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Shives went full SJW. Many suspect that his wife had something to do with it. Ah OK. It's alarming to think that one person can take away another's reasoning power so completely... Seems to me that the need for some kind of ideology and in-group support never really left him. Wonder how many ex-chr...

Sup steers. How you feelin', buddy? Shame about that non-Islam-motivated terrorist, huh? They said that about the Nice guy at first. I wouldn't be at all surprised if this one turns out to be a common or garden radicalized loon on further investigation. But on the general point, with Islam the prob...

Some insufferably vain twaddle from Laurie Penny re. Milo.

Got to say, it's at times like this I love you guys and am happy to have discovered the Pit. It feels so sane at times like this to be in a place where people can agree, disagree or agree to disagree, either civilly or with insults, but you get the sense that everyone's doing their best to focus on...

Got to say, it's at times like this I love you guys and am happy to have discovered the Pit. It feels so sane at times like this to be in a place where people can agree, disagree or agree to disagree, either civilly or with insults, but you get the sense that everyone's doing their best to focus on ...

Which is more likely? Neither, we have no information. Who they targeted, what's their background. It's skeptical to say "I don't know, I'll let the police to do their job". Oh I agree, but you can do that and also say what you think is more likely - i.e. you don't know , but you think it might be ...

Sky News doesn't seem to be following the self-censorship of the BBC. Some footage of the MacDonald's gunman starting to shoot.

http://news.sky.com/story/gunman-opens- ... s-10509867

CommanderTuvok wrote:Twitter is curiously amusing at the moment.

The entire regressive left are hoping the Munich shooter is a Brevik. The entire far right are hoping it is a Muslim.

Both sides already have their narrative and excuses set.

Which is more likely?

You know, I'm wondering if there's soon going to be actual censorship and banning of news related to Islamic terrorism. According to Sargon's recent Week in Stupid, Germany's just come down hard on a couple running a private Facebook group of 900 members that was complaining about Immigrant crime -...

It's all about equality of outcome vs. equality of treatment (with a parallel distinction re. the definition of "egalitarian"). You can't have both without contradiction. I agree with that distinction, and that there's a conflict of interest between them. I see aiming for equality of outcome as gua...

You know, I'm wondering if there's soon going to be actual censorship and banning of news related to Islamic terrorism. According to Sargon's recent Week in Stupid, Germany's just come down hard on a couple running a private Facebook group of 900 members that was complaining about Immigrant crime - ...

.... Only it's worse for white men, because it's unpopular to sympathize with us, and try to help us, in the ways that are popular for every other group or category of people who are popular targets of prejudices and cruelty. Or else white men are lucky to have been spared the kool-aid. I hope the ...

The good Sheriff telling it like it is re. BLM, to the consternation of a talking head. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/07/17/must_watch_sheriff_david_clarke_debates_cnns_don_lemon_about_black_lives_matter.html Good to watch Don Lemon get spanked like that, the guy is a total asshat mor...

The good Sheriff telling it like it is re. BLM, to the consternation of a talking head.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... atter.html

It's an interesting question, of how far down the rabbit hole do you go with this stuff? I started off as a socialist when I was a kid, up to being a young man. Ploughed through Das Kapital and everything, at one point seriously considered joining the CPGB (no half-measures for me :) ). But at some...

And yes, I realise I sound like a right-wing nutjob when I say that. But that's what it's come to. Ten years ago, I was living in peaceful bliss. Now I occasionally read Breitbart without feeling like I want to wretch. It's insane. It's an interesting question, of how far down the rabbit hole do yo...

.... I am getting to the point where I feel that this can only end in war between Islam and the Secular West, I wish we could get it over with. Does the same hold true for a civil war within the West? I'm not sure who falls on which side of the battle lines. But the battle line itself is the 'Kill ...

Reds exploiting Blacks : article from earlier this year on the many well-funded militant Left elements in BLM's organizational tree. As I said in an earlier post, it's typical that reasonable concerns are amplified into classical revolutionary agitation by such groups, and concerned citizens turned...

Lsuoma wrote:Fucking hell. I wonder if this was suppressed in part because of the possible effect on Brexit?

Nah, it was probably suppressed because of the great anti-Muslim backlash, which for some strange reason continues to go under-reported.

Because "BLM" is code. Yes, as with all intersectional identity politics, you have people with genuine concerns being hoodwinked into inadvertently bolstering the ideological narrative. IOW, you have large numbers of people thinking the movement is about "X is a concern" and marching in support of ...

I wouldn't say comics have always been liberal. I would use the term progressive. Comics were started by a bunch of New Dealers. Superman demanded better standards of police and citizens, Captain America was beating da fuck out of Hitler a year before America was pulled in to the world and Wonder W...

I wouldn't say comics have always been liberal. I would use the term progressive. Comics were started by a bunch of New Dealers. Superman demanded better standards of police and citizens, Captain America was beating da fuck out of Hitler a year before America was pulled in to the world and Wonder W...

Some articles re. statistics re. police killings: https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/02/08/black-and-unarmed-behind-the-numbers#.3dkJH2vwq http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myths-of-black-lives-matter-1455235686 http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-b...

Pretty clear from looking over Ruth Haydock's Patheos page that she's a former indoctrinated Christian who's now boldly shed all that superstitious shit in favour of being indoctrinated by social justice. I sometimes wonder if the atheists who went for Atheism+ and the like, the atheists who become...

Re. the Clinton thing, here's a vid juxtaposing Clinton's statements with the FBI's findings. It's interesting to see someone straight-up lying like this, in the sense of, now we know exactly what she looks like when she's lying. Weird. http://reason.com/reasontv/2016/07/05/hillary-clinton-vs-james-...

I haven't followed the Clinton thing all that closely, but didn't she lie about it at some point in the past? I mean, I thought she'd said there weren't any classified emails on her private system, that it was just all pictures of puppies and shit? I don't think this is going to stop here - it seems...

Even Steersman mentions that there are Muslims who "piss on the Quran" (i.e., in better terms, don't accept its literal meaning). No he doesn't. He says that anyone who does not interpret the Quran the way he does is not really a Muslim. That's one of the most popular tactics in anti-Muslim propaga...

I've done a 180 regarding christians. These days they get unfairly picked on by my fellow atheists and killed by the islamicist fuckheads, so I find myself defending them. My old arguments with them seem petty compared to my arguments with islam. This Dec, I'll even be saying "merry christmas" to e...

I've read some of that a few times and I am trying to have an open mind. The problem is that he went out of his way to seem creepy as shit. Here's a documentary with lots of victims offering testimony. I'm sure there are a few false accusations in the mix, it's the sort of thing that attracts crazi...

Blonde bombshell: Boris pulled out of the race for leadership of the Conservative party earlier today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqs6PuQrHbQ Apparently in view of recent comments (some article) by Boris, Michael Gove, his wingman during most of the campaign, has decided Boris is too wobbly to ...

My humble opinion is that the best way to fight in-group morality and out-group hostility is to cease treating people as parts of groups when you make moral choices. There's already a standard for implementing this "individual" morality: the Mill rule about acceptance of all different lifestyles an...

In 25 words or less, summarize Dr. Richard Carrier, PhD.'s scholarly research into, and findings on, the historicity of Jesus. The preponderance of evidence suggests that Jesus may originally have been a syncretic mythical figure who was historicized in the early 1st century AD. That pretty much co...

In 25 words or less, summarize Dr. Richard Carrier, PhD.'s scholarly research into, and findings on, the historicity of Jesus. The preponderance of evidence suggests that Jesus may originally have been a syncretic mythical figure who was historicized in the early 1st century AD. I would add that Ca...

I'm sure Damion would be happy to fill us in on the thorough research this excellent scholar used to arrive at this conclusion. Sure thing. Which paper are you looking at? In 25 words or less, summarize Dr. Richard Carrier, PhD.'s scholarly research into, and findings on, the historicity of Jesus. ...

Those Lefties must be really desperate to see a Trump landslide.

Nice article on Brexit (everyone seems to be bored with it now, and the hysteria's taking its natural course as people notice the sky hasn't fallen yet) from the ever-idiosyncratic Peter Hitchens. His first sentence nails it, I think:- "They shouldn't have tried to scare us". http://www.dailymail.co...

Seems like maybe Omar Mateen wasn't gay or closet gay after all. It could have just been some idiot making crap up to get attention (although there's still a slim chance it might not be). The FBI also found no evidence of gay contacts, or gay material on his laptop. http://hotair.com/archives/2016/0...

Atheism+: The Name for What's Happening to Richard Carrier "As a movement, Atheism+ bears remarkable similarity to the Soviet Union, which represent the only military alliance in recent history to invade exclusively other member states." https://www.allthink.com/1411309 Man, dat article. Fuck it, I...

While there's still a whiff of testosterone about, and the question of thug-confronting is hanging in the air, the most dangerous altercation I was involved in (only one of a few, I tend to avoid places where there's a chance of violence) was in Amsterdam. 4 of us (N., P., A. and me) walking through...

How much was the Leave vote in Britain a reaction against the SJW, liberal Left, refugee-hugging people of stereotype or reality? Any opinions? Was it a vote against political correctness? The interesting thing is how the polls beforehand indicated that it would be close, but that Remain would win....

“Virtue signalling” — as often levelled against SJWs is unfortunately a misleading concept. (Love the post) Perhaps we need to be clearer about two subtly different things that that have been called "virtue signalling" then. Virtue signalling proper, I'd say is when people on the periphery of the S...

When people talk about racial or group differences, to me it's silly in this way: as a white guy, I know that Asians are on average about as smarter than white people as white people are on average a bit smarter than black people. So what? Such a mere abstraction about a group has no bearing on any...

Do you suppose it is a coincidence that the majority of the fastest sprinters in the world happen to be descendants of a particular Kenyan tribe? There's absolutely no reason to think behavioural and intelligent traits aren't similarly distributed to particular populations. This, by the way Andrew,...

The only structure which seems to function (for all its flaws) is liberal democracy Great post and I agree with much of what you say (as usual :) ), but I'd just like to pick up on this, to emphasize something:- to the extent that liberal democracy works, I think it's because it's philosophically i...

Clever little graphic:-

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/Ckw0aBOXIAA5Ant.mp4

Welp, needing matchsticks, gotta go to bed.

I hope it's Leave, but it's all a great big thing, so even if it's Remain I'm sure debate and aftershocks will continue, which is good. Great day for democracy either way, blah blah, etc., etc.

The leave margin is edging up from ca. 0.5% to nearer 0.8% *hums* "Who Do You Think You Are Kidding Mr Hitler If You Think We're On The Run? We Are The Boys Who Will Stop Your Little Game We Are The Boys Who Will Make You Think Again 'Cause Who Do You Think You Are Kidding Mr Hitler If You Think Ol...

Salmond on the BBC saying they will be after another independene vote if Leave wins. LOL. That would make sense though, the results so far are showing quite a healthy majority for Leave in England, with a bizarrely huge margin for Remain in Northern Ireland and a moderate margin for Remain in Scotl...

<snip>She's quite Carrier-esque in some ways, or Carrier is quite Randian (wasn't he an Objectivist himself for a time?), and similar sorts of impressionable young sperglords seem to be prone to disappear down the rabbit hole of her philosophy. <snip> Yes he was. He was then soundly defeated in deb...

It gives me severe torsion of the testes to say that Ayn Rand may have been right about a few things in Atlas Shrugged. As I recall, the cardboard cutout leftists in the booker were too lazy or corrupt to achieve anything themselves, instead spending interminable pages living off handouts that they...

As someone who still likes some of what Carrier does on an intellectual level, I have a feeling he was Motte & Bailey-ed by the SJW movement. I think he's always genuinely cared about abuse, harrassment, oppression, racism, etc., and his only sin is probably just being unprofessional (maybe because ...

The thing is, Carrier's right that it basically amounts to none of our business what his proclivities are, what he gets up to, etc., so long as it's compos mentis minds being mutually consensual. That's absolutely correct. And although 18 is pushing it just for the sheer ick factor, if a woman's con...

This last paragraph pretty much sums it up. Of course they are so frightened of their own extremists (was going to say religious nutters) that they will agree with you in private but say something completely different in public to retain their standing in their community. As Hitchens pointed out lo...

I suspect the "mental illness" narrative will win the Progressive Stack Shuffle. It's what leads directly back to gun control and white men are eebil. Even despite his apparent phoned-in allegiance to ISIS and the apparent claim of responsibility from ISIS, unless it can be shown beyond doubt that t...

Yes, indeed. I think people are increasingly fed up with "authority figures" and "do-gooder" types lecturing them, and resorting to calling them racist, sexist, xenophobic, Islamophobic, transphobic, fatphobic, etc. if they disagree with them on any point of contention. There was another example la...

I mean, am I insane for actually wondering if this growing SJW shit is such a pressing problem that it supersedes everything else? No, you're not. I'm fairly convinced it's our version of the Great Filter. (It's all about memes and mind viruses. SJW-ism portends a sort of memetic "grey goo" - fores...

<snip> To put it another way, people who follow me because I promote vaping or leaving Europe are not getting horribly offended if I say feminists are idiots. I may have been guilty of putting people into boxes. It never works quite like that. Just out of curiosity: why do you support leaving the E...

People also disagree about the level of fairness required in society, from Marxists (equality of outcome) to social democrats (equality of opportunities) to centrist democrats (equality of rights and access to the market) to right-wing democrats (equality of rights) to purely right-wing traditional...

Two recent interviews with students at Seattle University (small Jesuit liberal arts university), asking what seem like some reasonable questions. The 1st one is from an NPR station, and the 2nd one is from a conservative group whose videos I wouldn't have sought out but saw when @CHSommers tweeted...

For example, you could also determine where someone was born and put them into two new categories of "northpeople" and "southpeople" referring to their hemispheres they were born. But what's the point? It tells you nothing useful. Well, it does if there are clusterings of broad psychological and so...

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