If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Australia seems to have some serious issues with freedom of the press, but it's still in the top 20 countries for press freedom according to the World Press Freedom Index. The problem isn't press freedom, but viewpoint diversity. With so few outlets, you can choose between the government funded Soc...

John D wrote: ↑Is Owen Benjamin just trolling here... or has he lost his fucking mind? I can't tell for sure.... but I think it is the later.

I wrote a fairly lengthy post that eaten by a wrong keyboard click. I don't read off the main thread much, and hardly at all on the weekends. You left out the issues with an independent press and the threats to journalistic investigations into corruption. Also the part about how power is concentrati...

I don't stick my dick in shit.

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote: ↑ He can always try the Robin Hood defense...

Isn't that Bryan Adams, not Ryan Adams?

Can't send her to Nauru any more.

Canadians should keep things in perspective, they don't have to choose between ScoMo and Shorten.

This is a fascinating article. Really makes it clear the problems that arise when an incompatible culture becomes dominant in institutions that are prepared to capitulate to it:
https://quillette.com/2019/02/10/public ... ty-secret/

I find it very difficult to appreciate abstracted expression. It too closely resembles madness. Moreover I firmly believe individualistic whimsy is the dividend of a strong social collective foundation. Civilisations fall when this balanced nexus is forgotten in favour of colour, movement and broke...

This is my white pill for the day:

I used to really hate Megan Murphy 20 years ago. She was one of the most extreme feminists of that era. Now she's saying its much more complicated than she thought.

AndrewV69 wrote: ↑ Sandals with socks ... I thought that was an English disease?

Pretty sure it's a Dutch thing.

Brianna Wu.

Oh good.

7m40s Ocasio-Cortez claims to be descended from 'Native People' It wouldn't surprise me if she was a mixture of Taino/Spanish like a pretty good proportion of people from Puerto Rico. She's very cute. You know that you are getting old when you consider a sexy young woman cute. She's got crazy eyes ...

Ladies and gentlemen, we finally got him:

It's hot and wet tonight, but not in the way I usually prefer.

Questions have been raised about how the nine-figure donation was spent and how tickets for the slate of exclusive events were allocated. So I guess the Russian thing didn’t pay dirt .... Yeah, about that... https://mobile.twitter.com/thehill/status/1092698354662858755 I am curious to know why Akhm...

Brive would probably find this video interesting:

Try peeing on your manager next time you see him.

John D wrote: ↑They will double down on SocJus, I agree.... and that's why they will lose in 2020. Why do you think they will increase their chances in 2020 if they go further left? This is a very dubious analysis.

Well, yeah. That's why I thought better of the left. I expected Trump to be a one term president.

Seems that Lauren Southern has understood there's more than one side to the European refugee crisis, but some of the comments are extremely upset with her about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlM-bkGg08I Not really. She is becoming more sophisticated. For this issue there is the macro argument...

Maybe the supernatural element is simply a result of time.

Talking of things being 'devoid of context' though - I think religion does not make much sense without including the supernatural. Also I think that liberal interpretations such as 'many paths to the same destination' are a modern interpretation not compatible with the traditions. I'm not sure I ag...

Kirbmarc wrote: ↑
Keating wrote: ↑ I've already said I was wrong for thinking higher of the left. What more do you want from me?
Nothing, I just want to make it clear WHY the left is not keen on self-reflection under Trump.

I'm sorry. I forgot how brilliant you are.

I've already said I was wrong for thinking higher of the left. What more do you want from me?

Meh, I think his proposal that killing babies after birth counts as abortion was the bigger problem. This is misleading, though. My point was if the right had any power in this domain, that would have been what brought him down, not the SocJus pet diversity issues. But getting your enemies to get r...

This is largely because Trump and the GOP have zero interest to cause a backlash against the SocJus. If anything they have every interest to feed into the SocJus controversies, to split apart the Democratic party. That's what happened with Al Franken, and to a lesser extent recently with Northam (a...

Kirbmarc wrote: ↑
Keating wrote: ↑Meh, I think his proposal that killing babies after birth counts as abortion was the bigger problem.
This is misleading, though.

My point was if the right had any power in this domain, that would have been what brought him down, not the SocJus pet diversity issues.

It has happened to some extent. Sam Harris, Brett Weinstein and Peter Boghossian have all launched some attacks against the excesses of social justice politics. It was really bad that Weinstein could only get time on Fox News. No one else would give him the time of day. That's a real problem given ...

Another day in Trump's America.

Honestly, the defeat of the FreeThoughtBlogs crowd seems like a pyrrhic victory to me in some sense. "Organized atheism" and "Skepticism" seem like they have more or less died out. There are still some proponents doing interesting things (Sam Harris, for instance) but its hard for me to regard eith...

And yeah, the Pit has been dying for a while. Most of SocJus could be attacked from the Left, but no one seems prepared to do that.

Kirbmarc wrote: ↑Today it's Northam and his blackface/hood photo, so screw him, tomorrow it might be someone who wrote than transwomen aren't real women.

Meh, I think his proposal that killing babies after birth counts as abortion was the bigger problem.

I rest my case.

There’s nothing personal here, I still appreciate your contribution when you actually engage. I just find the argument style you’ve been employing tedious. “Who is Peterson?” Kirb: “Think Deepak Chopra, wooiest of the woo.” Keating: Slight push back. Kirb: “Well, actually he’s probably smarter than ...

You were doing the humblest of humblebrags. This man is so wooish, I, Kirb, the great intellectual, can detect it immediately. I’m so good, that I could detect it even though Sam Harris, also an intellectual lightweight compared to me, couldn’t. You do that kind of argumentation lol the time. It’s t...

The one where Peterson defined "truth" in a very idiosyncratic way, as "what leads to an evolutionary advantage", which is a big misconception of how evolution operates, and of what truth is. That's what I thought you meant; so your usual "I'm so much smarter than everyone" schtick. That was litera...

Krib would probably find this follow up video interesting too:

But you only need to listen to Jordy-boy's interview with Sam Harriss to realize how confused and woo-ish his ideas are. Think Deepak Chopra on steroids. Which one? Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris have had at least 5 conversations. Even Harris clearly sees more there than you're attempting to dismis...

It's interesting that you support Kurdish women fighting against jihadists. I wonder if you'd be willing to admit Kurdish refugees to Australia. Or if they're too culturally different to be admitted in the cultural collective :bjarte: Australia has learned this lesson several times over, but appare...

Pretty interesting:

I don't know when some people are going to understand that Comey's announcement of the FBI investigation sunk Clinton. Comey accidentally put Trump in as POTUS. And other retcons are bordering on the insane. That whole business seems like an incredible own goal to me. It's quite clear that Clinton ...

Maybe that isn’t too surprising. The cultural milieu that early SocJus thinkers arose in where strongly Christian. Combine that with the early feminist movement, and the idea of removing the Patriarch from Christianity would have seemed natural.

Eh, I’m starting to wonder if SocJus is what you get if you remove God from Christianity. Human Rights is a profoundly Christian idea, andmost SocJus ideas are perversions of Christian doctrines. It’s also noteable that many Church communities have also been completely consumed by SocJus.

Post the video.

The Democrats are not being given immunity, they are just orders of magnitude less criminal than Republicans. The Republicans want to spin Trump's criminal scandals as the FBI becoming partisan, but the FBI and special council are doing exactly what they should do when faced with rampant criminalit...

The best lamb doesn't need anything rubbed in.

Eh, New Zealand lamb is better. On the other hand, that's probably because we export our best sheep to be tortured in the middle east.

My personal hope is that Trump and whoever else was involved will be prosecuted, and will spend the rest of their miserable lives in federal prison. That might have a catastrophic impact on the Republican party, but it is exactly the medicine our country needs. Gerald Ford was wrong to pardon Nixon...

Glad to hear that pitters health problems have been clearing up recently.

I was in Sydney over the weekend. I was surprised how much Koreantown has expanded from what I remember a few years ago. Maybe in a few years I'll enjoy going to Australiantown in Sydney.

I feel the same way about a boat of Somalians coming to Australia as I do about a boat of red-necked, gun-toting, Bible bashing Americans coming to Australia. It isn't about race, it's about culture.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxmIxYhVsAUapsg.jpg Lauren Southern's friend. Nothing to do with race. Alt-lite. It's all about cultural collectives actually. :bjarte: Not sure I understand your point here. I don't doubt that Molyneux is racist, but what he's saying in this tweet is a testable hypothes...

It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself -- anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnorma...

It's like a weighted arithmetic mean. The values are the weightings, the facts are the numbers being averaged. We may all agree on the facts, but because of the values we hold, come to completely different conclusions. Perfect knowledge of all possible facts would not change this outcome. It's why t...

Peterson's thought experiment seems fundamentally correct. There are just too many facts. Which facts you consider relevant to select and elevate are a reflection of the values you already hold. So, Sam Harris has it backwards. The facts (of interest) come from values, not the other way around. I me...

The longer the politics shit continues here, the more convinced I am that Sam Harris is simply wrong. His idea of a moral landscape and being able to generate a set values from pure reason (i.e. the world where every being suffers maximally is bad) is inherently flawed.

Take to a thread that is appropriately named.

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