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They didn't remove him for harassment (an ongoing process which requires multiple attempts) but rather for a one-off attempt at initiating a sexual encounter. Harassment has a specific meaning, in law and policy. It was multiple attempts. Carrier "confessed" and "apologized" for touching some woman...

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d4m10n wrote:
Billie from Ockham wrote:There are two ways that you could be so sure that Elevator Guy actually exists. And I really doubt that you're a Becky Watson sock.
Never been to Ireland.
I dispute that. Ergo, you have been there. Hell, you're probably there now.

I wish.

No this is an important point that seems to be getting overlooked a lot. SSA groups are all independent and are allowed to invite whoever they want to speak. He broke the rule and was removed from their speaker's list. https://secularstudents.org/speakers/listing That is an interesting point. What ...

The SSA is stating that they have a zero tolerance policy and he has been off the list, but he clearly has been speaking at three SSA events since thing. The SSA is either hugely incompetent, or feeding the public a line of BS. No this is an important point that seems to be getting overlooked a lot...

Much like the original elevator guy, Rick made a pass at someone whom he ought to have treated platonically. Unlike the case with EG, though, there was clear policy guidance already in place. Now it's up to the SSA to clarify why he is still allowed to speak at their events. There are two ways that...

No this is an important point that seems to be getting overlooked a lot. SSA groups are all independent and are allowed to invite whoever they want to speak. He broke the rule and was removed from their speaker's list. https://secularstudents.org/speakers/listing That is an interesting point. What ...

Brive1987 wrote:And it wasn't the same conference. Different states.

Which one was the SSA conference where he layer admitted to trying to fuck college girls?

Look what Carrier said just this week about his student-fucking policy, bolding mine : So the SSA didn’t have to pick sides in a dispute. There wasn’t any dispute. I did not challenge the complaint (believing it to be describing the only actual incident it could possibly have been describing). And ...

You can tell it's an SJW-style witch hunt because people are just making things up out of whole cloth, such as "46 yo PUA volunteering for a summer camp with 18 yo counselors" and then hyperventilating about it. Bring on the fainting couches. Let's see. * "46 yo" - Easy to confirm. Probably correct...

I can't help but see the case against Carrier as conjecture and gut feeling about many unrelated things. Some anger about nepotism. Some about his oblivious poly boasting and schadenfreude. Some concern about the PR for atheism (after all those great years!). The hoisting with their own petard wish...

I can't help but see the case against Carrier as conjecture and gut feeling about many unrelated things. Some anger about nepotism. Some about his oblivious poly boasting and schadenfreude. Some concern about the PR for atheism (after all those great years!). The hoisting with their own petard wish...

JT Everhard is such a diminutive manlet, using him as the poster-boy for a "power differential" between a conference speaker & some undergrad he screws-- backfires. JT's victim would have to be so easily razzle-dazzled, that she shouldn't be allowed to cross the street without holding a grown-up's ...

The policy has been in existence since at least 2012. Carrier wrote a whole blog post whining about not being allowed to pickup women as an invited speaker. I linked part of it my post up the page. It is linked in his current ' Regarding ' post. You'll have to go looking for it, I'm on my iPad and ...

Which particular part of that narrative is wrong, Billie? It seems likely to me that the "zero tolerance" policy didn't emerge until later, after SSA got some pushback. Sorry. I won't play your game. Do your own homework (which might only require that you read this thread) on the timing of the poli...

Which particular part of that narrative is wrong, Billie? It seems likely to me that the "zero tolerance" policy didn't emerge until later, after SSA got some pushback. The policy has been in existence since at least 2012. Carrier wrote a whole blog post whining about not being allowed to pickup wo...

Which particular part of that narrative is wrong, Billie? It seems likely to me that the "zero tolerance" policy didn't emerge until later, after SSA got some pushback.

Fair cop. His earlier post "Doing Wrong Right" certainly does not give one the impression that the sponsoring organization (SSA) had a zero tolerance policy and intended to strictly enforce it. His later post does. I might go ask in the relevant FB thread. Please don't put yourself out. Plus, the P...

It's not a frenzy. Carrier has made it clear that he thinks no-fraternization policies don't apply to him. He frankly admitted that the SSA policy does apply to him: First, someone who oversaw my pass reported it as a complaint to the sponsor (as right they should have). The sponsor then privately ...

It's not a frenzy. Carrier has made it clear that he thinks no-fraternization policies don't apply to him. He frankly admitted that the SSA policy does apply to him: First, someone who oversaw my pass reported it as a complaint to the sponsor (as right they should have). The sponsor then privately ...

Really? wrote:We argued against extra harassment rules and we lost.

I argued against stupid harassment rules. SSA policy against featured speakers hooking up with or even propositioning undergraduate students isn't a bad policy, it's a necessary one.

If I'm following these are undisputed facts: Carrier was banned from the SSA for sexually harassing/inappropriately touching a student. After this ban he was still presented as an official speaker at at least one SSA event. He disputes those facts in his post about Amy's accusations. I did not touc...

So, 2012?

You sit back and explain how it's a witch hunt, son, or my guess is you're about to go on a whole bunch of ignore lists. Heavens forfend, not the ignore lists. You can tell it's an SJW-style witch hunt because people are just making things up out of while cloth, such as "46 yo PUA volunteering for ...

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe Carrier really did try to get with teenage girls at summer camp. But that sort of serious accusation needs to be proven, not merely insinuated on the internet.

You sit back and explain how it's a witch hunt, son, or my guess is you're about to go on a whole bunch of ignore lists. Heavens forfend, not the ignore lists. You can tell it's an SJW-style witch hunt because people are just making things up out of while cloth, such as "46 yo PUA volunteering for ...

College students and high school students aren't in the same category. What exactly is your difficultly understanding this, other than an emotional repulsion towards the man in question? Apparently, Damion is down with a 46 yo man hitting on 18 yo college students, even a 46 yo PUA who has used his...

Why don't you tell me why a 17 yo would be exempt, given that Carrier himself has not exempted them? Camp Quest West is in California, age of consent is 18. You seem to be imagining a possible world in which Carrier visits other camps and then violates their stated policies. That could happen, but ...

I don't care about his relationship with Amanda. As to CQ West, I'm not all that worried. I don't expect he'll be making another appearance.

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He hasn't stated any difference in college students and high school students, why would you? My daughter is a college student, and she's 15. Answer the question, Damion. Answer it truly and you'll understand why I'm repulsed by Carrier. One of the reasons, anyway. He never mentioned high school stu...

I don't think we're panicking, morally or otherwise. There are holes in the story. They are being filled in. These holes exude a stench of hypocrisy and slime. If you have a problem, why not address specifics? Specifically speaking, where did you get the idea that Carrier has been courting minors? ...

No one has been credibly accused of trying to fuck 17-y.o.'s I thought SJWs were the ones who confabulated moral panic from thin factual bases. I don't think we're panicking, morally or otherwise. There are holes in the story. They are being filled in. These holes exude a stench of hypocrisy and sl...

Yeah... it is probably a bit like Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts. My wife and I were active in Girl Scouts for years, and I think we did the best we could... open to everyone and building a sisterhood. I even know some Boy Scout troops wear half the kids where gay... and they were good troops. But... if...

So close to making sense. You mean seem a Camp Quest while it is going on? Skeptickle sent a son there. As to the rest, pay attention. We are discussing specific actions, not the camp quest ethos as a whole. As long as you're able to see the difference, I suppose. Seen a few people who want to burn...

The orgs have chosen Greta over Sam Harris. Miri over Richard Dawkins. Fallon Fox over Daniel Dennett. Identity politics over atheism or skepticism. Skepticon is the only organization that actually fits this description. The Reason Rally invited known shitlords such as Dawkins, Krauss, and Rubin. A...

All this bagging on Camp Quest. I'm guessing no one here has ever seen one in action. So close to making sense. You mean seem a Camp Quest while it is going on? Skeptickle sent a son there. As to the rest, pay attention. We are discussing specific actions, not the camp quest ethos as a whole. As lo...

All this bagging on Camp Quest. I'm guessing no one here has ever seen one in action.

HunnyBunny wrote:OOps, got that wrong, it's the husband that is the ED of SSA.

One can never reasonably expect an ED to stand uprightly with manly firmness.

https://twitter.com/AngryAsAllFuck/status/743543345000103936 Well-meaning people don't seem to get it. While it's possible that Carrier has done nothing... That's not possible, if we are to believe his own words from How to do Wrong Right , in which he explains why he parted ways with the SSA speak...

https://twitter.com/AngryAsAllFuck/status/743543345000103936 Well-meaning people don't seem to get it. While it's possible that Carrier has done nothing... That's not possible, if we are to believe his own words from How to do Wrong Right , in which he explains why he parted ways with the SSA speak...

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rayshul wrote:I don't understand how "being creepy and weird" suddenly turned into "rapist".
Right around 7 hours ago, when Tim Branin weighed in.

http://archive.is/Hk3DL

Whoops, that was when, not how. The how part was by leveraging Schrödinger's rapist allegations and blackout drunk memory erasure.

rayshul wrote:I don't understand how "being creepy and weird" suddenly turned into "rapist".

Right around 7 hours ago, when Tim Branin weighed in.

http://archive.is/Hk3DL

I'm voting for David Fitzgerald. He's an upstanding social justice ally who always gets his freak on. Must've rubbed someone the wrong way, given the sensitivity threshold.

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One last binaural hearing post for DaveDodo...

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Happy to answer any questions.

Please Dave, read the relevant wiki. It's fairly helpful: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-re ... r_function

Notice that swapping ears leads to confusion, because any given biological neural network is trained for a specific HRTF.

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The ear in and of itself is just collecting and amplifying the sound. No. The shape of the ear is adding unique sonic distortions which allow the brain to differentiate elevations, and to a lesser extent front/back direction. Try modeling the entire human head-related transfer function sometime. Se...

Where can we find this authoritative definition, Billie?

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That would be just the auditory part of the brain which can detect time differences that the sound reaches your ears. The ear itself just collects and amplifies the sound. Whichever way your ears were facing the only time you would have a problem is that the noise was equidistant from both ears whe...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-re ... r_function

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How did i misunderstand it, if you swap your ears around you will not mistake a noise in front of you as coming from behind you. You do know that he was talking about swapping the pinnae (as in: the thing on the side of your head), not the inner ear parts that transduce sound, yes? Heck, with you I...

Just here to remind every one that Trump has zero chance of winning the presidency. I agree, but then again, I'd've said the same about the nomination. Surely the GOP isn't stupid enough to hand the reins to an obviously unstable narcissist, right? Surely they have some establishment safety mechani...

As others have pointed out, guilt and projection might factor in as well. They may look at themselves and see their inner sleaze and feel certain that every other male has that sleaze as well. It would certainly be ironic if all the problematic evil menz that they panic about were the ones agreeing...

PZ offers us some Historian's fallacy with some confirmation bias and a little bit of inability to evaluate the truth of a claim because of an inability to look beyond one's friends for information. If the #ReasonRally failed, why were so many people happy to have attended? As expected, Thunderf00t...

I am with you on that Service Dog article . Your issue posed an interesting question that I had not seen discussed before. And the law is funky in that what seems right isn't always how the law works. I must have missed this - do you have a link to the post? Here's the link: http://springutlaw.com/...

Operation Missing Stair continues apace, as a third accusation has been posted. So far it's been fairly haphazard, but I expect that eventually all the various accusations will be sorted and organized in an accessible format. I humbly suggest top trumps.

Aneris wrote:This all so 2013. With Vacula going places (howdy, good report), Mykeru doing his eccentric thing and Ashley Miller, Greta Christina and Steffie Zvan doing their usual thing.

All we need now is a "More Will Be Named" anonymous Tumblr, a place where accusations can be completely unaccountable.

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