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by fafnir
Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:53 am
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John D wrote: We should avoid using the normal distribution on data sets that are not normal. This will lead to mistakes in our conclusions… especially at the tails of the data. This is how we should use statistics… that is all. Over and out.

Is Steersman normally distributed? Inquiring minds want to know.
by fafnir
Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:12 pm
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Matt, In Tolkien, doesn't Morgoth torture a bunch of elves to make orcs? I suppose I could buy the woke as being descendents of Romantics that fell under the spell of Marx? I don't know though. Are we saying Robespierre was a Romantic? Lenin? Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive. But to be young wa...
by fafnir
Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:54 pm
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One might reasonably argue or suggest that Pinker has something of an overly rosy - if not "Romantic" - view on the Enlightenment and on many of the principles which undergird it. And the "Feelz B4 Realz" cohort likewise contribute to the problems we face. Interestingly, Sagan - Himself - emphasize...
by fafnir
Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:41 pm
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It's notable that scratch the surface of these enlightened rationalists and revealed are believers in predestination and a teleological universe. 'The Arc of History always bends towards...' and all that nonsense. The lauded March of Progress has been almost entirely in material objects, luxuries, ...
by fafnir
Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:01 am
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For what it is worth fafnir - I am in agreement with you. I am not sure why you engage with Steers who, IMHO, does not really engage in a dialog in good faith. He almost always argues a strawman... and puts words in other peoples mouths. Happy thanksgiving to all the Mericans out there! Best of the...
by fafnir
Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:13 am
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<snip> Again... Pinker. If it was 2002 his opinions might be relevant. An entirely unevidenced opinion. A couple of recent articles that suggest that you really don’t have much of a leg to stand on: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/29/book ... inker.html https://reason.com/video/2021/10/15/ste ... v...
by fafnir
Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:50 am
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<snip> Again... Pinker. If it was 2002 his opinions might be relevant. An entirely unevidenced opinion. A couple of recent articles that suggest that you really don’t have much of a leg to stand on: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/29/books/review-rationality-steven-pinker.html https://reason.com/vi...
by fafnir
Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:08 pm
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<snip> Seems more like a call to rectify that ignorance than to throw out the tool. It's not an issue of ignorance. You keep saying that – without providing any evidence except your say so. You seriously think that Sagan’s argument about the 97% of us who are “scientifically illiterate” has no bear...
by fafnir
Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:35 am
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Likewise with IQs, although that is more of a thorny issue, particularly since many tend to misinterpret the data or have an axe to grind. That pretty well describes every social issue where you might want to apply your normal distribution idea. Not sure what your point is there. Except to maybe un...
by fafnir
Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:59 pm
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For example, in this approximation below, there is 2.3% of the “female” population – nominally speaking – between the heights of 185 & 214 cm but 15.9% of the “male” population within it – about 7 times as great. Which may have some relevance to various social policies – the James Damore “incident”...
by fafnir
Fri Nov 19, 2021 4:15 pm
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John D wrote: oh... and Steers.... please suck my ass
Is this a standard deviation?
by fafnir
Fri Nov 19, 2021 2:34 pm
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.... Which of your claims require the sample to be normally distributed? :roll: That heights and agreeableness - and many other such traits - are normally distributed in the general population? At least when the measurements are partitioned or grouped by "sex"? :think: :roll: That isn't a claim tha...
by fafnir
Fri Nov 19, 2021 2:10 pm
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and let me say... and this is not addressed to Steers (as he is a pedantic fuck-wad) ... use of the normal distribution can be a very useful tool. But! It is often misapplied... as it is with IQ testing. I do not know why Steers is so stupid as to miss my argument. Perhaps he needs to balance his m...
by fafnir
Fri Nov 19, 2021 2:09 pm
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One of them being, presumably, that if the samples - for the agreeableness trait in particular - aren't at least " approximately " normal then it's more difficult to justify much in the way of inferences from the sample to the population. Not sure what you are claiming about them relies on referenc...
by fafnir
Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:06 am
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FFS, I am not saying those samples are normal. I'm saying that they're a close enough approximation to make the argument that the relevant populations are more or less normal themselves. Try looking at what John D. was saying as, in his better moments, he's not saying much that's different from wha...
by fafnir
Fri Nov 19, 2021 12:48 am
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One of them being, presumably, that if the samples - for the agreeableness trait in particular - aren't at least " approximately " normal then it's more difficult to justify much in the way of inferences from the sample to the population. Not sure what you are claiming about them relies on referenc...
by fafnir
Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:30 pm
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FFS, I am not saying those samples are normal. I'm saying that they're a close enough approximation to make the argument that the relevant populations are more or less normal themselves. Try looking at what John D. was saying as, in his better moments, he's not saying much that's different from wha...
by fafnir
Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:26 pm
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Do you understand what it means to say that a distribution curve is normal? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution It has a particular equation that describes it. The properties of which justify particular conclusions. Do those ones on agreeableness for "males" and "females" have more or...
by fafnir
Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:48 pm
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The only thing you would apparently allow me to say is that the distribution curves describe only the samples on which they're based. Nonsense. You were talking about where the peaks were, what shape the distributions were, that the distribution for the men's heights was to the right of the women's...
by fafnir
Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:52 pm
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FFS, I'm not "pretending those curves (& distributions) are normally distributed". I'm saying that they're a sufficiently close approximation to normal distributions to make reasonable inferences about the entire populations. There ARE some reasons for measuring populations, although some are maybe...
by fafnir
Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:01 am
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Do you yourself accept those differences - on average - or not? Try thinking about the "joint probability distributions" I've provided for both heights and "agreeableness"; let me know if you need some assistance to get over those hurdles ... ;) As we both know, they almost certainly count the infe...
by fafnir
Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:57 am
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Generally speaking, height is in fact a bimodal distribution. What are normal distributions - more or less - are those for males and females as separate sets of measurements. How much more or less? I go back to John D's statement. The curve isn't normal, it's "sort of bell shaped". Often we care so...
by fafnir
Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:55 pm
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Generally speaking, height is in fact a bimodal distribution. What are normal distributions - more or less - are those for males and females as separate sets of measurements. How much more or less? I go back to John D's statement. The curve isn't normal, it's "sort of bell shaped". Often we care so...
by fafnir
Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:45 am
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Service Dog wrote: Then I heard some podcast talk about the mystery of average IQ-- among certain groups-- increasing over a short period (decades).
There is the Flynn effect of course in there as well. Supposedly that has now reversed and IQ in the west is falling.
by fafnir
Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:03 am
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I imagine that height is sort of normally distributed... but it is a broad approximation. I suspect we can intuit it is going to be a bad one. Is the process that produces the height distribution the kind of process that would produce a normal distribution, even around the average? If we look at th...
by fafnir
Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:13 am
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Is height normally distributed, or is a normal distribution a good enough approximation that it not being a normal distribution mostly doesn't matter? It seems intuitively that it wouldn't actually be normal.
by fafnir
Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:20 pm
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Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Judge accepted defense argument that the hunting sections did not apply.
Wow! That is good news. Twitter will be disappointed. He didn't have an illegal firearm at all. Bang go a million angry Tweets.
by fafnir
Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:15 pm
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The trick the defence pulled off on the gun possession charge was absolutely brilliant and the prosecution never saw it coming. What was the trick? The only elements of the possession charge which are in evidence are: a) the fact that Kyle Rittenhouse was in possession of the gun. b) the length of ...
by fafnir
Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:13 pm
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Is the gun not the length the police witness said it was? Anyway, I thought there was a bunch of ambiguously written stuff in the statute about hunting. Of course it is. I'm not a lawyer, but from what I understand you can't make an argument based on facts not in evidence. The defence made sure tha...
by fafnir
Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:56 pm
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The trick the defence pulled off on the gun possession charge was absolutely brilliant and the prosecution never saw it coming. What was the trick? The other elements of the crime can not be argued because they are not in evidence-so the only basis the question can be argued is on the length of the...
by fafnir
Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:36 am
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John D wrote: What... I think Gilbert Gottfried would make for a great General George Patton. Same voice.... same size.... same attitude....
You made me think of this from Crowder's Rittenhouse stream:

by fafnir
Fri Nov 12, 2021 1:32 pm
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Took people's word for it that the media have been horribly dishonest about Rittenhouse but it didn't prepare me for what I've seen now that I'm paying attention. As far as the lefties are concerned Rittenhouse is a malicious little murderer being coddled by a bad judge and they're disgusted with h...
by fafnir
Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:48 am
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My 2 cents as spectator with no consequential skin in the game is that murder was already off the table, at least with the judge, which leaves lesser charges. IMO giving Binger a run at Kyle needlessly exposed him to needling questions about why he put himself in danger with a gun. An experienced p...
by fafnir
Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:23 am
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Mr Keating insisted China was likely to lead as world hegemon relatively peacefully providing the US made no “ill-conceived” attempts to change the status of Taiwan. “China is not about turning over the existing world order, it only wants to reform it,” he said. Channelling Neville Chamberlain there.
by fafnir
Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:23 pm
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It's just natural to block out those lower down the hierarchy because they simply aren't relevant to your life. Is it natural, or is it that the types of people who are attracted to the limelight, and who have the drive, monomania and whatever else is required to make it naturally block these peopl...
by fafnir
Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:29 am
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It's just natural to block out those lower down the hierarchy because they simply aren't relevant to your life. Is it natural, or is it that the types of people who are attracted to the limelight, and who have the drive, monomania and whatever else is required to make it naturally block these peopl...
by fafnir
Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:13 am
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My philosophy is that however strongly I feel about tradition, the enlightenment, citizenship, politics, social mores and all those kinds of things it doesn't mean I'm right in every respect. Woke ideology is destructive, undoubtedly true, but that doesn't mean that it is somehow objectively wrong ...
by fafnir
Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:50 am
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This feels like it's talking about today and Defund the Police: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7TT4jnnWys So.... part of what caused the increase in crime in the 70s and 80s is public permissiveness of criminal behavior. Criminals can be thought of as victims themselves and so they must be quickl...
by fafnir
Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:15 am
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This feels like it's talking about today and Defund the Police: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7TT4jnnWys So.... part of what caused the increase in crime in the 70s and 80s is public permissiveness of criminal behavior. Criminals can be thought of as victims themselves and so they must be quickl...
by fafnir
Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:57 pm
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This feels like it's talking about today and Defund the Police:
by fafnir
Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:03 am
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I may watch it now. I don't know. I'm afraid that seeing more of it will detract from the my isolated enjoyment of Ann Hathaway's performance. Thanks for the detailed rebuttal. Really great and worth pondering. A few points here... Valjean did sin to help others. He robbed in order to feed his sist...
by fafnir
Sun Nov 07, 2021 8:51 am
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fafnir wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:
Steersman wrote: Probably why "Hunny Bunny" - among many other women - wound up blocking me on Twitter
How do you know that they were women?
How do we know that there are women?
How do we know women?
by fafnir
Sun Nov 07, 2021 8:51 am
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I saw Les Misérables in London tonight for the first time in 20 years. I've got children now, and the world has changed. It struck me very differently. So... my favorite musical.... even though it may not really be a musical since it has no dancing (except the ballroom scene). So... maybe it is mor...
by fafnir
Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:28 am
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MarcusAu wrote:
Steersman wrote: Probably why "Hunny Bunny" - among many other women - wound up blocking me on Twitter
How do you know that they were women?
How do we know that there are women?
by fafnir
Sat Nov 06, 2021 6:50 pm
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I saw Les Misérables in London tonight for the first time in 20 years. I've got children now, and the world has changed. It struck me very differently. The Covid measures were funny, I don't remember any questions when I booked the tickets. When we got there they were all "Papiere bitte". Mrs Fafnir...
by fafnir
Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:44 am
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I think that a large portion of the female population walks-around acting-out, they don't know how to 'hang'-- by any rules except their own. Guy Culture has been reduced from a necessary thing for them to interact-with... to a language they don't-think they need to learn. It feels like this is a d...
by fafnir
Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:00 am
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ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 8:57 am
The only way to win this game is not to play. Spit the hook now!
You may have to organize an intervention.
by fafnir
Wed Nov 03, 2021 6:06 am
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The first hypothesis which jumps into my head-- is that the players aren't pursuing "wealth creating". They've already obtained the wealth/power-- now they're trying to exercise it. Like a guy who rises from laborer to tycoon-- but his grandkids spend the fortune on cat sanctuaries & lavish hallowe...
by fafnir
Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:19 am
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<snip> But those other traits are "accidental" ones; they're not essential for an organism to qualify as females and males, at least as those categories are currently defined. See: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/essential-accidental/ Nobody in their right mind says that post menopausal women ar...
by fafnir
Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:51 pm
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"why there's some value in clearly differentiating between the biological and the psychological"
"biologically male", "psychologically male". Done. I didn't need to change the meaning of any commonly used words.
by fafnir
Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:50 pm
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"Why there's some value in trying to define the term as accurately as possible" That's just the point. They aren't trying to define anything as accurately as possible. They are defining these things to be politically useful. I don't give a tuppenny jizz what definition some maoist feminist sociologi...
by fafnir
Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:42 pm
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<snip> That "regard", that perception of "shared characteristics", exists only in our minds - it's not a tangible trait or property shared or possessed by any of the members of the category in question. For one example, "female" is defined as a category, the "shared characteristic" consisting of "p...
by fafnir
Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:23 pm
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As for gender, there's a developing consensus that sex and gender are entirely different concepts I kind of feel this should read "developing consensus *to* define sex and gender *as* entirely different concepts". It's not as if these are physically distinct categories in the world that were discov...
by fafnir
Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:38 am
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As for gender, there's a developing consensus that sex and gender are entirely different concepts I kind of feel this should read "developing consensus *to* define sex and gender *as* entirely different concepts". It's not as if these are physically distinct categories in the world that were discov...
by fafnir
Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:50 pm
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Looking at the documents filed for the case and timing of everything.... they weren't done arguing about jurisdiction until 2021. This document appears to have more information: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.azd.1206440/gov.uscourts.azd.1206440.28.0.pdf It looks like once you ...
by fafnir
Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:13 pm
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I think the truth is pretty-close to your summary. I don't know if Trump ultimately 'lost in court' -- but I do know the Justice Department investigated the handling of kids-at-the-border & issued a report in January 2021-- finding that the kids were not provided with the proper standard of care. W...
by fafnir
Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:09 pm
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OK.... reading up on it..... you can effectively double the money minimum... since it's $450k for the emotional distress of the child and $450k for the parent. The ACLU side of the case is here: https://www.aclu.org/legal-document/aiil-v-sessions-complaint It looks to have been filed on 10/03/19. Ob...
by fafnir
Fri Oct 29, 2021 12:58 pm
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My understanding is that the children in question are ones whose parents were deported. I admit to having been quite lazy in accepting the right's narrative that Trump was just continuing the Obama kids in cages policy but I think it quite likely, from the little I've read, that Trump split familie...
by fafnir
Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:48 am
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Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

I would imagine for $450k there is not going to be any shortage of people being willing to claim them in return for having their hurt feelings compensated.
by fafnir
Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:14 am
Forum: Periodic Table of Swearing - The Undead Thread
Topic: Steerzing in a New Direction...
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Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

When do Biden and Psaki crack smiles and say "just kidding, you didn't think we were serious"? That has to be coming soon, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffmhcph_oPs [/spoil] Perhaps judgement was a bit hasty on this one. It's possible that this may only apply to the families that were rule...