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Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Mon Jul 04, 2022 12:25 pm

John D wrote: Five38 is useless now.
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:46 am
Silver sold 538 to ESPN, which long ago went full woketard.
Ok... so Matt-the-horse and John-from-the-choir both agree... but I'm gonna keep beating & preaching...

Yesterday-- I posted this screenshot from fivethirtyeight, which sez "we reserve the right" to omit a certain television network's BADWRONGTHINK from their data sample.



I hovered my cursor over that hotlink, to see WTF fivethirtyeight was talking-about.

The link leads to a Washington Post "analysis" [opinion piece] by columnist Philip Bump.

I read the headline, and the first few sentences... and I assumed five38 & WaPo were talking-about Fox News. I was wrong! :oops:

Nate Silver & fivethirtyeight/ABC News know damn-well that most people won't click that link, or read farther than I-did.
Most readers will assume Fox News is The Entity Which Shall Not Be Named.
Actually... the banned pollster network is OAN. "One America News".

This Op-Ed is from June 2020, which gives us the benefit of hindsight, to fact-check Philip Bump's claims... claims still cited-as-truth by fivethirtyeight in 2022.
By "Philip Bump
June 15, 2020 at 1:17 p.m. UTC
President Trump’s fury was palpable last week after CNN released a poll that showed him trailing in his reelection bid by 14 points. He lashed out on Twitter and took the unusual step of threatening a lawsuit over the result, a move that might be called dubious in the same way that LeBron James might be called athletic. It is — but that’s underselling the point a bit."

Happily for the president, there exists an ecosystem of questionable actors willing to assuage whatever concerns might emerge. His repeated excoriations against “fake news” have made clear to his supporters that any reporting that may be in any way construed as negative should be considered untrue. That puts pressure on outlets such as Fox News that, although certainly more generous to Trump than other outlets, still at times include voices other than the most sycophantic.
20/20 Hindsight Fact-check: Trump did lose not the popular vote by "14 points". Even those who accept the 2020 vote-count as Totally Kosher... put the gap at 4, not 14. Trump was right about the CNN polls' inaccuracy. It was FAKE NEWS.

WaPo continues...
Last week, we reported that OAN’s core mission of supporting Trump had been hampered by some bad news: a poll of Florida that the company’s chief executive pledged would offer good news for the president instead showed him in a tie with former vice president Joe Biden, the presumptive Democratic nominee, in the state. This state, remember, is one Trump won four years ago and is also his newly adopted home.

This was not positive news for Trump, despite the network’s initial effort to cast it as such. And because bad news is fake news, it got deep-sixed, the network’s report erased from its website and the video removed from YouTube.
That was not the end of the story, however. While reporting on another story, The Post’s Aaron Blake noticed that the network had created a new report based on the same poll conducted by Gravis Marketing — one that framed the same numbers in a significantly different way.
“In a hypothetical matchup,” host Patrick Hussion reported, “when [voters] in Florida were asked, ‘If you had to choose a candidate right now, for whom would you vote?’ the OAN-Gravis poll shows the president with a 53 to 47 percent lead over former V.P. Joe Biden there in the Sunshine State.”
....
Trump won Florida by a little more than one point in 2016, so this would reflect a significant improvement.
But Hussion left out a very important bit of context for those numbers: The people being forced to choose a candidate were people who already had indicated that they were undecided in the race.
Ok... so WaPo & five38 were calling Florida as "a tie" or "a little more than one percent" in Trump's favor.

And OAN... using methodology which WaPo&five38 decree to be beyond-the-pale... gave this prediction:



well... which pollster was closer to the bullseye?

20/20 Hindsight Fact-Check:


WaPo offers more "proof" of OAN's lack of integrity:
"The report that was removed from OAN’s website last week made clear (unintentionally) that there were two questions in a row. The first, Question 2, asked whom respondents would support. The second, Question 3, forced those who were undecided to pick a candidate.
....
Normally, pollsters report the results of questions like Question 2: For whom would you vote if the election were today? That’s why most polls have results in which support for the two candidates doesn’t add up to 100 percent; they include a “not sure/not decided” option."
Uh, okay, got it: a pollster must Explicitly Show the 'undecided' in their results, and parse them from those who Do have an opinion.

Except, now, in 2022, fivethirtyeight's COMPETITOR, Civiqs, DOES include the 'undecided', yet fivethirtyeight fails to meet Their Own standard:
https://media.patriots.win/post/wyTAMi4CgkwT.png


WaPo continues:
If Trump has a six-point lead among those undecided voters forced to pick a candidate, then Biden must have an advantage among the other group in order for the combined result to be a tie.
"must" ? Well... either that's true, or it's not. And... 20/20 Hindsight tells us... it was FALSE. But WaPo builds on that false assumption:
It’s hard to overstate how dishonest this was. Imagine if you asked 20 people what kind of ice cream they wanted. Nine pick vanilla and seven pick chocolate. Four people have no opinion — maybe simply because they like both — but you make them pick. Three say they would take chocolate if they had to choose one or the other, while the fourth picks vanilla.
The original report claimed that vanilla and chocolate were equally popular. The new OAN headline is essentially that people forced to pick an ice cream flavor pick chocolate by a 3-to-1 margin.
Except the gap in Florida between Biden & Trump was NEVER "nine" to "seven" in Biden's favor. That was FAKE NEWS from other polls.
ONLY OAN got it right!
And the crucial undecided voters DID break heavily in Trump's favor... Just As OAN predicted!

WaPo (& 538) dig their own grave deeper:
"OAN’s deceptive presentation of the poll doesn’t end with cherry-picking a result that casts the president in the most favorable light. Hussion also reported on how Floridians view the candidates’ ability to handle the economy.
“Now, when it comes to the economy, the poll also shows Florida voters are decisively more confident in President Trump’s economic policies than the direction Biden would go in if he were elected,” Hussion said. “The president pulls in nearly 50 percent of the respondents compared to Biden’s 44 percent.”

This is ... a five-point difference. This is not only not a demonstration of “decisively more confidence,” it’s almost certainly not even statistically significant. It’s also extremely bad news for Trump if the factor on which he’s predicating his reelection — his ability to keep the economy strong — has him under 50 percent against Biden in a state he needs to win."
Waitaminute. Hang on. Whut? Repeat that bit: "It’s also extremely bad news for Trump if the factor on which he’s predicating his reelection ... has him under 50 percent against Biden in a state he needs to win" That makes no sense. A 5 point win is a 5 point win. Who cares if Trump beat Biden 49 to 44? Or 51 to 46? Either way... Biden loses by 5. Especially-since OAN showed-their-work... that Trump ALSO led among the undecided WITHIN that 5-point gap.

I'll give them the last word. Here's how WaPo wraps-up their retarded takedown of Trump/OAN:
"This is fake news, folks. It’s invented, cherry-picked and deceptively framed information meant not to convey actual information but, instead, to placate the president and his supporters. It is to news what your mom’s evaluation of your performance in your Little League game was — reassuring but hardly objective. And not only is this report misleading and unethical, it makes very clear why OAN removed the initial report last week: It wasn’t positive enough for Trump. This one is, even if it’s dishonest, so it’s still online.

Yet somehow I am skeptical that Trump will reject OAN as an untrustworthy news source."

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Steersman » Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:30 am

Lsuoma wrote: And I missed it a couple of days ago - Happy 10th Birthday to the Pit!
Congrats and kudos all around - particularly to the blog host for keeping things going through thick and thin.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:14 am

Lsuoma wrote: And I missed it a couple of days ago - Happy 10th Birthday to the Pit!
One day later... Jul 04, 2012... the Large Hadron Collider at CERN first isolated the Higgs boson "God Particle".

The timeline of this Reality has been scrambled goofy ever-since. As documented by our best men-- scientists!-- such as Dr. Jey McCreight, with his seminal/fluid 'Boobquake' experiment, and P.Z. Myers... parsing the nature of duality with those immortal words: "You, right there, purple shirt, you'll do. Come on up. Of course, there could be higher stakes. We could say also, y'know, for instance, if I win this hand, I get to kill and eat you. Yes, that's one possibility. Another thing is, if you win the hand, then I would have to submit and have sex with you. You win! I will give you my hotel room number. We'll do the sex thing later. Ok, go back to your seat. I've got to call you back for the sex part later."
in Half the multiverses, CERN is to blame. In the other Half... it was all the Pyt's fault.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Lsuoma » Mon Jul 04, 2022 8:48 am

And I missed it a couple of days ago - Happy 10th Birthday to the Pit!

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Keating » Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:28 am

Lsuoma wrote: My prediction for 2024? Trump vs. Clinton.
I think this would prove God exists, and he is has found a new way to punish us, as he promised not to flood the Earth again.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Bhurzum » Mon Jul 04, 2022 1:45 am

Lsuoma wrote: I wouldn't mind a wild ride with Tulsi.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Lsuoma » Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:29 pm

I wouldn't mind a wild ride with Tulsi.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Jul 03, 2022 5:20 pm

When they told him, 'make it to America and you'll go far', he didn't think it meant this

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022 ... ar-border/

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:01 pm

Service Dog wrote: and it occurred to me that Biden will abdicate his throne
4 out 5 doctors agree. Dr. Jill does not.

Whoever the fuck is actually running this country does not. So long as she's VP, they can box Kamala, but not if she's in the Oval Office.


Newscum v. DeSantis v. Tulsi v. Trump. A four-way wild ride.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:01 pm

I was squatting in the excremeditation chamber...

and it occurred to me that Biden will abdicate his throne,

so he can pat himself on the back-- for humbly stepping-aside... to coronate the Historic First Female Black Asshole President.

It matches his self-image... as the Cool Guy who led a protest on behalf of a black guy on his high school football team, saved little black children from drowning, his half-year stint as a public defender for wayward negroes, his huwite knighting of Anita Hill, his noble jailbreak arrest of Nelson Mandela, his wise-old-uncle guidance of hapless young 'Barack', his fatherly support of troubled young Hunter, the Black Vagina Game Show he arranged to select VP Kamala-- as well as Justice Kuntanji Affirmative-Action Jackson. It matches his penchant for Executive Orders and Disregarding Supreme Court Rulings-- and all-sorts of shortcuts against the normal order of operation.

And he has even received actual applause & admiration... from significant swaths of the public... for his noblesse obligé stunts. So he'll do it again.

It's kind-of a win-win. Either Kamala will then win an election... and cement her "Historic First" status... or she'll blow it/ leaving a bitter dissatisfaction that vaginas have been 'robbed' and 'deserve' a _real_ woman president ASAP.

Kamala vs. Trump would be a freakshow.

But she'll have to survive her own primary, first. Tulsi would pop to mind as a contender-- just because everybody can see the fun Catfight potential. But I don't think the Dem bosses are ready to eat that-much crow & accept Tulsi to clean house.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:07 pm

Service Dog wrote: You guys forgot to "THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX"

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:13 am

You guys forgot to "THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX" (obvs.)

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Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:42 am

Newscum v. DeSantis

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Lsuoma » Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:25 am

My prediction for 2024? Trump vs. Clinton.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by John D » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:51 am

Service Dog wrote:
John D wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:47 am
Q: Does anyone think gas station owners can cut prices?
A: Flint Michigan's blue-checkmark-approved TV news anchor Dave Bondy.

https://media.patriots.win/post/mZs9yFHzusVN.jpeg
I want to be Greg's friend... haha.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:46 am

Nate Silver's entire reputation is based on remembering the hits and forgetting the misses. His PECOTA prediction model was complete garbage. When baseball realized that, Silver moved to politics and made a new name for himself relying on the Obama campaign's internal polling -- which, unlike public polling, included all the seniles & retards in managed care who would be voting for Obama.

Silver sold 538 to ESPN, which long ago went full woketard.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:42 am

John D wrote: It is almost unbelievable. Does anyone think gas station owners can cut prices? WTF. This guy is literally a retard.
Gas stations have even narrower profit margins than restaurants.

Guess Putin's Price Hike™ was not testing well in focus groups.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by John D » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:14 am

Five38 is useless now. Nate Silver and Five38 had a shining moment in the Obama second term run. Nate fucking nailed that election. But, just like any modeling, the system is past its prime. Five38 has no purpose now... they suck... I don't watch now.

My dad made a shit ton of money using technical investing. He followed moving averages of stock prices and he moved his money around based on market moving averages. This was very effective in the 2000s (or somewhere in that time frame). But, now the market is smart to those averages and the price of stocks already discounts this technique. Following moving averages is now a useless practice. The markets got smart to them. Perhaps one day this technique will again become affective... but for now they are dead.

Five38 had the same trouble. Once all the polling companies found out what Silver was doing they changed up everything. I actually think that the polling companies have mostly become tools of the political parties. They get funding to make a poll come out a certain way. They do not get paid to make an honest poll. Silver also does not get paid to be honest at this point. He can no longer accurately predict an election based on polling because the polls are almost completely biased. He can no longer accurately predict the error in polls because they are so wildly biased. The only way he can make money is if he sells out... and that is what he did. His prediction techniques no longer work. The only way he can make money is if he becomes a political hack... just like everyone else.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:06 am

John D wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:47 am
Q: Does anyone think gas station owners can cut prices?
A: Flint Michigan's blue-checkmark-approved TV news anchor Dave Bondy.

https://media.patriots.win/post/mZs9yFHzusVN.jpeg

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:01 am

We perform matched case-control studies and find increased risks of myocarditis and pericarditis during the first week following vaccination, and particularly after the second dose.... The largest associations are observed for myocarditis following mRNA-1273 vaccination in persons aged 18 to 24 years. Estimates of excess cases attributable to vaccination also reveal a substantial burden of both myocarditis and pericarditis across other age groups and in both males and females.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-31401-5.pdf

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by John D » Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:47 am

It is almost unbelievable. Does anyone think gas station owners can cut prices? WTF. This guy is literally a retard.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by John D » Sun Jul 03, 2022 5:54 am

Watching "My Little Pony" videos with my 5 year old niece. We took her swimming yesterday and took her to a museum the day before. Little kids crack me up and we are having a great time. Coloring... and writing stories... and splashing each other in the pool. Haha.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Sun Jul 03, 2022 5:27 am

.
How the Barbecue Sauce is Made

Last week I saw a poll from CIVIQS, with low ratings for Biden. Even-lower than fivethirtyeight's numbers.

I was not familiar with CIVIQS, so I searched fivethirtyeight, to see if fivethirtyeight considers CIVIQS reputable.
In 2020, fivethirtyeight did report results from CIVIQS, giving CIVIQS a "B-minus" letter grade.

So then, I checked fivethirtyeight's Joe Biden Popularity page--
to see whether fivethirtyeight incorporates-in-their-model... "B-minus" polls.
Indeed they do:
Ipsos B-,
AP-NORC [no grade],
McLaughlin & Assoc. C/D,
NewsNation [no grade],
American Research Group C+,
Echelon Insights B/C,
Redfield & Wilton Strategies B/C,
Navigator Research B/C,
Léger B/C,
SurveyMonkey C.
(those were all used by fivethirtyeight... since June 1, 2022).

And so-- I waited & watched-- to see if fivethirtyeight would incorporate CIVIQS' very-low Joe Biden numbers... into fivethirtyeight's model.
Either the low CIVIQS number would bring-down Biden's overall 'average' in five38's model...
or maybe five38's other sources would report equally-low numbers.

or maybe five38 would omit CIVIQS' result... which would call into question fivethirtyeight's methodology.
The CIVIQS poll never appeared in five38's model.

~and so...~

Today I saw another CIVIQs poll. Again, CIVIQS' numbers for Joe Biden's popularity... are even-lower than fivethirtyeight's.

CIVIQS:


fivethirtyeight:


8% of People who told CIVIQs they neither Approve nor Disapprove of Biden...

are counted as "Approve" by fivethirtyeight.
fishy?


And so I looked-into fivethirtyeight's methodology. fivethirtyeight sez:
However, there are some types of polls we don’t include, such as:
...
Polls like Civiqs ... produced using MRP (short for “multilevel regression with poststratification”), a modeling technique that produces estimates based on survey interviews that are then used to calculate probabilities; these probabilities are then projected onto the composition of the population in question. While this is a valid technique for understanding public opinion data, we exclude them because we consider them more like models than individual polls. (As an analogy, we think of this as using someone else’s barbecue sauce as an ingredient in your own barbecue sauce.)
I understand why Averaging a list of Averages can produce unreliable single-result. A model based on other models could suffer the same flaw. But that's not-quite what fivethirtyeight is saying, here. The 'modeling' element in CIVIQS's poll isn't 'a model' (a poll of polls) in the same sense as fivethirtyeight. CIVIQs is merely using a statistical model to adjust their OWN raw survey-group replies-- to better-match the actual composition of the population as-a-whole. To use fivethirtyeight's own metaphor... CIVIQs already put "barbecue sauce" on the numbers. And so fivethirtyeight refuses to serve those numbers to the public-- because fivethirtyeight would insist-on adding their own "barbecue sauce" too.

The irony of this-- and the flaw in fivethirtyeight's analogy-- is that fivethirtyeight's signature claim--
is that fivethirtyeight's Mix Of All The Other Barbecue Sauces is Better Than any individual sauce.

I'm not saying fivethirtyeight shouldn't exclude CIVIQS. They should. They're doing the right thing by considering CIVIQS a rival-equal in the marketplace. But... by the SAME exclusionary logic... fivethirtyeight would have-to exclude-from-their-model any pollster which puts any statistical "sauce" on their poll. And... I'm pretty sure... that's ALL OF THEM. They all finesse their surveys... at some level... such as deciding who-to-poll... in an attempt to make their sample-groups 'reflect' the larger population. fivethirtyeight doesn't deny this. They write:

I don't think this shatters fivethirtyeight's credibility. I do think it shows cracks. And they're trying to 'patch' the problem, rather than admit their model runs on bad data.

~and then...~

Lastly my perusal of fivethirtyeight's fine-print... uncovered this:



What's that about?



Who? Whut? How must a pollster transgress fivethirtyeight's "pillars of philosophy", to be excluded??



fivethirtyeight doesn't BAN blatantly partisan polls. They merely put a "flag" symbol next to them:


So... who on earth... was soooo bad that they fell-outside these lenient rules?

Fuck you fivethirtyeight. You're so cunty & cutesy... that you Don't Even Name the ONE organization you banned. You "Voldemort"... They Who Shall Not Be Named... behind a link... to the fucking biased FAKE NEWS Washington Post.




But-- here's the thing-- back when Fox News was banned for being 'partisan'-- Fox said Trump was neck-in-neck with Biden.
While fivethirtyeight and ABC News and all the other polls said...



Put aside your whether you agree with the ideology of Fox News. Fox's polls were more ACCURATE.

fivethirtyeight has abandoned their mission & become the thing they once despised.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by free thoughtpolice » Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:34 pm

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Not those mosquitoes for sure.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:21 pm

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by fuzzy » Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:07 pm

who can resist a set of great tits?

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Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:31 am

Your psychopathic governor just rammed through legislation in defiance of Bruen:

https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/07/n ... gislation/

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Sat Jul 02, 2022 1:55 am

At 83 cents an egg-- I can eliminate the middle-hen... toss 2 quarters, 3 nickels, & 8 pennies out the window... and still save a dime.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:52 pm

I get eggs for free. Anyone who has chickens always ends up with way more eggs than they know what to do with.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:27 pm

Fucking inflation. The gangstas in the shitty Honda Accord downstairs... with a fucking home stereo speaker set-up & blasting on the sidewalk...

cost me $6.99÷12

for that vegan-grain pasture-raised egg out the window.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:20 pm

.

In the immediate wake of Roe v Wade being struck-down...

& Donald Trump's attempted-murder of a Secret Service agent...


Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight posted a 40 minute podcast, in which Silver speculated about the "impact" that these two stunning events would have... boosting the Dems in the Midterms... and reversing Biden's unpopularity.

And now... poll results are IN... from the post-Roe, post-January6Hearing time period.

Every Day since the Roe decision-- Biden has polled worse than before the decision.
Every Day since free_thoughtpolice told us all to watch Cassidy Hutchinson testify-- Biden has polled worse than before.

fivethirtyeight's response? They REMOVED Biden's popularity rating from its home-- the upper-right 'Interactives' section of their frontpage. You gotta scroll-down now-- to see: Biden's DISapproval rating stands at 55.9%



In the podcast, Nate Silver discussed his model for predicting the Midterm Elections.

At the time (2 days ago)-- Silver was pleasantly-surprised to see that the GOP held only a 52-in-100 chance of winning the Senate.

Today... as fresh new poll-results pour in... the GOP's Senate odds have increased to 54-in-100.

--

Is that podcast episode worth listening-to? Nope.
I'm... not recommending it for its merits. Nor for the spectacle of its faults.
I found it mildly-informative to hear exactly-how Silver & his colleague Galen Druke consistently used wording which re-assures the NPR-listener point-of-view/ and marginalizes the Let's Go Brandon point of view. Their blindspots are obvious. But... not very interesting.


More interesting is this clip of focus-group-twat Frank Luntz... who CLAIMS TO BE Republican... teaching Democrats how to win-over the hearts & minds of Republican Voters:



--

As a book-end to the Luntz clip... I recommend Dave Smith's reaction-video... to comedienne Wanda Skyes complaining about Roe/Dobbs on Colbert's show. Smith dissects how oblivious the Progressive-Normies are.

First, Wanda:
https://youtu.be/_epeiYquxeA


Then, Dave.
https://youtu.be/xkDO-_txA4M?t=2179

Unfortunately... Dave's reacting in real-time. Although his points are great... it takes him 3x the time of Wanda's clip... to react.

So-- in summary:

Wanda begins with "I'm a gay black woman!" Then she says the Supreme Court ignored "Democracy" and "Majority rule".
Dave notes the discrepancy between touting her Minority status... and then saying The Majority should be In Charge.

Wanda says the leftwing coastal states-- have bigger economies & pay more taxes-- than the rural middle states.
Dave notes the irony of a Progressive Liberal Socialist advocating that the Rich Should Rule and the Poor Should Shut The Fuck Up.

When discussing 'gerrymandering' & 'redistricting'... fivethirtyeight sees the value in numerical minorities having their own little pockets where they are the majority... and can rule locally. but Progressives forget this concept, when the topic is Roe.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Steersman » Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:42 pm

fafnir wrote:
franc wrote: This is your world. Thanks feminism. Mull on this - I didn't think it would happen to me either.
2nd wave feminists I talk to are clueless about everything going wrong. They are mainly fixated on trans craziness, but obviously that's the tip of an iceberg and they somewhat acknowledge it. Their only answer is to blame men and the patriarchy. They hope that by deconstructing all gender roles, and getting men under control, all of the craziness will stop.
Yeah - feminism in general has to bear a substantial degree of responsibility for the whole transgender clusterfuck. You may wish to take a gander at "feminist" Kathleen Stock's take on that point:
What I do find interesting, though, is how things went so badly wrong: the causes, not the reasons. I’ve had a lot of time to think about this. One big question for this newsletter will be: how did mainstream feminism come to embrace what I’m calling the stupid story [transgenderism, self-identity?], so that many feminists ended up cancelling themselves out of politically effective existence? Effectively, the stupid story functions, for mainstream feminism, as a reductio ad absurdum: it reduces most of contemporary feminism to risible absurdity, necessitating urgent reflection on the tenability of prior commitments to explain how the absurdity ever got such a firm grip.
https://kathleenstock.substack.com/p/fe ... eboot-camp"

My underlining. But while Stock is to be commended for at least considering feminism's role in that clusterfuck, she too has her own "prior commitments" which I think precludes much in the way of any honest assessment of those causes and reasons. A great deal of "ideological bias" in the whole topic of sex and gender, including in Stock's arguments. As Marco Del Giudice of the University of New Mexico put it:
On a deeper level, the “patchwork” definition of sex used in the social sciences is purely descriptive and lacks a functional rationale. This contrasts sharply with how the sexes are defined in biology. From a biological standpoint, what distinguishes the males and females of a species is the size of their gametes: males produce small gametes (e.g., sperm), females produce large gametes (e.g., eggs; Kodric-Brown & Brown, 1987).
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... and_Gender

A profoundly fundamental and quite antithetical dichotomy between the definitions for the sexes "used in the social sciences" and in the biological ones. An antithesis that most people refuse to even consider, much less address, largely because of various "prior commitments" of a rather emotional and quite unscientific nature.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7123

by Steersman » Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:14 pm

franc wrote: A pointless effort to explain recent craziness.

A parable for the pudgy and comfortable.

Old man died. Ma is is a hopeless bipolar basket case compounded by being a narcissist idiot immune to any kind of reason.

<snip>

This is your world. Thanks feminism. Mull on this - I didn't think it would happen to me either.

<snip>

Cop pulls up my entire record on his phone without searching. How does this shit happen?

Because you let it. I am living in hell. Because of a phone call.
Sorry to hear you tale of woe franc - singer of sad songs and all that. Songs which are rather too ubiquitous for many less than edifying reasons - many of which come in under E.O. Wilson's "paleolithic emotions, medieval institutions, and god-like technology".

Something of a case-in-point is a recent story, posted here if I'm not mistaken, about an amusing tweet that claimed that many women were bipolar, but the trick was figuring whether that was bipolar or bisexual. Consternation and calls for cancellation from the torches and pitchforks crowd - including the Washington Post if I'm not mistaken.

As for "immune to reason", another sadly but remarkably prevalent state of affairs. You may know of Sagan's quip, in his Demon-Haunted World, to the effect that some 90-odd percent of us are scientifically illiterate. Something of another case in that point, a Substack post on "Thoroughly Dishonest Debate":
In the last six or seven years, getting oneself into an entrenched position during a debate has escalated to put it mildly. Whatever your poison, Brexit or Remain, Trump v Clinton, Trump v Biden, to lockdown or not lockdown, vaccine v not vaccine, it’s proved hard for many to find common ground within the debates themselves. Many refuse to see any deficiency on ‘their side’ of the argument or reason in the other. ….

And yet, it’s taken one of the most egregious and clear as day issues [transgenderism] and the reprehensible behaviour of its most vehement protagonists to take us to a whole new level of derangement, dishonesty, and hubris.
https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/a- ... est-debate

A portion of my last comment in that thread:
Cataleptic: "the most tedious and uninspiring debate"

Only because you have to be the most thoroughly intellectually dishonest and pigheaded interlocutor I've run across - in decades, although the religious come a close second; because you simply refuse to give much if any thought or consideration to the facts, figures, logical and philosophical principles, journals, biologists and philosophers I've quoted in exhaustive detail.

Though, sadly, you're only typical of the many on both sides of this "thoroughly dishonest debate".
https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/a- ... nt/7447695

As for "how this shit happens" - and on both sides of the political fence - another case or two in point relative to transgenderism:
It's a Terrifying Time to Have a Gender-Questioning Kid
Democrats and Republicans are both scary
https://lisaselindavis.substack.com/p/i ... e-a-gender
Less than a month later, after they’d informed the school and the doctor that they wouldn’t be allowing their daughter to socially or medically transition, a social worker from the Department of Family and Protective Services showed up at their door to tell them they were being investigated for abuse and neglect.
https://lisaselindavis.substack.com/p/t ... ace-gender

We really wouldn't have much of a civilization if we didn't endorse the rule of law as something of a first principle. But much of that has now been corrupted by both the tyranny of activist magistrates as well as by "the tyranny of the prevailing opinion and feeling" - emphasis on unscientific and unevidenced opinion and feeling. As Andrew Doyle put it:
The JK Rowling controversy has exposed one of the most chilling aspects of the woke ideology: the sheer certainty of its adherents.

It never occurs to these people that they might be wrong. That’s why they refuse to debate.

This is zealotry; it needs to be resisted.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7122

by Lsuoma » Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:28 am

Fucking hell, franc: sounds like you caught Mykeru's bad luck, level >9,000..

Sorry, mate.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7121

by Service Dog » Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:12 am

franc wrote: A parable for the pudgy and comfortable.
Well... you told it well & persuasively, if that's any consolation. So-- thank you for that.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7120

by Matt Cavanaugh » Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:13 am

John D wrote: SPOTTING A LIAR:

This is a tricky skill to learn. It involves several tests.

1) A liar will tell a story with as little detail as possible.

2) Liars will also tell a story differently every time they tell it.
Im Gegenteil, Genosse.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7119

by Matt Cavanaugh » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:38 am

I'm back at my ranch, four days after evacuating from the fire that ran parallel to me 1/4 mile away. Still here only by virtue of lucky winds.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7118

by fafnir » Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:10 am

franc wrote: This is your world. Thanks feminism. Mull on this - I didn't think it would happen to me either.
2nd wave feminists I talk to are clueless about everything going wrong. They are mainly fixated on trans craziness, but obviously that's the tip of an iceberg and they somewhat acknowledge it. Their only answer is to blame men and the patriarchy. They hope that by deconstructing all gender roles, and getting men under control, all of the craziness will stop.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7117

by John D » Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:47 am

Damn Franc.

No favors go unpunished.

Lots of people are content with testing our honor and duty. I sometimes feel abused. You have been abused.

Good luck navigating you current situation. I have many relatives that are a high risk to me and my security. So far I have kept the biggest risk people at a distance. They think I am a rich greedy bastard... and I am happy with that.

Taking care of my dying mother-in-law triggered my wife's fibromyalgia and depression in my opinion. I should have insisted that she go into a nursing home. She really fucked up our life. She was a psychotic evil cunt... and I spent three years taking care of her (and my wife took care of her more that I did). An abusive hag... but we took care of her because it was our "duty".

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7116

by franc » Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:23 am

A pointless effort to explain recent craziness.

A parable for the pudgy and comfortable.

Old man died. Ma is is a hopeless bipolar basket case compounded by being a narcissist idiot immune to any kind of reason. Things as simple as ordering a pizza become a psychodrama of pointless complication, confusion, needless stupidity and thoughts of wanting a handgun to blow my fucking brain out. This is the paradise that awaits suicide bombers. I live and breathe it 24x7.

She has endless medical complications. Scoliosis, chronic pain and eternal bladder infections which are not trivial - latter can cause complete paralysis and psychedelia where she sits and talks to her dead husband for hours on end. Landed her in hospital twice. Normal week is driving 300km to see various doctors.

I look after this fuckhead. It's been years now. An around the clock madhouse. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger as the cliche goes. Why do I do it and not commit her to a home? Basic ethics. She made me promise I wouldn't when I was a kid. I said I would honour that promise. And here I am. Imagine a world where all people would honour promises. Would look nothing like this.

Enter in-laws that think we are rich. We have a house we bought 50 years ago, in the middle of nowhere, down a goat track near a river, nothing but farms and forest, no electricity or water. It has since been "developed" and is now millionaires row for shitheads from the big cities.

Brother and wife have been holidaying here since forever. They see our "opulence". We eat well and enjoy. We live our life humbly, yet it is somehow splendid. Envy breeds malice. Not from my brother, but from his fat pig Jerry Springer grade trailer trash wife.

Everybody argues. Think of someone that doesn't. Had an awful week last November - had to go empty a flat we had near Sydney. Exhaustion. Cubic metres of garbage my Ma insisted we "needed". $1000 for a truck to bring it here and clutter our house to the point you can't move. Get shitfaced drunk because I need a coma. Mom starts a shit fit becasue I threw a broken microwave oven out. I call her a stupid cunt because I've had a gutful. Sister in-law calls... Ma tells her I'm an asshole...

Cunt then calls police and tells them I'm beating my mother to death.

Now some perspective - this was not concern for my mother's welfare. This was an opportunity. Get me arrested and removed from home. I'm not there, Ma has no carer. If she has no carer, they can throw her in an institution. Then somebody needs to control the assets...

This was an attempted robbery.

Does anyone care? Haw haw. Above is irrelevant. I am a domestic violence statistic. I am a person police use to bloat their "we're doing our best" statistics whilst doing fuck all to actually help anyone.

I was thrown out of my home incommunicado. Just clothes I had on and no wallet. Stranded. Police lock up. Photos, fingerprints, cavity search. All on the basis of an evidence free phone call. Stuck in a cheap motel.

China, yeah it happens. Western liberal democracy? ::cough::

This is your world. Thanks feminism. Mull on this - I didn't think it would happen to me either.

The story only gets better...

I had to front a court unwashed and stenchy. I had two options to contest the accusations - violence, threats, stalking (how you stalk someone in your own home is classic), abuse etc. - and remain stuck away from your home for months until case is heard. Or plead guilty on all charges and be allowed to return home... What a choice. Guilty your honour.

It still gets better...

Fat pig sister-in-law is now trying to groom my nephew that I "molested" him. I want to thank him for resisting her mind control. I also have cops on my doorstep randomly, lights on so the neighbors will know.

A week ago I went up the pub to play some poker, a 3 hour window of time I can escape reality each week. Saw a cop car pull up. Ignore it, walk in and buy a beer, assuming this is not a police state. Cop walks in and bee lines to me. "What's that?". A beer. "You know that violates your court order?". No, it's a beer. Cop pulls up my entire record on his phone without searching. How does this shit happen?

Because you let it. I am living in hell. Because of a phone call.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7115

by free thoughtpolice » Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:15 pm

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This the male. Not only does it have a missing toe, the tip of its lower beak is broken.
His mate is larger healthier and has no noticeable injuries.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7114

by fuzzy » Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:23 pm

I think Amber Heard threw a vodka bottle at it.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7113

by Lsuoma » Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:20 am

free thoughtpolice wrote: Eagle is missing a talon from its left foot. The long central toe is a stump.
DSCN1803 (2).JPG
Does it belong to Heather Mills?

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7112

by Service Dog » Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:40 am

Canada extends Covid border restrictions until at least October, continuing to ban unvaccinated foreigners seeking abortions

https://westphaliantimes.com/canada-ext ... oreigners/

...

"Delete your Period Tracker App-- Right Now! Big Tech and Big Government might dox your abortion! Or Red Flag your vagina!"

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/delete-p ... ccbe6b1a06

...

Tucker Carlson accused of 'Stochastic Terrorism'. With a decent dive into the history of the term

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2022/0 ... hew-vadum/

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7111

by Service Dog » Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:27 pm

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7110

by Service Dog » Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:20 pm

.
Largely overshadowed-by Supreme Court news, last Thursday...

Rep. Jim Jordan asked Birx-- under oath, before Congress-- if the government was lying or guessing when it told the public that people who received the vaccination couldn’t get COVID.

Dr. Birx testified that The Vax can not outperform natural immunity, since it is based-on natural immunity.

According to the link below, The ability to measure the effectiveness of the drugs is confounded by:
"One study in preprint finds that the spike protein, the part of the virus the tests detect, can remain in a recovered patient’s body for up to 12 months post-infection. How this could affect post-recovery testing in asymptomatic patients is unknown."
Jordan continued, “When the government told us that the vaccinated couldn’t transmit it, was that a lie or is it a guess? Or is it the same answer?” Remember when the anchors on CNN and members of the administration told you to “trust the science”? Do you recall all the accomplished clinicians and researchers who have been silenced and unpersoned over their COVID-19 comments? If so, Birx’s response may infuriate you. “I think it was hoped that the vaccine would work in that way,” she said.
"Birx was candid, saying that the United States should withhold funding from the WHO until needed reforms occur."


https://12ft.io/proxy?ref=&q=https://pj ... s-n1608251

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7109

by Service Dog » Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:43 pm

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: wonder if the timing has something to do with
or the abortion ruling, or... Biden's record-low poll #'s... or economy #'s... primary elections?

It certainly has a "what the fuck was that shit?!???" feel to it.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7108

by ThreeFlangedJavis » Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:30 pm

Service Dog wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:36 am

Have I correctly summarized this Emergency Surprise Session of the Bombshell Hearing, which Free_Thoughtpolice found so compelling?

By all means-- tell me if I left anything out.
You oversold the testimony. What we heard was the witness meticulously and precisely recounting words "to the effect of" that she'd overheard. That was when she wasn't recalling words "to the effect of" relayed to her by third parties. Some of those third parties disagree, but I guess we won't be hearing from them. The whole thing is a meaningless farce that holds no moral weight. It's a public trial with the defence barred from the court. So Trump can be a bit of a scumbag, we already knew that. This is obviously not about finding the truth about Jan 6th, it's about publicly assassinating the character of a political opponent, hardly a legitimate use of the power of the state. Surprise session indeed, wonder if the timing has something to do with Biden's border death toll jump.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7107

by Service Dog » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:05 pm

AMBER HEARD's LESBO GIRLFRIEND Eve Barlow, a doxxer & nut, who was banned from the Depp courtroom for providing False Evidence to the Judge...

and for sitting in the courtroom front-row live-tweeting messages passed-on-notes from Team Amber (against court rules)...

:dance: has weighed-in on JANUARY 6 STAR WITNESS Cassidy Hutchinson. :dance:

Singing a tune familiar to Slymepitters,

Eve says "MAGA freaks" don't #believe AMBER or CASSIDY-- because they... "hate women".

https://media.patriots.win/post/eO8N2enNuTUA.png


This video tells the tale of Eve Barlow getting-caught deceiving the Depp judge.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7106

by fafnir » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:30 pm

Did you guys know they'd run the Greta angle 20 years earlier:
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/twen ... -1.4022656

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7105

by Steersman » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:19 am

MarcusAu wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:36 pm
Steersman wrote: But I see that Boorman also directed Excalibur which I remember thinking was a "trippy examination" of that story.
I always found the Arthurian or Celtic myths to be more dreamlike (or if you like 'trippy') in tone than the more straight-laced Roman or Greek stories.

In other words - at least some credit might be due to the original writers than just the ones that worked on the movie.
I'd probably agree with "more dreamlike" but "more straight-laced" seems a stretch. Particularly given the quite human peccadillos exhibited by many Greek gods and goddesses. "Against boredom the gods themselves struggle in vain."

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7104

by Service Dog » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:51 am

free thoughtpolice wrote: Eagle is missing a talon from its left foot. The long central toe is a stump.

https://media.patriots.win/post/ovgK6mMNu1Aa.png




https://media.patriots.win/post/yq8pmWFGHHpu.jpeg

Serious, somber, professional, impartial Witness Hugs.



The Supreme Court have "de-legitimized themselves".


https://media.patriots.win/post/woJIPiJUrSNM.jpeg


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Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7103

by free thoughtpolice » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:43 am

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Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7102

by John D » Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:45 am

SPOTTING A LIAR:

This is a tricky skill to learn. It involves several tests.

1) A liar will tell a story with as little detail as possible. This avoids the chance of making a mistake. Why do I think Anti Hill is a liar?... It is partly because she provides no context to her story. She simple states sheepishly that Thomas said something about "Long Dong Silver". Well, if I heard anyone at work use the words "Long Dong Silver" I would remember the whole conversation. I would be able to recall all the circumstances. All the nuance and the location and the emotions of everyone in the room. Liars simplify the story. Hill did nothing to elaborate her story. Even if Thomas did say something about "Long Dong Silver" I am sure it would have been less offensive if Hill gave context. It is clear that she was not willing to say he compared himself to "Long Dong Silver". If this were the case she would have said so right away... this would have been the most important part of the story. But, she does not do this. She simply puts the words out there and allows other to fill in the worst possible situation. It is a lie of omission really... which is still a lie. A lie is when you intentionally deceive, it is not simply that act of saying false words.

2) Liars will also tell a story differently every time they tell it. They continue to search for a way to tell their lie that will make it more and more convincing. Anita Hill told different stories over days. She changed details and she added details. Her goal was to be believed... and her goal was not about telling the truth. If you want to test if someone is a liar you can simply talk about an event they described... and make claims about the story. You can even tell them something they did not say and test how they clarify. Normally they will make a mistake on the second and third telling. They will strangely add new and critical details or they will change prior assertions.

3) Liars will not answer questions. They will divert in order to maintain their story and avoid making mistakes. Their answer to questions will be simple and will lack the richness you would expect for someone telling a true story.

I don't really mind that most people are liars. What I do mind is that I am sometimes deceived. Shame on me really. Getting through life with others is a negotiation. I have all the power to control my actions.

Further... lying is different than trustworthiness. My wife almost never lies to me. But she is very very unreliable. So, I find that she is not trustworthy. She will tell me that she will take care of a task and then not do it... and finally get mad at me and tell me I need to do it. This is not a lie in a traditional sense. She is self-deceiving. She is making a promise that she cannot and will not keep. It is a kind of lie I suppose. I keep myself from being angry with her by assuming most of what she says will not happen. Of course, this does not promote my affection for her...but... well... I already told her she can leave any time she wants.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7101

by Service Dog » Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:07 am

free thoughtpolice wrote: Real conservatives are like The Lincoln Project types that you call slime.
Why do you hate real conservatives?


free thoughtpolice wrote: Real conservatives don't like Trump and are called Never Trumpers if they speak their mind about Trump
Lsuoma wrote: I bet Trump believes that she is giving this testimony because she was disappointed he didn't want to pork her... BTW, I'd do her.


.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7100

by Lsuoma » Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:59 am

free thoughtpolice wrote:
Do not watch this while on LSD. It may expand your consciousness.
I bet Trump believes that she is giving this testimony because she was disappointed he didn't want to pork here. Woman scorned, and all that. BTW, I'd do her. But not those BET moose.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7099

by MarcusAu » Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:37 am

Brive1987 wrote: A worthy channel.

Rather a high percentage of fascist content.

People seem to prefer the classic to the modern.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#7098

by Service Dog » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:36 am




...

https://archive.ph/wwo9Z


AOC: "...the President himself was willing to choke his own Secret Service."

Colbert: "You know, the detail about that I like was that he goes to grab the wheel and-- this is how long it's been since he's driven himself anywhere-- he thinks you can drive from the back seat."

AOC: "Yeah"

Colbert: "He forgot about the pedals!"

AOC: "Yes"

Colbert: "And all that."

AOC: "Yes yes yes"




Cassidy Hutchinson's exact testimony:

"The president said something to the effect of "I'm the f'ing president, take me up to the Capitol now", to which Bobby responded, "Sir, we have to go back to the West Wing." The president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. Mr. Engel grabbed his arm, said, "Sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. We're going back to the West Wing. We're not going to the Capitol." Mr. Trump then used his free hand to lunge towards Bobby Engel. And Mr. — when Mr. Ornato had recounted this story to me, he had motioned towards his clavicles."



:auto-layrubber: Donald Trump simultaneously seized control of the steering wheel with one hand, while choking a Secret Service Agent with his other hand. :auto-dirtbike:



YouTube puts a fact-checking box on this search, to confirm this 100% happened:


During a break in the hearing, CNN’s Jake Tapper called the testimony “devastating” and “a portrait of a president who was completely and utterly out of control and without question knew of the danger of his supporters.”

“This was obscene,” Tapper added.

CNN’s Jaime Gangel called the revelations “worse than we ever imagined.”

“He tried to strangle his secret service agent!” Jeffrey Toobin said moments later. “If someone had told you that 15 minutes before this hearing started, you would have said, you watch too many movies. I mean, the scene is so much worse and so much crazier than any of us thought, and the number of criminal offenses that Donald Trump may have committed over the course of January 6th just got a lot longer, including assault on a secret service agent.”

Chris Wallace was equally shocked by the alleged attack on Engel, saying the image of Trump lunging at his own Secret Service agent will be the biggest takeaway from the bombshell hearing, "What people are going to take away from this is that image inside The Beast which is what they call the presidential limousine, inside the beast when trump gets in, after the rally, and thinks he’s going to capitol hill to be with the marchers and his Secret Service — it’s not just any secret service person. It’s the head of the presidential detail, Bobby Engel, says, no, we’re going to the white house. The president of the united States, I assume he’s sitting in the backseat, reaches forward, tries to grab the steering wheel, and when the secret service head takes his hand away, he reaches with his other hand for the guy’s throat."

“That’s an image you’re never going to forget,” the former Fox News host said.

Cordero concluded by describing Trump’s behavior as “the acts of a tyrant.”

CNN Analysts Horrified By ‘Tyrant’ Trump: ‘He Tried to Strangle His Secret Service Agent!’
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-anchors ... ce-detail/

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