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- Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:09 am
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Without contemporaneous diary entries, the accusations of someone named Ann Frank aren't going to be taken very seriously.
- Sun Sep 25, 2016 8:42 am
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I just noticed that Lauren Lane offered sex to Carrier in exchange for him writing her a letter of recommendation for grad school. Isn't that illegal? Or at the very least unethical? To me, this makes her the first victim of all this, even if it was self-inflicted. If that letter gets around, it's ...
- Sun Sep 25, 2016 8:26 am
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WMDKitty is all over the Friendly Athiest post, demonstrating a complete failure to grasp facts, reality, logic. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/09/24/dr-richard-carrier-has-sued-several-atheists-and-their-blogging-networks-on-charges-of-defamation/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=f...
- Sun Sep 25, 2016 8:24 am
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I kind of sense that PZ has been a little more circumspect about bluffing his way out of this one with Carrier, and it seems that is coming to pass. It's not that Carrier is a legal rock star or has any better a case than Shermer had, it's that Carrier knows how much they're relying on apathy and b...
- Sun Sep 25, 2016 8:15 am
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Plaintiff: Richard Carrier Defendant: FreethoughtBlogs Network, Paul Z Myers, Orbit, Stephanie Zvan, Skepticon, Inc., Lauren Lane and Amy Frank-Skiba Case Number: 2:2016cv00906 Filed: September 20, 2016 Court: Ohio Southern District Court Office: Columbus Office County: FRANKLIN Referring Judge: El...
- Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:24 am
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Wow. I did not predict this: http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/22/us/tulsa-officer-charged/
- Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:16 am
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that nobody's signing up for PZ's class who is aware of his online reputation, so any negative feedback he receives isn't going to be from people who came in with preconceived notions, as anyone who did know about him wouldn't be dumb enough to sign up for the cla...
- Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:11 am
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In other news: https://i.sli.mg/3jsMKq.jpg Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/541ubl/oc_this_is_what_blacklivesmatter_is_protesting/ Kind of a dirty trick to make the plot a rate per million perpetrators, when these plots are usually rates for the victim. People want to know ...
- Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:04 am
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The thing that pisses me off is the in-house editors. Not the policy itself. Ah. Yes. If they editing the art without the artist's consent or agreement, then that it very uncool. I sometimes have to deal with over-zealous copy editors (esp. at APA journals) who think it's OK to rewrite sentences AF...
- Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:55 am
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And he just confirmed he was asked to avoid sexy female figures. Some of his work was even edited by in-house artists. Somehow, that pisses me off. It's a totally reasonable business decision. Men out-number women at FNG by 10:1 or more at most game-shops, at least in the US. D&D is doing better, b...
- Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:25 am
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Google "Reversal of Fortune MTG" and then switch to image results.
If cis-het-male, check supply of Kleenex, first.
If cis-het-male, check supply of Kleenex, first.
- Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:11 am
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Note that if any of you actually get my previous joke/comment, you really need to find something better to do on Friday evenings.
- Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:03 am
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Saw that the SJW's are now tearing up the 'Majik" card game community. Mildly related: I know some people who have worked for Wizards of the Coast (publishers of MtG) doing art and design. About 2 years ago they told everyone in the greater art production pool (it's entirely freelance) that they mu...
- Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:40 am
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I assume that you saw this:Matt Cavanaugh wrote:I shared the poison male M&Ms tweet on FB under a complaint about the poison skittles, and was told that, while a woman may say such things, Trump fils' "Privilege" means he needs to "STFU".
- Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:22 am
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If I were Stephen Fry, then I wouldn't have com on ignore. After all, nothing says "gay and proud of it!" like being a fan of pro wrestling.Tigzy wrote:You're Stephen Fry, aren't you. Go on, admit it. I'm pretty sure you showed up at the Pit round about the time he fell foul of the SJW.
- Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:45 am
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That was hilarious. I knew that there was a good reason to take you off ignore.DaveDodo007 wrote:There's my fuck off, now where's my links?[/ quote]
Learn how the quote function works you spastic cunt.
- Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:42 am
- Forum: Past Misdeeds
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To me the question is "how can this cunt write about her kids like that?" it's "why would an editor approved this cunt writing about her kids like that?". Revealing that much about the medical conditions about children like that without their consent is child abuse. I hate it when people Facebook s...
- Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:04 am
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I just added this to your discussion with se habla stupidata, Matt: Given that most people who are neither "pure" male nor "pure" female (and note that I'm talking about biological sex) are either infertile or much less likely to produce viable offspring, I'm a bit confused as to why anyone would cl...
- Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:49 am
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Maybe you could do a paper on the psychology of modern news media, Billie. Funny you should say that. While it's not on the media, I just started the pilot experiments for a new project on whether people are more likely to produce false-alarm errors (i.e., responding when the stimulus is NOT a targ...
- Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:17 am
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The Tulsa shooting looks to be more complicated than reported by the BBC last night. Yes, the (black) guy who was shot by a (white) cop had his hands up at one point, but he wasn't doing what he was ordered to do. More important ... and this is what the BBC failed to mention ... he wasn't tazed unti...
- Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:59 pm
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You people giving com a hard time about wrestling need to watch this:
- Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:25 pm
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I only wish that I was Hmong like a Somali.
- Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:52 am
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Also, Islamist attack in St Cloud? Seriously, white bread St Cloud? Stuff has turned to ,um, mumble s word, mumble, if there really are islamists there. I have never been anti immigration before, but I find this frightening. I have family in the Twin cities. Full disclosure, I'm an immigrant myself...
- Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:56 am
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Wrong movie, dude. You're thinking of In Like Flynt (spelling?), instead of Last Tango.Matt Cavanaugh wrote:I thought it was brie. But brie doesn't work. Or so I heard. :whistle:
- Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:44 am
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I'd only see that movie if the other option was ELYSE ANDERS' ABORTION. In which Elyse turns seven tricks in one night then accuses all seven johns of being both the father of her baby and of raping her. Hugh Grant, in a cameo, gets off the hook by pointing out it was just a hand job and he paid he...
- Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:41 am
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But, but, but, Silverman has done great out-reach. He went to CPAC, for FSM's sake.
- Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:21 am
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Wait for more details. It's pretty easy to mis-hear "snack-bar" as "Akbar."Easy J wrote:Thank Allah. I was afraid that PZ had run into a group of born-agains at the mall that tried to give him the good news as he caught his breath at the food court.
- Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:42 pm
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http://nypost.com/2016/09/17/explosion-rocks-chelsea-in-new-york-city/ A dumpster blew up at 8:30 p.m. Saturday night in Chelsea, blowing out the lower windows of a 14-story residence for the blind. At least 26 suffered minor injuries from what may have been an explosive device, police sources told...
- Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:31 pm
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If you want to know what Trump COULD do: A. With an Executive Orders he could make things very uncomfortable for illegal immigrants. Where Obama granted amnesty, he could instead dictate total enforcement of current law. He could also revamp policies (with his appointees) at the Border Patrol, and ...
- Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:26 pm
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I'm glad that you weren't silly enough to claim that he has a track record of making good deals.Clarence wrote:The Art of the Deal was written for him because he had a REPUTATION for making good deals.
- Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:21 pm
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Not that you asked me, but I won't be voting for Trump. Primarily because his VP pick will be running the country while he is busy "making America great again" (this being one of two things he's ever stated that I actually believe). Pence is an anti-science nutjob who believes in his heart of heart...
- Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:40 pm
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First Latsot identifies as a "Social Justce Tank" Now I see Jadehawk has decided she's a "Social Justice Battle Mech" in her Twitter description. It is likely Nerd will sally forth from his pillow fort as a "SJW Baneblade" any moment now. Strange days. I think that this was started by Lauren Southe...
- Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:38 pm
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As I've pointed out before, if everyone has their own special preferred pronouns, then that's no different than the well-established practice of everyone having their own name. And so, I simply avoid using pronouns when referring to students. I just use their names. You would be surprised at how ea...
- Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:38 am
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There was a big debate in the primate literature a while ago about whether male Bonobos ever commit rape. I have no idea how it came out (as it were), but I know that it was a big deal. (Chimpanzees definitely commit rape.) The other fun thing was how mother Bonobos act as pimps [not a typo] for the...
- Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:10 am
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That's the thing about SJW culture. They don't really do policy. At all. In any direction. If you worked at a college or university in the US, you would know just how wrong is the above statement. When I try to put a positive spin on the shit I face every day (e.g., the new policy that faculty look...
- Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:33 am
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Oh, actually, it looks like Grace Hopper has taken over from Ada Lovelace as the woman who "invented the computer". I've seen a few people linking to articles like this as proof. Obviously a much better source than Wikipedia. They're erasing Alan Turing. That's homophobic. Along with Chinese from t...
- Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:31 am
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Yeah, living in the 20th Century is how you trail-Blaise computers.KenD wrote:Oh, actually, it looks like Grace Hopper has taken over from Ada Lovelace as the woman who "invented the computer". I've seen a few people linking to articles like this as proof.
- Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:24 am
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Miri neatly sums up the the challenges of educating youth these days. the classroom is not the place for exposure therapy and exposure therapy cannot proceed without informed consent and trigger warnings I wonder at what school Miri was trained in psychotherapy. I ask because one thing that can mak...
- Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:50 am
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There's definitely a distinction between people on "our side" who think of social justice as a good thing, but SJWs as being piss-poor representatives in that struggle, and people who think of "social justice" as itself a nonsense ideological term. My experience, when having any sort of discussion ...
- Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:34 am
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I wonder, teenagers already use lolspeak in spoken conversation, but how does one insert Tweets? My daughter says "hash-tag old person" to me at least once per day, usually when I fail to understand a meme, such as a reference to Harambe. I have a fun little app that can shut off internet access fr...
- Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:44 am
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My daughter says "hash-tag old person" to me at least once per day, usually when I fail to understand a meme, such as a reference to Harambe.feathers wrote:I wonder, teenagers already use lolspeak in spoken conversation, but how does one insert Tweets?
- Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:04 pm
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The short-sightedness of firing the cop for not "eliminating a threat" will be revealed if and when the next shooting occurs and the family of the victim sues for wrongful death. It can and probably will be argued that the firing of a cop for not shooting someone (in the past) created at atmosphere ...
- Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:54 am
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Cop Who Didn’t Shoot Black Man Fired for ‘Failing to Eliminate Threat’ http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/13/cop-who-didnt-shoot-black-man-fired-for Reading between the lines, they fired the cop who didn't shoot in order to maintain (or even augment) their defense of the cop who did shoot. If none of t...
- Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:07 pm
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So, my wife has good reason to believe that her grandmother was experimented upon as part of the MK Ultra program. Does anyone on the pit know of good resources for learning more about the program -- specifically, abot experiments conducted on students at Syracuse University? My flippant, asshole a...
- Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:14 am
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Your Congress would do well re-evaluating Congress. I'll settle for ANY BRANCH of the government re-evaluating the other branches. Right now , that ain't happening. And the Presidency keeps getting more and more power. Trump will end that as both sides of aisle conceivably won't be able to stand hi...
- Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:14 pm
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Is "can a political party change its nominee after the convention?" trending on google yet? The average person really does not get that despite consisting of a large proportion of elected officials, political parties are not arms of the government and can make their own rules. That's true, but they...
- Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:38 pm
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Is "can a political party change its nominee after the convention?" trending on google yet?
- Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:47 pm
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The prefix "cal" means "beautiful." With this in mind, if you don't approve of the smell of Calgary, I advise you to never visit a certain city in northern Indiana. I'm actually going to be going through northern Indiana. What city? Well, if you delete what I'm calling a prefix from Calgary, you ge...
- Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:04 pm
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While I find speculation on Clinton's health to be a bit silly, the fact that she used her ill health as an excuse in the past....
- Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:09 pm
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The prefix "cal" means "beautiful." With this in mind, if you don't approve of the smell of Calgary, I advise you to never visit a certain city in northern Indiana.katamari Damassi wrote:Also, Calgary smells bad.
- Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:05 pm
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That's my wife's view. Of all the people running for Pres or VP, Kaine is the best, so vote for Hillary and then hope for another blood-clot (or poetic justice for Vince Foster, if you wish).katamari Damassi wrote:I'm not concerned with Hillary's health. I like Tim Kaine.
- Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:33 am
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What's the capital of Assyria? What's the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow? I think that this was answered a few days ago when someone posted a link to an ezine article. The average was something like 28 mph with a maximum speed of 43 mph. And I don't see how spitting vs swallowing would ma...
- Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:15 am
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Given that I currently plan to vote for Johnson and have brought him up here as an alternative many times.... Ah, fuck it. It's just com.
- Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:34 am
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So, ity really does seem like Hillary has health problems, but what does that actually mean? I can't see any Hillary supporters switching their vote to Trump just because of this. They'd be happy with a wheelchair-bound Hillary rather than Trumps. You can always vote for the guy who can't find Alep...
- Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:32 am
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Agreed. And anyone who brings up her cerebral stroke (which she used as her excuse for not remembering the briefing she received on the handling of classified information) is ableist, not to mention a HIPAA violator.Really? wrote:But she's totally fine. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a sexist.
- Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:14 am
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My favorite flat-earth story is the one that includes a complete misunderstanding of general relativity. The claim is that the earth is flat, but that the mass of the core bends space around it.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:My brother and his wife met a 16 years old flat-earther. And he wasn't American!
O_o
- Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:25 pm
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Hear! Hear!Shatterface wrote:What are you lot blathering on about? Why terraform Venus? It's a jungle planet already. Doesn't anyone read Edgar Rice Burroughs anymore?
You'll be saying Mars in uninhabitable next. Bullshit - who built the canals?
I, for one, am moving to Gor.
- Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:00 am
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Several groups of people (not all in Minnesota) were playing what were, in effect, RPGs in the 1960s, but D&D was the first to be packaged and sold. At least, no-one has ever come forward with an example that pre-dates D&D.
- Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:42 am
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A picture of Cerebus can kill the Pit?
- Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:19 am
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In case you hadn't noticed it, it's been some time since Christianity has attempted to impose a theocracy. And the US Constitution more or less precludes it. Part of the warp and woof of Islam, bred in the bone. You're trying, somewhat desperately by the look of it, to compare apples and aardvarks....