser...

@AndrewV69 Ah, 'Scot-Yah!' - I read it as 'Scat-Yeah'. 'Pologies for the crap joke and my bias in associating anything PZ does with shit. I wonder, in general, if native English speakers who first read her name pronounce it as 'Scat - gee'? Did a google on the name - as regards the 'animal love', al...

AndrewV69 wrote: His kids hate him?

I know I'd hate my parents if they named me something that sounded like 'Scat-Yeah!'

Audley Strange from Ratz gives PZ the keylashing from hell, and nails it: Re: So, PZ is a stone-cold racist. Postby Audley Strange Â» Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:07 pm pzmyers wrote:A nest of cockroaches isn't filthy and unhygienic. Turning on the light and exposing a nest of cockroaches...now that's evil a...

At Rationalia: PZ has requested his account be de-activated. http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=38391&start=105#p1227265 Brave sir Robin ran away... PZ yet again was a giant asshole on this issue. Based on one comment, he rushed blindly to conclusion and given the weight that he still...

PZ at Ratz: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=38391&start=30#p1226931 I really, really recommend that you read Audley Strange's comment carefully. My summary was dead on. He literally said that tasteless, offensive jokes that attack a group aren't the problem, but that criticizing the...

PZs started commenting over at Ratz: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 1&start=15

Brownian probably typed each "privilege" individually. Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job. For some reason, the idea of a vein popping in Brownian brings to mind that scene from Alien, when Ash short-circuits and starts spraying spunky-milk fluid out of his tubes while going 'wibblewibblewibble'...

I think that vein which keeps throbbing in Brownian's temple has finally burst: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-412795

:lol:

From PZ thread: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/07/26/the-war-of-the-smug/comment-page-1/#comment-411787 If I do not respond to rape culture enablers, then I am giving my silent approval to rape jokes, misogyny, sexism and rape culture itself. Silence enables the rape culture. I suppose...

What do you do to help 'social justice', Myers? Bitch on a blog? Occasionally about 'social justice'? Well, from each according to their abilities. If thats the best you can do, then thats the best you can do. Oh perish the thought that they'd have to do something. That's for other, lesser , people...

disclaimer: i am a fucking leftist, but i am not arrogant nor idiotic enough to claim it as a logical consequence of skeptical thinking. I call horseshit. Likewise here. In fact, I have this FB acquaintance who's a right-winger with libertarian inclinations. We frequently squabble. Yet somehow, I c...

ReGreta ChristAlmightena on Twitter: @ATHEISTAGNOSTIC Your personal experience does not equal fact. I had to chuckle. :) What?? Would this be the same Greta Christina who is looking for personal experiences of racism in the atheist/skeptic community? The conversation here in my blog about racism in...

Philip1978 wrote: Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt :D

Would that be the 'Not A skepchick' one? :lol:

Though as far as Greta seems to be concerned, asking for proof is fine as long as you want to confirm your biases: http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2012/07/25/examples-of-racism-in-atheist-skeptical-communities/ Seems she's already decided that there is problem with racism in the Atheist/Skeptic co...

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Just snorted wine off my nose:

http://www.freethoughtblahgs.com/blogho ... omment-400

:lol:

Josh telling us that That a trans person can't ever ever say anything wrong, and how dar you suggest it: http://freethoughtblogs.com/wwjtd/2012/05/24/i-have-die-cis-scum-questions/#comment-61856 Josh being hetrophobic, combined with his standard argumentation style of zero substance http://freethou...

Hmmm. Touched a nerve there, I think. https://twitter.com/Felix3333/status/227900605497212929 Felix @RichSandersen @CLSkeptic Tigzy on "trophy rape victims" speaking on FTB: "deploying real suffering to serve a spurious agenda" #FTBullies Is Felix/Felix3333 the same FelixBC on the baboon boards? Who...

Benson. That kick. She just can't resist: Ophelia Benson says: July 24, 2012 at 5:07 pm Oh I know. James Onen has a new and very long post to say just that, among other things â€“ I saw it via a pingback. James Onen! Of Freethought Kampala! Thatâ€™s been possibly the most disappointing ex-friend in ...

The joyless mannequins of the baboon boards thirst for order. See how quick they are to pigeonhole, to categorize, to 'out' and identify those who they perceive to be their enemies. That which they cannot label and identify confounds them; therefore whatever label they hastily put on it just looks s...

Skeptchick site is working fine for me.

Justin - it looks to me that Silverman dashed this letter off as he would a memo. Interesting that Ophelia says there's more to come - I'd laugh my tits off if the Skepchicks somehow got the support of Richard Dawkins. Volte face , much? I'm curious as to what Watson must thinking, considering all r...

Ah - to be fair, Amy did mention the harassing t-shirts in the thread below: A lot of the online threats and harassment are anonymous, yes. But at TAM I dealt with a lot of real people who, while they never touched me, they did things like make fake Surly-Ramics necklaces with words on them that moc...

Silverman has done a "party political broadcast" which is being touted by the skepbabes et al. In it silverman says: "I see hatred and threats of violence directed at our sisters-in-arms to be reprehensible, serving no purpose other than to hurt and intimidate valuable allies." But where the fuck a...

Why cunt is good, and why they will never take it from us:

â€œYou fucking knew that fucking cunt would fuck some cunt.â€
â€• Irvine Welsh, Trainspotting

With regard to Osama Greg Laden's implication that he might yet have a future back FfTB in a couple of months time, it does remind me of (sorry non UK posters) Peter Mandelson's constant reappearance with the Labour Party after he was "forced to resign" after various scandals. He just kept coming b...

Badger3k wrote:Watching the Rationalia thread, where even after Pappa apologized, the baboons are still going at it...

I'm guessing that thread should start calming down a bit now that Myers latest missive contains more rape for the baboons to slather over.

FfTBs trophy rape victims. Very useful to wheel out in any discussion involving misogyny, skeptchicks and jokes. Establishes the fact that any dissenter is a heartless pig in the first place for not thinking of the triggering effect their dissent might have on FfTBs trophy rape victims. I don't buy...

I saw the list of Skepchicks that "A Hermit" posted - no wonder they are so fucked up. I can have sympathy for what they've been through, but that still doesn't give them the right to dictate their every whim to others. I had a student (teenager, mind) who had been raped and almost killed some year...

Tigzy wrote:
Skeeve wrote:Might be getting good at rationalia....PZ just logged in.
I'm exhausted. I should be sleeping. But...

/popcorn

Oh. He's fucked off. :cry:

Skeeve wrote:Might be getting good at rationalia....PZ just logged in.

I'm exhausted. I should be sleeping. But...

/popcorn

What?? So in her efforts to create a more welcoming atmosphere, Ophelia singles out one post by this Sally who disagrees with her, and proceeds to offer her email addy for all and sundry: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2012/07/what-amy-said/#comment-229789 Oh, and Ophelia suspects ...

Hope you obtained consent, otherwise you'd be Occam's raper. :D

Ah, I see what the tweeter did there. Fuckin Hell, that's clever.

Note to any lurking Pharyngulites: no, you cannot condemn this without being a hypocrite.

Oh fuck.

Now Ophelia's accusing Franc Hoggle of urging Amy to set herself on fire. http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... -amy-said/

:shock:

KiwiInOz wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote: https://twitter.com/#!/SallyStrange/med ... 2FYILltw2b
Oh noes. Next thing you know, she'll be on one of those Skepchick calenders and complaining about being objectified.

I didn't think they could be captured on film.

@Zazen. Indeed. Also, tachikoma's post above deconstructs it quite nicely.

I don't believe I've been accused yet by a baboon of showing my privilege (oops!); should it ever be levelled at me, I'd be very tempted to simply say, 'so fuckin what? Get over it.' :lol: would blow a fuse or two, I'd wager.

Justin: those Horse Pheathers tweets are a textbook example of Kafka-trapping The 'you can't understand because you're privileged' thing that the baboons have taken to spouting off about is such a fallacy it amazes me that even they can't see it: it's basically trying to foist something that can on...

Looked to me like Myers was conflating free speech with the right to freely deliver other people's personal details. Dunno if he was trying to make a rhetorical point here - certainly didn't work, as it just makes him look even more of a twunt.

Probably one of the best examples of question-begging/circular reasoning I have seen: You have more patience than I do. that is all. BTW, I have been watching the #ftbullies and IMO Sally Strange is heading for a meltdown. Not bloody surprised, considering the state of her in that twitpic. Poor gir...

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