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I see why John & Matt call you 'troll'. You're not shattering that label, today. John's correct to judge... that the effort of engaging with-you doesn't meet his threshold of reward. By that standard, it doesn't-matter if your fighting-dirty style of argumentation is intentional-trolling/ or an uni...

Keating wrote: ↑ The entirety of government response primarily benefit the middle and upper classes, while further taking from the less well off. That was my claim.

This we can agree on.

The case remains that you claim a meaningful distinction exists between oppositon to coercion and opposition to vaccines, and yet make posts critical of vaccines per se nonstop. Show where Service Dog has been critical of vaccines, plural, as opposed to the mRNA therapeutic in particular. Else retr...

You are literally arguing that-- because the QAnon Shaman is a Trump-supporter... Every Trump Supporter Is Effectively The QAnon Shaman. I made no such argument. Don't put words in my mouth. The point of bringing him up was to show that his demographic -- once associated with the left -- has now fl...

Eh, for this vaccine I'd say it makes sense for everyone over 50 to get it unless they have exceptional circumstances. On the other hand, no one under 25 should get it unless they have exceptional circumstances. For everyone in the middle it should depend on their personal circumstances. That's wha...

SO… what I wanna know is… what are we arguing-about? Namely, ROBOKiTTY, do you even DISPUTE the Premise — that Trudeau & Biden & the Covid Orthodoxy Regime (Big Pharma, Big Tech, ‘mainstream’ newspapers & tv-news, etc.) — have inaccurately-characterized the opponents of coercion… using the generali...

Just after posting - I realised what a loaded question it was. And then you brought up health issues in your reply. All, in all you are probably not 100% human (depending on what is being referred to as 'you'). [Kurzgesacht video] We all have mitochondria in us, and those still have distinct DNA, a...

OK, I'll start... What % human are you currently - and has it changed since you began posting? I'm 100% human and have always been. But I've long felt pretty fed up with the genetic hand I was dealt and wanted nothing to do with it in some kind of futurist/transhumanist fashion. Imagine having life...

You're fabricating a phony victim narrative. The pitters you're deeming abuse-victims -- were treated no-worse... than the way they treated the pitters you're-calling abusers. I'll admit there's some exasperation there, so consider it an exaggeration for rhetorical effect. I'm not saying you're abu...

Done with Kitty. Will never reply again. No point discussing complex topics with a troll. You all have fun with this ignorant twat if you enjoy that sort of thing. Done with? You've done nothing but hurl abuse and insults this entire time. You haven't tried "discussing complex topics" at all. Over ...

Two of you instantly dismiss contrary thought as trolling, and you complain about me pointing out that you vandalized this forum into an echo chamber and just abused dissenters until they left or no longer care to put up with this tiresome conspiracy theorizing. You insist that being anti-coercion i...

and who shows up as the real heroes of freedom. Fucking Canadian truck drivers. (mind blow! boom!) Now I am a fan of truck drivers instead of Sam Harris. Yeah.... fuck Sam Harris. Haha. https://cantruck.ca/statement-by-canadian-trucking-alliance-president-on-ottawa-protests/ While a number of Canad...

From where I'm sitting, it's not WEIT and all the atheist communities that went off the rails, but you who radicalized. Four years ago, the idea of vaccines being mandatory if you want to go to school or cross borders was uncontroversial. Now it's suddenly tyranny to want people to gain immunity wit...

It says 公知 "Intellectual" on the forehead of the brain-dead zombie-army puppet. More specifically, it says Gōngzhī, which Wiktionary will tell you is "derisive". Gōngzhī is abbreviated slang for " gong gong zhi shi fenzi". It's a play on words. Those syllables Gong and Zhi literally mean "mandarin"...

Don't really get why I'm accused of being a troll. I have posted some unpopular opinions and written things that defied the apparent consensus. At most you could call me a contrarian, or a crank if you like. This forum used to be about calling out bad behaviour in the secular, anti-theist community....

So like, what happened to this place? There used to be interesting dialogue here. Now it's turned into an echo chamber.

All those tendencies aren't simply "western", either. I find the distinction between "west" and "east" to be nebulous and vague. Cultural differences are more specific than "east vs. west": for example islam shares much more culturally wise with christianity than with Indian or Chinese beliefs, so ...

You could have just said you have never read a book on the subject. But even if you had, you would need to read the right books, as according to the respected authorities such as Professor Richard English, most of them are tripe. This is largely because they are written by journalists who at best o...

That's why I don't like to call liberal democratic values "western values". They're not "western", no more than science is "western science". The thinkers and philosophers who formulated them (Voltaire, Locke, Mill, Beccaria, Jefferson, etc.) were mostly Western European or descendants of Western E...

And you might recollect some earlier Canadian history, particularly the tale of Jean de Brébeuf , a French Jesuit priest: Brebeuf journeyed to the area around what is now Midland, Ontario and preached to the Huron people of that area. In 1649 an Iroquois raid on a Huron village captured de Brébeuf,...

Abraham Lincoln : How many legs does a dog have if you call his tail a leg? Four. Saying that a tail is a leg doesn't make it a leg. <snip tangent> Just because some one or some country claims an "identity" as such and such doesn't mean they possess the attribute that defines the relevant term. Ind...

After my whole family narrowly missing getting blown up in 1983 while on trip to Harrods, I decided to understand why people wanted to kill me. I started studying the subject in the mid 1980s while I was still at school. This lead me to study the development of military strategies and asymmetric wa...

Given new information and some contemplation, I retract my earlier advice to johnself, or at least the contentious bits.

Not really the same kettles of fish. Just because one word has gotten a "bad rep" doesn't mean that all which have a such a reputation have it with justification. And you still haven't indicated whether you read the first linked article on fasces. You might wish to first reflect on another of Harri...

:lol: I wonder, did you even bother to read any of the linked article? But you might note and consider this quote from the linked article on fascism itself: "Professor Richard Griffiths of the University of Wales[63] wrote in 2005 that 'fascism' is the 'most misused, and over-used word, of our time...

My bias should be clear from posts I've made in the past. I don't believe in the sanctity of monogamy. Therefore, I almost never consider 'infidelity' per se (unless an explicit verbal or written contract was made) to be a deal-breaker. There's no evidence of malicious manipulation, except as imagin...

Steersman wrote: But somewhat apropos of which, while it is not a particularly popular position, one might argue that fascism gets somewhat of an unjustified bad press, at least considering the content of the root word, i.e., fasces.

:doh:

@johnself There's been a lot of advice and psychologizing on the board, but my advice is not to succumb to fundamental attribution error. You've known her for 8+ years, so you know her and the situation best. Although people on the outside may offer some insight, they necessarily do so from partial ...

You think you understand terrorism, I am afraid you don't. Look at the armchair expert. On what grounds can you claim to have a better understanding of terrorism? We only have a few options that will work. One is brutal suppression, collective punishments, kill their families, drop mustard gas on t...

Oh, we're FINE with taking in people with Western Values or who agree to take on Western Values. We just don't want people without them. That's what you say, but when we get into the details, exceptions start adding up. There's that wall Trump wants to build to keep Mexicans out, and on the other s...

I argued against intervention in Afghanistan and Iraq, so don't accuse me of being an imperialist warmonger. It is a little too late to withdraw from the Middle East now, and I'm certainly not going to stand by and say nothing while they bring the war to us. But by all means, make the argument that...

Robokitty: A book you maybe interested in reading that gives an interesting insight into the early interactions between the coastal aboriginal people and white people. Sort of interest to me because I made friends with some of the descendants of the tribe mentioned in the book and visited the winte...

In 1941, 38,142 Americans died in motor accidents, compared to only 2,403 who died in the attack on Pearl Harbour. Makes you think doesn't it? There are marked differences. The deaths from terrorism in the west in most years have been aggregate numbers, with each incident being relatively minor in ...

I'll readily agree that they're values that should be considered as universal. But a bit of a leap from that to insisting that they are in fact universal - article of faith, methinks. You might note Sam Harris' somewhat sardonic comment thereon: https://twitter.com/SamHarrisOrg/status/8116597435591...

DaveDodo007 wrote:fuck freedom and sign me up.

Conservatism in a nutshell.

Given that the lives of those in indigenous cultures were more "nasty, brutal, and short" than not, and that Western culture in the form of human rights and the scientific method has done far more than they've ever done to rectify that situation for the most number of people, I'd say that the thesi...

Since you're Canadian, ill had a counter-intuitive fact. When im talking about government, im strictly talking about the province, not the Federal. I mean we don't see them as innocent, far from that, but for those events they get way lesser hate than the Duplessis administration and the catholic c...

How much contact have you had with aboriginal people have you had? Are you in league with Caine to turn Turtle Island back to its rightful owners? I've had a bit. Some as an academic doing fieldwork, and some at urban homeless shelters while I was with a charity that works with homeless people. I'm...

Here in Quebec while the indian residential school system tragedy happened, someting very similar was happening to many white French Canadian orphans, handicapped and mentally ill children as well. For example, in an era where we were extremely devout catholic and where the church was the utmost au...

And of course, all of the ills and problems of aboriginal culture and the reserve system can be laid at the doorstep of that system? GMAFB. No doubt it was deeply flawed, but you might try reading the article without your rose-coloured glasses on, and note the periodic reference to things like "Ult...

:lol: Yea. One of the many things that peeve me - and many others; see "Our Home or Native Land?" by Melvin H. Smith, Q.C. even - is that many natives insist on a "have their cake and eat it too" type of policy. While one might reasonably argue that many North American natives have been victimized ...

So, the fucking cunt still has no idea that the Pit is just a pub, not a site dedicated to anything other than open conversation. Not surprising. Pub sounds about right. A boatload of cynical drunkards, a bunch of grumpy old geezers in the corner, a couple of poopslingers punching each other into a...

Sounds like you don't have a high opinion of their culture, but they did manage to survive for thousands of years up there and outlived the Greenland Vikings, who refused to eat fish or learn from the locals and died of starvation . You talk about there being no space for traditional lifestyles, bu...

I'm sure they miss the asphalted motorways, clean drinking water, heated tents, hospitals and abundance of dairy acquisition opportunities from their nomadic days. That's for them to decide, not for outsiders to go in and force on them. Besides, the overwhelmingly majority of Inuit are lactose-into...

So there were a couple of posts mocking the effort on some veterans' part to apologize to some natives over past wrongs. I suppose it's a meaningless gesture, but what's so wrong with that? The fact is natives in North America have been treated extremely shamefully, and not just in ancient times but...

So I'm currently back home for the holidays, and Twitter video definitely autoplays on this computer where no one has ever touched Twitter.

Fixing the video foobar for free thoughtpolice:
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We are visiting our puppy tomorrow before taking possession later in Jan. The expectation is he will look like this: http://i.imgur.com/SDbfHZ1.jpg With great doggo comes great responsibility. Please treat the doggo with love and care. It's really something one often doesn't realize until it's too ...

I was referring to the regressives, not you. Thinking that you can convince the western world not to worry about terrorism with rational thinking is... well it isn't rational, but it doesn't make you a Fifth Column. Fair enough. My bad for misinterpreting. The core elements of liberal democracy are...

My bad. I confused the problem with heavy level of pollution of Chinese cities and the bad reactions of the Chinese government to this issue with a general lack of effort on environmental issues in China. I should have checked, and for that I apologize. No need to apologize. The air pollutionin Chi...

VickyCaramel wrote: In effect, those that are downplaying the threat of Islam are a 5th column, giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

I'm downplaying the threat of Islamic terrorism, not Islam itself. But those who don't toe the party lines are just (racists|the Fifth Column), amirite?

The thing about terrorism is that it causes terror. Although the chances of being mowed down by a truck while doing xmas shopping is small, nobody wants to be be mowed down by a truck, so they think twice about going into the city for the day, they think twice before getting on a bus or train for f...

Whilst we on the right have our share of extremist nutbags they tend to get called out, punished or learn to keep their mouth shut. :liar: On the contrary, people on the right tend to play the individualist card and either pretend extremists on the right don't exist or call them socialists at the f...

Islamic terrorism denial is more prevalent than climate change denial, meanwhile we are given a load of bullshit about the efficacy of alternative energy. It could have a little more honest reporting and discussion about both subjects it would benefit western society. Denial? Almost all terror atta...

You're normally quite reasonable, but I fear Islam has become a blind spot for you. Really, the Middle East is only a matter of national security only because the west want to maintain their projection of power there for various reasons, many of them outdated Cold War-era goals. If the west just le...

Dunno why you felt the need to write the second paragraph. I would contest the last sentence (maybe it's a pedantic distinction to make). The Charleston shooting was just a few months ago. Certainly more white/black/Asian people are going to die in the near future because of certain people whose mi...

There's no big deal about "white genocide". The only big deal is that it shows evidence of SJW assholery/double standards. By the way there's no big deal about an imminent "black genocide" or "asian genocide" in the US, either. No Black or Asian person is going to die because some idiot no one's ev...

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Lsuoma wrote: So, no. Cool.
How is that not endorsing McCarthyism?

Perhaps just not the manner of endorsement that would necessitate administrative attention.

Oh, well, if people want to become the right-wing version of the SJWs they're free to do so. I thought all people here cared about liberal democratic values, but if Vox Day's insane rants about getting SJWs or even simply people you think are SJWs fired for their ideas are normalized as "part of th...

I honestly did not anticipate this day would bring about an unironic call for McCarthyism. On the pit no less. Explain? The FT might still have me on ignore, but here are the relevant quotes: [lattachment=0]Anticommunist_Literature_1950s.png[/lattachment] McCarthyism ended, now the media and univer...

So glad that they brought in a scientist. Non-scientists often get the facts wrong. Then I got to 4:40 and heard PZ say that "these [greenhouse] gases are largely generated from human sources." Since when does 4% qualify as "largely"? But asking a biologist to know about the sources of CO 2 is prob...

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