If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Lsuoma-

You're the best, thanks.

I love Sandra Day O'Connor's quote: Sandra Day Oâ€™Connor â€œI never did [call myself a feminist]. I care very much about women and their progress. I didnâ€™t go march in the streets, but when I was in the Arizona Legislature, one of the things that I did was to examine every single statute in the ...

Via Sara Mayhew's twitter feed, here's a link to a list of some horrible misogynists, who don't agree with the basic proposition that women are people:

"I'm not a feminist, but..."

EdwardGemmer wrote:I would say - judging feminism based on Melissa McEwan is like judging black people based on the homeless guy that stole your lawnmower.

except that civil rights leaders don't link approvingly to homeless lawnmower thief's blog.

Michael Shermer's latest SciAm piece , while it doesn't explicitly reference the Great Rift, seems strangely relevant. I'll just Ophelia a bit here: When you add an element of punishment for those who challenge the norm, pluralistic ignorance can transmogrify into purges, pogroms and repressive pol...

So everybody at B&W wants Nugent to shut down his comments because it's just so hurtful or something. While they continue the discussion over at her blog. I don't know why I'm still surprised at the craven hypocrisy of these people.

Garlic/Guest: "That's only 2 weeks after your period." Her words. Which period occurs 4 weeks after successful fertilization (2+4 = 6). Dude, it's twitter. She used "period" as a shorthand for "missed period". Yeah I'd figure that. FERTILIZATION DOES NOT GENERALLY HAPPEN DURING MENSTRUATION. It too...

I watched most of it, but honestly, I'm not that interested in the moral character of Anita Sarkeesian. I don't know her, she isn't watching my kids, she's not my neighbor, so I don't care if she once moderated someone's YouTube comment. Her video is good. That's it. I can't speak for her ethics or...

Let's see... Mario busts his hump just to scrounge a few coins. He gets shot by giant bullets and fireballs. He gets constantly harassed by flying turtle monsters while trying to avoid falling down bottomless pits, or getting caught in spinning flame thingies. From Mario's perspective, his entire wo...

Interesting video on Sarkeesian v. video games:

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part 1 is more about her general philosophy and is well worth a watch.

eric, calling everyone at this forum a shitstain is a hell of a lot more demeaning and dehumanizing than the liberal use of the "c" word around here. On a related note, for your benefit, let me explain why "cunt" isn't misogynistic. It's the same reason "dick" isn't misandric. For whatever reason, h...

Already proven false ... We'll never agree about whether dissenters are treated fairly there. That's a huge discussion that inevitably boils down to quote mining. There's no light at the end of that tunnel, and no, I'm not going to go back to Pharyngula and defend the pit, I'm not a pitter, I don't...

Look someone posted a video up thread and I watched it, and was inspired by it, posted to my FB wall in fact. So if anybody ever tells me again that the slymepit contains nothing of value, I'll argue that point. And it's clear many of you don't support the most egregious offences committed in the n...

Ok, um, Eucliwood is tweeting me asking about why s/h/it was banned. Exactly what the fuck happened? S/h/it wants me to ask lsuoma. I'm busy watching Shameless, damn it. Lsuoma from a couple pages back: Basically I discovered that someone with a very similar ID and very similar email address - way,...

Actually, I'm wrong about attributing that to PZ. One of those guys came up with the argument I cited during the a+ bs, and I can't remember who it was.

-Liberal values and policy positions, and only liberal values and policy positions, are logically required by atheism. I hope this comes from a poe. this has to be satire. No one can be this dumb. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: It paraphrases PZ Myers, as a matter of fact. So, yes, someone can be that dumb.

forgot the fucking quotation marks in the quote, sorry.

[quote=damion]Offhand, here are just a few possibilities for considerationâ€¦ Resolved: Strong sexual harassment policies are necessary for skeptical conferences to achieve their stated goals. Resolved: Sexual harassment policies are unlikely to be abused by conference organisers to further their ow...

And thats even ignoring the fact that it's pointless to try to debate with these dishonest leeches in the first place. Expose their greedy scheming to the world, don't legitimize it by sitting at their feet. It seems you and Cromwell are making roughly same argument against the utility of debate, a...

Is there anybody in the athi/skepto-sphere more dishonest than Adam Lee? Out of that list, Adam, how many of those things has Michael Shermer done? Zero. Yet you still called him a sexist. Here's my list of things I'd like to see Adam Lee stop doing, and it has the advantage of including things that...

BannedAid wrote: I would say have a little more faith in liberals. Listen to Obama. Listen to Jon Stewart. Listen to Hillary Clinton. Not a whiff of the radicalism you hear from FTB. American liberalism, at least, actually tends to be pretty moderate. I stopped listening to Citizen Radio after they...

... One modest suggestion for everyone here: if you are comfortable commenting in other venues and can do so without being an incredible douchebag, you should. At least, go and show support when a public figure sticks their neck out to stand up to this hatemongering dogshit that gets spewed by the ...

http://skepticink.com/justinvacula/2013/01/30/a-call-for-civil-discussion/ From the post: Lee Moore of the A-News Podcast has invited me to participate in a series of talks which aim to put a stop to the current in-fighting in the atheist/skeptic community. He writes, â€œâ€¦I am calling for represe...

Hey, guys. Just quickly: Israel has a right to exist as an independent nation. There were communities of Jews there before the nation was founded. Palestinians often left willingly and largely because of hatred of Jews and the concept of a Jewish nation being formed. Israel has been surrounded for ...

Pitchguest- You're completely whitewashing the role of Islamic antisemitism in all this. You want to make a catalog of all of Israel's sins, that's fine, but put it in the proper context. People have been fighting over that region since old testament times, and probably before that. Suffice it to s...

Pitchguest- You're completely whitewashing the role of Islamic antisemitism in all this. You want to make a catalog of all of Israel's sins, that's fine, but put it in the proper context. People have been fighting over that region since old testament times, and probably before that. Suffice it to s...

Damn but I'd love to see Karen and Ophelia debate, well, pretty much any resolution that they could agree upon to debate. If only some organisation created safe spaces for that sort of free inquiry. Ah, well. Maybe they can go on Reap's show. Second that. Of the few MRA's I've paid any attention to...

Pitchguest- You're completely whitewashing the role of Islamic antisemitism in all this. You want to make a catalog of all of Israel's sins, that's fine, but put it in the proper context. People have been fighting over that region since old testament times, and probably before that. Suffice it to sa...

When Palestine stops weening their kids on b.s. like Assud the Genocide Rabbit, then we can have a talk about Zionism.

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Apples wrote: Tone Policing! Stop erasing my anger and incomprehension. Get off my foot, you ableist fuck! Gaslighaahhhh.... *passes out*

:lol:

A question that's crossed my mind. Does PZ Myers ever attract groupies? (as in the kind of groupie attention a lead singer in a band would get) What kind of band? If we're talking about a mÃ¶tley crÃ¼e cover band that plays every other weekend at applebee's, then, yeah, I bet he's getting all kinds...

The more I read about the topic the more convinced I am that gender-equity feminism manifests a significant and decidedly problematic watershed in the movement. I took that to mean that feminism is at a crossroads; they can no longer ignore the divide between gender and equity feminism. Steersman c...

Steersman wrote:The more I read about the topic the more convinced I am that gender-equity feminism manifests a significant and decidedly problematic watershed in the movement.

I took that to mean that feminism is at a crossroads; they can no longer ignore the divide between gender and equity feminism.

Richard Carrier withdrew his intellectual artillery almost immediately after offering it, apologizing for his us vs. them defense of atheism+. Correction: The Dick keeps on defending his original stance, tooth and nail, lie & misdirection, strawman after strawman. Does he? I could've sworn he had a...

Could somebody who follows things fairly closely give a summary of the state of Atheism Plus? I don't go to FTB and don't get their tweets. But am I right in saying that those that promoted the idea are now keeping the forum at arms length? Has this new wave, new movement become just a forum with a...

re: the secular census bs- One of my closest friends in college and several years after was a woman who got her degree and worked in a STEM field. Conservatively, I'd guess that the gender split in her field was 80/20 m/f. She never complained about anything like sexual harassment or misogyny, but s...

Setting up nr-donation@slymepit.com email address. When I have the new PayPal account working I'll let people know. I was about to give a vote for codelette's awesome idea, and here you've already gone and started implementing it. I haven't been around long, but should've taken the opportunity soon...

Wait... why is Watson replying to Shermer's comments on Evo-Psych? She said she was only going after pop-evo-psych in her speech.

Oh yeah, she was totally lying about that. nm.

Dear Louis,

Your exit was a lot more graceful than your entrance, I'll give you that. Good way to avoid "Gotcha" responses: make better arguments that won't get got.

But thenâ€¦perspective. Step away from the smears and assaults and slime and look at the movement as a whole: look at the leading organizations of the godless. You know what youâ€™ll see? None of them support these loons. Theyâ€™re all progressive and committed to improving the diversity of the ath...

... And even if the topic had been so modified â€“ â€œwhy isnâ€™t the race split closer to 72-13?â€ â€“ the appropriateness or accuracy of the hypothetical answer â€“ â€œatheism, itâ€™s more of a white thingâ€ â€“ would hinge on how much evidence there was for variations â€œsubstantiallyâ€ diffe...

Jan Steen wrote:

Hey, join the queue. I asked him first.

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Something tells me we're going to be waiting for a while.

I'm going to ask you all a question now, a very simple one. Here is Michael Shermer (someone I admire and enjoy the works of very much) saying something that caused consternation: â€œItâ€™s who wants to stand up and talk about it, go on shows about it, go to conferences and speak about it, whoâ€™s ...

Q: what happens when you put a baby in a blender?

A: Dunno, I was too busy jerking off.

Oh, Dead Snow is great, too, SenorBeagle. Which reminds me: Troll Hunter (found footage, but not bad considering). Ok, I'm done.

So I've netflix instant queued it for watching later tonight, and wiki'd it and recognize who made it -- so it looks real good. On a sad note about Netflix and it's stock of movies, there is now, not a single James Bond movie available on Netflix. Like James Bond or not, it speaks to the problems N...

Coincidentally, just watched Iron Sky last night on Netflix. It is by far my favorite movie about a secret nazi moon base, and possibly the best movie ever made.

In other news, they are protecting themselves from boulders with umbrellas. I told you they were morons. Notice there are no men in the group: because all men are better off than all women! And it's gender war, didn't ya know? And a LGBT or ethnic minority man would mix up the gender feminism messa...

If you want to have a grown up discussion about things without treating me like I am somehow the All FtB Representative then wonderful, if not, then why criticise those people for doing exactly what you are doing? I'm not doing it. Deal with ME. The fact that some people "over there" do it and some...

another lurker wrote:
FTB is for the elite, only. That's the message I am getting. It's a private club!

Yep. I've been thinking the last few days that one of the catalysts of the rift is that some atheists felt the label wasn't quite exclusive enough for them anymore.

Pharyngula IS intimidating. Deliberately. This is a feature, not a bug. It's not for everyone. Intimidating isn't the right word. Exasperating, maybe? Nobody likes taking personal attacks/abuse over trivial disagreements. Reasonable people tend to avoid that kind of environment. Myers takes that av...

Thank you for transcribing that portion. I was really only joking but it was helpful. I think everyone is reading too much into this. The only reason DPR mentioned the Blog TV session was because of the joking from the others. The relevant part was how he felt Watson blew everything up and behaved ...

So I channeled my inner A-plusser (which I now see someone suggested) and did a quick transcript of the relevant portion. It's far from perfect. DPR: Well, I have remained mute about my opinions of Rebecca Watson because I do not like youtube drama. But listening in to the last 15-20 minutes of the ...

I apologize for my use of the word "twat" to describe Rebecca Watson. I meant to say "fame whore."

Not directly, but his version of events pokes a gigantic hole in the narrative. Well surely it outright contradicts it (since she was recording instead of being in the bar, and it was DPR Jones in the elevator, and no offer of coffee). But what's confusing is that he says that he knows who the alle...

I'm a little confused about DPRJones' remarks. Is he claiming that, since he was with her at the time, the elevator incident can't have occurred? I don't think so. More to show that she's crying crocodile tears about being asked up to someone's room. If only Elevator Guy had asked her back to his r...

I love how these FTB guys act so hurt any time someone makes a nazi reference, no matter how oblique, because Remember The Holocaust Victims! Bullshit. They don't care about the people the nazis killed, they just want to police language so that nobody can ever make an unfavorable analogy about them....

Considering that absolutely no one has actually proven that Shermerâ€™s â€œitâ€™s more of a guy thingâ€ qualifies as a sexist statement â€“ no more so than an observation that most of the people in prisons for violent crimes are overwhelmingly males by a 10:1 ratio â€“ yet virtually everyone â€“ a...

All righty then. Can someone please work either "lady-science" or, if that seems too forced, "lady science" into a comment at PZ, Zvan, or Benson's blogs at FtB, and report back on how it's received? Oh, for sure, they'd freak the flip out. I dunno, I guess Roth is growing on me. I thought I'd stic...

A halfhearted defense of Amy Roth's use of the phrase lady-science: I've noticed a trend in pop-culture recently (read: in watching Parks and Rec and 30 Rock episodes) towards using "lady" as an analog for "guy." Used instead of "woman" or, even worse to feminists, "girl," or the worst of the worst,...

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